Comments on: Is this the affordable housing they have promised?

By: The Scorned

The Scorned — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:32:33 +0000

hj…..Libertarians would be happy to let people live as they choose….and can afford. Housings not a right….and theres certainly no such right as a right to a roomy 1/4 ache section at someone elses expense.

Get the bloody local and National Governments out of the equation altogether and problem solved….by people making choices for themselves.

Now lets see the bleeding heart lefty altruists get all butthurt and vote me down….a fuck I give not…truth hurts.

By: peterwn

peterwn — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:43:11 +0000

pq – you are implying all housing should be suitable for at least three people. Why cannot people have access to housing suitable for one person if it suits their needs. I know someone in London in a ex-council apartment block where owners can rent a bedroom/shower for their guests. This sort of ‘outside the square’ thinking is needed in NZ. If someone in a ‘shoebox’ gains a partner, child, etc they just sell and buy something bigger.

By: pq

pq — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:08:59 +0000

I have lived inside a 35sq m apartment in Bangkok and it is not funny. Once you put down a bed and a table and a washing space there is not much left. If you live in 35 sq m you really do have to love your wife . It would be dificult to add children .
The outside balcony 8sq m is usually the washing line . In my residence at Bangkok the residents were a shifting group. Many of the apartments were held by people who only visited Bangkok.
Every day here in NZ my wife just stands out on our lawn and trees and looks at the sky in happiness.

By: Johnboy

Johnboy — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:46:45 +0000

Labour Partys palatial housing plan for the poor shown for the first time:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8331521/Body-went-unnoticed-for-four-days

By: peterwn

peterwn — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:44:11 +0000

Peter – but the Greens want to bottle up all possible land for reserves, organic farming, &c, &c. That people need somewhere to live is not their problem.

By: hj

hj — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:38:49 +0000

Population increase is government policy. Land can’t be “supplied” without infrastructure and the overburdened taxpayers/ratepayers pay for that.
Libertairians would be happy for people to be living in cartons.

By: AJP

AJP — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:04:29 +0000

@hane

I think you are right. The apartments in East Berlin are far nicer then the ones they build here.

By: peterwn

peterwn — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 06:57:56 +0000

I am no fan of Len Brown, but I commend him for putting these issues squarely on the table. I think that established residents in leafy suburbs have a disproportionate amount of political clout with respect to Council land use decisions. The Council should be reaching out to those with disproprtionately less political clout, especially those with reasonable expectations and see what their needs are. They may be quite happy to have a CBD ‘shoebox’ as their first dwelling rather than ‘drive and ride’ from some small flat in Tuakau, Waiuku, etc. Se my comments on equivalent item at Whaleoil and let me know if I am like Stattler or Wardolf:
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/02/len-brown-isnt-helping-labours-cause-on-affordable-housing/#disqus_thread

By: Steve (North Shore)

Steve (North Shore) — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:29:31 +0000

May as well use two 6M containers, that’s 30M sq

By: hane

hane — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:57:53 +0000

If you’d ever been to East Berlin, you’d know that the apartments there are much nicer and larger than they are in New Zealand. Especially for the money they cost.

By: AJP

AJP — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:08:35 +0000

Auckland will be the new “East Berlin” of the South Pacific.
Welcome to our own Little “Socialist Paradise”.

By: Peter

Peter — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:33:09 +0000

a 30 sq meter resdience on display

Note Asian voices.

I can’t see the point of living in New Zealand in a shoebox. Isn’t space a primary reason to live here?

By: SPC

SPC — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:16:19 +0000

a 30 sq meter resdience on display

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTYuMlryeM

At the end of this video there is a 35 sq meter design by Ikea video

By: nasska

nasska — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:50:38 +0000

Small apartments in large blocks will become slums where owners or tenants are effectively held as prisoners by ethnic crime gangs. Think Porirua or Mangere on a vertical plane as opposed to horizontal.

By: simonway

simonway — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:41:06 +0000

I would think you would be opposed to regulations like this, dpf, and thus in favour of making them less onerous.

By: lazza

lazza — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:40:36 +0000

Now hang on a minuet people.

We can’t have it both ways.

Either a first home (2 persons no kids starter) for say the first 4 or 5 years while some equity is accumulating is the answer or it is not. I happen to think it is (like back in 1967 a mini flat in Mt Eden to start with).

Youngsters need to cut their cloth, a City apartment for their first up lifestyle has huge positive cost benefits so lets not stay fixated on a quarter acre 3 bedroom up market all flash facilities first up house … and

Get real re YES! … Affordable (say $350K) inner City apartment-housing. Is that not the point of this discussion

By: Carlos

Carlos — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:27:55 +0000

Small, cramped conditions are good for encouraging disease outbreaks, aren’t they?

By: iMP

iMP — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:20:06 +0000

Move to Christchurch and live in a garage or a shipping container.

By: s.russell

s.russell — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:18:57 +0000

Why have a minimum at all? If people WANT to buy 30sqm, or 20sqm apartments, why should this not be allowed? Let the market decide what size apartments are built and bought.

By: davidp

davidp — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:12:55 +0000

Labour Party housing is a tiny apartment. In Mangere.