General Debate 25 February 2013

February 25th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    God doesn’t exist
    Global warming does
    :lol:

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  2. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    Ralph Hotere, a Northland Maori in Otago. Great to have had a NZ artistic celebrity in Dunedin as a rebalance to the Auckland centric-ness of everything. Who will take up his South is. mantle?

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  3. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Oh
    Griff’s in arson mode :P

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  4. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    It seems that Shearer may announce a reshuffle today. Strengthening his front bench while rejuvenating will be a major challenge, but his biggest challenge may be whether he can repair divisions. He hasn’t shown signs of managing this yet, and some are predicting he will reward loyalty and punish those who voted against him in a supposedly secret ballot.

    Remarkably IrishBill has claimed:

    In a late rule change they added the whip (Chris Hipkins) to the ballot count.

    That’s the Chippy who chipped in with a blast at Cunliffe and said his…

    …allies should also “take a long, hard look at themselves”.

    Shearer should be putting together a lineup that looks capable of credibly challenging for the Government benches.

    This reshuffle may define his political future. Shearer’s reshuffle challenges.

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  5. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Anyone know somewhere in Wellington to get CO2 cylinders and cylinder refills? Needs to be food grade, prefer 5kg cylinders.

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  6. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    What is the truth on job losses?

    Unions say there are many jobs already gone, and many more on the way.

    But, unions are hardly impartial commentators. Nor are national who are saying more jobs are being created (where?) than lost .

    It appears many companies are hitting the perfect storm conditions, where 3 things come together to sink them when in isolation they’d be sweet.

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  7. CHFR (229 comments) says:

    Try BOC gasses for the fill. Hunting and Fishing in Allicetown do them as well but not sure of food grade.

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    The Fun Police was out in force at Eden Park on Saturday. Some of the security was over the top from where we sat; there was never a threat of things getting out of hand, and people were getting kicked out of the ground for simply having fun.

    New Zealand Cricket needs to tell Eden Park security personnel to pull their heads in if they actually want people to turn up to the cricket. Sure; the security guys should intervene if there’s can-throwing, fights, abuse and the like, but the mood on Saturday was great until they started throwing their weight around.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/over-zealous-security.html

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  9. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    RightNow
    See:
    http://www.boc.co.nz/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/nz-boc-industrial-store/gas/hospitality-gases

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  10. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Griff (4,341) Says:

    February 25th, 2013 at 8:04 am
    God doesn’t exist
    Global warming does

    And both are positions of faith, rather than evidence.

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  11. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    Bloody do-gooders pushing for more nanny-statism: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/soda_ban_to_sap_your_4t5pEK0hvo3PoNZEBOdZ2L

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  12. James Stephenson (2,174 comments) says:

    And both are positions of faith, rather than evidence.

    No, they’re two different ways of dealing with a lack of evidence.

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  13. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    So Dime was in a supermarket over the weekend. Its brand new. Its one of the chain ones, company owned.

    Every employee was Indian. The 3 in the deli section, the 3 walking around the store, the 5 at checkout.

    How is that possible? I remember the news article about x amount of people applying for jobs.

    What are the odds that every employee would be from one ethnic group?

    If only white people were employed, youd think their HR department would be all over it..

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  14. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    I heard some ad on ZB this morning about “no more pokies in auckland”.

    They finish up with something along the lines of “for those who care about our childrens future” lol wtf???

    i could maybe accept “for those who care about the future of some people who cant control their gambling”

    as it stands, dont pokies pay for little johnnys cricket pads? etc etc etc

    so really, when youre drunk out of your mind and gamble $100 and lose at some pub.. you really are “thinking of the children”

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  15. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    How many of them are overstayers?
    The same sort of thing is happening all over NZ Dime.
    There is also the issue of international students being able to work 20 hrs a week. It used to be 15 hrs..this is all work that young NZ born people could be doing..Recently an AK i/ student was in the Herald saying he was working 50 hrs per week..He seemed to have no qualms re breaking the law in NZ nor any fear of anyone following him up..The student visa is being misused as a means to come here and work.

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  16. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    joana – probably none?!

    they are all really nice. its just odd to all be indian

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  17. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    “Mr Llewellyn would not comment what equipment was used during attempts to resuscitate the Air New Zealand passenger, saying the airport would not comment on individual medical cases for privacy reasons”

    Air NZ are PC cowards, using the privacy act to hide information that is of interest . Especially to people of lesser health who are flying Air NZ.

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  18. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Thanks CHFR and peterwn, have checked out BOC but was hoping there were alternatives.

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  19. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    I don’t get the line that if Sky City has more pokies people will gamble more?
    It isn’t like there are cues so people can’t gamble while they have to wait.

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  20. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    There is also the issue of international students being able to work 20 hrs a week. It used to be 15 hrs..this is all work that young NZ born people could be doing..

    The key word there is “could”. If NZ born people were interested, they would be doing it. Foreigners have more challenges finding work than locals do. Many guests to our country come from places with no social safety nets and bring with them a different work ethic. Work or starve.

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  21. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Lance (1,739) Says:

    February 25th, 2013 at 10:10 am
    I don’t get the line that if Sky City has more pokies people will gamble more?
    It isn’t like there are cues so people can’t gamble while they have to wait.

    And people will drink more if there are more liquor outlets… apparently.

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  22. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @wreck1080

    Just because someone dies of a heart attack doesn’t automatically make them unfit or medically compromised before the event.
    I knew of a number of people who were as fit as buck rats and dropped dead of a heat attack. Two of them regular marathon runners and both in early 50’s.

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  23. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    BBC report on forgotten Haiti and how the UN has betrayed the island

    The UN tells Haiti: “Tough luck”

    This is a story we first covered over a year ago when it was just a “conspiracy theory.”

    Yes, UN peacekeeper troops brought cholera to Haiti and are responsible for the biggest outbreak the of the disease in modern times.

    They’re response to request for compensation for thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands cases is: “too bad.”

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/health-and-medical-1/the-un-tells-haiti-tough-luck.html

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  24. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Power bills ‘gouging’ as prices fall
    nothing new, they are quick to raise prices but slow to lower them, that is how they make extra profit. raise priceses instantly before your actual cost go up so you have a month or 2 of extra profit, lower prices a month or 2 after your costs go down. Same happens with petrol and most other things. But before they lower them they will claim costs went back up and they will never lower prices. We all knew this would happen.
    “According to Electricity Authority figures, the wholesale electricity price was recently trading at $73 per megawatt hour, well short of the $131/MWh seen at the same time last year. However, the benefit of this power glut is not being seen on power bills. ” no idea why people are surprised, this is normal.

    That is a 44% drop, yet our prices keep going up

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8345694/Power-bills-gouging-as-prices-fall?cid=edm%3Astuff%3Adailyheadlines

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  25. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    Dime: Perhaps the Indians were the ones who turned up to the interview on time, freshly showered, dressed well, didn’t have bits of wire through their faces or visible tatts, and politely answered the questions asked of them – in their second language?

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  26. Carlos (683 comments) says:

    @Dime @ David Garret

    I remember when I moved back to Auckland in 2010 and went to the Wendy’s on Queen St in Auckland. There were 13 staff and every single one was of South Asian (i.e. Indian looking) ethnicity. I thought that a little strange.

    Turns out that it’s mostly friends introducing friends to take their place when they leave or when they hear of a new spot available.

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  27. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    BILLIONAIRE Tells Americans To Prepare For ‘FINANCIAL RUIN”

    Despite the 6.5% stock market rally over the last three months, a handful of billionaires are quietly dumping their American stocks . . . and fast.

    Warren Buffett, who has been a cheerleader for U.S. stocks for quite some time, is dumping shares at an alarming rate. He recently complained of “disappointing performance” in dyed-in-the-wool American companies like Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Kraft Foods.

    In the latest filing for Buffett’s holding company Berkshire Hathaway, Buffett has been drastically reducing his exposure to stocks that depend on consumer purchasing habits. Berkshire sold roughly 19 million shares of Johnson & Johnson, and reduced his overall stake in “consumer product stocks” by 21%. Berkshire Hathaway also sold its entire stake in California-based computer parts supplier Intel.

    With 70% of the U.S. economy dependent on consumer spending, Buffett’s apparent lack of faith in these companies’ future prospects is worrisome.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/billionaire-tells-americans-to-prepare-for-financial-ruin/

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  28. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    dime (5,592) Says:
    February 25th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    So Dime was in a supermarket over the weekend. Its brand new. Its one of the chain ones, company owned.

    Every employee was Indian. The 3 in the deli section, the 3 walking around the store, the 5 at checkout.

    How is that possible? I remember the news article about x amount of people applying for jobs.

    What are the odds that every employee would be from one ethnic group?

    If only white people were employed, youd think their HR department would be all over it..

    —————————–
    It would seen that The Australian based & owned stores have this as policy throughout Australia and here.
    Our locals are going that way and a supervisor from here that I know went to Brisbane and couldn’t get a job because the Indians have taken over. Perhaps that company now have many Indian Owners.

    Grubby bastards in the food standards department as well I can tell you. Granddaughter has worked for them for a few years and you want to hear the stories that are arising. Supermarket food standards have gone compared to what used to apply in the old Woolworths and Foodtown. They were quite stringent and spent money ion staff training around food saftey as well as ensuring their suppliers did the same.
    Australians have never cared a stuff about food quality and they don’t appear to have any quality standards when it comes to food Quality.

    their pies are shit as well.

    too big to care these days.

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  29. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    The business will be owned by an Indian family, and the workers will all be part of that family and or their friends. In that context there is nothing wrong with it, as its what any business owner might choose to do re employees or shareholders.

    What is offending the retard Dime is that Indians are taking over what he regards as his territory. He doesn’t know that the battle was lost years ago with the rise in our own midst of progressives like himself, who because of their disdain for their own culture, created a vacuum that other cultures have filled.

    Its that simple. White Europeans haven’t got a culture, except one that is disintegrating and derelict, and other stronger cultures will therefore become ascendant.

    Get used to it losers. Its only just started. Its part of the legacy of progressivism.

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  30. wreck1080 (3,905 comments) says:

    @lance — yeah I get that — (off topic but there is recent research suggesting excessive running can cause heart attacks).

    My point being is why are Air NZ using the privacy act to suppress the details of the resuscitation attempt?

    Maybe passengers would like to know whether staff have equipment and training to deal with such events.

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  31. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Red has a point. The funny thing is that the left, who adore non Europeans, seem to have overlooked that many immigrants are extremelly far right. They may not consider themselves as such, but they are. Most other cultures are very free market & money oriented. You stand on your own two feet or you starve. You get nothing from the state. Not a thing. Hardly the sort of ideology supported by the left. They also have some confronting views concerning “womins” rights.

    I reckon we should bring more of them in.

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  32. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Yeah Dime – that vacuum is called abortion and gayness.

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  33. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    He seemed to have no qualms re breaking the law in NZ nor any fear of anyone following him up..The student visa is being misused as a means to come here and work.

    Ahhhhhhh yes. The hideous crime of working.

    I have to laugh at seeing our courts full of unemployed druggies, theives and other useless types, all on a benefit, while amongst it all a few chaps appear for harvesting grapes or vegs without a permit, preventing them rotting on the vine because the locals were too lazy to help out.

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  34. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Its that simple. White Europeans haven’t got a culture

    Most have fallen victim to the trojan horse ideologies of the new left – radical egalitarianism and radical individualism.

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  35. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    hinamanu (2,168) Says:

    February 25th, 2013 at 10:17 am
    BBC report on forgotten Haiti and how the UN has betrayed the island

    The UN tells Haiti: “Tough luck”

    This is a story we first covered over a year ago when it was just a “conspiracy theory.”

    Yes, UN peacekeeper troops brought cholera to Haiti and are responsible for the biggest outbreak the of the disease in modern times.

    They’re response to request for compensation for thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands cases is: “too bad.”

    I agree that the UN should not be in Haiti. They should be left to rot in their own filth. No country is less worthy of assistance. The earthquake made no real difference to that shit-hole, other than to increase the amount of foreign aid. No duty of care is owed to Haiti, no compensation is required. Let them reap what they sowed, then maybe they will wake up and join the human race one day.

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  36. maxwell (55 comments) says:

    Currently doing the rounds –

    A Canadian female libertarian wrote a lot of letters to the Canadian government, complaining about the treatment of captive insurgents (terrorists) being held in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities. She demanded a response to her letter correspondence.

    She received back the following reply:

    National Defense Headquarters
    M Gen George R. Pearkes Bldg.,15 NT
    101 Colonel By Drive
    Ottawa,ON K1A 0K2
    Canada

    Dear Concerned Citizen,

    Thank you for your recent letter expressing your profound concern of treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists captured by Canadian Forces who were subsequently transferred to the Afghanistan Government and are currently being held by Afghan officials in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities.

    Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinions were heard loudly and clearly here in Ottawa. You will be pleased to learn, thanks to the concerns of citizens like yourself, we are creating a new department here at the Department of National Defense, to be called ‘Libertarians Accept Responsibility for Killers’ program, or L.A.R.K. for short.

    In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to divert one terrorist and place him in your personal care. Your personal detainee has been selected and is scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence in Toronto next Monday.

    Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of complaint!

    It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter. Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his ‘attitudinal problem’ will help him overcome these character flaws.

    Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. Please advise any Jewish friends, neighbors or relatives about your house guest, as he might get agitated or even violent, but we are sure you can reason with him. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up,unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

    Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property thereby having no rights, including refusal of his sexual demands. This is a particularly sensitive subject for him and he has been known to show violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that he will “recommend” as more appropriate attire.

    I’m sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burka over time. Just remember that it is all part of ‘respecting his culture and religious beliefs’ as described in your letter.

    Thanks again for your concern. We truly appreciate it when folks like you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job and care for our fellow man. You take good care of Ahmed and remember we’ll be watching.

    Good luck and God bless you,

    Cordially,

    Gordon O’Connor
    Minister of National Defense
    ———————————————-

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  37. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “There is also the issue of international students being able to work 20 hrs a week. ” – i have to admit, whenever ive put a job on student job search ($17.50 an hour), ive only had foreign people apply. I have hired one korean dude and one chinese girl.

    “The business will be owned by an Indian family, and the workers will all be part of that family and or their friends.”

    its a countdown. owned by progressive.

    “What is offending the retard Dime is that Indians are taking over what he regards as his territory.”

    im actually not offended as such. i just find it a touch racist.

    the warehouse next to the countdown opened the same day. they have all sorts of races in there. the entire mall opened the same weekend.

    i think its more that there was one indian person in HR. my point being all hell would break lose if only blonde white people were employed.

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  38. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    harriet – my ex-gf had an abortion 5 years ago. we could have had it, raised it. we had the resources etc.. but to be honest, we just wanted to know what it felt like to kill a baby…

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  39. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    As I say- Progressives are a waste of time:

    http://truebluenz.com/2013/02/23/progressives-and-the-futility-of-persuasion/

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  40. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The 18 Most Suppressed Inventions Ever

    Perhaps the most notorious suppressed invention is the General Motors EV1, subject of the 2006 documentary, Who Killed the Electric Car? The EV1 was the world’s first mass-produced electric car, with 800 of them up for lease from GM in the late ’90s. GM ended the EV1 line in 1999, stating that consumers weren’t happy with the limited driving range of the car’s batteries, making it unprofitable to continue production.

    Many skeptics, however, believe GM killed the EV1 under pressure from oil companies, who stand to lose the most if high-efficiency vehicles conquer the market. It didn’t help that GM hunted down and destroyed every last EV1, ensuring the technology would die out.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/the-18-most-suppressed-inventions-ever/

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  41. Fletch (6,373 comments) says:

    Speaking of electric cars and such, scientists have come up with a new battery made of graphene that could change the world.
    It charges VERY quickly, and holds a charge just as long as a normal battery but can be disposed of in your compost, as it’s mostly graphite. A cellphone with the new battery would charge in just 30 seconds.

    http://vimeo.com/51873011

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  42. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Lance (1,741) Says:
    February 25th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    I don’t get the line that if Sky City has more pokies people will gamble more?
    It isn’t like there are cues so people can’t gamble while they have to wait.

    queues? red tick for jaw-dropping spelling atrocity….. apart from that you seem ok!!

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  43. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    dime at 11:54 am –

    I try to let a lot of stuff wash over me these days, it’s really not worth it – especially on a blog – but that’s pretty sick.

    I know you’re not serious (well I hope you’re not) and you’re just trying to wind harriet up, but still …

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  44. Tauhei Notts (1,711 comments) says:

    Lance at 10.10.
    Generally when people gamble with cues they are playing Kelly Pool.
    I have never seen a queue of people at the pokies in any casino that I have visited.
    The only place where I have seen all pokies busy for some time was at Alexandra Park.
    It has saddened me that New Zealanders, who have the choice to use skill, judgment and luck to pick a harness horse, prefer the mindless activity of the pokies.
    But it is the very common willingness to participate in such a mindless activity that possibly explains the popularity of Labour and the Greens.

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  45. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    “Generally when people gamble with cues they are playing Kelly Pool.”

    He has one distinction, and one distinction only, and that is that he is (as others above have recognised) one of the biggest and most worthless morons on here.

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  46. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    graham – its a doug stanhope joke.

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  47. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,148)
    February 25th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    *blink*… harsh. What do you want to do with morons? Line them up and fuckin shoot the cunts?

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  48. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    dime (5,596)
    February 25th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I’m glad I’m not the only person who notices these things. I see the same thing in quite a few places. I’ve been in NW Wellington City Chaffers St near closing time and been the only honky out of fifty people. Been in that shop on other occasions and it seemed like every checkout staff member was Asian.

    Green cabs are all driven by African blacks. All of them. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone else driving one.

    My local supermarket feels like it’s had a few white people favoured.

    With NZ being turned into a melting pot it’s interesting seeing these little pockets of ethnicities.

    I remember going to the south island in 2002; I was stunned going into a supermarket and it was 90%+ white people working in them…. amazing!!

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  49. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @LRC and tauhei notts
    “cues”
    Opps

    I plead Monday morning dyslexia.

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  50. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Moral of the Indian story by dime.
    don’t live in the cities. Come to the country.

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  51. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    @dime at 12:34 pm –

    OK, that changes things a bit, thanks for explaining.

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  52. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, would you prefer immigrants not to work in these low paid jobs ? Maybe they could comply with the cultural norms of their host country and get knocked up and go on a benefit, or something. They will really fit in then !

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  53. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    David Garrett (3,267)
    February 25th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Dime: Perhaps the Indians were the ones who turned up to the interview on time, freshly showered, dressed well, didn’t have bits of wire through their faces or visible tatts, and politely answered the questions asked of them – in their second language?

    I hope you’re being deliberately facetious David.

    Although I hate the vast majority tattoos and all piercings myself, I would say your view of them is becoming outdated. They are mainstream by sheer strength of numbers. Try going to a nightclub and finding people who have neither. I have neither and I’m obviously in a very small minority when I go to a club.

    Second language… probably not especially if they’re young. A lot of Indians come to NZ speaking English. Even if it’s not the best. And then there’s large numbers of those born in NZ now coming through second and third generation.

    But it’s a waste of time picking apart the comment point for point because it’s not a serious comment worthy of scrutiny or fair consideration.

    There’s clearly an ethnic preference shown at that supermarket that is beyond the merits or otherwise of the interview candidates.

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  54. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre , those cabbies and supermarket workers are probably more educated than the people running NZ.

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  55. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Kea (2,211)
    February 25th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    In my NW example… they’re not immigrants, they’re intl. students on student visas a lot of them.

    You see I don’t know how that came to be… you’d have to ask their employer why certain ethnicities happen to be in the jobs. I’d want to know why NW prefers certain races to others? Even if they prefer Asians… it’s obvious that they do and it’s not a great look, is it? Why isn’t it a great look? I don’t know… it’s just odd, isn’t it? This is NZ… and every checkout is manned by an Asian. Umm… yeah, ok.

    Very happy for immigrants to be working. Or international students. Or anyone.

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  56. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    Jesus, you guys just cannot get it can you.

    You have killed off the native culture. What you are seeing now is only the start. Wait for a few more years. The Indians etc will be in the Police Force, and in the Government, and they will have their own representatives in parliament.

    They will become ascendant because we in our desperate weak ignoreance, celebrate goons like Dime who undermine and white ant our own culture and make us easy prey for a more cohesive and solid culture. You are reaping the whirlwind you sowed way back when you embraced progressivism.

    White European culture will be defeated because we have defeated it ourselves from within.

    well done losers.

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  57. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Kea (2,212) 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Now you’re just talking shit. Stereotyping and generalising.

    And anyway… you’re moving off topic. It started off with… why has a supermarket chosen to employee people mostly from one minority ethnic group?

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  58. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    redbaiter – how come we are the ones responsibile and not you?

    you seem pretty complicit. or does screaming on a block and calling everyone a commie get you a pass?

    i dont care if an indian owned business is full of indians or whatever race. i expect more from a publicly listed company though. its downright strange

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  59. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Kea (2,212)
    February 25th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    I know what you’re saying- yes, there are a few very highly educated immigrants doing shitty bottom of the barrel work for whatever reason….

    Have you ever had to deal with taxi drivers mate? Most of them are insufferable FUCKTARDS of the highest fucking order.

    Educated? Dumbcunts fuckwits is more like it. You’re lucky if some of them know which way moving the steering wheel is going to take them. A lot of them are total total pricks… a lot of them aren’t my favourite people in society. They look like a bunch of miserable desperados most of them.

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  60. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    dime (5,597)
    February 25th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    its downright strange

    Amen

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  61. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    “redbaiter – how come we are the ones responsibile and not you?”

    Because you are rock bottom stupid and in that stupidity have rotted our culture.

    I have not. I have tried to conserve our culture while ignorant half educated nihilist white ants like you have in opposition worked doubly hard at destroying it.

    Every word you write here is dripping with progressive styled ignorance. You make us easy prey for any culture with a cohesive presence that IS NOT WHITE ANTING ITSELF.

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  62. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Lance (1,742)
    February 25th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    yeah, I’m forever looking up words myself for both spelling and meaning. But cue/ queue? I’m worried lance, I’m worried. It can happen to anyone I suppose….

    I’m just looking up ‘dichotomy’. And I looked up complicit which ‘Dime’ used.

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  63. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,150)
    February 25th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    that’s nice. So… got any possible answers to the ‘problem’?

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  64. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    tauhei notts:

    It has saddened me that New Zealanders, who have the choice to use skill, judgment and luck to pick a harness horse, prefer the mindless activity of the pokies.

    Could it be:
    Because the pokies can’t be rigged?.
    Because the pokies are programmed to return ~92% to the player?
    Because a milkshake tipped into a pokie machine will bugger it and not ‘juice it up’ ready to go?
    Because the pokies don’t have trainers who can tell you in advance their charge will win today?
    Because its what they choose to do with their own money?
    All of the above?
    8O

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  65. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,150) Says:
    February 25th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    Jesus, you guys just cannot get it can you.

    You have killed off the native culture.

    Never thought I would see Red sticking up for Maori culture. You big liberal lefty you.

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  66. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    You’re lucky if some of them know which way moving the steering wheel …

    Probably because he studied medicine, or computer engineering, not cab driving :)

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  67. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    China is to introduce a carbon tax.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2013-02/19/c_132178898.htm

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  68. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    It will be the local taxation authority, rather than the environmental protection department, that will collect the taxes.

    The government is also looking into the possibility of taxing energy-intensive products such as batteries, as well as luxury goods such as aircraft that are not used for public transportation”

    SPC, a government is imposing a tax on the workers. Hardly news I think.

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  69. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    “that’s nice. So… got any possible answers to the ‘problem’?”

    The answer is in theory quite simple.

    It is to restore our civil society and expand capitalism.

    The problem is in recovering from the depths we have sunk to as a culture. Its like trying to turn the Titanic before it hits the iceberg.

    The forces that will destroy us have so much momentum it will be a miracle if we can ever turn around and restore a society that was once so great.

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  70. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Tim Groser’s ability to predict what happens at the international level takes a hit as New Zealand gets excluded from the trade in carbon credits.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1302/S00226/its-official-nz-banned-from-kyoto-deals.htm

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  71. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Tauhei Notts (1,214)
    February 25th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    But it is the very common willingness to participate in such a mindless activity that possibly explains the popularity of Labour and the Greens.

    hmmm…. how many people don’t gamble at all and vote? I wonder how many different resident individuals do use a pokie machine at least once a week?

    There’s a lot of mindless activities apart from pokie machines.

    National seem to be the kind of party that is more likely to see more pokie machines in NZ, not less. Ironic if true that pokie users are generally non-National voters.

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  72. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Kea, it’s news to those selling coal to China. Stock prices for mining companies in Oz might fall etc. Solid Energy only has premium export coal and the local market left (this is why they proposed conversion to make urea etc).

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  73. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Because you are rock bottom stupid and in that stupidity have rotted our culture.”

    lmao im many things my gay curious friend but stupid is not one of them.

    theres something about being called stupid by a guy who thinks sarah palin is the answer that just cracks me up!

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  74. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    SPC, rest assured the Chinese government does not give a hoot about AGW theory. There will be other reasons for this.

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  75. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,151)
    February 25th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    The forces that will destroy us have so much momentum it will be a miracle if we can ever turn around and restore a society that was once so great.

    Some things were worse and are now better and vice versa is my say.

    It used to be illegal to be a faggot. Hello? Fuck me!!

    That was a bit vague but sure sure. I guess I’d need to revise an entire tome of Red’s philosophy and views… anyone know where I can pick up a copy?

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  76. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,151) Says:
    February 25th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    Jesus, you guys just cannot get it can you.

    You have killed off the native culture. What you are seeing now is only the start. Wait for a few more years. The Indians etc will be in the Police Force, and in the Government, and they will have their own representatives in parliament.

    Red, I am curious how you want to preserve Maori culture in the face of the onslaught from the liberal progressives (& Indians) ?

    Please supply details…

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  77. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Kea, the reason is the level of pollution in China – smog in Beijing has brought environmental safety to the top priority in their politics.

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  78. Redbaiter (8,804 comments) says:

    Y’know for once you’re right Dime, I am stupid for trying to reason with an utter gape jawed drooling knuckle dragging dumbfuck like you and the mostly similarly mentally challenged Kiwiblog General Debate crowd..

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  79. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    lol @ redbaiter.

    youre such a loser.

    you want more govt laws to restrict the activities of people
    you want a select few to be in charge
    you label anyone whos against you an idiot.

    its just sad.

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  80. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    SPC, yes your probably right. They know they have a problem. I do not think there concern is motivated by warmists however.

    dime, I think we may have formed the wrong impression about our friend Red. He is fighting for the rights of the indigenous tanga te whenua in the face of colonisation. He has identified “Indians” as a particular problem.

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  81. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,153) Says:

    February 25th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    White Europeans haven’t got a culture

    Red, do you see any place for “White Europeans” (& Indians) in Aotearoa ?

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  82. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Indians are going to have a big fight on their hands with Muslims.

    Beneath China

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  83. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?

    World-renowned educator and human rights activist Jim Garrow says that the source, man regarded as “one of America’s foremost military heroes,” told him that President Obama is using a new litmus test for “determining who will stay and who must go” among top-ranked military leaders. That test is whether they will fire on US citizens or not. Garrow says that his source made the disclosure in order to “sound the alarm” over the administration’s plans.

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  84. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    hinamanu – must you embed your garbage videos?

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  85. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Indians are going to have a big fight on their hands with Muslims.

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  86. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    … And with Red the Maori sovereignty activist.

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  87. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Howard has just made the announcment that we may see Rudd as the Labor leader because ‘in the end leadership comes down to the rules of arithmetic’.

    The look on Gillards face when the media told her was priceless.

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  88. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Dime, a better wingnut video.. .. Obama is creating a private black army to massacre White Americans,.

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  89. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    dime re Indians.

    We are now “multicultural”,it’s official. I’ve heard the PM himself say so.

    What that means is ; “Hey whitey ,fuck off .”

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  90. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Would a NZ MP be able to get away with what Yeo has apparently been allowed to do in the UK ? In NZ wouldn’t this be covered by the MP’s declaration of financial interests ( or what ever the correct words are) ?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283558/How-MPs-pay-subsidised-eco-firms-set-insane-new-carbon-targets-send-heating-bills-sky-rocketing.html

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  91. meh (165 comments) says:

    @Rightnow – http://www.airliquide.com/ – these guys are in seaview IIRC. Worth giving them a call to see if they do food grade stuff.

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  92. Kea (12,811 comments) says:


    Eco-tastrophe! How MPs in the pay of subsidised eco-firms set insane new carbon targets that send your bills sky-rocketing… and drag us to a new Dark Age


    Like all MPs, Tim Yeo is paid £65,000 a year. But he never has to make do with just that. Last year alone, three ‘green’ companies paid the Conservative MP for South Suffolk £135,970.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283558/How-MPs-pay-subsidised-eco-firms-set-insane-new-carbon-targets-send-heating-bills-sky-rocketing.html#ixzz2LsVkhwgQ
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    * Warning. Griff will abuse you for reading this.

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  93. Kea (12,811 comments) says:


    EXPLODING THE MYTHS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
    MYTH The world is continually getting warmer.
    TRUTH Official Met Office data shows no statistically significant global temperature rise since January 1997. The fact was confirmed last week by Raj Pachauri, chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Many scientists say this means forecasts of how much warmer the world will be by 2100 must be revised downwards. Pachauri disagreed: for him to be convinced, the ‘pause’ would have to last 30 years.

    MYTH Global warming is already causing extreme weather.
    TRUTH If anything, weather has become less, not more extreme in the past 50 years. Professor Roger Pielke Jr of Colorado University – no climate sceptic – last week said that the past seven years had been the longest period ever recorded without a Category 3 or stronger hurricane hitting America, and that drought has decreased since the mid-20th Century. The IPCC admits there is no evidence that global warming has caused more storms in the tropics.

    MYTH If we don’t take swift, drastic action to cut CO2 emissions, the world will soon become uninhabitable
    TRUTH The ‘pause’ in rising temperatures, along with new research into the decline in the sun’s output and other natural factors, is leading many scientists to lower estimates of how fast carbon dioxide warms the world. Until now, the IPCC has suggested that doubling CO2 causes a worrying increase of 3.5C, but many experts say it is about 1.7C. The computer models still say the world will be at least 2C warmer by the end of the century, but they failed to predict the pause.

    MYTH We’ve got to do our bit, even if it hurts. If we cut emissions, the rest of the world will follow.
    TRUTH The fiasco of the 2009 UN climate conference in Copenhagen proved that China, India, Brazil and other fast-growing nations are simply not prepared to make any binding commitments to reduce their emissions. However, by cutting our own ever more deeply, all we do is increase the already rocketing price of our energy and so drive jobs abroad – while making almost no difference to world CO2 levels.

    MYTH The faster we cut carbon in our power generation, the more prosperous we will be.
    TRUTH We face declining energy capacity, while the Government targets on 2030 emissions would mean few firms will be willing to invest in the one proven type of power source – gas – that can fill the gap relatively cheaply. Instead of ‘green growth’, we face years of impoverished stagnation, while industry flees Britain and our sky-high energy prices.

    MYTH The Arctic is going to be ice-free in summer in a few years.
    TRUTH Although last summer saw a return to the relatively low levels of ice seen in 2007, the growth of Arctic winter ice this year is the fastest on record. Canadian archaeologists have been finding evidence the ice cover shrank to half its current extent during a warm period 7,000 years ago – but never vanished entirely.
    .

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283558/How-MPs-pay-subsidised-eco-firms-set-insane-new-carbon-targets-send-heating-bills-sky-rocketing.html#ixzz2LsW3W0Mh
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook”

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  94. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Yee Gods what a boring day on GD.

    Lift your sprits with a chuckle for heavens sake.

    When John and Mary first got married John said, “I am a sex addict and I’m putting a box under the bed to help control my addiction. You must promise never to look in it.”
    In all their 30 years of marriage Mary never looked. However, on the afternoon of their 30th anniversary, curiosity got the best of her and she lifted the lid and peeked inside. In the box were 3 empty beer cans and $81,874.25 in cash. She closed the box and put it back under the bed. Now that she knew what was in the box, she was doubly curious as to why there even was such a box with such contents.

    That evening they were out for a special Anniversary dinner. After dinner Mary could no longer contain her curiosity and she confessed, saying, “I am so sorry. For all these years I kept my promise and never looked into the box under our bed. However, today the temptation was too much and I gave in. But now I need to know why do you keep the 3 beer cans in the box?”

    John thought for a while and said, “I guess after all these years you deserve to know the truth. Whenever I was unfaithful to you I put an empty beer can in the box under the bed to remind myself not to do it again.”

    Mary was shocked, but said, “Hmmm, Jennifer, Paula and Monica. I am very disappointed and saddened by your behavior. However since you are addicted to sex, I guess it does happen and I guess 3 times is not that bad considering your problem.”

    John thanked her for being so understanding. They hugged and made their peace.

    A little while later Mary asked John, so why do you have all that money in the box?

    John answered; “Well, whenever the box filled up with empty cans, I took them to the recycling center and redeemed them for cash.”

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  95. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    And if that one didn’t fix your humour this one will. Its a hoot.

    It seems that a young couple had just gotten married and spent their wedding night with the young mans parents. In the morning the mother got up and prepared a lovely breakfast, went to the bottom of the stairs and called for them to come down for breakfast. After a long wait the family ate without the newlyweds. The mother said I wonder why they never came down to eat. The groom’s young brother said Mommy, I think…Oh shut up I don’t want to hear what you think said the mother, not wanting to hear any inappropriate comments from the younger brother. At lunch time the mother again prepared a wonderful meal and again called the young couple to eat.

    After another long wait the family proceeded to eat, and after the meal was completed the mother once again said I wonder why they never came down to eat? Once again the younger brother started to speak, but was interrupted by the mother. At dinner time once again the mother cooked a very elaborate meal, had the table set perfect and called the newlyweds to join the family for dinner. After another long wait the mother once again questioned why they had not come downstairs all day.

    The young lad once again said Mommy I think….Well, what is it that you think? asked the mother rather irritated. I think that when my big brother came down to get the Vaseline last night, he got my model plane glue instead.

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  96. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    And for those that work in that big organisation here is some management wisdom.

    5 Minute Management Course

    Lesson 1 :

    A priest offered a Nun a lift.

    She got in and crossed her legs, forcing her gown to reveal a leg.

    The priest nearly had an accident.

    After controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg…

    The nun said, ‘Father, remember Psalm 129?’

    The priest removed his hand. But, changing gears, he let his hand slide up her leg again. The nun once again said, ‘Father, remember Psalm 129?’

    The priest apologized ‘Sorry sister but the flesh is weak.’

    Arriving at the convent, the nun sighed heavily and went on her way.

    On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to look up Psalm 129. It said, ‘Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory.’

    Moral of the story:
    If you are not well informed in your job, you might miss a great opportunity.

    Lesson 2 :

    A sales rep, an administration clerk, and the manager are walking to lunch when they find an antique oil lamp.

    They rub it and a Genie comes out. The Genie says, ‘I’ll give each of you just one wish.’

    ‘Me first! Me first!’ says the admin clerk.. ‘I want to be in the Bahamas , driving a speedboat, without a care in the world.’ Poof! She’s gone.

    ‘Me next! Me next!’ says the sales rep. ‘I want to be in Hawaii , relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless supply of Pina Coladas, and the love of my life.’ Poof! He’s gone.

    ‘OK, you’re up,’ the Genie says to the manager. The manager says, ‘I want those two back in the office after lunch.’

    Moral of the story:
    Always let your boss have the first say.

    Lesson 3

    An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing.

    A small rabbit saw the eagle and asked him, ‘Can I also sit like you and do nothing?’ The eagle answered: ‘Sure, why not.’

    So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.

    Moral of the story:
    To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.

    Lesson 4
    A turkey was chatting with a bull. ‘I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree’ sighed the turkey, ‘but I haven’t got the energy.’

    ‘Well, why don’t you nibble on some of my droppings?’ replied the bull. It’s full of nutrients.’

    The turkey pecked at a lump of dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree.

    The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch..

    Finally after a fourth night, the turkey was proudly perched at the top of the tree.

    He was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot him out of the tree.

    Moral of the story:
    Bull Shit might get you to the top, but it won’t keep you there…

    Lesson 5

    A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field.
    While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him.

    As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was.

    The dung was actually thawing him out!

    He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate.

    Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

    Moral of the story:
    (1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy.

    (2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.

    (3) And when you’re in deep shit, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!

    THUS ENDS THE 5-MINUTE MANAGEMENT COURSE.
    Send this to five bright people who have enough sense of humour to take it!

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  97. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    I finally made the Stuff website in a news item…. unnamed however….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/8335517/Mother-hands-in-son-to-police

    **Police have apprehended one boy and another was handed in by his mother after they were chased from a Linden property last night.**

    The fella doing the chasing? That was me. In barefeet and undies and no housekeys or cellphone otherwise I just would’ve kept going until I caught the piece of shit.

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  98. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    HITLER: THE ATHEIST (Quiz Show)

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  99. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_iNCGH9kY

    Try this one

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  100. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Y’know for once you’re right Dime, I am stupid for trying to reason with an utter gape jawed drooling knuckle dragging dumbfuck like you and the mostly similarly mentally challenged Kiwiblog General Debate crowd..

    Tell us again how radio waves did not exist until transmitters started transmitting them, Redbaiter. Or have you discovered that our sun emits radio waves in the last day or two?

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  101. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Hinamanu:

    World-renowned educator and human rights activist Jim Garrow says that the source, man regarded as “one of America’s foremost military heroes,” told him that President Obama is using a new litmus test for “determining who will stay and who must go” among top-ranked military leaders. That test is whether they will fire on US citizens or not. Garrow says that his source made the disclosure in order to “sound the alarm” over the administration’s plans.

    Jim Garrow is so renowned that the Wikipedia doesn’t even have an entry on him!! Fortunately there other websites that explain who he is. For example, it turns out that his doctorate in theology is an honorary one, done for his work in China trafficking children to westerners, that was granted by a non-accredited school. He has a history of business failures. He was fined and suspended by the Ontario college of teachers for abusing students. A former landlord has described him as a conman, and a former student has blogged that he is crazy. He has, over the years, claimed that his wife was a Nuclear physicist, that he owned original Picassos, that his charity organisation won second place in the Nobel prizes. Oh, and the Nobel nomination? It turns out that he is the source of this claim, but he has no verification of this and is unwilling to name his supposed nominators because of, you know, the political problems that it would cause. The nomination was for his work in preventing the deaths of unwanted or second children in China by trafficking them to the west except that media have been unable to find any evidence that he is indeed doing this, or on the huge scale he claims, and at least one person named on his website as being involved in his Pink Pagoda program has stated that they aren’t involved and don’t know anything about it.

    Basically, he’s a liar. More on him, here, and in the comments thread there, here, and here.

    Snopes also debunk this claim and reveals that Garrow is a sandy hook conspiracy theorist.

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  102. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Benefit fraud trebles in a decade

    According to the Herald benefit fraud has trebled in just over a decade from $8.1M in 2005 to $23.4M in 2011.

    Total benefits fraud

    2005-06 $8.1m

    2006-07 $7.5m

    2007-08 $6.4m

    2008-09 $11.1m

    2009-10 $15.9m

    2010-11 $22.6m

    2011-12 $23.4m

    http://brendanslongblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/benefit-fraud-trebles-in-decade.html

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  103. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    This will make the whale even happier than he already is.

    APN tax case heads to High Court

    APN News & Media is heading to the High Court over a $48 million tax claim after failing to convince the Inland Revenue Department that its deductions for interest claimed on certain financing transactions was correct.

    The publisher of the NZ Herald newspaper had hoped to resolve the dispute via the IRD’s adjudication unit, whose work is aimed at resolving claims at an early stage to reduce the number of litigated cases.

    But the unit advised the company on Friday that it agrees with IRD’s position, meaning the tax department will shortly issue APN with notices of assessment denying the deductions.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10867575

    and perhaps they should look at the 700 million of masthead depreciation that they claimed as well.

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  104. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Jim Garrow is so renowned that the Wikipedia doesn’t even have an entry on him!!

    Honestly, Chiz, Wikipedia is the last place to go for facts on an issue like Obama’s readiness to kill US citizens. It has links to Cass Sunstein’s cognitive infiltration programme (for example its history in promoting the AGW agenda).

    http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/
    http://tarpley.net/2011/01/20/wikileaks-cognitive-infiltration-operation/
    http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-contradicts-the-rest-of-the-internet

    The Jim Garrow episode seems to me to be a convenient straw man in the context of Benghazi, where Chris Stevens and others were left without military support even though there was a clear warning of an impending attack.

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  105. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    I’m all for private enterprise but ‘corporates’ worry me. The following is a little out of date but gives a fair idea of who feeds the USA.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ztgaua98pkmu1ja/Corporate%20brands.jpg

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  106. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    UglyTruth:Wikipedia is the last place to go for facts on an issue like Obama’s readiness to kill US citizens.

    That isn’t why I looked up Garrow on the Wikipedia. I looked him up to see who he was. If he was world-renowned as hinamanu claimed you would expect there to be something on him. The fact that there isn’t anything at all shows that he isn’t world-renowned.

    The fact that he turns out to be a serial liar undermines his story, and as Snopes point out, this story has been circulating for decades and is just an urban legend.

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  107. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Readiness to kill citizens? That’s crazy talk.

    “Is Your Local Police Department Using Pictures of Pregnant Women and Children for Target Practice?”

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi

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  108. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    Murphy’s’ old lady was pregnant and now the time had come.

    He took her to the doctor and the doctor began to deliver
    the baby.

    She had a little boy, and the doctor looked over at Murphy
    and said. ‘Hey, Murph! You just had you a son!

    ‘Ain’t dat grand!!’ Murphy got excited by this, but just
    then the doctor spoke up and said, ‘Hold on! We ain’t
    finished yet!’

    The doctor then delivered a little girl.

    He said, ‘Hey, Murph! You got you a daughter!!!! She is a
    pretty lil ting, too….’

    Murphy got kind of puzzled by this and then the doctor said,
    ‘Hold on, we aint got done yet!’

    The doctor then delivered another boy and said, ‘Murph, you
    just had yourself another boy!’

    Murphy said to the doctor, ‘Doc, what caused all of dem
    babies?’

    The doctor said, ‘You never know Murph, it was probably
    something that happened during conception.’

    Murphy said, ‘Ah yeah, during conception.’

    When Murph and his wife went home with their three children,
    he sat down with his wife and said, ‘Mama, you remember dat
    night that we ran out of Vaseline and we had to use dat
    dere 3-in-1 Oil.’

    She said, ‘Yeah, I remember dat night…’

    Murph said, ‘I’ll tell you, …….it’s a fookin’ good ting
    we didn’t use WD-40.’

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  109. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Chiz, the points you missed were Wikipedia’s political bias and the connection between Garrow, Sandy Hook, and Benghazi. The connection is official complicity in the killing of US citizens.

    Snopes did a pretty good job of debunking Sandy Hook, but they skipped the suspects in possible nun outfits in the purple van (from the police radio log).

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  110. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Romantic movies ruin relationships. They give women unrealistic expectations about what to expect from men. Porn has the same effect on men.

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  111. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    I hate it when you offer someone a sincere compliment on their moustache and suddenly she’s not your friend anymore.

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  112. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Thank Christ Murphy never dipped his crank in Hypoid 140! :)

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  113. kowtow (8,443 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism. Great innit?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9888310/Lets-talk-about-the-exodus-of-600000-whites-from-London.html

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  114. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    So, Uglytruth – you’re suggesting that the reason why Wikipedia has nothing on Garrow is because of some conspiracy?

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  115. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    Suspects in possible nun outfits in the purple van
    :lol:
    conspirowhackys

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  116. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Early christians weren’t actually persecuted by Romans, says historian:

    It didn’t help that early Christians developed a passion for martyrdom. Suffering demonstrated both the piety of the martyr and the authenticity of the religion itself, and besides, it earned you an immediate, first-class seat in heaven. (Ordinary Christians had to wait for Judgment Day.) There were reports of fanatics deliberately seeking out the opportunity to die for their faith, including a mob that turned up at the door of a Roman official in Asia Minor, demanding to be martyred, only to be turned away when he couldn’t be bothered to oblige them.

    Very pythonesque.

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  117. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Chiz, I’m not suggesting that, Wikipedia has nothing on countless numbers of people. The point that I was trying to make was that getting the whole story on a controversial issue like official complicity in the killing of citizens involves digging a little, and not relying on Wikipedia. Also, although much of the reporting on issues like may look like conspiracy, it is hard to prove criminal intent on the part of the reporters or people like Snopes.

    What I am saying is that there is a significant body of evidence that connects events like the Port Arthur killings and Sandy Hook to a political agenda of gun control and a more oppressive state.

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  118. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    conspirowhackys

    Solid argument there, Griff, I can see how you would go for the official position on AGW.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc&feature=player_detailpage#t=5660s

    At 1:34:19, “Two occupants with possible ski masks”.

    At 1:35:07, “One may be wearing a nun outfit, headed toward Danbury and Stoney Hill, purple van”.

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  119. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    conspirowhacky :lol:
    nutjob

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  120. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    UglyTruth:Wikipedia has nothing on countless numbers of people

    Yes, but, by and large, that’s because they’re nobodies. There are lots of obscure people in the Wikipedia. Hinamanu claimed that Garrow was wolrd-renowned. The fact there isn’t anything at all in there on him – not even a one-line entry – shows that this claim is false and that he isn’t world-renowned. He appears to be nothing more than a conman who has been investigated by the media, and the police, once or twice rather than a “world-renowned educator and human rights activist”.

    Hinamanu got sucked in by his/her source basically.

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  121. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    conspirowhacky
    nutjob

    http://www.uea.ac.uk/~j097/CONSP01.htm

    CRITICAL THINKING ABOUT CONSPIRACY THEORIES

    No serious historian denies that a somewhat amateurish conspiracy lay behind the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, or that a more professional but sadly less successful conspiracy attempted to assassinate Adolf Hitler in the summer of 1944. Yet such is the presumption behind the cock-up stance that the existence or frequency of genuine conspiracies is often significantly downplayed.

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  122. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Chiz, the fact that somebody isn’t in Wikipedia doesn’t mean that they’re not world renowned, eg Dr. Asher Kimchi

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/2/prweb10458633.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Dr.+Asher+Kimchi&button=&title=Special%3ASearch

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  123. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    poor old Griff.

    Now there is a very, very sad sack case.

    nutjob or conspitorwacky ?

    whichever it is , it’s so very sad that he puts so much effort into, devotes everything he has into ….

    why does he waste his energy ?
    Day in, day out. Year in, yearr out.

    has he nothing else, poor sod.

    why not just get a life Griff ?

    Think. How much more productive your sad life could be.

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  124. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    genuine conspiracies

    You realise of course Travistock has a meme going on this, it’s been in place for decades. It is why people hesitate to say what they really think – lest they be j’accused [of being a nut].

    It is why for example even though looking at JFK it’s obvious it wasn’t LHO acting alone, people won’t say that unless someone else in the room says it first. Lest they be j’accused, you see. Even though it’s so obvious in that case you’d have to be a village idiot with a lobotomy not to have privately concluded it.

    But you see, Travistock rely on the implications. They’re unthinkable. After all, if JFK really wasn’t killed by LHO acting alone, this means the US govt [gasp] has covered it up for over 50 years. And with President after President, Administration after Administration, how could that possibli be? SOMEONE would have said something. SOMETHING would have leaked. THEREFORE, it didn’t happen like that, and there MUST, there HAS TO BE some other explanation.

    That’s the Travistock meme you see. It just COULDN’T be true based on the world as [x] knows it, THEREFORE it is NOT true. It CAN’T be. And you can run through the list, on and on and on and on. And it goes way back before JFK of course, I just use that because it’s the “classic” example which most people would recognise. And it’s happened since too, of course. Many times, since then. Very recently in fact.

    But that thinking, sadly, is the level of the memers a.k.a. most people alive.

    Not because it’s not true, but simple because their hearts and minds just can’t deal with two opposing concepts at the same time.

    And it’s got nothing to do with intelligence, it has everything to do with emotional balance.

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  125. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Kimchi may be internationally recognized – but only among cardiologists. That’s not the same thing as being, supposedly, a world-renowned human rights activist. Human rights activists are generally better known among the public than cardiologists.

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  126. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    http://www.philosophersbeard.org/2010/08/conspiracy-thinking-part-ii.html

    This calls for two things. Firstly we need a bullshit detector to identify the cases, and sometimes the people, one should avoid taking at all seriously, while bearing in mind that there can be real and nasty conspiracies, sometimes reaching all the way to the tops of governments (Rwanda, Watergate, Suez, etc). Conspiracy thinkers typically assert that all they are doing is following a skeptical stance to received information. In fact what they are following is a radical epistemic stance of ‘possibilism’ – anything that is possible deserves equal status and consideration as knowledge. This position completely rejects one of the central concerns and foundations of successful civilisation: the project of cumulatively and collectively enhancing our understanding of how the world works. They ask, ‘How do you know the Jews/Free Masons/French government aren’t behind this [unusual world event]?’ They say, ‘It is up to the Official Story to prove itself by disproving every other possibility’. In fact it is the skeptic who has the burden of proving the plausibility of her critique.

    Secondly we need to stand up to the nonsense propagated by conspiracy thinkers. What they are doing is not harmless. It is drivel but it is dangerous drivel that can kill people directly, or crowd out and make impossible rational debate (and hence grown-up politics), leading to yet further conspiracy thinking and nastiness.

    Since conspiracy theorists often claim that the world actually works quite differently than our common sense tells us, discrepancies there don’t necessarily provide a simple way to distinguish bullshit. Internal coherence is therefore a useful independent test since, in principle, it can be used to assess the 1st order sensibleness of a claim even under the charitable assumption that the world is like that. In principle this should also provide an alternative route to criticising conspiracy claims in terms the conspiracy thinkers themselves might accept, since the problem is not that they are stupid, but that they come to foolish conclusions.

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  127. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Yes enough of the conspiracies. Lets stick with facts :

    Like all MPs, Tim Yeo is paid £65,000 a year. But he never has to make do with just that. Last year alone, three ‘green’ companies paid the Conservative MP for South Suffolk £135,970.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283558/How-MPs-pay-subsidised-eco-firms-set-insane-new-carbon-targets-send-heating-bills-sky-rocketing.html#ixzz2LsVkhwgQ

    EXPLODING THE MYTHS ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
    MYTH The world is continually getting warmer.
    TRUTH Official Met Office data shows no statistically significant global temperature rise since January 1997. The fact was confirmed last week by Raj Pachauri, chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Many scientists say this means forecasts of how much warmer the world will be by 2100 must be revised downwards. Pachauri disagreed: for him to be convinced, the ‘pause’ would have to last 30 years.

    MYTH Global warming is already causing extreme weather.
    TRUTH If anything, weather has become less, not more extreme in the past 50 years. Professor Roger Pielke Jr of Colorado University – no climate sceptic – last week said that the past seven years had been the longest period ever recorded without a Category 3 or stronger hurricane hitting America, and that drought has decreased since the mid-20th Century. The IPCC admits there is no evidence that global warming has caused more storms in the tropics.

    MYTH If we don’t take swift, drastic action to cut CO2 emissions, the world will soon become uninhabitable
    TRUTH The ‘pause’ in rising temperatures, along with new research into the decline in the sun’s output and other natural factors, is leading many scientists to lower estimates of how fast carbon dioxide warms the world. Until now, the IPCC has suggested that doubling CO2 causes a worrying increase of 3.5C, but many experts say it is about 1.7C. The computer models still say the world will be at least 2C warmer by the end of the century, but they failed to predict the pause.

    MYTH We’ve got to do our bit, even if it hurts. If we cut emissions, the rest of the world will follow.
    TRUTH The fiasco of the 2009 UN climate conference in Copenhagen proved that China, India, Brazil and other fast-growing nations are simply not prepared to make any binding commitments to reduce their emissions. However, by cutting our own ever more deeply, all we do is increase the already rocketing price of our energy and so drive jobs abroad – while making almost no difference to world CO2 levels.

    MYTH The faster we cut carbon in our power generation, the more prosperous we will be.
    TRUTH We face declining energy capacity, while the Government targets on 2030 emissions would mean few firms will be willing to invest in the one proven type of power source – gas – that can fill the gap relatively cheaply. Instead of ‘green growth’, we face years of impoverished stagnation, while industry flees Britain and our sky-high energy prices.

    MYTH The Arctic is going to be ice-free in summer in a few years.
    TRUTH Although last summer saw a return to the relatively low levels of ice seen in 2007, the growth of Arctic winter ice this year is the fastest on record. Canadian archaeologists have been finding evidence the ice cover shrank to half its current extent during a warm period 7,000 years ago – but never vanished entirely.
    .

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  128. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    hinkprogress.org/climate/2013/02/05/1545421/denial-river-conspiracy-thinking-in-the-climate-blogosphere-in-response-to-research-on-conspiracy-thinking/ :lol:
    Conspiracist ideation has been repeatedly implicated in the rejection of scientific propositions, although empirical evidence to date has been sparse. A recent study involving visitors to climate blogs found that conspiracist ideation was associated with the rejection of climate science and the rejection of other scientific propositions such as the link between lung cancer and smoking, and between HIV and AIDS (Lewandowsky, Oberauer, & Gignac, in press; LOG12 from here on). This article analyzes the response of the climate blogosphere to the publication of LOG12. We identify and trace the hypotheses that emerged in response to LOG12 and that questioned the validity of the paper’s conclusions. Using established criteria to identify conspiracist ideation, we show that many of the hypotheses exhibited conspiratorial content and counterfactual thinking. For example, whereas hypotheses were initially narrowly focused on LOG12, some ultimately grew in scope to include actors beyond the authors of LOG12, such as university executives, a media organization, and the Australian government. The overall pattern of the blogosphere’s response to LOG12 illustrates the possible role of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science, although alternative scholarly interpretations may be advanced in the future.

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  129. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Not only the Artic Kea. The Antarctic sea ice area anomaly has been increasing at a rate of half a million km² per year. If this alarming trend continues, the planet will be completely covered with Antarctic ice in 1,000 years. The Australian coral reefs will freeze to death in less than 300 years. :-)

    For every scary piece of data held up by ALARMISTS as proof of man-made global warming, it seems a bit of contrary evidence is uncovered — and, of course, is ignored. Let’s see what Antarctica is telling us.

    http://www.thegwpf.org/antarctic-ice-planet/

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  130. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    Hay Griff, do you know there are actually nutters out there who think the world is ending because of white people and capitalism and that something called BIG OIL and the “Carbon Industry” [chuckle] are trying to cover it up by paying scientists to hide the terrible truth (about the world ending) ?

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  131. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    axeman, your concerns are well founded and are shared by those with access to the latest science.

    Climate Scientists Predicts a ‘Mini Ice Age’ in the Future Amid Evidence Of Sun’s Diminishing Acitivity

    NASA’s prediction that the sun’s next 11-year activity phase or “Cycle 25: will be one of the weakest in centuries and is likely to decrease until 2100, has led some scientists to foresee a “mini ice age” in the future.

    Experts at NASA and the University of Arizona analyzed data derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface and concluded that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.

    According to climate scientists, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a “grand minimum” in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

    Data issued recently by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit confirmed that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

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  132. axeman (252 comments) says:

    MYTH The world is continually getting warmer.
    TRUTH Official Met Office data shows no statistically significant global temperature rise since January 1997. The fact was confirmed last week by Raj Pachauri, chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Many scientists say this means forecasts of how much warmer the world will be by 2100 must be revised downwards. Pachauri disagreed: for him to be convinced, the ‘pause’ would have to last 30 years.

    Yeah the Indian train driver seems to be able to accept it. Then Pachauri quietly pretends to like skeptics. It’s all PR to keep the gravy train running. :-)

    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/02/pachauri-quietly-blows-goalposts-away-pretends-to-like-skeptics-its-all-pr-to-keep-the-gravy-train-running/

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  133. Kea (12,811 comments) says:

    axeman, Pachauri is yet another example of a humble weatherman promoted above his abilities. The rot set in when we started calling weathermen “scientists” even though they had a well deserved reputation for being no more accurate than fortune tellers at predicting future events.

    We all used to enjoy a good laugh at matching the weathermans computer generated weather predictions with actual events. It is less funny now that people with other motives are using the simple weatherman as a vehicle for political change. Sad really.

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  134. Griff (7,686 comments) says:

    Conspiracy nutters :lol:

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  135. bort_simpson (17 comments) says:

    R.I.P. Bain thread. cruelly euthanised in the prime of it’s brief existence on this message board, we will remember you.

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  136. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Pachauri seems to be able to accept it, the UK Met Office has tacitly conceded that the sceptics are correct
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100197657/the-met-office-defending-the-indefensible-as-per-usual/

    And even uber-ALARMIST James Annan admits “high climate sensitivity increasingly untenable”
    http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/01/staggering-admission-by-james-annan-high-climate-sensitivity-increasingly-untenable/

    Yet we will have to put up with the ALARMISTS’ useful idiot gwiffucknuckle, spinning the OLD bullshit CAGW line :-)

    Face it GRIEF, the wheels are falling off and your alarmist hoax :-( will be over soon …

    HISTORY OF GLOBAL WARMING SCEPTICISM

    “First they tried to convince us with the evidence
    Then when we showed the evidence didn’t support them, they manufactured the evidence
    Then when we explained that their “evidence” didn’t prove their case
    … They tried to tell us we (the majority) were the ill-informed minority
    Then when it became clear we were far from ill-informed and far less a small minority.
    They tried to ridicule us
    Then when we laughed at their attempts to ridicule us
    They tried to sue us
    Then when they realised that threatening to sue when the evidence supported us
    They tried to tell us we were mad. etc.
    Finally … in the face of overwhelming evidence and lack of public interest in their non-science they get over their tantrum, they stop writing idiotic papers to journals and stop helping to write ridiculous articles for journalists … it all goes quite
    and then they try to pretend it never happened.”

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  137. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Don’t you love it when someone says “Job creation” in fields that take a whole lot of retraining or better yet hire cheaper immigrant labour to do it rather than retrain?

    I would like to know what sample and demographic all these national polls are getting their numbers from with their popular vote?

    Here’s your conspiracy, you see it just about everyday.

    Then the herald gets hammered for doctoring the poll. What makes you think national spin ringstingers don’t either?

    What did these idiots think? That there wasn’t going to be a period of mass loss before the new change began? It’s just like our navy, we don’t have any sailors anymore. There’s one thing i’ve learned in life is that people love to be talk beaten into accepting something if the uncertainty of their future can be introduced. Typical national tactic. Hosking should be sacked off his morning show as he geeks out nationals look.

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  138. Manolo (13,753 comments) says:

    Knowledge of geography is required for the job: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341461/kerrys-first-gaffe-kyrzakhstan-nathaniel-botwinick

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