Homeless

February 9th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Nothing about man Lindsay Evans shouts money.

Everything from the worn clothes to the grime screams tramp, and there’s the down-and-out expression of a man with nowhere to go and nothing to do but hope for something better.

Yet as the 53-year-old sucks hungrily at another freshly rolled Bali Shag cigarette in Garden Place, the Hamilton man says his savings add up to $76,200.

Homeless, but can afford to smoke.

For dinner the previous evening Mr Evans ate half a packet of $2.59 Home Brand pretzels. For breakfast, he ate the other half.

How much do cigarettes cost?

Now he can’t wait to get back into employment, as long as it’s the right work, and get a roof over his head.

In the past three years he has applied for more than 800 jobs and hasn’t had a single interview.

Not sure he can afford to be so choosy. But why no jobs?

It’s a grim, boring life, he says. Miserable even. He once went without a shower for seven months – not a big deal.

Could be a good idea, if he does get an interview.

First there’s breakfast, closely followed by one of up to 20 cups of the cheHomeapest instant coffee available.

20 cups a day?

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50 Responses to “Homeless”

  1. Redbaiter (8,318 comments) says:

    Another worthless parasite in league with big socialist government and therefore quite comfortable with the immorality of stealing money from those who earn it.

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  2. Scott Chris (6,024 comments) says:

    The guy plainly has a personality disorder. Street dwellers generally do. Would you employ him?

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  3. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    The guy plainly has a personality disorder.

    @Scott Chris,

    What personality disorder?

    as long as it’s the right work

    Entitleitis?

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  4. Tookinator (221 comments) says:

    Quite a few people with personality disorders get employment. They’re caled MP’s…

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  5. Redbaiter (8,318 comments) says:

    “The guy plainly has a personality disorder. ”

    Personality disorders are rife, as your name being linked to the sick ideology of liberalism demonstrates. Such an affliction doesn’t mean you’re automatically spared the inconvenience of moral restraints.

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  6. Kea (11,989 comments) says:

    the Hamilton man says his savings add up to $76,200.

    So he has enough money to rent a flat/room, get some decent clothes and have a shower. He may find he then gets a job. This is a non-story about rich peoples problems.

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  7. Psycho Milt (2,405 comments) says:

    Hopefully you’ll all find yourself in his situation at some point, so you get an opportunity to demonstrate just how superior to him you are.

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  8. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    @Psycho,

    Hopefully you’ll all find yourself in his situation at some point

    You are, of course, referring to being in the situation of one’s choosing? That being the situation that he is in.

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  9. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    What a revolting and repugnant post – The homeless are people who have suffered great misfortunes in life, frequently mental illness and they suffer greatly.

    There is often not very much we can do to help them but they do not exist for us to look down our snooty noses at them and feel superior.

    Something has gone badly wrong for this poor man he needs our compassion not our sneers

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  10. Kea (11,989 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt (1,172) Says:
    February 9th, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Hopefully you’ll all find yourself in his situation at some point, so you get an opportunity to demonstrate just how superior to him you are.

    I have. I got a job. I did not have his savings either. I consider him blessed by unusual good fortune, as would any person who was suffering genuine hardship.

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  11. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    How did Lindsay get on Kiwiblog.

    The only evidence of his wealth is his constant smoking. he also never goes hungey He is also intelligent and can talk on deep histories.

    As usual the knee jerk reaction is he’s ripping off the tax payer. A complete myth. He has independent funding probably from family inheritance with interest building.

    he did say he would love to study but some physcological problem bars that. Although he can talk deeply on political and social issues.

    What he does do is stand out as the bottom tier of society the govt is creating that have no right to financial assistance
    and no hope of employment.

    As usual the boring middle class and its ilk jump to judgements and feel betrayed he’s not Maori and can accuse him of gravy training.

    I will say he needs to change his clothes more often and have some pride in himself. He could get himself an Asian mail bride !!!

    Plus he’s well aware of all the gold diggers hahaha

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  12. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Now does anyone want to talk about Kahu. Famous on the streets of Hamilton

    Has his own Face Book page and doesn’t know it

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  13. hj (6,841 comments) says:

    The reality is that when it comes to ability the population follows the normal curve. Also every part of our intelligence and behaviour has a biological vector. All it takes to send someone off the rails is nature doing a bit of genetic experimentation, a difficult birth or a poor (as in deficient ) upbringing.

    The libertarian would say: “it’s my right to trample on your weakness”.

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  14. Komata (1,161 comments) says:

    I don’t know if this is germaine to the discussion, but last year Lindsey appeared in a Waikato Times article as being someone who was seriously looking for work. Lindsey is well-known in central Hamilton (if you know where to look) and yes, he is a very intelligent individual. At the time the ‘Times article appeared, he had ‘applied for more than 500 jobs’. He subsequently appeared ‘in public’ looking quite natty and well dressed. I for one was pleased as things seemed to be looking-up for him. Sadly though, that stage didn’t last and he has now gone back to what can best be described as ‘street’ clothes (although they are always very clean and tidy). Not sure why this is the case, but I do wonder if he has somehow become so innured to the ‘street’ that, because has been home for so long he simply cannot get out of it; escape its clutches if you will. However, as I’m not a psychologist, that is mere speculation on my part. I wish him well, and hope that ‘one day’ he will in fact be able to’escape’ his situation (if he wants to, of course).

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  15. Kea (11,989 comments) says:

    The libertarian would say: “it’s my right to trample on your weakness”.

    hj, no a libertarian would not say that. A libertarian would allow that person to live the life they choose, which is what that man is doing. He is not broke and is not living on the street for want of other options.

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  16. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A parasite who got his 15 minutes of fame. Nothing to admire in him, all to despise.

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  17. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @manalo…. how do you know

    How is he infringing on anyone?

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  18. hj (6,841 comments) says:

    A libertarian would say that a property owner in NZ should be free to sell to anyone in the world to obtain the highest price and that capital should be free to go where ever it wants to find the cheapest labour, and if wages and conditions in this country sink to a world low it doesn’t matter because somewhere wages my have risen on average. Libertarians don’t see a world of limits or the world economy functioning within the worlds ecosystem hence don’t recognise overpopulation or climate change.

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  19. nasska (11,154 comments) says:

    From the link that DPF provided:

    …..”He still pops an Olanzapine and Venlafaxine pill each morning to keep the intense worry at bay. “…..

    Olanzapine is an antipsychotic drug used to treat schizophrenia & the manic phase of bipolar disorder.
    Venlafaxine is an antidepressant.

    It’s not hard to draw the conclusion that Mr Evans is not a well man. Some doctors will hand out antidepressants like lollies but antipsychotics are prescribed for known conditions. He is almost certainly the victim of “community care” policies pushed by Dear Leader in order to shut down facilities dedicated to treating disorders such as these.

    Trouble is that the promised psychiatric help was never adequately funded & the community doesn’t care.

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  20. Scott Chris (6,024 comments) says:

    What personality disorder?

    I don’t know, obviously it was just a guess. Presumably he’s become socially isolated because he is a societal misfit, and from the resultant loneliness he’s drawn to the street because there are other humans there, albeit ones that generally treat him scornfully. Oh, and the article does state that he’s mentally ill and is on medication.

    Hell, that’s the nature of society. Take a 1000 people at random. A few do really well, most do okay and a few do really badly. It’s one measure of society as to how we choose to treat the unfortunate few.

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  21. Psycho Milt (2,405 comments) says:

    The libertarian would say: “it’s my right to trample on your weakness”.

    Basically, the post is a libertarian trampling on this guy’s weakness. (Not that “weakness” adequately sums up the kind of problem for which you get regularly issued with anti-psychotic drugs.)

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  22. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    the dude is nuts.

    as for stuff – what was the point of this story?

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  23. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    Someone considerably wiser than I once observed that

    “any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest.”

    I don’t know who this guy living on the streets in Hamilton is, I can only go by my own experience; I had a high-level corporate job, good health, a young family and a home in an expensive, quality suburb. 20 years go I was diagnosed with a arterial-venal malformation in my brain the size of a large mandarin, that began causing grand mal seizures. My employer for whom I had worked my guts out arranged a “redundancy” that suddenly left me without enough to cover the mortgage, let alone medical insurance and every other bill.

    This occurred simultaneously with the break up of my relationship with my children’s mother. At the time it felt like when you’re a kid and you are spinning along happily on your bike and clip a lamp-post without warning because you were looking the other way. Blindsided.

    Suddenly I’d gone from being highly popular and accepted by society, to feeling as if I was a spare wheel, with little relevance and a tumour that could bleed and kill me at any time. Every few weeks I would collapse on the spot, crap my pants, macerate my tongue and recover over the next day or so. This is a hard situation to be in and continue to feel optimistic about. For the sake of my kids I soldiered on, and finally found I was forced to seek help from Social Welfare – I resisted as long as I could, paying my own way until all my reserves were spent. I then reasoned that, having paid tax and supported other beneficiaries, it was my right to apply for some relief also.

    I know that behind my back, some of my “friends” criticised me for being a lazy bludger.

    After applying for many, many jobs and dutifully informing them that I suffered from epilepsy but that it was by then under control through subsidised medication – another story really; I applaud Pharmac – I did not gain any traction in the job market and was reduced to doing odd-jobs around the neighbourhood for a pittance. A lot of friends drifted away at this stage, and so the support network that most of us rely on whether we realise it or not, was not there to help me through. A couple of good, true friend have stayed loyal throughout, however.

    Wanting to take my luck into my own hands I went to Uni and completed an MBA over 16 months, leaving with a great sense of achievement and pride, I then started to apply for some terrific jobs in the private and public sector. In almost every case I got second place, after what amounted to an humiliating series of interviews where I was being used to justify taking on the person without the disease.

    After nearly a year my remaining reserves were used up, I had a 30k student debt and still no job.

    I started my own business, teaching myself to work on the web and studying furiously to blend my existing knowledge with new technologies. I had to forgo driving, which meant I saw less and less of my kids, and take no holidays. I have been extraordinarily fortunate that my elderly parents have been in a position to back me financially, but this is hardly a long-term option. I have of course discontinued drawing a Sickness Benefit (or whatever euphemism is used) and am determined to stand on my own two feet. My nascent business is funded entirely by debt, there are terrifying cash-flow chasms and many sleepless nights – I expected this with a new business, but the last four years have been one long slog without much light at the end of the tunnel.

    Last week ACC threatened to bankrupt me if I did not pay my bill. I am negotiating with IRD to make sure I pay my fair share of taxes, only too aware that the Health System has invested heavily in my, using taxpayer funds.

    I therefore have considerable sympathy for those less fortunate the I, when you see someone in the street you have no idea of their story, and you should at least consider that were it not for pure luck – because no-one can see the future, everyone’s decisions are 50% chance – it could be you.

    When someone asks me for money I don’t often tell them to piss off and get a job, I consider that they have descended to a place where they are willing to publicly humiliate themselves for a few coins to survive. Although I rarely can spare anything, I’ll usually give them half of my coins.

    Some of you thoughtless twerps posting on this forum really need to get a life – building up your ego at the expense of someone else’s is the classic mark of a bully.

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  24. snowy (108 comments) says:

    Dime – the purpose of the story is to show how uncaring John Key and the evil centre right gummint is.

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  25. Sonny Blount (1,848 comments) says:

    “Some of you thoughtless twerps posting on this forum really need to get a life – building up your ego at the expense of someone else’s is the classic mark of a bully.”

    Brian is an expert on ego, he just spent half the thread talking about himself.

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  26. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    Good point Sonny. How was I to show where my perspective was otherwise?

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  27. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Use smileys Brian. :) :)

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  28. RRM (9,774 comments) says:

    :-( So now every thug in Hamilton knows this guy’s worth $70k – way to go, Stuff!

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  29. nasska (11,154 comments) says:

    Brian Griffin

    Like any group there will be a few arseholes here who are totally unable to empathise with anyone. Most however, would understand the problems of someone with a broken leg but unless they have had some contact with a friend or family member with an unseen or mental illness find it easy to write the situation off to lack of guts or laziness.

    I was one of those until my stepdaughter was finally diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It turned the family’s lives upside down & even now her problem although understood & medicated will never be cured. I suspect that the subject of Stuff’s story is in a similar position.

    You’re obviously giving it your best shot…..I hope it works out for you.

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  30. Sonny Blount (1,848 comments) says:

    Brian Griffin (5) Says:
    February 9th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    Good point Sonny. How was I to show where my perspective was otherwise?

    Of course your unrelated story is essential to to the topic at hand.

    Maybe you’re the only person here who has ever been seriously ill or has any life experience?

    Argumentum ad verecundiam is going to make this blog a very long read.

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  31. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Absolutely Brian Griffin. Kiwiblog brings the coward keyboard fascists out who are still in hiding till they have a govt that will substantiate them – which unfortunately isn’t far away

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  32. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    Thanks Nasska!

    An affliction that is not physically obvious is hard for people to comprehend. As you say, a broken leg easily garners sympathy, however it’s not sympathy we need, it’s understanding. Empathy is probably too much to ask for.

    I really appreciate your supportive comment, and good wishes. I hope your family is also regaining some sort of normalcy.

    :)

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  33. Sonny Blount (1,848 comments) says:

    thoughtless twerps… ego … bully.

    arseholes

    coward keyboard fascists

    Ahhh empathy.

    Is that when you defend one obvious target and get stuck into another?

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  34. duggledog (1,503 comments) says:

    Ah Jesus. Says he has $76,200 in his bank account. Did the journo ask for any verification of this or did he just take his word for it? Because the last seemingly intelligent homeless dude I talked to said he owned a twelve bedroom house in Epsom.

    If we assume he is telling the truth and has got the money, well he’s representative of a huge swathe of New Zealanders who have been conditioned to take from the ever generous state and give nothing back in return. Sweet as bro. At least he’s saved it!

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  35. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    “any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest.”

    Like gay child adoption?

    Like children who are in homes with complex dysfunctional parents who will never make an enviroment where children thrive?

    As has been said before “The massed ranks of the welfare state hesitate!”

    The nation as a whole can’t be blamed for what the government WON’T do!

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  36. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    The Brian Griffin I know is a cartoon alcoholic dog.

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  37. Redbaiter (8,318 comments) says:

    “any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest.”

    That is crap.

    Worthless socialist crap.

    Its up to individuals and their families to look after each other, its got nothing to do with any “nation”.

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  38. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    Oh well done Gazzmaniac. As they say “On the internet, no-one knows you’re a dog” :)

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  39. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    @ Harriet

    Not sure what gays adopting children and giving them a loving home when other won’t has to do with that quote, nor those dysfunctional environments where children have their future taken away from them either – your quote leaves me mystified. Your point, though probably decipherable, is lost on me. My kids come from a “broken” home – they are loved and well cared for, confident and high achievers, with both a strong sense of right and wrong and a semblance of social conscience. It doesn’t make them socialists or anything else. I can’t speak for anyone else’s.

    @ Redbaiter

    That quote is variously attributed too Churchill, Truman, Dostoevsky and Ghandi, amongst other. It might represent what they conceive to be an ideal to strive towards, or just a platitude to quell the unrest of the masses, but either way it’s hardly crap, and indeed, not necessarily socialist either.

    Nor worthless. It is at least worthy of intelligent consideration, before dismissing in such a prejudicial manner.

    A “nation” is composed of individuals, so what you have stated is that actually you agree? I find that hard to fathom, unless you have confused “nation” with “State”, as in a government.

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  40. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    Sorry Sonny, I missed your posts.

    I never said I was an authority.

    I can only speak from my own perspective, and therefore saw that without stating my “unrelated” story I could not make the point I wanted to make. And I wished to point out that from where I stand, most of the posters were taking an ill-informed shot at this homeless guy who possibly has all sorts of reasons for his position – conceivably even that he is a lazy, drug-addicted bludger who choses to live in filth.

    So yes, I stand by my statement that thoughtless “twerps” were behaving in the classic manner of bullies everywhere. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings if you identified with that, and meant you no offence.

    Do you have a reason why you are taking the position that you are? – At the risk of making this a very long forum, of course. :)

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  41. survival (1 comment) says:

    Profile: Male. 53. Suffers from a mental illness. No kids. Has five siblings. A baby boomer too. This is one baby boomer we should not be bashing! He’s on anti-psychotic, depression and diabetic medication. I can’t imagine what it would be like to live on the streets. If this man was capable of living a normal life he would live a normal life. In saying that it is a shame he is unable to withdraw his funds and pay cash for a cheap house in another town. If he had less than $8,100 cash in the bank he would also qualify for the accommodation supplement. This would mean he would get a lot more than the net $168 per week he gets now. If he also had assistance with his overall presentation, he might be able to get a job (unlikely at his age), go off the benefit and get a flatmate. I wish him all the best and, hopefully, he can be assisted in Hamilton.

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  42. Steve (North Shore) (4,544 comments) says:

    This guy is no more a victim than I am. He is a bludger, taking the easy way, he is liking his lifestyle.

    As for his drug addiction, he is working the System fine.

    I once met a guy who was doing this. He had a MK3 Ford Cortina with a V8 that had heads on the motor from a two stroke train engine; he was in the process of selling it to Mick Jagger.
    No BS – Taharoto Unit North Shore.

    I was at the Unit to drive a patient’s car away

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  43. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    @ Steve do you still have his number? My Cortina is really hard to start since I put two cycle heads in place of the overhead valve train arrangement. running pretty lean – seems to get no fuel at all. Mick reckoned it was because it was a V8, but I reckon I know better.

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  44. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    How the fuck can you fit the heads off of a two stroke turbo diesel onto a petrol V8?

    Mick must have been more stoned than the seller if he bought that deal! :)

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  45. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    That’s what I thought Johnboy. Ship two-strokes sometimes have sliding cylinders that act as valves, some diesel truck engines have an exhaust valve in the head, but if you had a standard four-stroke V8 it is totally unfeasible. Ergo, I think Steve was implying his old MK3 mate was as mad as a meataxe.

    Still, if i ever decide to throw in the towel and live off the state as a mental inmate, I know what to tell them, aye.

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  46. Left Right and Centre (2,933 comments) says:

    Steve-

    The guy has apparently applied for 800 jobs or something. And says he wants to work.

    How is he a bludger genius? He might be delusional… but if you are at least making the right noises… ‘I want to work’…

    If he’s looking for work, then he’s looking for work. Doesn’t matter how unlikely he is to get it. If he can’t get a job does that make him a bludger?

    Just be thankful it’s not you. I’d love to see how enjoyable you found his ‘lifestyle’. I’d say it’s more akin to ‘coping’ than ‘enjoying’ in his case.

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  47. Left Right and Centre (2,933 comments) says:

    Homeless, but can afford to smoke: Yeah, he’s not paying any rent… he can afford to smoke… duh!! And it doesn’t say how much he spend on it. Could be $10/ week or $50. I can’t see anything in the article….

    How much do cigarettes cost? Geez mate… I don’t know… if you’re a dude that gets 10 out of 10 on every political pub quiz I’d have thought you could look that one up or know from your own infinite general knowledge.

    Not sure he can afford to be so choosy: Choosy? That’s an average of one job application every other day… slightly more even. How many do you want him to apply for? Every job on planet earth? And he’s been granted one interview. Out of 800 job applications?

    Why no job? Because he’s probably unemployable with quite a few problems of varying descriptions. And he’s been granted one interview. Out of 800 job applications? 0.0125 success rate getting an interview. That’s why. You’d have to ask the employers or recruiters why they wouldn’t interview the man. Out of 800 job applications you’re bound to get some fruitcake do-gooders who would try to help him as a charity case and he’d end up on Cambpell Live right after old chipmonk face has finished spoonfeeding hot gruel into some brown Northland kids mush in the previous segment.

    20 cups of coffee a day? What the fuck else are you going to do if you’re homeless? That’s nothing mate… nothing. 20 is nothing. I’ll do 20 cups of tea in a day and that’s nothing. Waiting for an upcoming exam I was doing 600mls of tea every five minutes at it’s worst. I’m not exaggerating. It was the only cop-out I had left to get away from continual revising and cramming. 20 is nothing. It’s five cups every four waking hours on average. That’s nothing. I hope he drinks sixty cups.

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  48. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    The man has over $70k on fixed term deposits. They require rolling over on a regular basis at the very least. Given that they are spread across three banks is a very strong indicator that he makes decisions about what to invest where and for how long at a time. His obvious medical condition may result in those decisions not being optimal, but clearly he is able to make rational decisions on his investments. And has been able to do so for some time.

    I certainly do not begrudge him his public health system support for his conditions. I would hope that no one else would either. To say that those conditions somehow make him incapable flies in the face of the other evidence presented in the article.

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  49. Brian Griffin (22 comments) says:

    I’m becoming jaded with this now. dude’s a bit of a loser, let’s let it go. I have very little faith in Stuff or the accuracy or completeness of their reportage, and this reeks of a beat-up story out to get some more traffic.

    Let’s not continue to rise to their bait.

    How many thousands of other more important issues are there? One can imagine the editor going “Homeless man has $70 grand in the bank! – What a great headline”. And he says he has tried for what, 800 jobs? Who fact-checked that? And we know that he is on prescription medication, and that those drugs are for psychosis and depression. Really? I’d be depressed too, not really national news.

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  50. HC (153 comments) says:

    This man is one of a fair few, and growing in numbers all over NZ, I am afraid. I see more of homeless and even beggars, some clearly mentally unstable and unwell, quite regularly. To blame them for being able to afford some tobacco or cigarettes is not fair. You can hardly compare addiction to a now very expensive habit to be the unacceptable reason for not having a shower and renting a room.

    Rents are high in many places, certainly in Auckland, and although a bit cheaper in Hamilton, not that affordable there either, that is when you have NO income, except perhaps a benefit.

    As this man appears to have “savings” he must clearly be mentally ill. He may have disorders that make it difficult for him to be acceptable to most landlords. So some will say he “chooses” to be homeless, but I feel one can only “choose”, if one is of sound mental health and can make sensible decisions.

    Mental health in NZ is neglected in many ways, despite of some improvements over the years. Some fall between the gaps, and this person is one of them. He clearly needs some proper supervision and care out of the ordinary. But it seems, the system is not geared for delivering that.

    The media like such odd stories, but do they help the man and offer any answers?

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