General Debate 7 February 2013

February 7th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Are Greens guilty of a serious political crime? John Armstong suggests they are, but has the crime hasn’t been committed yet?

    The Greens’ overall policy objective is clear. But this “motherhood and apple pie” of a policy is so warped all round, that it would have to be canned before long. I think they are guilty of a serious political crime — falsely raising people’s hopes and expectations on housing, knowing they are not going to be able to deliver.

    They are not just promising housing nirvana, but also employment nirvana – and if you don’t want to work, income nirvana.

    Are they deluded? It’s possible they really believe their own hype. Or deliberately dishonest? Or both?

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  2. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    It’s C. Deliberately dishonest. Liars one and all.

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  3. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8270946/Leaky-buildings-sink-Mainzeal

    Bastards owe my Bro $50K. When I was in that game they were a bunch of slimey crooked hacks. I never gave them my best price first up because they would always come back for a second or third bite at the cherry and still try and steal the last 5% at the end of the job thru claw backs.

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  4. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    PG/AOR Agreed. They just lie and the media never calls them on it. They could say they are building 100,000 houses out of green cheese and fairy dust and the fawning media would just report the press release verbatim and say how wwwwonderfullll….

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  5. flipper (3,261 comments) says:

    PG,AOR,Colv….
    YEP.
    On a serious note, re employment…take Spain …. as just one example.
    The latins lost 2.2 jobs for every ‘green job” created, rising to 22 per cent until their previous Government was kicked for touch late 2011. It has since gone to more than 25%. Similar trend in UK, California, and in Europe. Of course the over-spending does not help. But DPF’s stats on (hands off, economic freedom etc.) employment recently show the green are just BS’ers :)

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  6. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    P.G., the Luddites are a bunch of dishonest communists. Never to be trusted.

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  7. Elaycee (4,057 comments) says:

    Darwin etc:

    Hamilton.
    Learner Licence.
    Three in the car / 1.38am – outside his driver’s licence
    Stolen Car.
    No headlights.
    Cop spots them / flashing lights and siren.
    Kid slows but then does a high speed runner.
    Chase quickly abandoned by Police.
    Outcome inevitable. One killed / another badly injured / third who wore seatbelt – OK.
    100% THE DRIVER’S FAULT!
    Awful for the families.
    IPCA and Coroner now involved.
    Moral of the story: Stop when requested by Police.
    Sorted.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8271209/Cop-Crash-teen-paid-with-his-life

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  8. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    According to the Herald, the Scientology outfit wants New Zealand to ease up on it……………….

    Well who really gives a rats arse about them, but they are really strange buggers. Only so many places in heaven, and the more money you give, the more likely youll get one of those places………….

    sounds like similar to the treaty … the more money the Govt gives, the more likely they are to be forgiven.

    Theyre both fairy tales……………

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  9. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Elaycee- I agree 110%. It always astounds me that the bleeding heart criminal-hugging brigade inevitably blame police for these incidents. What the hell are police supposed to do when someone speeds past in a stolen car??

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  10. James Stephenson (1,880 comments) says:

    @barry – that “only so many places in heaven” thing is the JW’s.

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  11. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Thank you, Elaycee. It’s very good to see Darwinism at work!
    The phrase “Good riddance” comes to mind.

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  12. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    Gareth Morgans 5 point housing plan:

    Stop councils charging rate payers for the infrastructure for new subdivisions (subsidising the property development/immigration consortium).

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  13. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/61892/gareth-morgans-blindingly-obvious-five-point-housing-plan-new-zealand-your-view

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  14. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    hj – I don’t disagree, but won’t that increase the cost of new housing?

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  15. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Elaycee- I see you got a ‘thumbs down’. Meaning someone disagrees that the accident and outcome was entirely the drivers fault.
    I guess the Police should have smiled and waved as he sped past joyriding in a stolen car? Maybe posted him a ticket later?

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  16. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Gareth Morgan is the new Oracle of Delphi. He knows everything and casts authoritative opinion on any subject.

    I shall nominate him for the 2013 Nobel Prize of Chemistry, Physics, Literature and Medicine. The man is pure genius!

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  17. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Manolo- Did you see him at the sevens dressed as a cat? He was daring and challenging cat lovers to have a go at him.
    Oh for someone to have punched his retarded face in…
    Unless of course Gareth, as well as being the smartest man that EVER lived and the saviour of us all, is also heavyweight boxing champion of the World…

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  18. Elaycee (4,057 comments) says:

    @Longknives 9.26am: Yup – I spotted the thumbs down… LOL. No doubt it would been courtesy of some ‘crim hugging’ panty waist who subscribes to the theory that the Police should somehow turn a blind eye to the morons in Society who see fit to disregard the Laws of the land and the reasonable and lawful instructions of the Police. Meh….

    But I suspect the same panty waists would be the first in line to bleat and moan to the Police if they were ever the victim of a burglary / assault / etc.

    Hypocrisy is alive and well…

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  19. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    Pete George says:
    “I don’t dissagree but wont that increase the cost of new housing?”
    …..
    Yes but it will connect cause and effect and help us deal with the cause.

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  20. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    hj, councils charge developers for all downstream effects of new developments in the likes of a “drainage levy” and obviously the developer pays for all the services within the development and all service extensions to connect development to existing infrastructure.
    But in the end it dont really matter who pays for it as it needs to be done if greenfield development is going to goahead. Its all on the house buyer at the end of the job.

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  21. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Sandusky convicted: 10 years

    Obama’s Department of INJustice

    “This is a Constitutional battle, and we’re going to defend our rights,” says Aaron Sandusky, the owner of a medical marijuana dispensary in Upland, California who now faces federal drug trafficking charges even though he was operating within California state law.

    Reason.tv first profiled Sandusky in late 2011 in the midst of a federal crackdown on marijuana dispensaries across California, which occurred despite repeated promises from the Obama administration to lay off operators compliant with state law (Incidentally, the city of Upland, which initiated the legal action against G3, admitted in court that Sandusky was operating within state law). During the production of that video, Sandusky’s storefront and grow house were raided, his assets seized and his product destroyed. But Sandusky was undeterred and joined a lawsuit with several other dispensary owners, challenging the right of city governments to outright ban dispensaries. After a favorable ruling from an appellate court, Sandusky re-opened, and the city of Upland was powerless to stop him. But the Feds were not happy with this outcome.

    Sandusky was arrested and charged with six counts of drug trafficking, some of which could carry a life sentence. He’s spent the last seven weeks in a county prison, just awaiting a bond hearing. He finally was granted bail last Friday and is now out on house arrest, where he awaits an October trial to decide his fate. He agreed to sit down with Reason.tv for an interview to discuss his case, the state of medical marijuana in this country, and why this is a cause for which he’s willing to risk it all.

    “If I have to go to jail for 20 years defending this, then so be it,” says Sandusky.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-bogus-drug-war-1/sandusky-convicted-10-years.html

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  22. Fletch (5,712 comments) says:

    Is he related to Jerry Sandusky, the child molester?

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  23. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    People can seem to accept that the world is run by a bunch of ruthless bankers, or perhaps they realize that presidents and national leaders are puppets to corporate interests, or perhaps they even have come to grips with the fact that “The Elite” are willing to destroy nations and people to consolidate power and form a one-world government. Poison the planet with depleted uranium? Yes. Poison the food supply with GMO’s? Definitely.

    But one topic that has been routinely shrugged off as manifestly impossible is that those at the very top of the pyramid, including well-known politicians and public figures, have engaged consistently — and on a widespread basis — in the organized sale, rape, torture and murder of children. Frankly, we had a hard time fully believing it ourselves until recently. But the evidence has become so overwhelming that we must have the courage to look into the very worst cesspit; one which better belongs in paintings of Hell’s torments, not on the evening news.

    According to Missingkids.com, 800,000 children under the age of 18 go missing each year globally — 2,185 per day. Their hotline received an average of 580 calls per day to this point in the last quarter of 2012 — 3.5 million calls since the organization’s inception in 1984. It is clearly an epidemic of staggering proportions.
    When Fritz Springmeier and David Icke began talking 20 years ago about organized pedophile rings and mind-controlled sex slaves (often with overtly Satanic themes) within the highest levels of society, most readers met them with serious doubt or outright dismissal. We would be very unwise to dismiss their research now.

    The Jimmy Savile scandal has taken center stage in bringing these revelations to a wider audience, as it is embedded within Britain’s BBC corporate media itself where they were forced tolamely issue an apology that the original Newsnight investigation into numerous claims of sex acts with children was dropped, all the while insisting that “there was not enough evidence to say whether sexual abuse or harassment at the corporation was ‘endemic’”.

    David Icke certainly has a different take on it. According to Icke, Savile “was the child-supplying fixer for the rich and famous in politics, entertainment and royalty” and can be linked to a massive child abuse scandal in North Wales. (Source) Icke’s 1998 book The Biggest Secret details a seemingly unbelievable number of prominent U.S. and UK political leaders who centrally figure into these scandals. Icke details how Savile is indicative not of a single evil person using their position of power to destroy innocence, but is indicative of an entire lifestyle embraced within the top echelons of society.

    Savile’s close connections to the royal family cannot be denied, and even skeptics have to wonder how people in the highest positions could not have at least known and covered up the details of what was taking place.

    Savile himself would boast about his connections to the royals and it was publicly acknowledged that he was a regular visitor to Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace (where Princess Diana lived after her marriage ended with Prince Charles), and Highgrove (the country estate of Prince Charles).

    Savile told Esquire: ‘The thing about me is I get things done and I work deep cover. I’ve known the Royal Family for a million years.’ (Source)

    As Icke highlights, one of Savile’s own nephews, Guy Mardsen, is now discussing what happened at Savile’s “paedophile parties” with many children coming from orphanages or children’s homes.

    To those who still think Icke might be crazy to suggest something much larger, The Telegraph just released statements from the former policeman who exposed Savile. He says that Savile “engineered” his show specifically as a vehicle to gain access to children.

    I believe he engineered his programmes within the BBC and Radio Luxembourg in order to gain access to children.

    The classic examples are Top Of The Pops, Savile’s Travels, Jim’ll Fix It – all of them gave him access to young children. That’s why there were so many victims. (Source)

    At least 300, and many more inquires.

    This is not the only scandal that large news outlets like the BBC have failed to cover. Sian Griffiths, a local council official in North Wales, collected details about allegations made between 1991 and 2000. The stacks of documents she reveals in the video below is beyond shocking, but nothing more so than the evidence of a coverup which followed the mention of high-profile figures who attended child sex parties. (Source)

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/child-sex-rings-reveal-unspeakable-acts-of-power-elite/

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  24. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    Wow. I’m pleased to see that, for a change, somebody HASN’T got off scott free just because they’re “famous”.

    Actor Lucy Lawless, along with six other Greenpeace activists, has been sentenced today after pleading guilty to illegally boarding an oil drillship in Taranaki.

    In the New Plymouth District Court today, Judge Allan Roberts sentenced the activists to 120 hours community work and ordered them to pay Port Taranaki $651.44 each.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8273450/Lawless-Greenpeace-activists-sentenced

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  25. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    @graham
    Yes only sports men + women get off scott free.

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  26. Jack5 (4,208 comments) says:

    Can Wellywood do Shanghainese and Cantonese?

    The film industry core is swinging from Hollywood to Asia, according to Der Spiegel in an interesting article in English.

    Those who back Jackson and Wellywood in Kiwiblog tend also to be ardent free marketeers. However, they may have to accept China is a heavily regulated film market. “At the moment, only 34 foreign films a year can be shown in the country. To get around this rule, American and European producers seek Chinese partners.” says the German newspaper.

    The link:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/western-film-industry-increasing-turns-to-asia-for-financing-and-distribution-a-881668.html

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  27. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    US trues to silence national hero’s account of 9/11

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=489041984465326&set=a.157996427569885.25021.157390410963820&type=1&theater

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  28. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Manolo (8,951) Says:

    February 7th, 2013 at 9:27 am
    Gareth Morgan is the new Oracle of Delphi. He knows everything and casts authoritative opinion on any subject.

    I shall nominate him for the 2013 Nobel Prize of Chemistry, Physics, Literature and Medicine. The man is pure genius!

    Why not ? Obama got one, just for looking more like his dad than his mum !

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  29. publicwatchdog (1,801 comments) says:

    Happy New Year Kiwibloggers! :)

    Seen this?

    7 February 2013

    Open Letter to the Mayor and Councillors who are members of the CEO Review Sub-Committee of Auckland Council:

    Len Brown (Chairperson)
    Christine Fletcher (Deputy Chairperson)
    Ann Hartley
    Penny Hulse
    Richard Northey
    Penny Webster

    RE: THE MEETING OF THE AUCKLAND COUNCIL CEO REVIEW SUB-COMMITTEE MEETING
    TODAY – THURSDAY 7 FEBRUARY 2013:

    Dear Mayor and Councillors,

    Please confirm that the following Agenda Items C1 and C2 items pertaining to the performance of the CEO have been removed from ‘Confidential’ as they are a matter of considerable public interest, and there is a difference between protecting the ‘privacy’ of individuals and ensuring public transparency and accountability for those in public office, particularly the ‘Principal Administrative Officer’ of Auckland Council – the CEO.

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/meetings_agendas/committees/Pages/ceoreviewsub-committee.aspx

    C1 Report on the Chief Executive’s Performance Against the 2012/2013 Objectives

    Reason for passing this resolution
    in relation to each matter
    Particular interest(s) protected
    (where applicable)
    Ground(s) under section 48(1) for
    the passing of this resolution
    The public conduct of the part of
    the meeting would be likely to result
    in the disclosure of information for
    which good reason for withholding
    exists under section 7.
    s7(2)(a) – The withholding of the
    information is necessary to protect
    the privacy of natural persons,
    including that of a deceased
    person.
    In particular, to enable the Chief
    Executive Review Subcommittee to
    examine and discuss in detail,
    progress against agreed objectives
    to the Council’s executive team,
    including free and full discussion on
    sensitive issues including privacy
    and contract issues..
    s48(1)(a)
    The public conduct of the part of
    the meeting would be likely to result
    in the disclosure of information for
    which good reason for withholding
    exists under section 7.

    C2 CEO Recruitment Process
    Reason for passing this resolution
    in relation to each matter
    Particular interest(s) protected
    (where applicable)
    Ground(s) under section 48(1) for
    the passing of this resolution
    The public conduct of the part of
    the meeting would be likely to result
    in the disclosure of information for
    which good reason for withholding
    exists under section 7.
    s7(2)(h) – The withholding of the
    information is necessary to enable
    the local authority to carry out,
    without prejudice or disadvantage,
    commercial activities.
    In particular to enable the Chief
    Executive Review Subcommittee to
    discuss the detail of the Chief
    Executive recruitment before
    information is released to the
    market and potential candidates..
    s48(1)(a)
    The public conduct of the part of
    the meeting would be likely to result
    in the disclosure of information for
    which good reason for withholding
    exists under section 7.

    “TERMS OF REFERENCE

    The Chief Executive Review Committee is established to review the Chief Executive’s performance during the 2010/2012 term of the Council and to negotiate terms and conditions of the CE’s employment including any performance agreement measures and annual remuneration.

    Relevant legislation includes but is not limited to:

    The Local Government Act 2002; and
    The Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2002. ”

    Please be reminded of your following statutory duties as enshrined in the Local Government Act 2002:

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/whole.html#DLM171803
    10Purpose of local government

    (1)The purpose of local government is—

    (a)to enable democratic local decision-making and action by, and on behalf of, communities; and

    (b)to meet the current and future needs of communities for good-quality local infrastructure, local public services, and performance of regulatory functions in a way that is most cost-effective for households and businesses.

    (2)In this Act, good-quality, in relation to local infrastructure, local public services, and performance of regulatory functions, means infrastructure, services, and performance that are—
    (a)efficient; and
    (b)effective; and
    (c)appropriate to present and anticipated future circumstances.

    Section 10(1)(b): replaced, on 5 December 2012, by section 7(1) of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Act 2012 (2012 No 93).
    Section 10(2): inserted, on 5 December 2012, by section 7(2) of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Act 2012 (2012 No 93).

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    14 Principles relating to local authorities

    (1)In performing its role, a local authority must act in accordance with the following principles:
    (a)a local authority should—

    (i)conduct its business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner; and

    (ii)give effect to its identified priorities and desired outcomes in an efficient and effective manner:

    (b)a local authority should make itself aware of, and should have regard to, the views of all of its communities; and

    (c)when making a decision, a local authority should take account of—

    (i)the diversity of the community, and the community’s interests, within its district or region; and

    (ii)the interests of future as well as current communities; and

    (iii)the likely impact of any decision on the interests referred to in subparagraphs (i) and (ii):

    (d)a local authority should provide opportunities for Maori to contribute to its decision-making processes:

    (e)a local authority should collaborate and co-operate with other local authorities and bodies as it considers appropriate to promote or achieve its priorities and desired outcomes, and make efficient use of resources; and

    (f)a local authority should undertake any commercial transactions in accordance with sound business practices; and

    (fa)a local authority should periodically—

    (i)assess the expected returns to the authority from investing in, or undertaking, a commercial activity; and

    (ii)satisfy itself that the expected returns are likely to outweigh the risks inherent in the investment or activity; and

    (g)a local authority should ensure prudent stewardship and the efficient and effective use of its resources in the interests of its district or region; and

    (h)in taking a sustainable development approach, a local authority should take into account—

    (i)the social, economic, and cultural interests of people and communities; and

    (ii)the need to maintain and enhance the quality of the environment; and

    (iii)the reasonably foreseeable needs of future generations.

    (2)If any of these principles conflict in any particular case, the local authority should resolve the conflict in accordance with the principle in subsection (1)(a)(i).

    Section 14(1)(c)(iii): replaced, on 5 December 2012, by section 8(1) of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Act 2012 (2012 No 93).
    Section 14(1)(fa): inserted, on 27 November 2010, by section 6 of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Act 2010 (2010 No 124).
    Section 14(1)(h)(i): amended, on 5 December 2012, by section 8(2) of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Act 2012 (2012 No 93).
    Section 14(2): amended, on 5 December 2012, by section 8(3) of the Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Act 2012 (2012 No 93).

    (My underlining).
    __________________________________________________________________________

    Please be advised that in order to defend the above-mentioned principles of ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local government – I for one – give notice that I will refuse to be excluded from the meeting, and shall refuse to leave the room, if Items C1 and C2 are kept in ‘CONFIDENTIAL’.

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2013

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  30. Scott Chris (5,672 comments) says:

    Donald Trump says he’s suing Bill Maher for a cool US$5 million, claiming the US comedian and political commentator has failed to pay him after Trump proved he’s not – wait for it – descended from an orangutan.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/television/news/article.cfm?c_id=339&objectid=10863745

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  31. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    Then they should have you arrested for trespassing Penny.

    Do you really think anyone READS these passive-aggressive open letters you write?

    And you don’t pay your rates anyway; so what business is it of yours? ;-)

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  32. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Secret US base uncovered in Saudi Arabia

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/8272522/Secret-US-base-uncovered-in-Saudi-Arabia/

    I can not understand this. Saudi Arabia has strict Sharia law, with the usual human rights concerns associated with that sysetm. It is a major financier of radical mosques around the world and a big source of funding for radical Islam. It is where Bin Laden was from (not Afghanistan)

    Can someone tell me why Obama is bombing the rest of the muslim world, yet is buddies with the Saudis…

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  33. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    RRM has a very good point.

    As Penny doesn’t pay her rates, what business is it of hers as to what happens at Council?

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  34. Elaycee (4,057 comments) says:

    Another year, but no change from the keyboard of the resident wannabe politician / placard waver: Ms. Not-So….

    Clearly it has not occurred to her that a performance review for an employee covered by an IEC, is not conducted in the public arena. Never has been and never will be – but I suspect she knows that already.

    Her latest effort is typical of her tactics – all hiss and wind but no substance. Similar to farting in the bath.

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  35. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    Penny is asking for transparency.

    Penny refuses to be transparent herself and answer questions.

    Penny is a hypocrite.

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  36. Keeping Stock (9,786 comments) says:

    Wow; has the shit ever hit the fan in Australian sport with the release of the Australian Crime Commission report. Who’s been doping? Who’s been cheating? And how many New Zealand players in Australian competitions have been involved in illegal activity?

    So many questions; but this story is huge

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/all-not-well-in-australian-sport.html

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  37. TheContrarian (1,043 comments) says:

    @Kea

    “Can someone tell me why Obama is bombing the rest of the muslim world, yet is buddies with the Saudis…”

    for the same reason Bush did before him I guess.

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  38. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    Awesome! We need this guy over here to teach our judges a thing or two.

    A Miami woman has been jailed on contempt charges after flipping off a judge during a drug possession hearing.

    Miami television station NBC 6 reported that on Monday, local time, 18-year-old Penelope Soto laughed when Circuit Judge Jorge Rodriguez-Chomat asked how much her jewellery was worth as he inquired about her financial assets.

    The judge told Soto to be serious and Soto said she was.

    He set Soto’s bond at US$5000 (NZ$5958) and said bye-bye. Soto laughed again and replied, “adios”. He summoned her back and reset her bond at US$10,000.

    Soto asked whether the judge was serious and he said, “I am serious. Adios”.

    Soto flipped him off and blurted an expletive as she walked away.

    Unamused, the judge called her again and sentenced her to 30 days in jail.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/8274271/Judge-trumps-middle-finger-with-jail-time

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  39. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    @graham
    ” I sassed the law and the law won”

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  40. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    hinamanu,

    David Icke also thinks a great many world leaders are reptilian aliens.

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  41. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    @Kea

    “Can someone tell me why Obama is bombing the rest of the muslim world, yet is buddies with the Saudis…”

    for the same reason Bush did before him I guess.

    TheContrarian, at what point in Obamas presidency will you stop blaming Bush ? Obama makes Bush look like a peace freak. Obama massively esculated the war in Afghanistan and attacked Muslims countries around the globe. He has announced plans to put troops in 35 more African countries this year alone. He has attacked numerous countries all over the ME and Africa. The withdrawal date from Iraq was set by Bush, btw.

    You are a product of the left wing media, which holds Obama to different levels of scrutiny than Bush was held. Obama is the biggest war monger ever to hold office in the US. I doubt this many countries had military operations in WWII. Simply parroting the msm narritive will not convince those of us better informed.

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  42. TheContrarian (1,043 comments) says:

    @Kea

    Back the fuck up – I am not blaming Bush nor holding Obama to any different sort of standard.

    It is a fact that both Bush and Obama were/are buddies with the Saudis. It is an American tradition the precedes both of them.

    You’ll ill advised rant in no way captures what I think.

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  43. meh (162 comments) says:

    I’ve just stumbled across / been linked to this steaming pile of crap:

    http://www.bigkahuna.org.nz/

    Another of Gareth Morgans bright ideas I believe… socialism at it’s finest.

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  44. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    lol..heard it all before..if a pollys commenting about saving money with a restructure it aint gona happen is it.

    “The report recommends widening the net to include those who benefit from non-fire rescue and emergency services and says if that happened the overall levy rate would fall.”

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8606390/more-should-pay-for-fire-service-report

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  45. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    TheContrarian (520) Says:

    February 7th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    @Kea

    Back the fuck up

    Shit calm down ;)

    I was simply reminding folk that the Nobel peace prize winning president is a war monger, who is even less popular than
    Bush in the Muslim world and with good reason too.

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  46. Nookin (2,886 comments) says:

    I wonder how the meeting is going?

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  47. TheContrarian (1,043 comments) says:

    Calm down? CALM DOWN!?

    I am CaLM!

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  48. Azeraph (597 comments) says:

    Kea (1,987) Says:
    February 7th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Yeah Obama can’t help the Saudi connection but in saying so America never goes to war with a trading partner yet it looks like the military complex has him in their back pocket.

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  49. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Azeraph, Obama can help the connection, but like you say, he is in the pocket of the military industrial complex.

    I would rather he be on good terms with the Saudis actually. But what annoys me is the double standard. There is no reason not to be on good terms with many other Muslim states. That is not to say the West needs to condone them, but simply not to attack them would be a good start.

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  50. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    More madness from the “everyone else is to blame” camp:

    Obese man wins $350,000 payout from GP

    A morbidly obese man dying of liver cancer has been awarded more than $350,000 from his doctor because the GP failed to refer him to a weight loss clinic or send him for lap-band surgery.
    Medical experts say the case of Luis Almario is a legal landmark in NSW and will force suburban doctors to ensure overweight patients shed kilos or risk being sued.

    “I am satisfied that but for the negligence of the defendant, the liver disease would not have progressed to cirrhosis and one could have expected a great improvement in his health generally”
    :::
    Mr Almario was awarded $569,332 in damages discounted to $364,372 on a range of mitigating factors, including that a “reasonable person” would have taken the precaution of dieting.

    Call me old fashioned, but ill health brought about by over eating is wholly the fault of the individual.

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  51. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    A very good read: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-left-could-learn-nordic-countries-next-supermodel

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  52. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Manolo, a very good read. Our resident, dewy-eyed socialists should take a long hard look..

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  53. TheContrarian (1,043 comments) says:

    I read that this morning. Quite good for the ‘third way’ model which nords enjoy

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  54. Jack5 (4,208 comments) says:

    Heading today on the web site of the Otago Daily Times : Opportunities for farming women.

    I don’t have the capital or ground for this, but maybe some of you brighter guys can get into this sort of farming.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/farming/244902/opportunities-farming-women

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  55. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I bet some of our precious sporting heros are feeling very nervous right now. Not the least Valerie Adams & the AB’s

    The use of performance-enhancing drugs – in some cases facilitated by organised crime – was unearthed in a landmark, year-long investigation. In what’s been described as a major blow to professional sport’s integrity in Australia, the ACC found that the use of banned drugs had been “orchestrated and condoned” by coaches, sports scientists and support staff across multiple sporting codes including football, rugby union, rugby league and Australian rules football.

    I guess there will still be some who think only people in “other” countries use drugs.

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  56. Viking2 (10,687 comments) says:

    Another God Bothering sexual preditor.

    A Christchurch Christian journalist has admitted making intimate videos of a student at home and a 5-year-old girl at a church expo.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8274987/Journalist-admits-child-abuse-charges

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  57. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Viking2, This man of the cloth had the answer. Just legalise kiddy fiddling. No age of consent.

    http://www.nambla.org/tom_reeves.html

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  58. Viking2 (10,687 comments) says:

    Manolo (8,955) Says:
    February 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    A very good read: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-left-could-learn-nordic-countries-next-supermode
    ————-
    Good read. but I can’t imagine this being taken up by a number of those entitled to a car.

    Politicians are vilified if they get off their bicycles and into official limousines.

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  59. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Apparently pro-life folks should STFU and keep their morality to themselves, but the architects of the liberal revolution are able to tell women that it is, in their enforceable opinion, wrong to abort on the basis of the child’s gender.

    Oh yes, because aborting an unborn child because it might be a bit inconvenient and we’d need a new car to go on holiday is just fine! , but aborting the same unborn child because it’s a girl is, according to the UK’s former health secretary quoted in the article, “morally wrong”.

    It looks like a woman’s, ahem, ‘right’ to her own body is trumped by whatever liberal doctrine is in vogue.

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  60. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    krazy, I was going to have a wee rant about that one myself, but you have stolen my thunder.

    Killing unborn boys is not a problem, for the liberals, but killing unborn girls is a big problem. Typical. Did you see the nonsense about it being too expensive to record the gender of aborted babies ? This shows how far down the UK has fallen into the mire of political correctness. We all know this is not representative of British culture, but they do not dare say it.

    For the record I am ok with abortion, but I am not ok with this PC bullshit.

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  61. chiz (1,090 comments) says:

    Politicians are vilified if they get off their bicycles and into official limousines.

    I caught a bit of Al Gore’s appearance on the Letterman show last week, flicking over during the ad breaks in something else I was watching. St Gore has put on a lot a weight. He could definitely do with fewer limos!

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  62. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    St Gore has put on a lot a weight. He could definitely do with fewer limos!

    Shhhhhh. It could upset Griff.

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  63. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    St Gore has put on a lot a weight. He could definitely do with fewer limos!

    Shhhhhh. It could upset Griff.

    Yeah Chiz, have some respect for other peoples religious beliefs ! :)

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  64. chiz (1,090 comments) says:

    Assange loses another supporter:

    Jemima Khan, a celebrity backer of Julian Assange who put up bail money for him, has gone public with her frustrations about the WikiLeaks founder, saying he demands “blinkered, cultish devotion” and should face justice in Sweden.

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  65. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    “I bet some of our precious sporting heros are feeling very nervous right now. Not the least Valerie Adams & the AB’s”

    Brilliant. I will grab some popcorn and watch the deluded, drooling All Black fans come out swinging…

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  66. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    How dead rats are sold.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tyei7wg6os7l4p4/Big%20Brother.jpg

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  67. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Found a good web site for you kea
    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/page/2/
    Should keep your faith up for another year :lol:
    And look the arctic ice is normal so much for warming …….eh……..

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  68. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    chiz, Assange may be an arsehole but he is not guilty of rape. Consent was withdrawn after they had sex, as an act of revenge, when one of the women found out he shagged her friend.

    The lying sluts should be sent to Saudi Arabia and stonned to death.

    The details of what passes for “rape” in that feminist run shit-hole of a country are truly shocking. It is also an offence to real rape victims.

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  69. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Should keep your faith up for another year
    And look the arctic ice is normal so much for warming …….eh……..

    Griff, I had a problem with ice-melt in my vodka & soda. Then I discovered the cause. I was drinking it too slowly. Another possible cause was -summer time- but I acknowledge that makes me sound like a denialist nutter :)

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  70. chiz (1,090 comments) says:

    Assange may be an arsehole but he is not guilty of rape.

    That should be up to the courts to determine rather than PR teams.

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  71. Steve (North Shore) (4,313 comments) says:

    Public Pest @ 12.22

    Paying RATES is a bit like paying UNION Fees, but you have not paid your RATES, and you want a say on Council.
    We Ratepayers are susidising your existence in Auckland.

    Pay up, until then Fuck Off

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  72. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Yes kea you are a nutter its called pigeon chess.
    You are continually saying global warming is a hoax and a fraud with no tactual proof of your assertions.
    I am sure many people around the world have come to the conclusion that all the science is actually right.
    More will continue to be directly effected by the weather extremes we are experiencing.

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  73. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    chiz, sure your right. How about we send the women to Saudi Arabia to consider the case ? In front of a proper court in accordance with the Saudi law, of course.

    He has no chance of a fair trial. It is not ok to send him to be heard in front of a corrupt court in a corrupt country. You would not suggest sending a NZ woman back to Saudi Arabia to face adultery charges, but your ok with sending a man to trial in a country with institutionalised misandry, every bit as bad as women face in Saudi Arabia.

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  74. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Griff, for someone who makes so much noise about the scientific method, you should know it is up to the person making a claim to prove it. The default is no belief.

    So far the climate has not been playing along with the “computer games models”. So I need to see some empirical evidence. It is really that simple.

    Oh and sadly for your following, fewer and fewer people are believing in AGW. The game is really over and we will see this happening over the next few years. It will get really interesting when the money starts drying up, just watch the ” scientific consensus” change then.

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  75. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    As I said pigeon chess.

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  76. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    kea, debating with Griff makes me feel like a cat with a very small mouse: Kinda fun, but knowing that in the end it will make a small, disagreeable meal :)

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  77. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Is that a “climate science” term Griffy ?

    How about looking up “ad hominem” ?

    Don’t rush, finish your joint and your lentil patties first earth child. ;)

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  78. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Speaking of pigeons… Pigeon Impossible

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  79. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Krazy. Be kind to Griff. Imagine facing every single day knowing it is all pointless and the world will end soon, any day now, as the prophet Gore revealed.

    It must really wear away at a man. It is no wonder he self medicates with cannabis to escape the helplessness of it all.

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  80. Reid (15,498 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9849620/China-frigate-locked-radar-on-Japan-navy.html

    http://www.activistpost.com/2013/02/imminent-muslim-terror-threat-debunked.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/06/1184999/-Closely-Watched-Court-Decision-Breaks-Bad-for-Wall-St-Has-A-Day-of-Reckoning-Arrived#

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  81. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Ha you guys can not talk sense
    I am sure the the majority of my posts on here reflect the trippy nonsense of the green whackos.
    Just think America had its warmest year ever
    Aussie has had the worst start to the year ever both record temperatures and record wet.
    Insurance premiums will be rising extra cost coming to a bill for you
    Corn and wheat prices will keep going up if the drought in aus the usa and Africa does not improve. More costs

    But nether mind all the blog posts and news paper story’s mean so much more than any science.
    who needs facts when you can play pigeon chess

    The ice in the arctic is back to its winter extent so much for warming. The ippcc admits that its all made up!
    No one belies any more its a massive hoax al gore sold out for millions it has not warmed for sixteen years
    All a massive conspriwhacky by the evil scientists and the corrupt governments.

    Its amazing the mental contortions you guys do to back your conspiwhacky :lol:

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  82. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Corn and wheat prices will keep going up …

    No. The prices are going up because corn and land are being used to grow bio-fuels for the AGW industry. People are starving to fuel the global AGW industry. Millions of hectares of forest are also being burnt to plant bio fuel crops, instead of food.

    The thing is, it takes more energy to produce that what is released from the fuel, but lucky for the AGW industry, it is not based on reason or giving a shit about the damage caused.

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  83. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    Tough Love vs. Spanking

    As we know it is against the law to spank children, so here’s a method to control your kids when they have one of ‘those moments.’

    One strategy that has been found effective is to just take the child for a car ride and talk.

    Some say it’s the vibration from the car, others say it’s the time away from any distractions such as TV, Video Games, Computer, IPod, etc.

    Either way, kids usually calm down and stop misbehaving after a car ride together. Eye to eye contact helps a lot too.

    I’ve included a photo below of how it works, in case you would like to use the technique.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/bi1x6izzb5dlu23/Tough%20Love.jpg

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  84. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Whatever kea

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  85. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    There is NO EVIDENCE that human cause emissions are leading to a warming of the climate. Zero. Zilch. Plenty of theory, models, but no hard evidence.

    The evidence we do have shows the models to be wrong, and with each passing year the models are revised to predict smaller temperature increases… and each year they’re proven to be still wrong… year after year predicting calamity that our incredibly resilient, stable world continues to protect us from.

    Then there’s the billions upon billions wasted. Nothing less than a massive transfer of wealth from the trusting public to scientists, commissions, alarmist mouthpieces whose out-of-control confirmation-bias keeps telling us they need more money, and we need to feel more guilty.

    Future generations will look back and ask how we were so easily hoodwinked. The answer will be, of course, that there were far too many Griff’s – gullible, fearful and ready to believe the worst, and to place unwavering trust in science as an incorruptible source of truth.

    Sad, sad, sad.

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  86. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    I was watching an documentary about the World’s Strongest Man on TV. There was a guy pulling a ten-ton truck using his teeth.

    That’s nothing. Most cyclists in NZ can hold up six 18 wheelers, four buses & a lane of cars half a kilometre long without any trouble at all.

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  87. Steve (North Shore) (4,313 comments) says:

    KK
    “There is NO EVIDENCE that human cause emissions are leading to a warming of the climate. Zero. Zilch. Plenty of theory, models, but no hard evidence.”

    I got kicked out of bed this morning for farting – yeah it was a warm one. The climate did change

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  88. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    The girlfriend’s back on the warpath again. She was up for making a sex movie last night, and all I did was suggest we should hold auditions for her part. Plaster comes off in six weeks…..

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  89. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    You didn’t follow through I hope Steve. :)

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  90. Steve (North Shore) (4,313 comments) says:

    sniff sniff.
    bullshit is in the air – and no names mentioned
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10864029&ref=rss

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  91. wat dabney (3,422 comments) says:

    Griff contends that the Easter Bunny causes climate change.

    The climate indeed changes.

    Griff has just proved – to his own satisfaction at least – that the Easter Bunny exists.

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  92. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Link kiddys to your facts else they are just made up by nutters
    Newspaper stories are not facts particularly when they do not cite their data sources

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/4/044035/article
    Comparing climate projections to observations up to 2011
    OPEN ACCESS

    Stefan Rahmstorf1, Grant Foster and Anny Cazenave

    Stefan Rahmstorf et al 2012 Environ. Res. Lett. 7 044035
    doi:10.1088/1748-9326/7/4/044035
    © 2012 IOP Publishing Ltd
    Received 19 July 2012, accepted for publication 9 November 2012
    Published 27 November 2012

    Abstract

    We analyse global temperature and sea-level data for the past few decades and compare them to projections published in the third and fourth assessment reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The results show that global temperature continues to increase in good agreement with the best estimates of the IPCC, especially if we account for the effects of short-term variability due to the El Niño/Southern Oscillation, volcanic activity and solar variability. The rate of sea-level rise of the past few decades, on the other hand, is greater than projected by the IPCC models. This suggests that IPCC sea-level projections for the future may also be biased low.

    http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1763.html
    Assessment of the first consensus prediction on climate change

    David J. Frame
    & Dáithí A. Stone
    Nature Climate Change
    (2012)
    doi:10.1038/nclimate1763

    Received
    31 July 2012
    Accepted
    01 November 2012
    Published online
    09 December 2012

    In 1990, climate scientists from around the world wrote the First Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It contained a prediction of the global mean temperature trend over the 1990–2030 period that, halfway through that period, seems accurate. This is all the more remarkable in hindsight, considering that a number of important external forcings were not included. So how did this success arise? In the end, the greenhouse-gas-induced warming is largely overwhelming the other forcings, which are only of secondary importance on the 20-year timescal

    Gee two papers that disagree with you Actual science with links to all the supporting studies and even citations form other scientists.
    Were did you guys get your facts from? back of a wheetbix packet ? or the nutto sphere?

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  93. Steve (North Shore) (4,313 comments) says:

    naaska
    ‘You didn’t follow through I hope Steve’

    na just a slow lazy fart – like all of us do – sometimes we regret, sometimes we mean it (silly old women should not block the isle and gossip or they get a fart!)

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  94. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Griff, I and others have linked to data. Also commentary from climate scientists. Some of them have written papers for the IPCC and been on the payroll. (Even when they disagree, their names are included in the scientists who support AGW theory. )

    You simply dismiss that evidence and start ranting about BIG OIL and the fictional “carbon industry”.

    Why is it BIG oil Griff ? Would it make things better if the bigger companies were divided up into smaller ones ? Why do you use the emotive term BIG ?

    It shows that you are not being honest about your motivations.

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  95. Azeraph (597 comments) says:

    On Feb the 17th the supposedly biggest environmental rally will be held in Washington DC to protest the XL pipe line from Canada to the states.

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  96. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Squawks
    Really…. conspiracy
    whacky
    Pigeon chess…..Hint it really is not a compliment.
    Your evidence consist of some thing that proves 93% of published climate scientist, all scientific bodies, the governments of the western world, china, India, Africa all small island states. Well fuck it most of the world. The majority of the population of the western world wrong?
    Prove it with links to back up your bullshit.

    Conspiracy
    whacky
    :lol:

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  97. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    There is NO EVIDENCE that human cause emissions are leading to a warming of the climate. Zero. Zilch. Plenty of theory, models, but no hard evidence.

    And there’s There is NO EVIDENCE that human cause emissions aren’t leading to a warming of the climate?

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  98. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Shouting your facts does not prove them! It just means you are blustering to cover a lack of proof for your assertion
    Now you are shiting on the board
    What evidence would you require ?

    I will leave this up Kea deleted his post

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  99. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    Global warming could’ve probably saved the Titanic if we’d had our shit together and started burning fossil fuels 100 years earlier.

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  100. Azeraph (597 comments) says:

    Ah Fuck! And there’s There is NO EVIDENCE that human caused emissions hasn’t caused warming to reach a homogenous period (not level) period until it either rises or drops.

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  101. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

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  102. Viking2 (10,687 comments) says:

    Encryption app takes secrecy to a new level

    Date
    February 6, 2013

    For the past few months, some of the world’s leading cryptographers have been keeping a closely guarded secret about a pioneering new invention. Now they’ve decided it’s time to tell all.

    Back in October, the startup tech firm Silent Circle ruffled governments’ feathers with a “surveillance-proof” smartphone app to allow people to make secure phone calls and send texts easily.

    Now, the company is pushing things even further, with a groundbreaking encrypted data transfer app that will enable people to send files securely from a smartphone or tablet at the touch of a button. (For now, it’s just being released for iPhones and iPads, though Android versions should come soon.) That means photographs, videos, spreadsheets, you name it – sent scrambled from one person to another in a matter of seconds.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/encryption-app-takes-secrecy-to-a-new-level-20130206-2dycc.html#ixzz2KCUshnyZ

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  103. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Oh griff, you poor wee thing. Simple, pretty graphs (with undescribed sources, adjustments, methodology), and pre-school quality commentary that combine to confirm your worst fears. You really are beyond rational debate.

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  104. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    “A morbidly obese man dying of liver cancer has been awarded $AU350,000 ($NZ431,700) from his doctor because the GP failed to refer him to a weight-loss clinic or send him for lap-band surgery. ”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/8275135/Obese-man-wins-432-000-payout-from-GP

    Surprise, surprise. He’s was a “Colombian-born former left-wing revolutionary and one-time candidate for State Parliament”.

    No wonder he got so fat. Greedy lefties.

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  105. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    V2 – so they’ve copied RIM’s BES server and designed it to connect with a variety of OS’s. Worth $20/month? Time will tell.

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  106. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Actually this is the level its aimed at.

    As diagnosed here.

    http://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/lewandowskyRecFury.html

    The involvement of conspiracist ideation in science denial.

    By one of those cognitive experts.
    You know the guys in white coats who help with the cognitive dissonance. :wink:

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  107. Hodor (33 comments) says:

    Climate change debate again? BORING

    What I want to know is why everyone is making such a fuss over Paul Holmes? Sure he was around a long time and stood by the HIV kid and Millie when she was in her “honk on the crack pipe” phase but I always got the feeling it was more about him.

    No one I have asked really rated him that much so I dont really know why he got knighted? Happy for someone to set me straight but in my book people who ACTUALLY make a difference like cops, firemen, doctors, nurses, teachers, surf lifesavers etc deserve to be rewarded.

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  108. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    http://esciencenews.com/articles/2013/02/06/features.southeast.european.human.ancestors.influenced.lack.episodic.glaciations
    according to research published February 6 in the open access journal PLOS ONE by William Jack Rink of McMaster University, Canada, and the international team under the direction of Dušan Mihailović, University of Belgrade, Serbia, and Mirjana Roksandic, University of Winnipeg, Canada. The fossil was found to be at least 397,000 years old and possibly older than 525,000 years old, a time when distinctly Neandertal traits began to appear in Europe. The evolution of these traits was strongly influenced by periodic isolation of groups of individuals, caused by episodic formation of glaciers. Humans in southeastern Europe were never geographically isolated from Asia and Africa by glaciers, and according to the authors, this resulted in different evolutionary forces acting on early human populations in this region.

    Who’d a thunk westerners are Neanderthal crosses. Hybrid vigor?

    John boy was right

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  109. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    nice post Hodor. @ 9.53

    Well done.

    Look forward to more common sense from u in future,

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  110. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Hodor- I believe the knighthood was Holmes’idea himself?
    I found it bloody hypocritical that he threw his toys out of the cot and tried to end some careers when the media dared to report that his beloved daughter had become a crack whore. This from a guy who spent half his life digging dirt on people…
    Not a fan at all.

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  111. Hodor (33 comments) says:

    Bereal, as I said, happy for someone to point out the reasons why he was knighted

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  112. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Griff, Many folk wrongly think of Neanderthals as our ancestors, when they are usually considered a different branch of the family tree altogether. However a bit of cross breeding has often been contemplated. They were, for rather a long time, the dominant hominid.

    I note with interest the reference to “episodic formation of glaciers” which speaks to a highly variable range climatic norms, with warming leading to the development of modern man. :)

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  113. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Griff (4,214) Says:
    February 7th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    I will leave this up Kea deleted his post

    No Kea did not delete anything.

    In fact I do not recall ever deleting a post. However, It does lead us rather smoothly to this:

    The involvement of conspiracist ideation in science denial.

    By one of those cognitive experts.
    You know the guys in white coats who help with the cognitive dissonance.

    By conspiracy you mean people who imagine comments mysteriously vanishing from KB and a global "climate experiment" being conducted by BIG OIL and the shadowy Carbon Industry ?

    Griff, get a grip. I don’t post after a bottle of vodka, you should not after huffing on your bong all night sitting in your boat waiting for the global flood. ;)

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  114. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    People may wonder why
    morons like Griff or Kea dont get a life.

    Of course the answer is they like fucking each other,
    they love it, the retards,
    these fucking drongs can keep it up for day after day,
    week after week, year after year.

    Just watch as these morons prove the point, Kea and Griff
    Griff and Kea, Kea and Griff
    Etc. etc.
    Guess what.
    These fucking retards will have another go at each other again tonight.

    How sad,
    as my 10 year old daughter would say,
    just saddos.

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  115. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Glug Glug teach

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  116. axeman (250 comments) says:

    GRIEF says “I am sure many people around the world have come to the conclusion that all the science is actually right. ” Bwahahahahaha

    Just over one month into the year and the gwiffknuckle’s CAGW theory is being punched around the ring. :-)

    To recap, 2012 was an unprecedented year of disaster and defeat for the Greens and warming alarmists, it was a year that on the face of it offered much hope to the watermelons, in June there was going to be the Rio+20 Earth Summit, COP18 in Doha was going to build on the progress of COP17 and the Durban Platform and the European Union was going to single-handedly enforce a flying tax on the world.

    Instead it all went to hell in solar powered hand cart, as Green defeat followed Green defeat.

    2013 Will Be The Worst Year For Warmists Since Records Began
    http://toryaardvark.com/2013/01/02/2013-will-be-the-worst-year-for-warmists-since-records-began/

    The start of the worst year for ALARMISTS began on January 1st when Russia announced that it will never sign up to a new Kyoto, which means the other major emitters like China, US and India will never sign up either, without the so called major emitters the whole premise of a climate agreement is worthless, and 2013 is the year the truth will finally sink in for Big Green.

    Then a leading German Daily Announces: “Global Warming Has Stopped”, Questions IPCC Models

    “It took them 15 years to notice it: CO2 is not driving the climate.”
    By P Gosselin on 8. January 2013

    German online daily Hamburger Abendblatt here has a story titled: Global Warming Takes A Break, citing the leaked copy of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, which is due to be released in September, 2013. The Hamburger Abendblatt writes:

    “The preliminary text is very clear that the global temperature increase does not follow the continuous rise of CO2 emissions. That’s water on the water-wheel of climate skeptics, who argue that it is more the impacts of the sun that warm the Earth, and greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, less so.”

    The Hamburger Abendblatt asks:

    “Just how reliable are computer simulations that, although they correctly predicted the CO2 increase of the last 15 years, were completely off with the temperature development?”

    Global temperatures have stagnated since the new millennium began. To answer that question, the German daily asks (alarmist) professor Jochem Marotzke, Director of the Max Planck Institute für Meteorology in Hamburg. He told the Abendblatt: “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.”

    Maybe plateaus do show up in the models here and there. But none of the models showed a plateau for the last 15 years.

    Marotzke then insists that the record low Arctic sea ice extent measured last summer shows that things are heating up. Yet, strangely, he develops amnesia when it come to the Antarctic record high sea ice extent recorded last fall.

    The Abendblatt also writes that Marotzke is also annoyed that the IPCC AR5 draft was released prematurely, claiming that “it didn’t belong in public” and that “It is like stealing an unfinished car from the factory and then complaining that it is not complete.”

    Marotzke adds:

    “Anyone who signs up via the Internet and says he is an expert participates in the process. He only has to name 5 publications, which however are not assessed by the IPCC. We simply expect the information to be true. This openness makes us vulnerable.”

    http://www.abendblatt.de/ratgeber/wissen/article112396213/Die-Erderwaermung-macht-erst-mal-Pause.html

    Concerning his “unfinished car” analogy, Marotzke is saying that they forgot to put on the hood to hide the fact that the car doesn’t have, and never will have, a CO2 engine.

    Marotzke says “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.” Then maybe we should stop asking the lavishly funded bureaucrat scientist stand-ins such complicated questions so they can concentrate on getting their next report cleaned up; They still have quite a lot of stuff to sweep under the rug.

    They have busy schedules. They constantly need to travel from one tax payer funded congress to the next, not to mention the EU funded prices they need to collect for their efforts of saving the planet.

    The German scientists report states that “Global Warming Is Taking A Break“. And that’s hard to miss when you look at the latest global temperature chart in the following link:

    http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/09/ocean-heat-content-based-model-by-german-scientists-shows-continued-global-cooling/

    “We should not wonder that the first quarter of 2013 will be approx. one tenth of a degree C cooler than the previous months because the push by the last mini El Nino, which ended in fall 2012, is over. After a slight warming of a few hundredths of a degree in the second quarter of 2013, a tenth of a degree of cooling can be expected for the fall of 2013. This of course is only if no huge ENSO event occurs during the 2nd half of 2013.”

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  117. axeman (250 comments) says:

    Then a new study by Israeli Earth Scientists finds “No Significant Human-Induced Warming”

    “…our rejection of AGW is not absolute; it might be a false positive, and we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.”

    At the journal Earth System Dynamics, M. Beenstock, Y. Reingewertz, and N. Paldor have published a paper titled “Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming”. The authors conducted an exhaustive statistical analysis of data from 1850 through 2007, applying the technique of cointegration, which the authors describe as follows:

    Cointegration theory is based on the simple notion that time series might be highly correlated even though there is no causal relation between them. For the relation to be genuine, the residuals from a regression between these time series must be stationary, in which case the time series are “cointegrated”. Since stationary residuals mean-revert to zero, there must be a genuine long-term relationship between the series, which move together over time because they share a common trend. If on the other hand, the residuals are nonstationary, the residuals do not mean-revert to zero, the time series do not share a common trend, and the relationship between them is spurious because the time series are not cointegrated.

    You can follow the link http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/3/561/2012/esdd-3-561-2012.html for the statistical details, but here is the authors’ conclusion:

    We have shown that anthropogenic forcings do not polynomially cointegrate with global temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, data for 1880–2007 do not support the anthropogenic interpretation of global warming during this period. This key result is shown graphically in Fig. 3 where the vertical axis measures the component of global temperature that is unexplained by solar irradiance according to our estimates. In panel a the horizontal axis measures the anomaly in the anthropogenic trend when the latter is derived from forcings of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide. In panel b the horizontal axis measures this anthropogenic anomaly when apart from these greenhouse gas forcings, it includes tropospheric aerosols and black carbon. Panels a and b both show that there is no relationship between temperature and the anthropogenic anomaly, once the warming effect of solar irradiance is taken into consideration.

    Interestingly, the authors also conclude that the data admit the possibility that CO2 and other “greenhouse gases” could contribute to to a temporary increase in global temperatures:

    However, we find that greenhouse gas forcings might have a temporary effect on global temperature. This result is illustrated in panel c of Fig. 3 in which the horizontal axis measures the change in the estimated anthropogenic trend. Panel c clearly shows that there is a positive relationship between temperature and the change in the anthropogenic anomaly once the warming effect of solar irradiance is taken into consideration.

    Other scientists will weigh in on these findings, as the debate over climate continues to rage. Still, it is increasingly clear that the most reliable and sophisticated scientific work tends to show that the ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING HYPOTHESIS is WRONG. In that sense, it is fair to say that a consensus is emerging.

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  118. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    bereal (2,374) Says:
    February 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    People may wonder why
    morons like Griff or Kea dont get a life.

    Of course the answer is they like fucking each other,
    they love it, the retards,
    these fucking drongs can keep it up for day after day,
    week after week, year after year.

    Griff, you should help out our buddy bereal and send the poor chap a bag of weed. I think the booze is not working for him.

    See ya back here later for more fucking :)

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  119. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Actually, an effing drong such as Kea can keep it up 4 even longer than i thort.
    On and on and on sum more,
    12.15 am and still at it.

    bet he can’t stand not having the last word.
    The poor weak sod.

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  120. axeman (250 comments) says:

    Just for you Kea …. Andrew Bolt fisking the CAGW nutters

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/in_the_faint_hope_that_emerson_has_an_open_mind/

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