Is this the affordable housing they have promised?

February 21st, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The days of tiny “shoebox” apartments in Auckland could come back if a new rule in the unitary plan is passed.

The Auckland Council draft unitary plan is proposing to reduce the minimum apartment size from 35 square metres to 30sq m plus a minimum balcony space of 8sq m.

This must be what Labour has in mind for under $300,000!

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21 Responses to “Is this the affordable housing they have promised?”

  1. wreck1080 (3,922 comments) says:

    is this a joke?

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  2. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Labour Party housing is a tiny apartment. In Mangere.

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  3. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    Why have a minimum at all? If people WANT to buy 30sqm, or 20sqm apartments, why should this not be allowed? Let the market decide what size apartments are built and bought.

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  4. iMP (2,386 comments) says:

    Move to Christchurch and live in a garage or a shipping container.

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  5. Carlos (683 comments) says:

    Small, cramped conditions are good for encouraging disease outbreaks, aren’t they?

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  6. lazza (381 comments) says:

    Now hang on a minuet people.

    We can’t have it both ways.

    Either a first home (2 persons no kids starter) for say the first 4 or 5 years while some equity is accumulating is the answer or it is not. I happen to think it is (like back in 1967 a mini flat in Mt Eden to start with).

    Youngsters need to cut their cloth, a City apartment for their first up lifestyle has huge positive cost benefits so lets not stay fixated on a quarter acre 3 bedroom up market all flash facilities first up house … and

    Get real re YES! … Affordable (say $350K) inner City apartment-housing. Is that not the point of this discussion

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  7. simonway (387 comments) says:

    I would think you would be opposed to regulations like this, dpf, and thus in favour of making them less onerous.

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  8. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    Small apartments in large blocks will become slums where owners or tenants are effectively held as prisoners by ethnic crime gangs. Think Porirua or Mangere on a vertical plane as opposed to horizontal.

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  9. SPC (5,636 comments) says:

    a 30 sq meter resdience on display

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTYuMlryeM

    At the end of this video there is a 35 sq meter design by Ikea video

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  10. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    a 30 sq meter resdience on display

    Note Asian voices.

    I can’t see the point of living in New Zealand in a shoebox. Isn’t space a primary reason to live here?

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  11. AJP (20 comments) says:

    Auckland will be the new “East Berlin” of the South Pacific.
    Welcome to our own Little “Socialist Paradise”.

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  12. hane (69 comments) says:

    If you’d ever been to East Berlin, you’d know that the apartments there are much nicer and larger than they are in New Zealand. Especially for the money they cost.

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  13. Steve (North Shore) (4,564 comments) says:

    May as well use two 6M containers, that’s 30M sq

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  14. peterwn (3,274 comments) says:

    I am no fan of Len Brown, but I commend him for putting these issues squarely on the table. I think that established residents in leafy suburbs have a disproportionate amount of political clout with respect to Council land use decisions. The Council should be reaching out to those with disproprtionately less political clout, especially those with reasonable expectations and see what their needs are. They may be quite happy to have a CBD ‘shoebox’ as their first dwelling rather than ‘drive and ride’ from some small flat in Tuakau, Waiuku, etc. Se my comments on equivalent item at Whaleoil and let me know if I am like Stattler or Wardolf:
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/02/len-brown-isnt-helping-labours-cause-on-affordable-housing/#disqus_thread

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  15. AJP (20 comments) says:

    @hane

    I think you are right. The apartments in East Berlin are far nicer then the ones they build here.

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  16. hj (7,031 comments) says:

    Population increase is government policy. Land can’t be “supplied” without infrastructure and the overburdened taxpayers/ratepayers pay for that.
    Libertairians would be happy for people to be living in cartons.

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  17. peterwn (3,274 comments) says:

    Peter – but the Greens want to bottle up all possible land for reserves, organic farming, &c, &c. That people need somewhere to live is not their problem.

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  18. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Labour Partys palatial housing plan for the poor shown for the first time: :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8331521/Body-went-unnoticed-for-four-days

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  19. pq (728 comments) says:

    I have lived inside a 35sq m apartment in Bangkok and it is not funny. Once you put down a bed and a table and a washing space there is not much left. If you live in 35 sq m you really do have to love your wife . It would be dificult to add children .
    The outside balcony 8sq m is usually the washing line . In my residence at Bangkok the residents were a shifting group. Many of the apartments were held by people who only visited Bangkok.
    Every day here in NZ my wife just stands out on our lawn and trees and looks at the sky in happiness.

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  20. peterwn (3,274 comments) says:

    pq – you are implying all housing should be suitable for at least three people. Why cannot people have access to housing suitable for one person if it suits their needs. I know someone in London in a ex-council apartment block where owners can rent a bedroom/shower for their guests. This sort of ‘outside the square’ thinking is needed in NZ. If someone in a ‘shoebox’ gains a partner, child, etc they just sell and buy something bigger.

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  21. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    hj…..Libertarians would be happy to let people live as they choose….and can afford. Housings not a right….and theres certainly no such right as a right to a roomy 1/4 ache section at someone elses expense.

    Get the bloody local and National Governments out of the equation altogether and problem solved….by people making choices for themselves.

    Now lets see the bleeding heart lefty altruists get all butthurt and vote me down….a fuck I give not…truth hurts.

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