Access to abortion leads to better overall health outcomes for children.

As a general rule, parents do not take good care of children that they don’t want or cannot support.

Obviously statistics mean nothing to the individual. I know many Maori who have gone on to have very successful, well paid careers; underprivileged and otherwise. The reality is however whether Maori or not, those coming from a lower socio-economic group will struggle more and require MORE effort and ambition to achieve the same results as someone from a middle class family. Not to mention that if you are raised to value ambition and effort you are much more likely to display those traits than if you are brought up to accept mediocrity.

The fact is that there are significantly greater numbers of Maori in these groups and to me there seems to be a pretty strong link between this and colonialism.

That’s not to say that Maori cannot make there own way and be very successful and it’s great to see that an increasing amount are!

The reality is that a lot of Maori do very well for themselves – an ever increasing rate since the 60′s.

And like white people, it’s mostly a matter of ‘ambition’ in doing whatever one does: a job for example, that they ‘succeed’ at or not.

Whites and Maoris from all backgrounds and all industries have succeeded, and if you ask them why, the reply is nearly always ‘effort’.

And ‘effort’ goes hand in hand with being ‘ambitious’ because ‘effort’ for the most part is an ‘action’, and ‘ambition’ is what drives the action of ‘effort’!

Easy isn’t it.

The vast majority of Maori do engage in western medicical practice. It is not the “stupidity of following old Maori prejudices” that have held them back, it is the vicious colonisation process that has been proven time and time again to cause intergenerational trauma to indigenous races throughout the world resulting in significantly below average statistics in health as well as crime, average income, etc.

Perhaps do a little research into the matter Barry and try and discover the actual cause of these upsetting Maori statistics.

Something is obviously wrong and I’m pretty sure its not that Maori have an extra “dumb” gene.

I guess by your reasoning, modern drugs and treatments – which are obviously a substantial factor in ADDING to an already drastically snowballing world population – are a bad thing then, Pete?

Have a look at the abortion rate and then look at what progress we would have made!

Whether you support the right of people to have abortions and use contraception or not they have been a substantial factor in limiting a drastically snowballing world population.

If modern medicine and nutrition were combined with an uncontrolled birth rate we would be far more drastically overpopulated.

Catherine Delahunty was born in Gisborne?

hahhhhhahhahahhhaah

Progress? Have a look at the abortion rate and then look at what progress we would have made!

“Progress”.

Oh BTW….the word you were trying for is “aberrant”…never pays to try and use impressive words without checking with the dictionary first old fella….

That’s good to know. I wonder if all schools do it, or just some, and if you said no, would they deny that child entry?

Don’t parents have to provide proof that all shots are up to date?

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I don’t think so, but if you try to book a dog into a kennel, it will have to be fully immunised. Goodness knows what future historians will make of that!

Don’t parents have to provide proof that all shots are up to date?

I would love to know what part lifestyle plays.

Back in the 50′s/60′s, despite damp housing, kids got more sunshine, more time taking part in physical activities, and weren’t so ‘fussy’ about cleanliness. Bare feet were in ‘fashion’.

Has our sterile technological world, actually endangered our children, more than it has saved them?

http://www2.stats.govt.nz/domino/external/web/nzstories.nsf/3d7ba81fd31d11adcc256b16006bfcf3/9c46248aeb4cd608cc256b1800059072?OpenDocument

note also the change in Maori ethnicity definition from Sep95

It is frightening. It came up in a paper I did years ago. We were shown some old footage of those that lived. How anyone could risk their child’s health in such a way seems insane to me. It is a disease that we have not managed to eradicate and is very much still a threat. Polio is not selective in who it infects either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

NZ has fallen from 6th best in the world to 29th and is now *double* that of the best countries. Many of the countries that are now doing better than NZ actually started from a far worse position. Some had many times higher than NZ death rate in the 50′s – but somehow overtook us.

Why is that?

Would be interesting to see a breakdown of causes of death and at what age (assuming this is U5MR), also doctors vs midwives, etc.