General Debate 22 February 2013

February 22nd, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    So all of you big brain boxes on here, why is this government bringing in a new criminal offence for partners of fraud of one kind (benefits), an area that costs $39 million per year, and not for partners of fraud of another kind (tax evasion), an area that costs around $1,000 million per year?

    One further question – do you think people don’t notice this double standard and the moral repugnancy that it places on National Party voters heads? Cunts

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  2. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Sign of the times: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/students-who-refuse-to-affirm-transgender-classmates-face-punishment.html

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  3. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    When Richard Prosser retracted and apologised he also said what he should have addressed – airport profiling.

    Associate Law Professor Colin Gavaghan does this in a D Scene column:

    Should we use security profiling at airports?

    One aspect of Prosser’s rambling polemic touched on something of genuine importance. The controversial suggestion terror suspects should be identified based on their appearance is being taken seriously in some quarters.

    He looks at problems with “Muslimness” profiling and looks at some of the possible methods that could be used.

    How far should we go towards a predictive model of law enforcement?

    If it works, the safety benefits could be massive – not only in preventing terrorist atrocities, but maybe also spree killings like Sandy Hook.

    It’s one thing, though, if the test just results in someone being subject to a minor inconvenience, like a brief search.

    It’s quite another if “false positives” result in completely innocent people being shot dead by jumpy police.

    In the middle we have a whole range of possibile inconveniences and restrictions to which people could be subject, based on predictions of what they might do.

    What Prosser should have addressed – airport profiling

    Of course a sensible look doesn’t get the same attention as blanket Muslim bashing.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,099 comments) says:

    Dear Peter Dunne

    Some of us would LOVE to fly around the country on Boeing 737′s, especially when the taxpayer is paying for it. You’re clearly flying in and out of Wellington too often, and you need to get out to regional airports more; it’ll help your case of Entitleitis.

    Best regards
    Keeping Stock

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/tweet-of-day-22-february-2013.html

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  5. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    I don’t want to mention the ‘E’ word today.

    Just like the media decision to minimise mentioning the names of the perpetrators of recent mass shootings, it seems to focus on the big ‘E’, simply gives it more power and attention than it deserves. Instead I will remember the victims, not just of that day, but those created by it since. Those who struggle for normality, fighting insurance companies, authorities, and nature itself, to try and re-gain some sort of balance.

    Two years on … what have we learned?

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  6. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Manolo – theres something deeply sad about this sort of thing. I dont know why there are people in the world who want this sort of thing. There seems to be some underlying move that we are all the same.
    I wonder what will happen when its decided that we will all dress the same and tghere will only be one type of car and everyone will watch exactly the same TV programme.

    The thought is awful

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  7. Lance (2,448 comments) says:

    @ vto

    Are you opposed to benefit fraud?

    Or do you think it should be excused due to moral equivalents of tax evaders?

    BTW labour were in for 3 terms, I guess you are saying they were “cunts” for doing nothing about spouses of tax dodgers.

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  8. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I would say it is fairly obvious vto is opposed to hypocrisy and double standards.

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  9. Judith (7,591 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (8,599) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 8:19 am

    I am not quite sure you have your diagnosis correct. Whilst the primary symptom seems to suggest Entitleitis there is the underlying and prolonged symptom of the desire to be ‘needed’ (by every and any government that will have him). I fear the Entitleitis may in fact be masking another deep seated condition.

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  10. Keeping Stock (10,099 comments) says:

    That’s quite on the cards Judith; perhaps some deep, dark personality disorder has manifested as Entitleitis. After all; who in their right mind would WANT to be Minister of Revenue? :D

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  11. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    From the Guardian – London is now 45% white anglosaxon.

    The rest are from – well what other word is there for it – Wogistan.

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  12. lilman (890 comments) says:

    Ok my neighbor of 20 plus years has the so called back of a 90 year old.
    In that time he has never worked,not even for a day,in a paid conventional job.
    He pig hunts ,chops firewood and paints houses as well as odd jobs around the community for cash.
    He has a Harley Daividson bike and camps frequently around New Zealand whilst claiming pay from ACC.
    He wife works as a nurse .
    ACC have investigated him 3 times but because he was informed of the investigation he has been able to lay low for the time in question.
    He has told me that he shouldnt have to work because he is staying out of jail and that the taxpayer is saving money if he wished to become a criminal.
    I told him that in my eyes he is was a criminal and poor example to his 3 kids,he laughed and said dont worry ,just keep working for both of us.
    Prosocute to fullest ,both of them,parasites

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  13. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    From the Pete George file titled hug a Muslim,here’s more of the diversity dividend in action in Britain.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/9877193/Suicide-bomb-gang-guilty-of-plotting-worst-ever-terror-attack-in-Britain.html

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  14. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    Lance, you didn’t answer the question. I would genuinely like to know the answer to it. Anyone?

    Such questions can be ignored but that doesn’t make them go away, it just makes them rot and fester…

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  15. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Our desire for independence has made us dependent. On automobiles. On cheap energy. On transfer payments between governments. On debt.

    Our expectation of plenty, and our expectation to pay only a portion of the full cost of growth, has led to a scarcity of resources. Our approach to land use now constrains us, growing our financial commitments at an alarming rate. It threatens real American prosperity with long-term economic stagnation and decline.

    We can do better.

    Announcing Strong Towns, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization focused on the root of these systemic problems: our land use patterns—the way we have designed our towns and neighborhoods.

    Strong Towns are viable places. Join us to make your community a Strong Town.
    http://www.strongtowns.org/

    Opposes Koch Bro International (as seen up national Party’s backside).

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  16. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Can we not have the c-bomb so early on in the day. After midday it’s morally acceptable if not compulsory.
    But before breakfast it’s like an aural J’D’s.
    Only acceptable on Boxing Day in the company of people who have been drinking all night.

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  17. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    barry (1,221) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Manolo – theres something deeply sad about this sort of thing.

    Yes deeply sad… of all the issues in the world, where people go to the toilet is right up there with third world hunger.

    I dont know why there are people in the world who want this sort of thing. There seems to be some underlying move that we are all the same.

    Quite the opposite in fact. Recognition of transgendered people recognizes that we are not all the same.

    I wonder what will happen when its decided that we will all dress the same and tghere will only be one type of car and everyone will watch exactly the same TV programme.

    The thought is awful

    Indeed… of course this paranoia only exists in your mind.

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  18. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    On the same day Mighty River (Mercury) declared their increase in annual profit I receive notice of new power prices from 1 April 2013.

    Daily charge 97c to 109c
    Variable controlled 16.16 to 17.25
    Night 10.82 to 20.25
    Day 20.05 to 21.820

    Just switched back to the company that they poached me from last year with their “very temporary cheaper power price” offer.

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  19. Colville (2,079 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8337031/Pressure-on-Government-over-bible-lessons

    Why would any rational parent want sky fairy BS taught in school time?

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  20. Ed Snack (1,737 comments) says:

    Perhaps vto it is reasonable to assume that benefit fraud requires the knowledge and cooperation of the partner, whereas for at least most tax fraud, a partner need have no awareness. That’s because the sort of benefit fraud being targeted is claiming a solo parent benefit while in a relationship; so the partner is actually complicit in the offense. The rule for taxation however is that each person’s tax affairs are separate, and one has no necessary relationship to know that someone is committing tax fraud.

    That said I’m sure that where a partner is complicit in tax fraud they will also be prosecuted for the offense. When it comes to prosecuting those most heinous crimes, depriving the government of revenue, there’s rarely any reluctance to charge someone.

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  21. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    He had also heard reports of children who had opted out of bible classes being forced to clean staff dishes or pick up rubbish during the bible lessons.

    I and a few classmates got sent to the library to relax and have fun. No complaints here. But it should be moved after school. If you want bible lessons during school then send your kid to a religious school.

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  22. Carlos (686 comments) says:

    Is Islam less evil than Nazism? I struggle to see it.

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  23. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    @Manolo

    Do you really think that a transgendered child would put themself through peer group exclusion, mental trauma, and stress simply as a ruse to look at other kids in a bathroom?

    Really?

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  24. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    Those “transgender” students don’t belong in school. The funny farm would be more appropriate.

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  25. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    hj (3,465) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Our desire for independence has made us dependent. On automobiles. On cheap energy. On transfer payments between governments. On debt.

    Our expectation of plenty, and our expectation to pay only a portion of the full cost of growth, has led to a scarcity of resources.

    And here I was thinking that scarcity was a result of finite resources…

    Our approach to land use now constrains us, growing our financial commitments at an alarming rate. It threatens real American prosperity with long-term economic stagnation and decline.

    We can do better.

    Announcing Strong Towns, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization focused on the root of these systemic problems: our land use patterns—the way we have designed our towns and neighborhoods.

    Strong Towns are viable places. Join us to make your community a Strong Town.

    I’m thirsty. When does the Kool-Aid get passed around?

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  26. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Housing Industry Ploy
    The HIA has last week released through the Centre for International Economics a report that attempts to gloss over economic theory and establish a dangerous meme. The CIE’s Taxation of the Housing Sector report was quoted prominently in the AFR.

    Despite the GFC being caused by a global property (read land) bubble, the proposed solution will encourage more not less speculative behaviour.

    The report concludes that all taxes on housing should be replaced with a new and broader GST. This is part of a global trend to switch taxes off wealth and place them on the under-educated poor with the regressive GST. A 10% tax on a $2 icy pole hits the disposable income of someone on $20,000 harder than a millionaire. It appears that such effects were not included in the modeling.
    But we are told the modelling will prove beneficial to GDP. We ask – which sector of the economy will benefit most?

    There are a number of aspects to the report that are agreeable. Stamp Duty is the most inefficient of taxes. Replacing this income stream is where we differ. We believe this should be replaced with a Land Tax rather than a broader GST (on basic food).

    In the report we see statements such as ‘raw land priced without distortion’. But yet the tables listed show how much have been hacked away from the effectiveness of Land Taxes. The raising of Land Tax thresholds in Victoria from $85,000 to $250,000 over the last decade sees the median block of land paying only $462. In Queensland, Land Tax has been virtually written off for affordable housing, where the threshold starts at $600,000.

    Land prices have followed the rising Land Tax threshold increases, just as economic law dictates.

    Many are so used to being brow beaten over Land Taxes and municipal rates that they no longer understand how they work.

    Land Tax is quite simply a counterweight to mortgage debt.
    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=13517&page=0

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  27. Ross12 (1,148 comments) says:

    Just for Griff.

    The “Boss” has agreed with us ( about the lack of warming ) !!
    Sorry the full article is behind a paywall but the first few sentences is enough.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debate/story-e6frg6n6-1226583112134

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  28. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Weihana at 9:00 am

    I wonder what will happen when its decided that we will all dress the same and tghere will only be one type of car and everyone will watch exactly the same TV programme.

    Indeed… of course this paranoia only exists in your mind.

    barry may have gone a little OTT there, but according to the article Manolo linked to, “The 11-page directive also urged schools to eliminate gender-based clothing and gender-based activities”. So the first situation he describes is being actively pushed.

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  29. noskire (832 comments) says:

    According to Stuff, a mountain climber is now known as a mounteneer.

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  30. Andrei (2,500 comments) says:

    The 11-page directive also urged schools to eliminate gender-based clothing and gender-based activities”

    FFS I really like it that men and women are different – Vive la difference I say.

    I think all this BS comes from women who can’t cut it as women and a little from men who can’t cut it as men

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  31. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    How does anyone eliminate gender based activity without displaying their political incorrectness (presumption that anything is a gender based activity)?

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  32. DavidR (102 comments) says:

    Weihana at 9:00 am

    I wonder what will happen when its decided that we will all dress the same and tghere will only be one type of car and everyone will watch exactly the same TV programme.

    We’ve already been there, it was called the 1960′s – known to some as the “good old days”

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  33. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    graham (1,664) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 9:28 am

    barry may have gone a little OTT there, but according to the article Manolo linked to, “The 11-page directive also urged schools to eliminate gender-based clothing and gender-based activities”. So the first situation he describes is being actively pushed.

    But that is in reference to already established dress codes, i.e. a uniform.

    barry – I wonder what will happen when its decided that we will all dress the same

    It is somewhat ironic to criticize a lack of diversity by reference to a uniform since they inherently demand conformity.

    Personally all this rubbish fits in the “i really don’t give a shit” basket. A person’s gender/sexuality/identity etc. etc. is innate. In all likelihood your little girl will want to be a princess and your boy will want to be superman and that won’t change. The fact that schools go some way to try and make it easier for transgendered kids by creating an environment where they are not always made to feel excluded or out of place is hardly of concern to me. If it makes their life somewhat more tolerable then great. Other than that the only consequence is to enrage conservatives who think any deviation from stereotypical gender roles is the work of Satan.

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  34. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    lol @ vto

    such a bitter little cocksmoker.

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  35. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    barry may have gone a little OTT there, but according to the article Manolo linked to, “The 11-page directive also urged schools to eliminate gender-based clothing and gender-based activities”. So the first situation he describes is being actively pushed.

    If you read further, you would find that the gender based clothing is not eliminated so much as not required. Ie. The schools should not require girls to wear dresses or boys to wear trousers. There is nothing in there about requiring everyone to dress the same.

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  36. James Stephenson (2,024 comments) says:

    We’ve already been there, it was called the 1960′s

    Plenty of photos of my mum in miniskirts, my dad, not so much.

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  37. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Merchants of Doubt

    The book states that Seitz, Singer, Nierenberg and Robert Jastrow were all fiercely anti-communist and they viewed government regulation as a step towards socialism and communism. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, they looked for another great threat to free market capitalism and found it in environmentalism. They feared that an over-reaction to environmental problems would lead to heavy-handed government intervention in the marketplace and intrusion into people’s lives.[10] Oreskes and Conway state that the longer the delay the worse these problems get, and the more likely it is that governments will need to take the draconian measures that conservatives most fear. They say that Seitz, Singer, Nierenberg and Jastrow denied the scientific evidence, contributed to a strategy of delay, and thereby helped to bring about the situation they most dreaded.[10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

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  38. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Weihana, for what it’s worth, schools trying to make things easier for transgendered kids doesn’t personally worry me, either. But what happens when it infringes on my daughter? As an example, when she is getting changed for swimming and there’s a boy – who identifies himself as a girl – in the changing room? At the very least, I imagine that will create some discomfort for my daughter.

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  39. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    @ VTO isn’t the partner in a benefit fraud complicit the fraud (intimately connected in one way and another in the beneficiaries circumstances -or should be)? You could argue about the other though as in the case of the Otago Health Board $6million where his wife said: “oh I didn’t think about where it all came from”?

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  40. Griff (6,749 comments) says:

    This makes a interesting read. HJ
    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
    Redbaiter defined by science :lol:

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  41. hj (6,350 comments) says:

    Three years ago last month, Michael Swann was sentenced in the High Court, in Dunedin, to nine and a-half years’ jail for defrauding the Otago District Health Board of $16,902,000. Swann’s sentence might have been up to a year longer if it had not been for his remorse and attempts to make good. But, as Mark Price reports, those still looking for the missing money say despite the discount in his sentence, they have received no help whatsoever from Michael Swann.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/tags/michael-swann-0

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  42. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    graham (1,665) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 9:55 am

    But what happens when it infringes on my daughter? As an example, when she is getting changed for swimming and there’s a boy – who identifies himself as a girl – in the changing room? At the very least, I imagine that will create some discomfort for my daughter.

    Some kids might get discomfort by getting changed in front of anyone. If she feels uncomfortable she should be thankful she is not in the boys changing room: bloody mayhem in there! Pushing, shoving.. boys waving their willy’s about… damp towels being twisted and then whipped to create a furious snapping sound on the buttocks of some poor lad.

    Isn’t the real reason boys are separated is because they act like monkeys? If a boy wants and is trying to be a girl then in all likelihood they are adopting the gender norms of girls otherwise they would stay with the monkeys in the other room. Explain that to her and perhaps she’ll start to form some perspective on her relatively trivial insecurity.

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  43. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    Ha ha vto “One further question – do you think people don’t notice this double standard and the moral repugnancy that it places on National Party voters heads? Cunts”

    One question for you, how’s the strategy of abusing anyone who doesn’t agree with them working out for Labour?

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  44. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    Another Darwin nomination…

    15 year old.
    Licence status unknown.
    After midnight.
    Stolen Car.
    3 passengers.
    Spotted by Police.
    Lights and siren.
    Moron does a runner.
    Wrong side of the road.
    90kph in a 50kph area.
    Pursuit abandoned by Police.
    No surprises – moron soon crashes.
    One passenger killed.
    Driver does a runner.
    Surviving passengers now ‘assisting’ the Police.
    Police know who the driver is….
    IPCA will be involved.

    Cue the panty waists who still believe the Police should somehow let these morons run amok.
    Reality: 15 year old / after midnight / stolen car / accident / someone killed / driver ran off / consequences coming….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10866983

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  45. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    Trannys – Dime is all for them. Go for it. Get built from scratch. The tit implants, the ass cheek implants. Who cares???

    oh wait, im discussing adults.

    schools supporting a childs right to be a tranny is just bullshit.

    heres a quick scenario.

    lets call this kid redbaiter.

    10 year old redbaiter is a bit confused. he thinks that maybe hes a chick. so he goes to his weak as piss 10 yr old buddy, pete george. PG encourages him to be a tranny.

    so redbaiter starts rocking a dress and some make up.

    he alienates himself from virtually everyone. the teachers are supportive. all of a sudden, what was once a feeling of “maybe im a chick” now defines everything about him.

    turns out the now 11 yr old rebaiter isnt a tranny, but he cant see a way out. its who he is now.

    if he goes back, the kids that dont like him now wont suddenly like him.

    the freak kids will turn on him and he will be more alone.

    and there ya go. one fucked up tranny whos gonna one day almost trick Dime into paying him to blow him on a street corner while drunk. Luckily Dime is always suspicious and will spot the adams apple at the last minute.

    so ends this cautionary tale

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  46. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    A cheer for the National Government, and especially for Amy Adams, the bright Communications and Information Technology Minister. The Government has refused to set aside for Maori wireless spectrum that’s become available from the move from analogue to digital TV.

    It’s preposterous that Maori should ever have been able to claim wireless spectrum as their property under the Treaty of Waitangi. They might just as well claim rights to sunlight, or wind. Maori culture only began emerging from the Stone Age with colonial settlement. Maori culture didn’t have the wheel. No-one inthe world used wireless waves 200 years ago. IMHO, the spectrum claim is like asking for rights to air above NZ, or light that fell on the country.

    Amy Adams is proving a valuable asset to our Parliament. She is a vast, vast improvement over the mediocre National MP who preceded her in her electorate.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10866968

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  47. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    Ross12 (269) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 9:19 am
    Just for Griff.

    The “Boss” has agreed with us ( about the lack of warming ) !!
    Sorry the full article is behind a paywall but the first few sentences is enough.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debate/story-e6frg6n6-1226583112134

    Pachauri said “it would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.”

    How long is this “long-term global warming trend” then? It cooled between the late ’30s and the late ’70s, so that presents two options: 1) that the long term trend starts before the ’30s and includes a period where warming is not attributable to human GHG emissions, or 2) that the long term trend starts after the late ’70′s, in which case it only spans about 20 years before stalling.

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  48. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    “Luckily Dime is always suspicious and will spot the adams apple at the last minute.” – when they’re swallowing?

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  49. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    Thanks for the replies (two proper ones). Sure benefit fraud may require complicity of some form by the partner. However, so too does it in many other areas of fraud and taxpayers rip-offs. This government however has specifically targetted beneficiaries rather than make it applicable to all such situations. It is straight forward to make these things generic. But this government didn’t do that because it has a policy of bad-mouthing those less fortunate, while those rich rip-off pricks who scam $1,000 million p.a., dwarfing benefit fraud, get let off.

    It simply points to a nasty nasty attitude to one group in society, and that is the shitstink. Nasty arseholes.

    As for Labour doing the same hypocritical things, sure, and those who may remember when they were in power I blazed at them with the exact same gusto. Don’t worry, when they get back in next year, if they start the same shit, my play-guns will swing around and let loose at them too. Again.

    btw, why has my original post been coloured pink?

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  50. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Weihana:

    Yeah, there’s a reason my daughter isn’t in the boy’s changing room – she’s a girl.

    My daughter’s not uncomfortable getting changed in front of “anyone”, she quite happily gets changed in front of all her female friends, including her friend who is gay and told my daughter last year that she had a crush on her, because – they’re all girls.

    She WOULD be uncomfortable getting changed in front of a boy.

    Even if that boy says “But I feel like a girl, so it’s okay”.

    Weihana, my daughter is NOT insecure about her body, or getting changed in front of her friends, or anything like that. Don’t you bloody cheapen this by making out that my daughter has a “trivial insecurity” because she might feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a boy. That’s not doing your argument any justice, and frankly you should be above that sort of cheap shot. I don’t give a flying fuck if some other kid wants to identify as a boy, a girl, or a horse for that matter. But as soon as that boy wants to use the girl’s changing room, or that girl wants to use the boy’s changing room, it’s no longer just about “trying to make things easier for transgendered kids”, they are infringing on the rights of other children to at least a modicum of respect and modesty.

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  51. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    I agree with Jo Nova. This video should be mandatory viewing for all students: Trophers New Video: The Forbidden History of Terrible Taxes.

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  52. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    rightnow – bahaha

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  53. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    “btw, why has my original post been coloured pink?” – because youre an angry homo

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  54. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    @Colville

    “http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8337031/Pressure-on-Government-over-bible-lessons

    Why would any rational parent want sky fairy BS taught in school time?”

    Exactly. Religion is a personal issue for the family to dictate – not the school

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  55. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    “it’s no longer just about “trying to make things easier for transgendered kids”, they are infringing on the rights of other children to at least a modicum of respect and modesty.”

    yep. its almost like the liberal elite view a tranny as more important than a normal kid.

    and yes, i say normal. trannys arent normal no matter how you try and spin it.

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  56. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    dime (5,558) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    turns out the now 11 yr old rebaiter isnt a tranny, but he cant see a way out. its who he is now.

    So the premise of this cautionary tale is that people who are actually not transgendered often get confused and start thinking about dressing like the opposite sex, then disown their previous friends to find new friends before realizing it’s all a big mistake. Sounds rather far fetched.

    and there ya go. one fucked up tranny whos gonna one day almost trick Dime into paying him to blow him on a street corner while drunk.

    Oh yeah… “almost” eh… ;)

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  57. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    Farrar, why has the original post been coloured pink?

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  58. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    @Vto – Pink means it has got loads of down votes, yellow is loads of up votes.

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  59. Nookin (3,034 comments) says:

    vto
    Seems that posts with disproportionate likes or dislikes get highlighted.

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  60. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    “So the premise of this cautionary tale is that people who are actually not transgendered often get confused and start thinking about dressing like the opposite sex, then disown their previous friends to find new friends before realizing it’s all a big mistake. Sounds rather far fetched.”

    No, the premise is any 10 year old boy who starts dressing like a girl is going to lose 99% of his friends. The tranny wouldnt be doing the disowning.

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  61. Griff (6,749 comments) says:

    So are you a believer in Joe novas vast Jewish conspiracy KK right now?
    Do you believe 911 was a false flag plot?
    “Perth sceptics Jo Nova and David Evans who believe in a centuries long conspiracy involving international bankers and climate scientists. According to this dynamic duo, said bankers may – or may not – have been behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Yes, you read that correctly: they’ve actually made that argument.”

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/category/andrew-bolt/
    “Why on earth was Christopher Monckton endorsing the nationalist Rise Up Australia Party? Great chance for warmists to paint climate sceptics as fringe dwellers.”

    Or are you as Andrew bolt says a fringe dwelling Monckton fans?

    I still await more detail on this conspiracy scientist are paid to do science just does nor cut it.
    Denialist are also paid to do denial.

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/category/jo-nova/

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  62. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Apparently approval signifies right wing/masculine/ACT colours of the solar Cross of Constantine (only in blogworld) and disapproval implies too liberal/left/wimpy/female/pinko. Rodney Hide after lifting weights and lying on the sunbed vs limp wristed in girlie clothes.

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  63. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    “Luckily Dime is always suspicious and will spot the adams apple at the last minute.” – When your kissing him ?

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  64. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    ““Luckily Dime is always suspicious and will spot the adams apple at the last minute.”

    Like this?
    http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3AnX0CJjpKc/TRInfBZDHcI/AAAAAAAAATs/g7ou6AUY7Ks/Ann_Coulter_Adams_Apple.gif

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  65. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Giff, old son, your ramblings are becoming less coherent by the day. What’s the problem? Has you supply dried up? The evidence supporting the notion that humans are cooking the planet is itself looking well cooked… and the evidence that there’s nothing to worry about is growing by the hour. It must be hell for you to maintain your hatred of big oil aka ‘the carbon industry’ like you do. But all credit for your determination. It’s very entertaining.

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  66. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    Griff, do you think you can answer my 10.48am? When did the “long-term warming trend” start? My answer is the 17th century. What’s yours?

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  67. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    graham (1,666) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Weihana:

    Yeah, there’s a reason my daughter isn’t in the boy’s changing room – she’s a girl.

    So? That is merely a circular justification. We could create “white” changing rooms and “black” changing rooms and then conclude “there’s a reason my white daughter is not in the black changing room – she’s white”.

    That’s not to say race and gender are the same thing. But GENDER is the point of this whole discussion. We do not separate boys and girls because one has a vagina and one has a penis. We separate gender precisely because gender identifies stereotypical behavior and attitudes and THAT is why gender is different to race and why it is an issue for transgendered people who feel like they are trapped in the wrong body.

    She WOULD be uncomfortable getting changed in front of a boy.

    Acknowledged. I just don’t see why this particular insecurity (or uncomfortableness if you will) holds some sort of special status as opposed to the insecurities of other people.

    Weihana, my daughter is NOT insecure about her body, or getting changed in front of her friends, or anything like that. Don’t you bloody cheapen this by making out that my daughter has a “trivial insecurity” because she might feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a boy. That’s not doing your argument any justice, and frankly you should be above that sort of cheap shot.

    Of course she is insecure… everyone is to some degree. But I’m not trying to make a cheap shot: it is a serious point. Imagine she was in a boys body and had to get changed in the boys dressing room: that is the insecurity that the transgendered kid deals with. And maybe they should get over it. One of life’s little inconveniences. But by comparison I find your daughter’s uncomfortableness even more trivial. Point is it goes both ways you simply don’t care about anyone except your daughter which is understandable.

    I don’t give a flying fuck if some other kid wants to identify as a boy, a girl, or a horse for that matter. But as soon as that boy wants to use the girl’s changing room, or that girl wants to use the boy’s changing room, it’s no longer just about “trying to make things easier for transgendered kids”, they are infringing on the rights of other children to at least a modicum of respect and modesty.

    Right, because a boy’s changing room is an arena for respect and modesty. Sorry but your daughter’s rights are not being infringed upon by having a transgendered boy change in the same room as her. Even if we had all boys and girls get changed in the same room her rights would not be violated. These are nothing more than social norms and while you are entitled to your opinion on what constitutes “respect and modesty” it is open to society to reassess these norms in light of evolving standards.

    I would agree however that your daughter has a right to get changed in a room all to herself if she so wishes.

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  68. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    dime (5,563) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    No, the premise is any 10 year old boy who starts dressing like a girl is going to lose 99% of his friends. The tranny wouldnt be doing the disowning.

    And the far fetched part is the notion that normal boys wake up one day and want to put on a dress.

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  69. SPC (5,392 comments) says:

    Right Now, the 17th C was a time of a cooling because of decades of sun spot activity decline – of course there has been a rising trend since then – first as sun spot activity increased and then also with AGW.

    Recently sun spot activity has dipped, how much of the burden of continuing the rising trend AGW can bare alone is now the issue.

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  70. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    “Luckily Dime is always suspicious and will spot the adams apple at the last minute.” – when they’re swallowing?

    Nah, when they’re pissing on him.

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  71. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    I’m amused that people here seem to think that transgendered children simply “feel” like they are opposite sex.

    They “believe” that they’re the opposite sex.

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  72. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    One question for you, how’s the strategy of abusing anyone who doesn’t agree with them working out for Labour?

    Not confined to Labour I think. Something about fucking turds turd fucking ring a bell?

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  73. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    dime (5,563) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    and yes, i say normal. trannys arent normal no matter how you try and spin it.

    Neither is a kid in a wheelchair. Neither is a down syndrome kid. Neither is a dwarf. For some reason making life easier for these people is simply viewed as the thing any decent person would do. But for a transgendered person the decent thing to do is apparently to emphasize how abnormal they are.

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  74. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Luckily Dime is always suspicious and will spot the adams apple at the last minute

    Yeah, but how does dime spot the adams apple when he’s slipping his best bit up their clacker?.

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  75. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    why has the original post been coloured pink?

    It’s triggered automatically by the vote count. Different vote count ratios trigger particular shadings. I got a “pink” once just for having the good grace to congratulate someone. This is Kiwiblog after all.

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  76. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    “And the far fetched part is the notion that normal boys wake up one day and want to put on a dress.”

    it must happen at some point?!

    either way. going back to the point – why should an entire changing room of normal girls feel weird so 1 boy can feel good? seems harsh.

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  77. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    Yeah, but how does dime spot the adams apple when he’s slipping his best bit up their clacker?.

    He can feel it with his hands.

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  78. Yvette (2,689 comments) says:

    The need for a bullet proof ice-cream van …

    A week before his resignation, the Pope reportedly heard from an undisclosed European government that the International Tribunal into Crimes Against Church and State (ITCCS) had called on “all people of conscience” to “disestablish the Vatican,” and seek Benedict’s and others’ arrests for crimes against humanity.

    Their call comes as part of an upcoming Easter Reclamation Campaign that also seeks to seize the assets of the Church under international law
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/02/vatican-abuse-of-power-shields-pope-from-growing-prosecution-efforts/#disqus_thread .

    A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.

    The pope’s spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.

    The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign – the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called “Vatileaks” affair.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry

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  79. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    LONDON, Feb 10 (Reuters) – British financier Nathaniel Rothschild lost a libel case on Friday against a newspaper that depicted him as a “puppet master” who used his friendship with a European trade chief to impress a Russian oligarch and help close a business deal.

    Rothschild sued the Daily Mail in London over a story that gave a rare insight into the world of super-rich businessmen who cross continents in private jets, dine in top restaurants and relax together in saunas.

    One of Britain’s richest men, Rothschild is co-chairman of the London-listed coal mining company Bumi Plc and was once a close friend of UKfinance minister George Osborne.

    The 40-year-old member of the European banking dynasty, who accused the newspaper of damaging his reputation, said he was disappointed by the ruling and would appeal.

    The article said Rothschild flew the then European Union trade commissioner Peter Mandelson from the 2005 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to Moscow to meet the aluminium billionaire Oleg Deripaska, among the richest men in Russia.

    They went on to visit an aluminium plant in Siberia and relaxed together in a group whose members played soccer and ice hockey and sat in steam rooms before plunging into icy water.

    The article said Rothschild had sought to impress Deripaska by unexpectedly bringing Mandelson to a dinner the Russian held with bosses from the U.S. aluminium company Alcoa Inc.

    The newspaper said Rothschild had “pulled a very unexpected and also rather useful rabbit out of his hat” when Alcoa was worried about EU tariffs on Russian aluminium exports.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/flashback-uk-judge-confirms-rothschilds-are-global-puppet-masters/

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  80. Griff (6,749 comments) says:

    Now Krazy kiwi Right

    Yes the growing concern among business, insurance, defense, agriculture, industry, are totally unfounded.

    The royal society, the world bank, the IPCC ,the university’s, NASA,the Pentagon, the national academy of science,the president of the united states,our national government, all major scientific bodies,

    In fact it seems all reputable sources of information about threats to humanity from global warming are involved in this conspiracy.

    These evil scientists politicians governments those who are in control are once and for all, overwhelmed by an opinion piece in an Australian paper.

    The resulting trials for this fraud will see the lefty liberal green movement removed for ever from the halls of power and …………………
    ………“
    Wing nut world wide global conspiracy :lol:

    Please tell us the perpetrators behind this evil plot, those in control at the The royal society of science the world bank,the Pentagon etc?

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  81. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “They “believe” that they’re the opposite sex.”

    It’s all in the mind

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  82. Ross12 (1,148 comments) says:

    Griff

    Why don’t you look at the video krazykiwi linked to. It is nothing to do with JoNova’s views on AGW. She is just “publicising” a very good view on taxes , government spending etc. Topher is extremely good at getting across reasonably complex issues in these short videos he does.

    In fact DPF should highlight it on a separate thread.

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  83. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    dime (5,564) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    “And the far fetched part is the notion that normal boys wake up one day and want to put on a dress.”

    it must happen at some point?!

    Not to normal boys… and my understanding is that those who are transgender are that way from a very early age… like as soon as gender identity starts to develop.

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  84. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Never seen on US television

    SAL LANDAU PRODUCTION: “The CIA Case Officer (1978)” An in-depth portrairt of a former CIA official, John R. Stockwell, who served the CIA for 12 years, mostly in Africa and Vietnam. Soon after his last assignment as chief of the Angolan Task Force during 1975 and early 1976. Stockwell talks with candor and introspection about his career and the disillusionment, which let to his decision to leave the CIA. He reveals information about CIA practices and policies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqx_dijObjA

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  85. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    ohn R. Stockwell
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sto
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Sto
    http://www.serendipity.li/cia/stock1 ….
    http://informationclearinghouse.info/
    http://www.amazon.com/Search-Enemies -…
    http://www.amazon.com/Praetorian-Guar
    http://www.amazon.com/Red-Sunset-John

    ¤ BOOK by William blum
    Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions Since World War II (Updated Through 2003)
    http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Hope-C -…

    “The single most useful summary of CIA history”
    ~ Former CIA Case officer John R. Stockwell

    “Far and away the best book on the topic”
    ~ Professor Emeritus, and world leading intellectual Noam Chomsky

    “I enjoyed it immensely”
    ~ Gore Vidal, American author, playwright, essayist, screenwriter, and political activist

    “I bought several more copies to circulate to
    friends with the hope of shedding new light
    and understanding on their political outlooks.”
    ~ Oliver Stone, Hollywood Movie and documentary Director and producer and Hollywood screen writer

    “A very useful piece of work, daunting in scope, important.”
    ~ Thomas Powers, author and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist

    “Each chapter I read makes me more and more angry.”
    ~ Helen Caldicott, Australian physician, author

    “A valuable reference for anyone interested in the conduct of U.S. foreign policy.
    ~ Choice

    “A very valuable book. The research and organization are extremely impressive.”
    ~ A.J. Langguth, author and former New York Times bureau chief

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  86. Griff (6,749 comments) says:

    Why distract from the wing nut opinions displayed by Joe nova in believing in the 911 conspiracy.
    Now krazy kiwi right believe in conspiracy . I just would like to understand how all these deserve organizations are conspiring against the world. I was under the impression that the world bank was a tool of Tory oppression. Here they are backing the greens on global warming. So they are involved in the conspiracy as well?

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  87. Fletch (6,021 comments) says:

    From The Australian, THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri admits the world hasn’t warmed in 17 years, and that it’s OK to dispute and question the science.

    THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office, but said it would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.

    Dr Pachauri, the chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said that open discussion about controversial science and politically incorrect views was an essential part of tackling climate change.

    In a wide-ranging interview on topics that included this year’s record northern summer Arctic ice growth, the US shale-gas revolution, the collapse of renewable energy subsidies across Europe and the faltering European carbon market, Dr Pachauri said no issues should be off-limits for public discussion.

    In Melbourne for a 24-hour visit to deliver a lecture for Deakin University, Dr Pachauri said that people had the right to question the science, whatever their motivations.

    “People have to question these things and science only thrives on the basis of questioning,” Dr Pachauri said.

    He said there was “no doubt about it” that it was good for controversial issues to be “thrashed out in the public arena”.

    Dr Pachauri’s views contrast with arguments in Australia that views outside the orthodox position of approved climate scientists should be left unreported.

    Unlike in Britain, there has been little publicity in Australia given to recent acknowledgment by peak climate-science bodies in Britain and the US of what has been a 17-year pause in global warming. Britain’s Met Office has revised down its forecast for a global temperature rise, predicting no further increase to 2017, which would extend the pause to 21 years.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debate/story-e6frg6n6-1226583112134

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  88. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    On Wednesday David Carter’s performance as speaker caused some consternation and criticism.

    After that he must have done some homework and preparation because he was ready for the Opposition attack yesterday. Grant Robertson:

    It leaves the Opposition in a very difficult position in terms of being able to hold the Prime Minister to account when an interpretation is given by the Speaker and then it is contradicted by the Minister.

    Trevor Mallard and Winston Peters raised the same problem. Carter had a simple and effective solution ready:

    In future what I will do is not attempt to reinterpret the answer, but will rule simply whether the question has been addressed to my satisfaction and, therefore, I do not think that members can expect me to continue to justify the decisions that are made.

    Much better Mr Speaker – rulings without interpretations

    Question time was relatively subdued and orderly from then on.

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  89. Lucia Maria (2,207 comments) says:

    This man didn’t think he was transgender until his grandmother made him a purple chiffon evening dress to wear when he visited.

    … donning that purple chiffon dress triggered something that put him on a 35 year long path that led through a dark valley of “torment, disillusionment, regret, and sorrow.” His gender identity confusion led him into alcoholism, drug addiction, and attempted suicide.

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  90. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    dime (5,564) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    either way. going back to the point – why should an entire changing room of normal girls feel weird so 1 boy can feel good? seems harsh.

    Harsh? That they feel a bit weird? Poor wee things. Let’s wrap them up in cotton wool lest these precious wee things shatter into a thousand pieces.

    Personally I don’t even think it’s that big a deal if transgendered kids have to stick to their normal gender roles. But I can understand the efforts of those trying to accommodate their situation. It’s an art. You can’t please everyone nor can you reconcile everyone’s feelings. Some people will feel weird being around a bunch of brown kids or vice versa because they’re not used to it or because they come from a prejudiced background.

    Basically I think people need to get over themselves and just accept others for who they are. If anything is to be promoted in schools it is that.

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  91. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Jack5 (2,804) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am

    A cheer for the National Government, and especially for Amy Adams, the bright Communications and Information Technology Minister. The Government has refused to set aside for Maori wireless spectrum that’s become available from the move from analogue to digital TV.

    It’s preposterous that Maori should ever have been able to claim wireless spectrum as their property under the Treaty of Waitangi. They might just as well claim rights to sunlight, or wind. Maori culture only began emerging from the Stone Age with colonial settlement. Maori culture didn’t have the wheel. No-one inthe world used wireless waves 200 years ago. IMHO, the spectrum claim is like asking for rights to air above NZ, or light that fell on the country.

    Amy Adams is proving a valuable asset to our Parliament. She is a vast, vast improvement over the mediocre National MP who preceded her in her electorate.
    ———————————
    Except that she gave them a 31 million slush fund instead.

    Communications Minister Amy Adams denies a $30 million ”ICT development fund” offered to Maori in place of a slice of New Zealand’s ”digital dividend” spectrum is a slush fund.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8338425/Maori-ICT-cash-not-slush-fund-minister

    Of course its a bloody slush fund. Our taxpayers money being given to nefarious people to waste.

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  92. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    FASCIST WARREN BUFFET’S Wachovia Bank Helped Launder $378,000,000,000 Mexican Drug Money

    “Wachovia’s blatant disregard for our banking laws gave international cocaine cartels a virtual carte blanche to finance their operations,” Jeffrey Sloman, the federal prosecutor who handled the case, told Bloomberg.

    Bloomberg tells how Mexican soldiers seized a DC-9 jet after it landed in April 2006 at the international airport in Ciudad del Carmen, 500 miles east of Mexico City: “They found 128 black suitcases, packed with 5.7 tons of cocaine, valued at $100 million. The stash was supposed to have been delivered from Caracas to drug traffickers in Toluca, near Mexico City, Mexican prosecutors later found.”

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/fascist-warren-buffets-wachovia-bank-helped-launder-378000000000-mexican-drug-money/

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  93. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    Weihana – being the tranny expert that you are..

    why are there so many maori/ PI trannys? compared to white ones?

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  94. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria (1,266) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    From “lifesitenews.com”…

    There was the sexual molestation he suffered at the hands of his uncle that he says made him feel ashamed of his genitals. There was the severe discipline from his father—practically indistinguishable from physical abuse, he says—that made him feel incapable of being the boy his father wanted him to be.

    You really are idiotic Lucia. For you the molestation by his father is a trivial detail not even hinted at in your post.. for you the true evil is homosexuality and the fact his grandmother made him a dress. His gradmother you mention but the father who beat and molested him? Not worth a mention in your view. But maybe, just maybe, he was fucked up because his father beat and molested him. Could that be it? Could that possibly be the source of his confusion and despair? Not some liberal agenda but just a fucked up father. Of course that doesn’t suit your conservo-nutter political agenda which at the end of the day is all you care about.

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  95. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    dime (5,566) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Weihana – being the tranny expert that you are..

    why are there so many maori/ PI trannys? compared to white ones?

    I don’t claim such expertise. Perhaps you can venture your insights from your late night adventures? :)

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  96. dime (9,424 comments) says:

    well ive never seen a european one walking the streets…

    never saw a white one when visiting my buddy in jail..

    last tranny i saw was in mosgiel lol

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  97. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    What Pachauri actually said:

    Unlike in Britain, there has been little publicity in Australia given to recent acknowledgment by peak climate-science bodies in Britain and the US of what has been a 17-year pause in global warming. Britain’s Met Office has revised down its forecast for a global temperature rise, predicting no further increase to 2017, which would extend the pause to 21 years.

    Dr Pachauri said global average temperatures had plateaued at record levels and that the halt did not disprove global warming.

    “The climate is changing because of natural factors and the impact of human actions,” Dr Pachauri said.

    “If you look at temperatures going back 150 years, there are clearly fluctuations which have occurred largely as a result of natural factors: solar activity, volcanic activity and so on.

    “What is quite perceptible is, in the last 50 years, the trend is upwards.

    “This is not to say you won’t have ups and downs – you will – but what we should be concerned about is the trend, and that is being influenced now to a large extent by human actions.”

    He said that it would be 30 to 40 years “at least” before it was possible to say that the long-term upward trend in global temperatures had been broken.

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  98. Fletch (6,021 comments) says:

    Thrash, wrong.
    According to data, the world has only warmed 0.75 deg since 1880, and has not warmed at all since 1997. The temp is exactly the same now as in 1997. On a graph showing one degree increments this represents a straight line.

    This is from a Q&A in The Mail –

    Q Is the world warming or not?

    The Mail on Sunday revealed figures which appeared to show a 16-year ‘pause’ in global warming

    Expert Judith Curry

    A The Hadcrut 4 figures that show a ‘pause’ in warming lasting nearly 16 years are drawn from more than 3,000 measuring stations on land and at sea. Hadcrut 4 is one of several similar global databases that reveal the same thing: that since January 1997 there has been no statistically significant warming of the Earth’s surface.

    Between 1980 and the end of 1996, the planet warmed at a rate close to 0.2 degrees per decade. Since then, says the Met Office, the trend has been a much lower 0.03 degrees per decade.

    However, world average temperature measurements are subject to an error of plus or minus 0.1 degrees, while any attempt to calculate a trend for the period 1997-2012 has an in-built statistical error of plus or minus 0.4 degrees. The claim that there has been any statistically significant warming for the past 16 years is therefore unsustainable.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220722/Global-warming-The-Mail-Sunday-answers-world-warming-not.html

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  99. Lance (2,448 comments) says:

    @hinamanu
    So many conspiracies, so little time to get wound up about them.
    I guess everyone needs a hobby.

    You can be bitter and twisted at the world for the rest of us.

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  100. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    Weihana, I’m sorry but you’re wrong. My daughter’s rights ARE being infringed upon by having a transgendered boy change in the same room as her, and I find it very difficult to imagine that you can honestly not see the problem with this – a girl having to get changed in front of a boy. In fact I’m really quite stunned by your comment that:

    Even if we had all boys and girls get changed in the same room her rights would not be violated. These are nothing more than social norms …

    I don’t see the point of discussing that any further, quite frankly. If you honestly feel that is perfectly OK to have a bunch of teenage boys and girls all getting changed in the same room, I suggest you need to seriously re-evaluate your attitudes. It is not just a “social norm”; that is, quite simply, wrong, and any society whose “evolving standards” evolve to the point where they say it is normal and right is a pretty warped society.

    If you need further proof, try attending a public meeting at your local high school one day and make the suggestion that “To save money, we should merge all the changing rooms, and boys and girls can just use the same changing room as each other” and see how far you get.

    But you comment that you find my daughter’s uncomfortableness trivial in comparison to the uncomfortableness that a transgender boy feels getting changed in a boy’s changing room. We’re talking about the same situation, surely. I don’t want my daughter to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of boys. You don’t want a transgender boy to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of boys. I fail to see why you consider my daughter’s uncomfortableness less of an issue than that of the transgender boy.

    Never mind. Thankfully, there is a solution which should please everybody, and it’s really quite simple and obvious. Four separate changing rooms. Boys, girls, boys who feel they’re girls, girls who feel they’re boys. Sorted.

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  101. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    @hinamanu

    All “beliefs” are in the mind.

    That is what they are :-/

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  102. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Access to this story was DENIED in my Library

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/dhs-ramps-up-to-subdue-and-kill-americans/

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  103. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “@hinamanu
    So many conspiracies, so little time to get wound up about them.
    I guess everyone needs a hobby.

    You can be bitter and twisted at the world for the rest of us.”

    I don’t make these stories up and they all on mainstream. Only never repeated so the public comprehends them.

    Military takeover in US because Posse Comadatus has been rescinded forbidding military law in US

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  104. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    According to data, the world has only warmed 0.75 deg since 1880, and has not warmed at all since 1997. The temp is exactly the same now as in 1997. On a graph showing one degree increments this represents a straight line.

    As the average global temperature is around 14 to 15 deg, a rise of 0.75 is fairly substantial rather than “only”. A 16 year period at the end of a 100+ year trend does not wipe the trend. It doesn’t mean any warming has stopped

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  105. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

    The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

    The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
    When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

    As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

    To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on) These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

    2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

    3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

    4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539867659380653&set=a.467056609995092.113551.463148250385928&type=1&theater

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  106. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    I don’t make these stories up and they all on mainstream

    Yeah, along with the buy gold/freeze dried food scam.

    //

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  107. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    Thanks for the link @ 12:55 Lucia.

    I took this from the comments below the story about the former transexual:

    “….Dr. Paul McHugh, psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, argued in Surgical Sex, his 2004 article that appeared in First Things that “to provide a surgical alteration to the body of these unfortunate people [gender confused people] was to collaborate with a mental disorder rather than to treat it.”
    “We psychiatrists” said the Doctor, “would do better to concentrate on trying to fix their minds and not their genitalia.”
    With a staggering 41% of transgender people in the United States having attempted suicide, it appears that Dr. McHugh is right on target….”

    Advocates for transexualism here at KB and elsewhere, need to take a look at the person on the inside and not what appears on the outside, as these people clearly need help.

    ‘Tolerating’ and ‘promoting’ mental illnesses at the expense of an individuals life, simply to gain ‘rights’, is not what being Liberal is about. It is not what being a human is about. Some people here at KB have no shame nor soul.

    Keep up the good work.Thanks Lucia.

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  108. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class.

    ~snort~ the morons favourite.

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  109. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    graham (1,667) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Weihana, I’m sorry but you’re wrong.

    Maybe. Let’s see…

    My daughter’s rights ARE being infringed upon by having a transgendered boy change in the same room as her

    Well capital letters certainly prove that my argument is wrong. How could I possibly argue against capital letters? :)

    I find it very difficult to imagine that you can honestly not see the problem with this – a girl having to get changed in front of a boy.

    As I said, she is well within her rights to a private room if she feels it necessary. No one should be forced to change in front of anyone else.

    Moreover, the fact that I do not see it as a “rights violation” does not imply I support it. I’ve made it clear that there is good reason genders are separated (as opposed to race for instance) and that has nothing to do with a person’s genitals but rather the stereotypical roles that are assigned to genders because gender reflects general differences in behaviour. Boys are rude, disgusting and physical. Girls aren’t. They just gossip relentlessly until the other girl hurts herself.

    I don’t see the point of discussing that any further, quite frankly.

    You only discuss with people who adopt the same premise as you?

    If you honestly feel that is perfectly OK to have a bunch of teenage boys and girls all getting changed in the same room, I suggest you need to seriously re-evaluate your attitudes.

    You suggesting that I re-evaluate my attitudes is not a justification in support of your point of view, nor a reasoned contradiction of mine.

    It is not just a “social norm”; that is, quite simply, wrong, and any society whose “evolving standards” evolve to the point where they say it is normal and right is a pretty warped society.

    Quite simply? Ok, so we have begging the question… and “warped society” gives us judgmental language. Any other fallacies to consider?

    Decency is every bit a social norm. What is considered decent in this country is exceptionally indecent in most of the Mid-East. Why are they wrong and why are you right? I put it to you that “quite simply” is not an argument and is evidence of your inability to conjure up a valid rebuttal and thus demonstrates the claim that standards of decency are dependent upon the society one is in.

    But you comment that you find my daughter’s uncomfortableness trivial in comparison to the uncomfortableness that a transgender boy feels getting changed in a boy’s changing room. We’re talking about the same situation, surely. I don’t want my daughter to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of boys. You don’t want a transgender boy to feel uncomfortable getting changed in front of boys. I fail to see why you consider my daughter’s uncomfortableness less of an issue than that of the transgender boy.

    Fair point. But by the same token if it is the “same situation” why is it not a violation of his rights? And I ask that assuming you will not return with the circular “cause she’s a girl”, a response which assumes as a premise the conclusion you are trying to prove.

    Never mind. Thankfully, there is a solution which should please everybody, and it’s really quite simple and obvious. Four separate changing rooms. Boys, girls, boys who feel they’re girls, girls who feel they’re boys. Sorted.

    I disagree. The solution is that no one be forced to change in front of anyone else if they do not wish to.

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  110. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted “crap” in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill – who sat on the National Security Council – also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might “have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.” And see this.

    Cheney made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: “Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.” (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/leaked-memo-from-war-criminal-donald-rumsfeld-shows-iraq-war-was-based-on/

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  111. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    Thrash Cardamom: “A 16 year period at the end of a 100+ year trend does not wipe the trend. It doesn’t mean any warming has stopped”

    Tell me more about this 100+ year trend, specifically what caused warming before 1940? I’m not denying a long trend of warming (about 0.5 deg C per century since the 17th century in fact). I’m questioning why anthropogenic GHG emissions are alleged to be responsible for the majority of it.

    In reality the period of warming between the 70′s and late 90′s is the crux of the matter, where the rise in temperature is pinned on AGHG’s because of a lack of other suspects. So it’s premised on a period of 20-30 years. The exceptionally hot el nino year of 1997 is admitted by the warmists to have skewed the record, so in actual fact the rise is not that exceptional, a very similar rise happened up to 1940 as well.

    The 16 year pause indicates natural variability is overwhelming anthropogenic forcing during that period.

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  112. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    I disagree. The solution is that no one be forced to change in front of anyone else if they do not wish to.

    That comes with its own problems, of course.

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  113. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    Ryan – we don’t force adults to change in front of anyone (except certain authorised officials), we shouldn’t force children to – in the same way children have the right not to be assaulted. If this “comes with its own problems” then we overcome those problems – the same way we overcome access for disabled people etc. Build the facilities to comply with the rights of the users.

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  114. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    Yesterday…….Andrie put up a link titled:

    “My wife is my sister” – about two women who met, got married, and then found out that the father of them both was the one and the same. – due to their mothers being artificaly inseminated.

    Ryan Sproull then replied to Andrei – “….Yeah yeah. What was your actual point? Sperm donation is bad?…’

    I then replied to Ryan -

    Harriet (1,099) Says: February 21st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    “….Andrei’s point is this Ryan:
    Two brothers should not commit sodomy. Nor a father and adult son. Nor a mother and adult daughter commit foreplay.Nor an adult son sodomise his mother.
    Why do you support this behaviour Ryan…..bored with your sex life?…”

    So Ryan……why didn’t you reply to that……you replied to others after this was listed?

    Do you have a problem answering sick stuff that you support Ryan? :cool:

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  115. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    Sorry, Harriet, I didn’t see your reply yesterday.

    Two brothers should not commit sodomy. Nor a father and adult son. Nor a mother and adult daughter commit foreplay.Nor an adult son sodomise his mother.
    Why do you support this behaviour Ryan…..bored with your sex life?…”

    When did I say I supported that behaviour?

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  116. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    Tell me more about this 100+ year trend, specifically what caused warming before 1940?

    What drove the Industrial Revolution?

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  117. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The Best ‘Jeopardy!’ Question Ever? [VIDEO]

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/the-best-jeopardy-question-ever-video/

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  118. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    So now you understand Ryan that your beloved humanism falls down – or you are too ashamed to fully support it! :cool:

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  119. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    So now you understand Ryan that your beloved humanism falls down – or you are too ashamed to fully support it!

    If you can support your suggestion that I support that behaviour, I’ll be able to clarify or answer your question. Can you do that?

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  120. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    “What drove the Industrial Revolution?”

    Steam. You reckon that’s what caused it?
    Not beyond the realms of possibility, any supporting evidence?

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  121. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    You have before said Ryan “The government should stay out of Marriage.”

    But why do you think that the government should not stay out of all relationships?

    As a humanist, how can you have a problem with an adult son sodomising his willing mother or father?

    You are still a humanist arn’t you Ryan? :cool:

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  122. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    You have before said Ryan “The government should stay out of Marriage.”

    But why do you think that the government should not stay out of all relationships?

    As a humanist, how can you have a problem with an adult son sodomising his willing mother or father?

    You are still a humanist arn’t you Ryan?

    I don’t recall ever saying I was a humanist, Harriet. You’re right that I am certainly against Government control of personal lives, though.

    I have two problems with adult incestuous sexual relationships. (The problem of child-adult incestuous relationships is obvious – the child cannot consent.) The first problem is the increased risk of genetic illnesses in any children resulting. The second is the power dynamic that can call into question the issue of consent – grooming a child for incest upon reaching the technical age of consent.

    So no, I do not approve of incestuous relationships. And because there is the question of harm, I think the Government has a leg to stand on in preventing such relationships.

    In the rather extreme case Andrei mentions, of two adults who have no idea that they are related due to the obscurity of their paternity through sperm donation, neither of those things apply so long as they do not have children. There was no possibility of grooming. Now that they are adults, without being groomed, and find themselves in that situation – the poor bastards – it is entirely up to them how they live their lives. It is not my place, nor the Government’s, to impose values on them.

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  123. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    I love you, Harriet. Thank you for continuing to challenge me and giving me opportunities to examine my reasoning on these issues.

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  124. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    I’m fascinated by the continued misconception that transgender children will somehow be compelled to parade around in changing rooms.

    Transgender children are (generally speaking) very uncomfortable with their bodies and hate getting changed if there’s any risk of discovery.

    Their bodies are what makes them uncomfortable. They are desperate not to bring attention to themselves (because it reinforces their differences).

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  125. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    More multiculturalism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281941/600-000-decade-white-flight-London-White-Britons-minority-capital.html

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  126. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    Steam. You reckon that’s what caused it?

    How was the steam created?

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  127. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    Manolo are trying to say that London should have remained as a white only city or something?

    The white ‘race’ (if there is such a thing) is becoming a minority everywhere but that’s just demographics.

    You’ll be a minority but there is no avoiding it.

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  128. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    “….In the rather extreme case Andrei mentions, of two adults who have no idea that they are related due to the obscurity of their paternity through sperm donation, neither of those things apply so long as they do not have children. There was no possibility of grooming. Now that they are adults, without being groomed, and find themselves in that situation – the poor bastards – it is entirely up to them how they live their lives. It is not my place, nor the Government’s, to impose values on them….’

    So you would then agree that there are dangers in sperm donation?

    And if so, the government should then become involved in relationships? -and if so, at what point?

    There is cases of sisters ‘carrying’ artificaly inseminated babies for straight couples and for gay men. And some cases where the mother does not then want to hand the baby over.

    So my question is: Should contract law supercede the relationship between mother and children? And if so, at what stage? – or is it a feotus and not the mothers baby – an emotional loss?

    To me Ryan it’s all a dangerous area and the children seem not to be the matter of concern.

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  129. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    Are you the Ryan ‘s’ or ‘p’ Sproull that is quoted at wikipedia or on some ‘quotes’ website – on the matter of Atheism?

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  130. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    So you would then agree that there are dangers in sperm donation?

    Obviously. Nothing like the dangers of, say, cars, but clearly there can be incredibly unlikely problems popping up.

    And if so, the government should then become involved in relationships? -and if so, at what point?

    In this case, as I said, not at all.

    There is cases of sisters ‘carrying’ artificaly inseminated babies for straight couples and for gay men. And some cases where the mother does not then want to hand the baby over.

    Very sad situations, I think.

    So my question is: Should contract law supercede the relationship between mother and children? And if so, at what stage? – or is it a feotus and not the mothers baby – an emotional loss?

    Your question is should contract law supercede the relationship between mother and children in a surrogacy situation where the surrogate mother changes her mind? I really haven’t thought about that one. I think it would take a lot of thinking. I’m sorry, I don’t have an answer for you off the top of my head.

    To me Ryan it’s all a dangerous area and the children seem not to be the matter of concern. Cheers.

    It’s a complicated world. Trying to avoid it with simplistic broad strokes and black-and-white thinking causes more problems than it solves, I think. To me, the children’s well-being is a matter of concern.

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  131. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Excellent points Harriet.

    There’s barely a day goes by when I don’t pick up a newspaper to read about yet another instance of inadvertent incestuous relationships or contractual disputes involving surrogate parenting. There should be a law against it. I blame the guvamint.

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  132. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    Are you the Ryan ‘s’ or ‘p’ Sproull that is quoted at wikipedia or on some ‘quotes’ website – on the matter of Atheism?

    You might be thinking of RC Sproul, a Christian apologist who shares my initials and almost my first name. I was an amateur Christian apologist myself when I first learned of his existence, which was rather confusing. Someone on the internet asked me if I had read anything by RC Sproul and I had one of those vertigo experiences where I couldn’t understand how someone on the internet could know my initials and surname.

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  133. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    Fuckwit……”…Women who create difficulty with their fertility by delaying it, are creating an entire medical industry. The demands from these women that they should be supported by the tax payer via IVF funding is immoral…” – Monash University.

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  134. Jack5 (4,584 comments) says:

    Jim Veitch is about to give NZ soldiers another rake over for shooting Japanese prisoners of war at Featherston in World War 2. They were protesting about work party details when the guards opened fire.

    Veitch, a former Presbyterian minister with a string of theology qualifications, is now on the staff of the strategic studies centre at Wellington’s Victoria University. The MSM frequently trot out Jim Veitch as an expert on guerrilla warfare, on terrorism, or on any war like incident in which they need “dial an expert” comment.

    From an interview on RNZ’s Radio Labour today, it seems Veitch will hammer the NZ Army POW camp’s non-compliance with the Geneva Convention.

    Veitch, of course, won’t be touching on the beheading of young New Zealanders (one at a time) by the Japanese at Tarawera, of the appallingly brutal mistreatment of thousands of Allied prisoners on the Thai-Burma railway, of the Japanese military’s slave-rape of Dutch girls in Indonesia of Chinese girls in Nanking and of Korean girls everywhere, the murder of downed American pilots in Japan, and the inhuman experiments on POWs and Chinese by the Japanese military in Manchuria during World War 2, of Japanese troops using captured prisoners for organised bayonet practice.

    This, from Wikipedia, gives some balance to the Featherston shooting being studied by Veitch:

    The Empire of Japan, which had signed but never ratified the Second Geneva Convention of 1929, also did not treat prisoners of war in accordance with international agreements, including provisions of the Hague Conventions (1899 and 1907), either during the Second Sino-Japanese War or during the Pacific War because the Japanese viewed surrender as dishonorable. Moreover, according to a directive ratified on 5 August 1937 by Hirohito, the constraints of the Hague Conventions were explicitly removed on Chinese prisoners.

    Prisoners of war from China, the United States, Australia, Britain, Canada, India, the Netherlands, New Zealand and the Philippines held by the Japanese armed forces were subject to murder, beatings, summary punishment, brutal treatment, forced labour, medical experimentation, starvation rations and poor medical treatment. The most notorious use of forced labour was in the construction of the Burma–Thailand Death Railway. After March 20, 1943, the Imperial Navy was under orders to execute all prisoners taken at sea.

    According to the findings of the Tokyo Tribunal, the death rate of Western prisoners was 27.1%, seven times that of POWs under the Germans and Italians. The death rate of Chinese was much larger.

    Stop hammering the good guys, Veitch.

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  135. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    Thanks Ryan, I saw it a while back and thought it maybe you.

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  136. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    More or less immoral than having children younger and at a time of life when they become reliant upon taxpayer susbsidies to support them?

    Oops, I forgot:

    ^Fuckwit -

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  137. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    “How was the steam created?”

    Lusty photoshoots?

    Seriously, if you’re going to blame early 20th century warming on GHG emissions I’m just going to the pub.

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  138. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    Thanks Ryan, I saw it a while back and thought it maybe you.

    He’s a pretty clever guy, if you’re into Christian apologetics. Calvinist, though, which means some of his views aren’t universally popular among Christians.

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  139. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    From 1750 to 1940 = a shitload of fossil fuels burned in total, particularly from the late 19th century onwards

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  140. thedavincimode (6,531 comments) says:

    Rightnow

    GHG emissions caused early 20th century warming.

    Off you go now, and remember, you owe me one.

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  141. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    But going to the pub appeals anyway.

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  142. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    “…He’s a pretty clever guy, if you’re into Christian apologetics….’

    I don’t stray to far from Bill Muellenburg. :cool:

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  143. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    “….More or less immoral than having children younger and at a time of life when they become reliant upon taxpayer susbsidies to support them?….”

    Then support the strengthening of the Marriage Act.

    “…Work hard, save your money, and support the police.” – Maggie Thatcher.

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  144. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    I don’t stray to far from Bill Muellenburg.

    Well, yes. I’ve noticed :)

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  145. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    Well he does care. Although he places his views on the teachings of Christ, he is also saying that people should do the right thing by themselves, and in the scheme of people living ‘ordinary lives’ – mum dad and kids facing ordinary problems daily-it’s a good simple message. It leads to living a full, productive, satisfying life.The Masons I think, believe that people should do the same.

    {Ryan, sorry I’ve got to go out, it’s been good talking and hope to catch up later. cheers.}

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  146. Ryan Sproull (7,028 comments) says:

    Well he does care. Although he places his views on the teachings of Christ, he is also saying that people should do the right thing by themselves, and in the scheme of people living ‘ordinary lives’ – mum dad and kids facing ordinary problems daily-it’s a good simple message. It leads to living a full, productive, satisfying life.The Masons I think, believe that people should do the same.

    More or less. We’re a bit non-specific as to religion, and talking about politics and/or religion is off-limits at meetings. Probably because it might turn into Kiwiblog comments :)

    {Ryan, sorry I’ve got to go out, it’s been good talking and hope to catch up later. cheers.}

    You too. Have a good weekend.

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  147. axeman (251 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,933) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    From The Australian, THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri admits the world hasn’t warmed in 17 years, and that it’s OK to dispute and question the science.

    Yeah the Indian train driver seems to be able to accept it. However what’s the bet the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot gwiffucknuckle will still be spinning the usual bullshit CAGW line :-)

    SCEPTICS
    “First they tried to convince us with the evidence
    Then when we showed the evidence didn’t support them, they manufactured the evidence
    Then when we explained that their “evidence” didn’t prove their case
    … They tried to tell us we (the majority) were the ill-informed minority
    Then when it became clear we were far from ill-informed and far less a small minority.
    They tried to ridicule us
    Then when we laughed at their attempts to ridicule us
    They tried to sue us
    Then when they realised that threatening to sue when the evidence supported us
    They tried to tell us we were mad. etc.
    Finally … in the face of overwhelming evidence and lack of public interest in their non-science they get over their tantrum, they stop writing idiotic papers to journals and stop helping to write ridiculous articles for journalists … it all goes quiet
    and then they try to pretend it never happened.”

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  148. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    harawira scum…all up shit creek without a paddle..oh dear..what a shame..aint karma a bitch.

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  149. kowtow (7,614 comments) says:

    Jack 5

    re Allies are the bad guys.

    It never fails to amaze me at how many dipsticks get in behind “memorials” etc to killed enemy POWs. It’s happened in Aus too.Usually there’s a bit of a stink locally to the memorial ,which then gets renamed as a “Peace garden” or some such,and who can argue against that?

    But we all know it’s really to remind us all how bad the Allies were,after all we bombed Hiroshima and nagasaki,and we’ll never be allowed to forget that.

    Pinko lefty peacenik wankers.

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  150. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Have any of you got your census papers?

    Is it not amazing that, if you are a Murri, a page in the instructions is there to help you work out what your lineage is but if you are a honky you are assumed to be smart enough to calculate it yourself?

    Always knew Murri were dumb! :)

    Now it is obviously official government policy to treat them as such!! :) :)

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  151. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Surprise!.

    http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/10/surprise-poll-shows-catholics-favor-legal-recognition-of-gay-relationships-at-higher-than-average-ra.html

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  152. Andrei (2,500 comments) says:

    Fiddling polls is the oldest trick in the activists book Cha

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  153. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    I’m waiting for more revelations on the gay Cardinals sex ring in the Vatican before I decide if Benedict has Alzheimer’s or is just a little smart German cookie! :)

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  154. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Fiddling polls is the oldest trick in the activists book Cha

    Yes, that Conservative activist, the Craig chap, he’s been known to fiddle polls.

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  155. wat dabney (3,671 comments) says:

    So, Griff.

    Will you now concede that there have been 16 years – sorry, make that 17 – with no temperature increase?

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  156. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Johnboy, are you referring to “the breach of the sixth and seven commandments”? Aka bonking and banking.

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  157. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Indeed PG.

    I am only guilty of number ten and only then by vague association as sheep are not specifically mentioned! :)

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  158. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Sorry Griff! I’m sure it was an honest mistake. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u2flaa9nnzwxy9x/climate%201.jpg

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  159. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    So the appallingly named “Happy Feet Two” didn’t make it. No feel good story for the kiddies this time…
    What the hell are they going to call the next penguin that washes up on a beach… Happy Feet Three?
    Where does this ‘Happy Feet’ obsession end? Is Happy Feet XXVI going to wash up one day?

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  160. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Hope he washes up near my beach! :)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17371543

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  161. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    After going to the hospital for a routine checkup, a man is devastated when he finds out he has the rare deadly disease B55. The doctor tells him that he only has one week to live.

    After going home to come to terms with the news the man decides that he is not going to waste his last week alive so he and his wife go out to housie. While he is there he decides to buy a couple of cards. First of all he gets one line and wins $250. Then he gets two lines and wins $10,000. Then he gets a full house and wins the holiday of a lifetime for two. At the end of the round the housie caller comes up to him and said, “You must be the luckiest man in the world! You have just won $10250 and the holiday of a lifetime in just one game.”

    “I’m not that fortunate,” replied the man. “I’ve got B55.”

    The housie caller’s face turns to shock and he says, “You lucky bastard! You’ve won the meat raffle as well!”

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  162. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull (5,436) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm What he said:

    I love you, Harriet.

    What he was thinking: *biggest bell-end this side of Big fuckin Ben*

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  163. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    So the appallingly named “Happy Feet Two” didn’t make it.

    Was Gareth Morgan seen lurking nearby?

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  164. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Is Harriet like a pastey white thing full of tasteless warm mince then?

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  165. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Man, I feel like a woman. Does my arse look big in these dykveralls? Hey, where’s the chicks’ changing rooms buddy? Point this me in the yeah right direction oh purleeeease. Boooyaaah!!!

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  166. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    Reid

    The cat did it! :)

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  167. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    Where does this ‘Happy Feet’ obsession end?

    When the revolution comes and the Seven Sharp and Campbell Live people go up against the wall.

    What he was thinking: *biggest bell-end this side of Big fuckin Ben*

    The dark side of feminism. Fat arses look fine in jeans…

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  168. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    The answer of course to all these PC extremists is that every lifeform gets their own individual changing cubicle. Practical issue solved. You’ll just have to be contented staring at your own junk now sunshine.

    The issue of who’s got a ‘man’s’ or a ‘woman’s’ brain etc.

    I sure aint no authority on that minefield but personally I think a lot of that ‘I’m trapped in the wrong body’ malarky is a very special rich deep dark shade of Ghana cocoa shit and uncommonly solid in composition.

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  169. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Reid (13,052) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    So the appallingly named “Happy Feet Two” didn’t make it.

    Was Gareth Morgan seen lurking nearby?

    Did you need him for his crittercull thinking?

    Yes, that pun really did just happen.

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  170. Yvette (2,689 comments) says:

    An absolute fucking nightmare for Gareth –
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdsDm0p720
    even the music is a killer

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  171. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I think I’m going to get all of my intellectual stimulation from episodes of 20/20.

    You’re just not up with the play if you’re not informed about important issues like:

    1) male strippers. Has your mother seen you strip? Does penis size ever come up as a talking point? (credit where credit’s due- they do ask the hard questions)

    2) heavy sidekicks- celebrities with so much gravity they suck fat assistants towards them and then assistants also get their 15 minutes of fame by catching the appearance obsessed nature of their employers and losing half their bodyweight in fat.

    3) The latest diet fad.

    4) Gym scam. Pretty hot models get better membership deals than blurgh looking fat models. Dime can come up with a smart-arse remark for that piece.

    5) Online marketer scam. Using images and names with no permission. So… just a crime story then.

    6) Toni Braxton. Making a comeback at forty mumble. Is she C list of D list as once upon a time singers go?

    What the fuck was that shit? Yeah I had it on…. I had it on. And that’s about it.

    And the little wee fluff face that does the pointless intros? Oh, if you don’t mute her it’s a capital crime. Stupid tart.

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  172. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Gareth devrait apprendre juste à vous allonger et profiter de chatte Yvette! :)

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  173. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    ‘People will give up a MacBook Air for this’: Google challenges Apple with high-end laptop

    Google on Thursday unveiled a touchscreen notebook computer designed for high-end users, throwing down a gauntlet for Apple and its MacBooks.

    Google said its Chromebook Pixel computers blending tablet and laptop technology, boasting heavyweight Intel chips and screens tailored for rich graphics, were released in the United States and Britain, starting at $US1299 ($A1267).

    When Chromebooks were first introduced, then Google chief executive Eric Schmidt predicted that “cloud computing will define computing as we all know it”

    Shifting operating software to banks of servers on the internet means that Google tends to matters such as updating programs and fending off hackers and malicious software.

    “So far, we have been in a world that is pretty straight forward: Chromebook laptops and Android tablets,” Pichai said. “Once you start building a touch laptop, the lines blur but we are doing both.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/hometech/people-will-give-up-a-macbook-air-for-this-google-challenges-apple-with-highend-laptop-20130222-2ev3w.html#ixzz2LbxkcGDN
    ————————————
    Why we need more and more cable including another decent offshore on to the other side of the world.
    Banks of servers Ha?
    We could power those suckers instead of beneficiaries

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  174. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Time we decided to tax Google a little more! :)

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  175. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I met griff today at my local set of shops. He was young white and foreign sounding- the accent gave him away because I could easily understand what he was saying- and wanted people to sign a petition to ‘save the Arctic’.

    Is that a wind-up or what? He’s just there *trying* to push me further through the bottom of the ‘life is futile and meaningless’ well.

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  176. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    They’re triers.

    http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/op-eds/iran-centrifuge-magnet-story-technically-questionable

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  177. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I don’t know about you- but I reckon the biggest surprise there is in life is that the poshest sounding English speaking humanoid on the planet is ironically an Islander. Tongan royalty. Makes the Queen sound like Sue Bradford.

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  178. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Griff is Welsh lad. No wonder he sounded foreign! :)

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  179. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    Crowded Singapore views underground homes

    From: AAP
    February 22, 2013 6:35PM

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    TINY land scarce Singapore is projecting its population to swell by a third over the next two decades.

    To accommodate the influx, its planners envisage expanding upward, outward and downward.

    The population target of 6.9 million people is contentious in a country where rapid immigration has already strained services such as public transport and contributed to a widening wealth gap.

    It sparked a rare protest last week, with some 3,000 people gathering in a park that’s the only approved area for demonstrations.

    Singaporeans fear their falling birth rates combined with the relentless immigration will reduce them to a minority in their own country.

    Adding a new dimension to their complaints is the idea that planners want underground living to leap off their drawing boards and become a solution to overcrowding.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/crowded-singapore-views-underground-homes/story-fn3dxix6-1226583781394
    ———————————

    Ahhh Reedy’s nirvana

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  180. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8340596/10-500-fine-for-fishing-boats-secret-dumping

    Cognitive dissonance: I’m pissed off that these shady second-class stinky slinks dump something I’ve never heard of but sounds quite cool in some twisted way ‘bilge’ into the sacred pristine waters that cradle this fine country.

    And yet… it’s one fuck of a big ocean eh? Seriously… how much damage are we talking about here?

    And how many times can these goons flout the law before you tell them to take their ship and piss off?

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  181. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    Stop giving Len ideas V2! :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Park_tunnels

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  182. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Viking2 (8,860) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    pakeha jafas Singaporeans fear their falling birth rates combined with the relentless immigration will reduce them to a minority in their own country.

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  183. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    They are mostly contracted to those guardians of the Taonga of the ocean the Murri LRaC.

    It’s their ocean. Te Tiriti says so. They can shit in it if they like. It’s Key and Finlaysons policy. Get used to it! :)

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  184. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Johnboy (9,892) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    It’s their ocean. Te Tiriti says so. They can shit in it if they like.

    It’s my ocean and I’ll shit if I want to, shit if I want to… shit if I want to. You… would… shit…. too if it be-longed to-oo yo-ou. da da da…. daaaaa

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  185. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And for something a little different.

    Is there any relationship between transgender offspring and incest ?

    i do have a reason for asking which i will explain if the question provokes any interest.

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  186. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    No sheep that I may have knowledge of are members of my own family Beryl. :)

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  187. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    I’ve yet to see DPF bragging informing folks of his sports quiz results.

    I just got a dismal 4/15. I scored so many flukes they might bloody drench me.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/8333680/Sports-Quiz-February-22

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  188. Viking2 (11,128 comments) says:

    More on Morgans moggies as predators.
    The Cat and the Crocodile.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/video-captures-standoff-between-cat-and-crocodile/story-e6frfq80-1226583193154

    Never smile at a crocodile —-
    Cat wins

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  189. nasska (10,659 comments) says:

    According to the God Squad abstinence is the only answer JB. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5mqpggs4n9nwb98/sheepNO.gif

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  190. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    This is getting more than embarrassing for the Harawira family.

    Now ONE News can confirm even more of the Harawira family are facing charges ranging from assault to aggravated robbery.

    Hone Harawira’s son Hone Puripiri Harawira, 38, is due in court next week accused of wilful damage and threatening behaviour.

    He has also been charged with assault with a weapon in a separate case.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hone-harawira-s-son-facing-raft-charges-5349626

    Hone could be excused for responsibility for his nephews, and he’s also not responsible for his sone at that age, but it’s not a good look for him or his wider family.

    And violent attitudes do often come from within families.

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  191. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    I can’t hold my breath much longer for Beryls revelation nasska! :)

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  192. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    “And violent attitudes do often come from within families.”

    Quite right PG. The opposite can occur too.

    My dad “Johndad” was such a kindly farmer he stayed up all night with the xmas lamb and kissed it before he cut it’s throat.

    I must have inherited something from him! :)

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  193. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    First thing, is to a get definition understood so we all know what we are talking about.

    By transgender i mean a kid, say a 12/14 years old that just to look at, regardless of attire
    you would not be able to say if they were male or female or a mix of both.

    i’ve seen such kids who were the product of incest between their mother and her grandfather and some
    their mother and her father.

    How common is this ?

    Anyone know ?
    Or is this a fact which is supressed due to P.C.

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  194. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    @bereal

    Transgender people have a deep seated belief that they are not the gender into which they were born i.e. Male->Female and Female->Male.

    It has nothing at all to do with incest.

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  195. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    gump
    that is why i pointed out that it is fundamental to a discussion on a topic such as this that we get our definitions
    aligned.
    You seem to believe transgender has nothing to do with physical atributes and everything to do with mental
    conviction.
    That is where we differ and why i realise that your conclusion that it can have nothing to do with incest means nothing.
    Too late 2nite to continue, we can pick it up some other time if you want.

    Meanwhile my question hangs.
    Is there any relationship between transgender and incest ?

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  196. gump (1,487 comments) says:

    @bereal

    Transgenderism is a psychological condition. There may well be an underlying physiological difference in brain structure, but there’s no evidence to support this.

    There is no relationship between transgender and incest. I can’t even begin to fathom why you think that there is.

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  197. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hi gump

    i’m not saying i think there is.

    i’m wondering aloud if there may be.

    Some children i have observed who were the product of incest as i described above
    appeared androgynous

    Maybe androgynous was the term i should have used rather than transgender.

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