http://www.manataka.org/page1315.html

Ireland’s liberal elites have turned their attention to the Church and it’s scandals. While not denying these terrible things happened it is now fashionable to highlight how “liberal” one is by taking an anti Church position.

The point has been well made in the past that these institutions were run by the Church ,on behalf of the state.Arguably practically the whole of Irish society at the time may have a case to answer,not simply the Catholic Church.

Regarding the comparison with the Soviet Gulag – apparently they were only begun in 1930. So yes one year later they had only 200,000 prisoners. But by the beginning of World War II they had over 1 million and Stalin busily expanded that number after World War II. So there is no comparison between what happened in Ireland and what happened in the soviet union. And there is the small detail that they were worked to death in the Gulag and shot in the Gulag and tortured in the Gulag systematically. Apparently something like one third of prisoners died under the Soviet system.

And let’s not forget communism was to blame. But the religious position that underpins communism is atheism. So we could say that because of atheism millions of people were imprisoned in the Soviet Gulag and hundreds of thousands, if not millions died.

If Russia had remained Christian then nothing like the scale of imprisonments and massacres would have occurred. The secret police under the Russians Tsar were amateurs in comparison.

This was our Great Purge, our way of establishing religious, social and moral “purity” by locking up and “correcting” potential deviants. This level of “coercive confinement” is extreme for any democratic society. In 1931, the Soviet gulag held about 200,000 prisoners – from a population of 165 million.

The Irish system held 31,000 people – from a population of three million.

I am not, I should stress, comparing the two systems directly or suggesting that Ireland was a totalitarian dictatorship – merely trying to give some sense of the relative scale of the operation.

Relative indeed
One had Communism to blame.
The other that fount of all morality …..the catholic church!

The police are the proper authority to deal with law breakers. There is no need for extending police powers to a new standalone branch of law enforcement.

Euro debt crisis looms again as Italians defy EU austerity demands

The eurozone’s debt crisis strategy was in chaos on Monday night after anti-austerity parties appeared on track to win a majority of seats in the Italian parliament, vastly complicating efforts to forge a government able to carry through EU-imposed reforms.

In an earthquake result, the Five Star protest movement of comedian Beppe Grillo looked likely to emerge as the biggest single party in the lower house. The scourge of bankers and corrupt elites, Mr Grillo has campaigned for a return to the lira and a restructuring of Italy’s €1.9 trillion (£1.64 trillion) public debt.

The conservative bloc of ex-premier Silvio Berlusconi looked poised to win the senate, coming back from the political grave with vows to rip up the EU’s austerity plans and push through tax cuts to pull Italy out of deep slump.

“The majority of Italians have clearly voted against the Brussels consensus. That is a damning indictment,” said Mats Persson from Open Europe.

I still have a few Italian Lira lying around …

It may be a dumb argument, Reid, if I was making it.
I was simply saying the marriage brand is somewhat fucked now

Anything so long as it doesn’t scare the horses

Johnboy waiting patiently at the altar in a veil would scare ‘em

A tragedy, keep it from the children & declare a day of national mourning. Fortunately we have a senior representative to take our case to the UN……Oh wait!

I was wondering if we could get hold of it for the next Kaimanua round-up around the desert road. I imagine those horses would simply gallop into the waiting arms of the nearest roustabout at first sight. Probably paw them to death trying to madly get away.

Plus there might be an amusing “accident” with the odd stray shell.

What a twagedy!

An national international calamity.

It is my fervent & sincere wish that the Marriage Act should be altered to cater for your “special” perversions that you so graphically listed.

Anything so long as it doesn’t scare the horses. *

*With acknowledgement & thanks to the late Trevor DeCleene.

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Andrei, can you give a sound reason why a gay couple who wish to get married should be denied that legal right?

pete, Can you give me a sound reason why two siblings who wish to get married should be denied that legal right?

Can you give a sound reason why three people who wish to get married should be denied that legal right?

Can you give a sound reason why [insert relationship combination of your choice] who wish to get married should be denied that legal right?

So your argument is that because since the sixties, when feminism got started on it, the marriage brand as it now is today is damaged, therefore it’s not worth saving?

That’s a pretty dumb argument Sofia.

Perhaps you should look at what happened to Apple, in its “wilderness years” before Jobs took back the helm.

But that’s trivial, by comparison to marriage.

However, good to see you didn’t address any of the substantive points I made. You can’t really, can you. It’s very simple, isn’t it.

Only useless idiots morons don’t get it. Perhaps it’s all that weeping and wailing and rending their clothes, over the humanity of it all.

Too bad the same useless idiot morons don’t think about their own kids isn’t it, when they’re thinking about “the humanity.”

But that would require an IQ above room temperature wouldn’t it. Perhaps that’s why there’s such a high level of useless moron idiocy surrounding this issue.