More from the buffoon

February 22nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Shane Cowlishaw at Stuff reports:

has shown his claws in a public catfight with an SPCA board member.

The philanthropist and economist held a public meeting in the Wellington suburb if Karori last night, where he put his case for creating the first “confined cat” suburb, to protect native birds in the Zealandia sanctuary.

As part of his presentation, he produced a “Wanted” poster naming Wellington SPCA board members, accusing them of being ill-equipped to deal with the cat catastrophe.

But one of the wanted men was in the audience, and took issue with Dr Morgan.

Emanuel Kalafatelis said he had been prepared to listen until things got personal. He pleaded: “For God’s sake, let’s not jump into this. Let’s at least get all the facts. Let’s get New Zealand-based facts. Not global facts.”

Dr Morgan responded: “I’m not going to support any organisation which in effect is attacking New Zealand’s wildlife . . . these people have no ethical compass.

Pathetic and puerile. Also a degree of bullying.

He stressed he was not campaigning for the eradication of all , but simply restrictions on where they could roam.

“This is not an assault on indoor cats. I don’t care how many confined cats you have – what I care about is where they wander.”

But that is not true. His website is called “Cats to Go“. It has a section on how nice NZ would be with no cats at all. He advocates no one has a cat at all, rather than just keep them inside.

There is room to debate the SPCA policy on cat colonies. There is also room to have an education campaign on keeping cats indoor, putting a bell on them etc. A debate on those issues would be good.

But you can’t both have a sober sensible debate on that, and also be the hysterical person launching websites calling for all cats to go, and personally vilifying SPCA board members.

You can choose the option that gets lots of publicity for yourself, and achieves nothing but pisses people off. Or you can choose the harder option of trying to have a sensible sober debate on responsible cat ownership. It is a shame Morgan has chosen the former and goes for headlines over effectiveness.

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52 Responses to “More from the buffoon”

  1. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    I hope it is costing his business interests lots of money.

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  2. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    The Greenie Gareth Morgan has lost his marbles, and has become a subject of deserved ridicule and derision.

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  3. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    He has sold up all his businesses that he built on being a strong capitalist. Now he is showing his true political colours. You would have to ask the question that did he build his businesses on pretending to be someone when he wasn’t that at all.

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  4. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    It is a shame Morgan has chosen the former and goes for headlines over effectiveness.

    Sounds a lot like John Key when he chose the populist route of ruling Roger Douglas out of cabinet instead of using his expertise in changing the country’s shit ass economy.

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  5. Pete George (23,683 comments) says:

    Forcing cats to stay inside is not as bad as battery farming but it’s getting towards that – it keeps them in a totally unnatural environment forcing them to live contrary to their instincts.

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  6. Jim (398 comments) says:

    Perhaps he’s actually a cat lover and this is all some form of high satire.

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  7. hj (7,063 comments) says:

    National Realestate’s Hit Man says: “Down with the buffoon Morgan”

    “You don’t need a fancy Commission, costing over $4 million a year, to tell you what to do about house prices and worsening housing affordability.

    It’s blindingly obvious.

    There are four significant forces behind the housing affordability problem.

    These forces affect all of New Zealand and are particularly obvious in Auckland;

    A tax policy which favours housing over every other type of investment.
    Reserve Bank rules which encourage banks to lend to housing at the expense of other borrowers.
    The local government practice of subsidising the housing costs of people who buy into new subdivisions and.
    Pressures for businesses and people to locate in key business hubs such as Auckland in preference to other areas in New Zealand.
    http://garethsworld.com/blog/economics/gareths-five-point-housing-plan-for-new-zealand/

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  8. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    The thing that really worries me is that some people listening to Gareth Morgan will be inspired to take matters into their own hands and start killing pet cats that wander onto their properties. There was a letter to the editor in the SST to that effect a few weeks back by a woman who said a friend of hers used a gin-trap (totally illegal!) on the Kapiti Coast to kill and maim the neighbourhood cats until her garden was left cat-free.

    Here’s my post about it: Gareth Morgan Cat Hunter and Inspiration to Sadists.

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  9. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    I do have a small part of agreement with Morgan. Cats are an amazingly successful predator, and will kill anything – even if its just for sport. Having said that, they are also a beautiful animal – ignorant and full of themselves, unlike a dog – but a beautiful animal nevertheless.
    Its peopl like my younger sister who at various times has 10 or 12 cats at her place – she won’t spey or neuter them, and so they breed and infest the neighbourhood; so people are as much the problem as the cats. I also think that the way SPCA take in kittens and abandonned cats is wrong – they should put them down. But at least, they neuter them before putting them out to homes.

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  10. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    All we need now is for him to announce his candidacy for Wellington Central, as the NZ First candidate!

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  11. cha (4,078 comments) says:

    >Forcing cats to stay inside is not as bad as battery farming but it’s getting towards that – it keeps them in a totally unnatural environment forcing them to live contrary to their instincts.

    Tell that to the owners of the stud cats who spend their entire lives indoors.

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  12. Viking2 (11,564 comments) says:

    ah yes well we all know that dogs have masters and cats have servants.

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  13. RRM (10,012 comments) says:

    When we lived in Karori our cat killed plenty of mice and rats, no birds though.

    [Karori… damp, cold, overpriced, overrated. I can’t tell you how happy I am that the RRMs no longer live in that forlorn hole of a place. Nevertheless I do still feel a bit of local interest in this story. ]

    About half of Karori is further away from the Karori Sanctuary than flash Highbury, Northland and Kelburn where the rich & powerful live.

    It is interesting that Morgan isn’t telling those people that they should keep their cats indoors, and ideally they should not be allowed to have cats in their suburbs at all…

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  14. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “headlines over effectiveness.”

    Exactly how the media grooms the public acceptance of state agendas.

    John Banks spoke out against cats several years ago as well.

    Watch the media anti cat spin begin

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  15. Viking2 (11,564 comments) says:

    slightlyrighty (2,222) Says:
    February 22nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    All we need now is for him to announce his candidacy for Wellington Central, as the NZ First candidate!

    ———————–
    Or Mayor of Wellington Candidate.
    Either will be fun

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  16. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    “All we need now is for him to announce his candidacy for Wellington Central, as the NZ First candidate!”

    Thought Morgan was an ACT man. Obviously kept close cover about that lol

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  17. lastmanstanding (1,300 comments) says:

    Morgan is a reverse of the usual ‘Thanks Dad” In his case its ‘Thanks Son” for the windfall he and wife got out of Trademe. His Kiwisaver scheme wasnt that good and his investment advice is the past has been mediocre at best.

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  18. David Garrett (7,538 comments) says:

    Gareth Morgan: Giving men with moustaches bad press since 1978…

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  19. Viking2 (11,564 comments) says:

    One should say that the SPCA are part of the problem.
    Our workplace is less than 100 meters from the local SPCA. We back onto a long and wide valley that has lots of bush, a road and open spaces.
    A local lady gets strays, has them neutered and then lets them go into the valley just a few hundred meters from our place.
    where they proceed to become a pest. the SPCA know what she does and don’t care nor are they interested in collecting the strays.

    what can ya say but that Morgan is onto these duplicitous pricks.

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  20. hj (7,063 comments) says:

    I think if the skies were full of birds people might think twice about them. Personally I like cats but I am also in admiration of the blackbirds who seem to manage to reproduce year after year despite the cats. I think NZ/ Aotearoa (pffft) would be a boring place if we couldn’t have a cat. I remember my cat lying along my back on a cold frosty night and gently biting my back when I rolled on it also squealing with a mouthful of rat it had brought inside (twice in one night).

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  21. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    I’d pay to watch Morgan and Prosser fight it out in an epic battle of the lunatics. It’s be in a steel cage. It’d be like the WWE, with plenty of steel fold up chairs stored under the ring so they could hit each other.

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  22. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    The cat colonies have to go. I have Gareth Morgan to thank for making me aware of them.

    And I suppose Gareth Morgan has people like David Farrar to thank for giving his publicity drive more mileage.

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  23. RRM (10,012 comments) says:

    In our experience SPCA are dribbling loons V2. I have no idea what they are doing but it is doubtless wrong and stupid.

    [When my wife’s cat slipped its collar and then got shipped to the SPCA by her weirdo neighbour some years ago, they demanded hundreds of dollars for its return – which she didn’t have, as a sole mum doing an apprenticeship – and had her in tears calling her an animal abuser, saying “no she’s not your cat anymore” etc etc]

    Just utterly deranged little cat people, getting off over the idea of their own righteousness. If Gareth Morgan is slamming them then at least he’s doing something right…

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  24. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    blackbirds who seem to manage to reproduce year after year despite the cats

    Well duh. They’ve evolved along side them. Our native bird species haven’t.

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  25. Ross12 (1,454 comments) says:

    You can criticise his methods all you like but he has got people talking about an issue which to most would normally be a very mundane issue. If he went about it the “normal” way it would not get into the MSM or any where else.

    I think he has a point and cats should be registerd just like dogs.

    Lastmanstanding — obviously Kiwibank did not think his KiwiSaver scheme was too bad, given what they supposedly paid for it.
    There seems to be a large dose of the “tall poppy” syndrome going on here.

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  26. dime (10,101 comments) says:

    My cat hasnt bought home a dead kiwi in months…

    lucia – if someone killed my cat i would knock them out. its that simple. if it was a woman i would destroy her garden. probably salt the earth for good measure :)

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  27. joe bloggs (126 comments) says:

    What is it with dickheads like Morgan, that the moment they become rich they believe their opinion really matters? If he put this much effort into reducing child abuse in NZ then I’d have some respect for him. But killing cats? Pffft…

    As for the Karori Sanctuary? It’s surrounded by a frickin’ pest-exclusion fence that’s been tested against nearly 200 animals (including rats, mice, cats, stoats, possums, weasels and ferrets). Ummm, Gareth, have a look at the list – doncha think eradicating rats, stoats, weasels or possums might just be a bit more constructive use of the money you made out of your son’s efforts??

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  28. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    I think he has a point and cats should be registerd (sic) just like dogs.

    Why do you want more state interference in your life? Why?

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  29. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Dime, you’d have to know who was responsible, though!

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  30. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    The SPCA should not be releasing cats back into the wild.

    I am pleased that Gareth Morgan is bringing this to people’s attention (as I wasn’t aware of it before he raised the issue).

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  31. Yogibear (372 comments) says:

    Yogibear would like to announce his candidacy for the Wellington Mayoralty, given the probable contenders of Gareth Morgan and Celia Wade Brown.

    Yogibears policies are as follows:
    1: The mayoral bicycle will be replaced with one of Terry Seripisos’ reposessed powder blue Ferraris
    2: The people of Karori will have their suburb declared Gareth Morgan free. They deserve many things, but not Gareth Morgan.
    3: Soames Island will be reacquired from DoC, with the quartantine centre reopend. It will be used henceforth to confine Gareth Morgan in the interests of cats, their owners, Phoenix fans and the taxpayer via NZ On Air (where we’ll no doubt see another self-indulgent “documentary” from Mr Morgan in the near future).

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  32. trout (944 comments) says:

    Thankyou Gareth for awakening the public to the cat menace. I walked in the Waitakeres for 3 hours the other day in almost dead silence. Why? Because the bush is infested with abandoned wild cats that have decimated the bird life. A new neighbour has brought with them a pedigree female cat – an attractive blonde as it happens. We are now inundated with unneutered Toms howling and fighting at night (7 different varieties of cat at last count). If Gareth has entered into a ‘reasoned, rational debate’ no one would have listened.

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  33. Yvette (2,846 comments) says:

    My cat is an avian liquidator – she does kill birds.
    So far this year she is one ahead of the number I have hit in the car, on the nearby country road where it is impossible to avoid those birds that burst out of the long grass at an unfortunate moment.

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  34. dime (10,101 comments) says:

    trout – i suggest moving to be a better area.

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  35. Bullion (69 comments) says:

    The issue of cats having a negative impact on NZ’s native species (not just birds) has been made many times before e.g.:
    http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/thursday-may-17-4892662/video?vid=4892861
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/in-our-nature/8215461/Staging-a-pussy-riot

    The only reason this issue has gotten attention and been a topic of discussion is because of Gareth’s use of hyperbole. You only hope that those alerted to the issue look at the facts presented:
    http://sciblogs.co.nz/politecol/?tag=cat

    And then see that there are steps you can take to minimise the impacts on NZ:
    http://garethsworld.com/catstogo/#section-n5

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  36. hj (7,063 comments) says:

    @ Chris Snot:
    My point was that I care about the black bird in the garden.

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  37. Ross12 (1,454 comments) says:

    I think the line being drawn by many on this that because Gareth has taken on an environmental issue his politics must Green is absolutely ridiculous.
    I happen to agree with the general thrust of his argument on this ( maybe not the detail of it) but my political views are far from the general Green Politics ( most of which are just far left and little to do with the environment now).
    People who have concerns about an environmental issue can come from all political persuasions.

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  38. Jack5 (5,151 comments) says:

    Better a plague of cats than a plague of rats.

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  39. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Take my cats life I take yours…..fairs fair…

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  40. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    Feral birds! Won’t someone think of the insects???

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  41. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    For people who supposedly care about property rights, you seem fine with people keeping animals that wander and cause a nuisance to others.

    Find a way to keep your cat on your own property, or don’t have a cat. It’s that simple. Other countries manage with indoor cats.

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  42. Manolo (14,049 comments) says:

    Other countries manage with indoor cats.

    Cuba? It cannot be North Korea, where cats are eaten.

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  43. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Nope. North America. Raccoons and the like don’t do well with cats, so they stay indoors. Works just fine.

    The problem is that New Zealanders are feral. Case in point: go to any beach with a “no dogs” sign. And there’s bound to be at least one asshole with a dog, probably unleashed and running up to random people.

    It’s really simple. Don’t force other people to live with the unpleasant consequences of your private choice of pet.

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  44. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Lots of wealthy people who never have to work again take up social causes and in the case of the extremely rich not always but often there are hidden agendas. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the work of George Soros are but two of the more well-known global examples, albeit most people really do think their works are designed to benefit the recipients of their largesse because that’s what the media says and in the latter’s case, most people don’t even know what he actually does fund, because the media doesn’t tell people. But the point is it seems to be a trait of the global rich, to do this sort of thing, under the cover of “philanthropy.”

    However here in tiny little naive NZ, we find our tiny little junior George Soros local equivalent trying on the same thing but instead of being all subtle and understated about it like the big boys are, Gareth goes completely OTT from the get-go, immediately blurting out the main objective and then not resiling when it appears the populace isn’t very mad keen on the idea of getting rid of their beloved living companions. I mean crikey, who woulda thunk. Apparently he doesn’t even get the elementary fact that cats are wild animals, they enjoy hunting, that’s what their genetic structure is, and you can’t really do that indoors and remain a healthy, free wild animal, even if you spend your entire life indoors and you’ve known nothing else since birth, since it’s in your genes. Apparently, Gareth doesn’t even get that.

    But he’ll continue with this, I can tell. He won’t give up, that’s not Gareth. He didn’t get where he is today, by giving up. I suggest he talks to Peter Jackson or Abramov or James Cameron. One of them could probably put him in touch with one of the big boys who could explain how to go about it in a way that achieves the objective yet doesn’t make him look like a complete and utter plonker in the eyes of just about everyone in NZ apart from his immediate family. But it may be too late, for this campaign. They may counsel him it’s just a bridge too far. They may say look, cut your losses, you can’t win, it’s too late to turn it around. Publicly apologise, pay for a giant indoor cattery, with a secret waterslide if you really want to torture them, but leave it at that and just move on. Try this plastic surgeon in Switzerland and start again.

    The problem is that New Zealanders are feral. Case in point: go to any beach with a “no dogs” sign. And there’s bound to be at least one asshole with a dog, probably unleashed and running up to random people.

    Isn’t it disgraceful Tom. How dare they. A dog at the beach, loping around and just being a great big silly, as they often do, at the beach. Well I never.

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  45. pq (728 comments) says:

    more from the buffoon on tax

    http://garethmorgantax.blogspot.co.nz

    Whale oil gave reference to an excellent article, which described the main predators as being possums, stoats and rats, I will try to find it and post

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  46. pq (728 comments) says:

    Sorry I can not find the paper, but it was from Commissioner of Environement mainly about how to deal with bird and tree predators. It dealt with 1080 extensively. Our main enemies of birds are tree climbers, .. possums eat eggs, stoats just move in and eat anything alive ir dead flesh and so do rats. Within the article there was no mention of family cat who gets the odd black bird.
    Gareth Morgan is completely mad, he is not dangerous any more and totally isolated with his money and his
    moustache and hair lip

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  47. pq (728 comments) says:

    yes here it goes
    a report on which predators are harmimg NZ birds
    No moggy mentioned

    http://www.pce.parliament.nz/assets/Uploads/PCE-1080.pdf

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  48. PaulD (97 comments) says:

    pq, no family moggy mentioned but cats certainly are “2.3 The biggest threats to our forests
    There are a number of mammals that threaten our native ecosystems – possums,
    deer, wild pigs, rats, feral cats and stoats to name a few. However, in terms
    of forests there are three that consistently feature on the ‘most wanted’ list –
    possums, rats and stoats.” “3.4 … DOC faces a much greater challenge. It must try to kill rats and stoats as well as possums, along with other pests such as cats.”

    Why does the SPCA decide that a cat colony isn’t feral just because some nutter promises to feed them?

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  49. hj (7,063 comments) says:

    I see the buffoon Morgan doesn’t think councils should fund infrastructure for new developments.
    That aint the soft gentle massaging (of the facts) the building industry wants is it?

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  50. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Isn’t it disgraceful Tom. How dare they. A dog at the beach, loping around and just being a great big silly, as they often do, at the beach. Well I never.

    Or they could simply go to one of the many beaches that doesn’t have “No Dogs at Any Time” signs posted everywhere by the local council. But that would require exercising some kind of responsibility on their part, or the ability to read which they don’t seem to possess. What part of “No Dogs” don’t these morons understand?

    You’re the kind of feral idiot I’m talking about. If people were responsible with their animals, we wouldn’t need draconian rules.

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  51. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    Just sold a mattress on trademe, and as took it out of the garage realised one of the neighbourhood moggies had been emptying its bladder onto one corner.

    Knighthood for Gareth.

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  52. pq (728 comments) says:

    Steve Wrathall (111) Says:
    February 23rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    Just sold a mattress on trademe, and as took it out of the garage realised one of the neighbourhood moggies had been emptying its bladder onto one corner.

    Knighthood for Gareth.

    Know what you mean Steve , once the cat piss is in there its fucked .
    I shut my garage at night besause many cats in this neighbourhood, and they don’t seem to have civilised toilet habits

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