Pirates

February 28th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Their supporters call them heroes. The Japanese government calls them terrorists.

Now the United States’ largest federal court has declared them pirates.

Which they are. You can be against whaling, yet also against who a dangerous bunch of liars.

In doing so, the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals castigated Paul Watson and members of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society he founded for the tactics used in their relentless campaign to disrupt the annual whale hunt off the dangerous waters of Antarctica.

“You don’t need a peg leg or an eye patch,” Chief Judge Alex Kozinski wrote for the unanimous three-judge panel.

Kozinski is a brilliant judge.

“When you ram ships; hurl glass containers of acid; drag metal-reinforced ropes in the water to damage propellers and rudders; launch smoke bombs and flares with hooks; and point high-powered lasers at other ships, you are, without a doubt, a pirate, no matter how high-minded you believe your purpose to be.”

So very true. They have a long record and history of violence, including ramming ships and mining ships to sink them.

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43 Responses to “Pirates”

  1. Brian Harmer (686 comments) says:

    I have no brief for sea shepherd, and don’t admire them. No, let me be clearer. i condemn their terrorist approach. But how does a US court give itself jurisdiction?

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  2. Nookin (3,257 comments) says:

    “But how does a US court give itself jurisdiction?”
    Probably in the same way that USADA gave itself jurisdiction over the Tour de France.

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  3. Colville (2,242 comments) says:

    One team of Navy Seals (dressed as Ninja ! ) floated out from a fast attack sub would fix the problem… ;-)

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  4. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    The Japs are sending a navy boat to sort it out. I hope they deal to Sea Shepherd most brutally.

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  5. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    The court has jurisdiction under the Alien Torts Statute of 1789.

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  6. F E Smith (3,324 comments) says:

     But how does a US court give itself jurisdiction?

    Alien Tort Statute relying, it seems, on Articles 101 & 102 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    Laws giving domestic courts foreign jurisdition are not as controversial as might be thought.  Consider the various child sex tourism laws around the world, for example.

    EDIT: Metcalph, snap!

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  7. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Brian Harmer (650) Says:
    February 28th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    The USA think they are the international policeman – and they think that applies to trade deals also…..

    And I hope and pray that the Japs sink a couple of their boats (not their own – the idiots playing lose and fast on the high seas).
    These are the same people that think man is causing global warming and they are using the same tactics to ensure that we are ‘saved’…..

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  8. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    Laws giving domestic courts foreign jurisdition are not as controversial as might be thought.

    The controversy about the Alien Torts Statute is that some people have attempted to use it against US companies that do business with human rights abusing governments.

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  9. Brian Harmer (686 comments) says:

    Barry your post at 3:32 appears to attribute to me, things I never said.

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  10. seanmaitland (488 comments) says:

    “Kozinski is a brilliant judge.”

    How did you decide that? From a single statement?

    While what they do is reckless, and life-endangering, I see little in the way of suggestions from anyone on a better way of making an impact.

    Would you rather some politicians sat in a boardroom somewhere and discussed it? How about blogging about it – that would certainly disrupt what the whalers are doing!

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  11. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Kozinski is a brilliant judge.

    Why, did he declare that Japan is continuing to kill whales illegally and faces severe punishment if it continues?

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  12. kowtow (8,135 comments) says:

    And what gives the pirates of Sea Shepherd jurisdiction on the high seas to act contrary to the rules of the sea?
    The first being not to endanger life at sea.

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  13. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    How about blogging about it – that would certainly disrupt what the whalers are doing!

    Yeah I’m sure Paul Watson will stop hassling the illegal whale hunters now that DPF has had a whinge about him. :)

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  14. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    These pirates are so misunderstood.

    Disadvantaged upbringings, perpetual diet of mung beans, THC addled brains, difficulty mastering showering and to cap it all off, a life of being surrounded by other Greens.

    They need Kiwi support and compassion, and they’ll probably get it.

    But from the Japanese navy?

    Hmmm, not so sure.

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  15. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    But how does a US court give itself jurisdiction?

    You should be asking how a bunch of self appointed busy-bodies gave themselves the jurisdiction to dictate to the sovereign nation of Japan.

    The Japanese can hunt and kill what they like in international waters or in their own waters. Get over it greenies. It is not illegal.

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  16. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    Not only that, but they’re missnamed.

    Shepherds herd (or protect) sheep. Whales are knows as the “cows of the sea”.

    Therefore, they actually should be called the Sea Cowboys. Wait, that seems like a really good way to describe them. Wonder why they don’t use that? :D

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  17. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    Why, did he declare that Japan is continuing to kill whales illegally and faces severe punishment if it continues?

    Japan is killing whales lawfully under the relevant international treaties. You (and Sea Shepherd and others) can reasonably think that Japan should not be killing any whales at all but international law has never been about being nice to whales (or Tibetans for that matter) but requiring that States live up to the agreements they sign.

    A case in point: the shooting of hostages was not a war crime during the first and second world wars (it is now). The only nation to actually shoot hostages to enforce good behaviour in occupied territories was Germany but its practice was lawful insofar as no treaty had been made to abrogate the practice. Where the Allies punished Germans for the shooting of hostages, they did so on the grounds that the number of hostages shot was excessive to the original disturbance.

    So in order for the killing of whales to be declared illegal, there would have to be a treaty banning the practice (and preventing research whaling). The only problem is Japan won’t sign it, Norway won’t sign it and Iceland won’t sign it. Without their signatures, any treaty will not be binding on them.

    One could go to war and require the whaling nations sign the treaty as a consequence of any peace but that’s a rather poor precedent to set…

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  18. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

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  19. Lance (2,619 comments) says:

    Except the Japs are hunting in the Southern Whale sanctuary.
    As in no whale hunting allowed.

    Australia looks pathetic in doing nothing about it. The Japs are giving the big fuck you to Aus.
    What’s next, fishing in Australian territorial waters?
    They probably already are fishing in NZ waters, who would know and what the fuck could we do about it, probably diddly squat.

    Nice

    However the Sea Sheppard is out of line with it’s actions.

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  20. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Brian Harmer (651) Says:
    February 28th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    You asked how come the US has given itself jurisdiction….

    I was just helpfully advising you….
    Well – in typical US fashion, theyve decided that they have and being the bully they are – thats the end of the discussion.

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  21. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    Whilst being uncertain about the legality of the Japanese whale catching activities, it is surely self evident that the activities of those brave and fearless fellows on Sea Shepherd are almost certainly illegal.

    (No doubt someone au fait with international maritime law as it applies in the deep Southern Ocean can explain.)

    And good on Uncle Sam by the way. Its clear no-one else has the ability to do much about this sure-to-end-in-tears-or-worse nonsense.

    And anyway, what is that saying? ‘Two wrongs don’t make a right” In my book Sea Shepherd is the villain of this piece.

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  22. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    While some are moaning about the Japs taking few whales, we have some problems closer to home.

    Great Whites are a protected species under NZ law and I am distressed to have just heard a news report that the police are believed to have shot to death one of these magnificent creatures.

    It is an offence and I will be looking to see the prosecution of those concerned. Just as the police would prosecute a member of the public in the same circumstances, along with some firearms offences no doubt.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2007/0048/latest/DLM427875.html

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  23. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Great White Sharks now more endangered than tigers with just 3,500 left in the oceans

    They are known as one of the deadliest creatures on Earth.
    But according to a shocking new study, great white sharks are also one of the most endangered.
    Wildlife experts say there are now fewer than 3,500 great whites left in the oceans, making them rarer than tigers.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1252237/Great-White-Sharks-endangered-tigers-just-3-500-left-oceans.html#ixzz2MAQn3syM

    “Threats to Great White Sharks
    Due to severe overfishing, great white sharks are listed as “Vulnerable” on the IUCN’s Red List. Even though they are protected internationally under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), great white sharks continue to be targeted for their teeth and jaws, which are sold on the black market”

    “International
    The white shark is protected internationally through a number of mechanisms. The white shark is listed on Appendix II of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Fauna and Flora (CITES) and also on Appendices I and II of the Convention on Migratory Species (CMS). “

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  24. Komata (1,158 comments) says:

    The scenario may now possibly be played-out along the following lines

    Japanese whaling going about their lawful business. Pirates attack.

    (Gun-equipped) JNSDF icebreaker in the vicinity of whaling vessels under attack, sinks one or two pirate vessels.

    Pirates yell and scream to the international media that ‘they wus wronged’ and it’s all Japan’s fault

    Japan subject to ‘severe censure’ by the UN

    Pirates (now completely vindicated) return to the fray, emboldened by the UN decision in their favour.

    JNSDF methodically sink pirate vesssels.

    Problem solved..

    While it is unfortunately unlikely that this will happen, I suspect that Mr. Watson may have misread the situation to his cost. The Japanese are extremely big on ‘face’ and if they perceive that, by allowing the SS pirates to ‘embarass’ them they will be seen to have lost ‘face’, they will take very quick and very effective action.

    An interesting situation indeed – and guess whom the MSM will be supporting? (hint, it’s not the Japanese)

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  25. wat dabney (3,754 comments) says:

    We can hang them. I think this means we can hang them.

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  26. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    wat, no need to hang anybody. The Japs should simply use reasonable force to protect themselves. Reasonable, in this case, would certainly include sinking the attacking ship.

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  27. Komata (1,158 comments) says:

    WD

    No, no, no – Pirates aren’t hung; because the UN has deemed that they are only simple souls unused to evil western ways they’re merely sent back to shore to ponder the effects of their actions, rehabilitate themselves and then promptly get back in their boats to re-offend.

    (These are of course the ‘poor somali’ pirates – watson et al are on a different plane altogether)

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  28. gump (1,613 comments) says:

    @Nookin

    USADA doesn’t have any jurisdiction over the Tour de France.

    It has jurisdiction over American nationals who agree to abide by USADA & WADA rules. A signed declaration to abide by these rules is required from all athletes who wish to enter the Tour de France.

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  29. Dean Papa (787 comments) says:

    Those Japanese whalers are miserable bastards. They’re fanatical, and will not stop just because we ask them to. I salute the bravery of Sea Shepherd. Remember when we were a nation with ballz? Once we sent our battleships to protest the Frenchies doing their nuclear testing in our backyard. We should do the same for the Japanese whalers, assuming we still have battleships. If the Japanese were nice, and had any sense of awareness and history, then they would stop on their own accord, just out of respect for us. They’d say to themselves, hey, those Kiwis don’t want us to hunt, torture, and kill whales in their backyard, and remember we did go berserk during the war, so maybe it would be nice to show some respect for their wishes. But alas, that is very unlikely to happen. For one thing most Japanese have no idea how nutso they went during the war, as any information along those lines is excised from all school text books in Japan. Sea Shepherd should give the finger to corrupt USA judges. If it is okay for the USA to kill innocents in pakistan and afghanistan with their drones, then go for it Sea Shepherd I say. True heroes they are, unlike the limp-dicked keyboard warriors we have in here. You know who you are!

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  30. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dean Papa. Please tell us more about how those evil Japs “torture” the whales ? Is it as bad as what the Orca do when they hunt down those Minkie whales, chasing them for miles and nipping bits off of them?

    I liked the war stories. Nice touch. How about bringing in the Nazis too ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_n604BHvBQ

    “Orcas are being sighted in increasing numbers off the coast of Newfoundland this month, and experienced whale watchers have been shocked on three occasions to see the carnivorous predators killing the local minke whales.

    Bob Bartlett, of Trinity Eco-Tours in Trinity Bay, has been observing the local waters for more than two decades as a recreational and commercial diver and tour operator. On Tuesday, he and a boatful of whale watchers filmed a pod of six orcas surrounding and devouring a minke, a much more common species.

    “It’s rare for them to be here, its rare to catch an attack on film or even see one…everything is just so rare, it’s unbelievable,” Mr. Bartlett said. In 25 years, he’s never seen orcas before.

    “They had corralled a minke whale between two or three of these killer whales and there was a vicious deliberate attack … . You could see blood in the water,” he said. “They took the whole of the minke whale by the head and took it underwater.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/orca-on-minke-attack-a-whale-of-an-experience/article1359318/

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  31. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    A training Vid on how to deal with Pirates.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJ0nblZjZE

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  32. Johnboy (15,891 comments) says:

    Ha ha Dean Papa:

    This:

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=HMNZS+Otago+%28F111%29&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FhEvUeb3JtHJmAX1t4HQCg&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1137&bih=600#imgrc=M-1Anuo1aQjxTM%3A%3BGa3YLaH4aqAL2M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwmunderway.8m.com%252Fgallery7%252Ff111b.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwmunderway.8m.com%252Fgallery7%252Fgallery7.htm%3B480%3B336

    Plus this:

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=fraser+coleman&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=qxAvUfekJ4SLmwWqqoCACg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1137&bih=600#imgrc=Ndb9HvjlLKAdjM%3A%3Bhfo3-ngf4igpNM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.thestandard.org.nz%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2008%252F04%252Fcoleman.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fthestandard.org.nz%252Ffraser-coleman-has-died%252F%3B200%3B240

    Does not equal this:

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=battleships&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=dgwvUc7_GaOhmQXUoIH4BQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1137&bih=600#imgrc=BdrHRY0dqzrluM%3A%3BBFE15VS703y3cM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mesotheliomabook.com%252Fcmss_files%252Fimagelibrary%252Fnavy-battleship.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mesotheliomabook.com%252Fmesothelioma-from-battleships-asbestos-exposure.html%3B1024%3B768

    :)

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  33. KevinH (1,192 comments) says:

    This extreme form of eco-activism has morphed into eco terrorism, a form of protest that goes beyond ideals, that engages in reckless and dangerous behaviour that inevitably results in death.
    The Sea Shepherd crew and their leader Paul Watson must now face the consequences of their actions, if they want to engage in this form of no holds barred intervention, then they can expect a like wise response. If these guys want to play hard and fast, so can the whaling ships.

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  34. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I wish the Japs would leave the whales alone.

    Pressuring them in this way is not stopping them whaling. Shoving our Western sensibilities down their throats will not be effective with such a proud and head strong people. A different approach is required.

    Demeaning them, direct assaults and racist attacks will not work.

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  35. Davo36 (35 comments) says:

    Well I support them, Sea Shepherd that is.

    Most NZers would want the whaling stopped I’m sure. And they are the only ones doing anything about it.

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  36. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Davo36, no one cares what NZers want. Why do you think a proud and ancient people like the Japanese are remotely interested in the sensibilities of a recently formed fragmented upstart country like NZ ?

    We have common ground on opposing whaling, but the approach to take is where I differ from those supporting the arrogant eco terrorists.

    And sorry to burst your bubble, but those greeny boats are crewed by people wanting to have fun, fuck, adventure and pretend they are fighting for some higher cause, to promote themselves, while avoiding having to make an honest living.

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  37. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Most NZers would want the whaling stopped I’m sure

    I’m sure that you should get out more.

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  38. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    This from the Sea Shepherd web-store. They think rather a lot of them selves. What a pack of wankers !

    Confessions of an Eco-Terrorist is a groundbreaking documentary feature film that takes viewers on an action packed voyage with the world’s most wanted environmental heroes: Captain Paul Watson and the crew of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. Seen through the eyes of director, activist, and longest serving crewmember Peter Brown, the film features insider footage and insights into 30+ years of the most exciting, despairing, and triumphant environmental campaigns of the century…

    Confessions grants the viewer an intimate look at shipboard life amongst these animal saviors and sea rebels, the ones who helped shape the Green Movement we know and love today…

    The hard-nosed cast of characters in the film exude bravery and wit, all while engaging in action-packed conflict including boarding ships, arrests, ramming of illegal fishing vessels as well as sinking of pirate whaling ships and illegal fishing vessels.

    http://shop.seashepherd.org/store/p/2083-Confessions-of-an-Eco-Terrorist-DVD-Special-SSCS-Deluxe-Edition.aspx

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  39. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    I love how the international language of legalese gives such broad-brush treatment to the meanings of words such as “pirate”.

    Real pirates rob you, and then nail a loop of your small intestine to the mast and force you at the point of a cutlass to dance across the deck, drawing your guts out like a rope, while your staff / friends / family watch.

    Sea Shephard fanatics are not in the same league and it is lazy, dishonest bullshit to pretend that they are.

    But whaling is hideous, good on those nutters for giving the whalers an occasional serve.

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  40. Harriet (4,758 comments) says:

    “….I love how the international language of legalese gives such broad-brush treatment to the meanings of words such as “pirate”….”

    Really RMM?

    I love how the international language of legalese gives such broad-brush treatment to the meanings of words such as “pirate”….”gay”…..”sex”……”Marriage”…..

    “….Sea Shephard fanatics are not in the same league and it is lazy, dishonest bullshit to pretend that they are….”

    Really RRM?

    Gay sex fanatics are not in the same league and it is lazy, dishonest bullshit to pretend that they are.

    “…..But whaling is hideous, good on those nutters for giving the whalers an occasional serve….”

    Really RRM?

    But sodomy is hideous, good on those Marriage supporters for giving the WAILERS an occasional serve….”

    A moral basis such as Christianity may help you from continuing to look like an idiot on KB RRM….even just a little thinking would do wonders for your image here! just sayin :cool: :cool: :cool:

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  41. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    Anything’s possible, perhaps believing in your invisible imaginary bronze age creator spirit WOULD help me to become as obsessed with the cock as you are? :cool:

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  42. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Japan is killing whales lawfully under the relevant international treaties.

    They aren’t killing them lawfully at all. But thanks for the Tui ad. :)

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  43. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    ross69 – scientific whaling is still legal.

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