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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104689</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2013 02:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk about a thread exposing the right as paranoid about public figures not seen as fellow right wingers in our political life, it even extends to those in the media. 

Maybe the right secretly fears what/who they cannot control - so they use God or the primacy of capital in political/economic organisation to dictate terms to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about a thread exposing the right as paranoid about public figures not seen as fellow right wingers in our political life, it even extends to those in the media. </p>
<p>Maybe the right secretly fears what/who they cannot control &#8211; so they use God or the primacy of capital in political/economic organisation to dictate terms to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104565</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rudman is correct.
The so called media still have an &quot;Ambrose UTU&quot; against Key and Banks, due to the fact that Key had the audacity to take action against Bradley Ambrose for selling the tapes to his mates in the media. Bradley did apologies in writing to Key, and this apology  was accepted.

The media leaked a copy to Winston Peters, who of course denied that fact, - but we all know that he is a born liar.

How dare anybody take on the media ?

Under Helen Klark they were sucking her toes for the drops she let them have, and did she not feed them, and they all thought that they were the only chosen ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudman is correct.<br />
The so called media still have an &#8220;Ambrose UTU&#8221; against Key and Banks, due to the fact that Key had the audacity to take action against Bradley Ambrose for selling the tapes to his mates in the media. Bradley did apologies in writing to Key, and this apology  was accepted.</p>
<p>The media leaked a copy to Winston Peters, who of course denied that fact, &#8211; but we all know that he is a born liar.</p>
<p>How dare anybody take on the media ?</p>
<p>Under Helen Klark they were sucking her toes for the drops she let them have, and did she not feed them, and they all thought that they were the only chosen ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogusnews</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104283</link>
		<dc:creator>Bogusnews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the rare moments of clarity.  It has been apparent for quite some time that the media view themselves as shapers of public opinion rather than just reporting the facts.

This is an extraordinary admission of something we have so long suspect but never had evidence to prove.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the rare moments of clarity.  It has been apparent for quite some time that the media view themselves as shapers of public opinion rather than just reporting the facts.</p>
<p>This is an extraordinary admission of something we have so long suspect but never had evidence to prove.</p>
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		<title>By: OneTrack</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104277</link>
		<dc:creator>OneTrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Rudman
Corin Dan
Jessica Mutch
Duncan Garner
Patrick Gower
Barry Soper
John Campbell
Mary Wilson
Tapu Misa
Rachel Smalley]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Rudman<br />
Corin Dan<br />
Jessica Mutch<br />
Duncan Garner<br />
Patrick Gower<br />
Barry Soper<br />
John Campbell<br />
Mary Wilson<br />
Tapu Misa<br />
Rachel Smalley</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104270</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;because the real journos went down the tubes when the media training courses started at tert educat orgs&lt;/i&gt;

Right. I had wondered. There has been a definite start point but I&#039;d never understood where or what. Thanks flipper, that makes a lot of sense. University faculties really do have a lot to answer for, don&#039;t they. Ever noticed for example lots of lawyers these days are screaming lefties? Same deal.

Luckily they haven&#039;t made too many inroads into engineering. Yet...  

&lt;i&gt;DPF has the ability.&lt;/i&gt;

So does Whale. Let&#039;s hope Truth picks up on this. Although their readers probably think the likes of Barry Soper is &quot;too intellectual,&quot; but I&#039;m sure Cam can get cut-through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>because the real journos went down the tubes when the media training courses started at tert educat orgs</i></p>
<p>Right. I had wondered. There has been a definite start point but I&#8217;d never understood where or what. Thanks flipper, that makes a lot of sense. University faculties really do have a lot to answer for, don&#8217;t they. Ever noticed for example lots of lawyers these days are screaming lefties? Same deal.</p>
<p>Luckily they haven&#8217;t made too many inroads into engineering. Yet&#8230;  </p>
<p><i>DPF has the ability.</i></p>
<p>So does Whale. Let&#8217;s hope Truth picks up on this. Although their readers probably think the likes of Barry Soper is &#8220;too intellectual,&#8221; but I&#8217;m sure Cam can get cut-through.</p>
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		<title>By: flipper</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104266</link>
		<dc:creator>flipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reid,
Sadly, 
because the real journos went down the tubes when the media training courses started at tert educat orgs.
Previously, in house training instilled the ethics of the great US/UK/Aus reporters.   But with the shift to &quot;graduate&quot; training, it all became custard....more likely crap.

As I have said before, the great Herald Editors, long dead, will be turning in their graves.  Of those still alive,  I know that P.J.Scherer will be frothing.   Ellis? Not sure.

How to change it

DPF has the ability.  We can support him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid,<br />
Sadly,<br />
because the real journos went down the tubes when the media training courses started at tert educat orgs.<br />
Previously, in house training instilled the ethics of the great US/UK/Aus reporters.   But with the shift to &#8220;graduate&#8221; training, it all became custard&#8230;.more likely crap.</p>
<p>As I have said before, the great Herald Editors, long dead, will be turning in their graves.  Of those still alive,  I know that P.J.Scherer will be frothing.   Ellis? Not sure.</p>
<p>How to change it</p>
<p>DPF has the ability.  We can support him.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104252</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Brian Rudman
Corin Dan
Jessica Mutch
Duncan Garner
Patrick Gower&lt;/i&gt;
Barry Soper
John Campbell
Mary Wilson
Tapu Misa

Bias is poison in a professional journalist in the same way dishonesty is poison in a financial advisor. It&#039;s not tolerated in the latter, why do we accept it in the former?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Brian Rudman<br />
Corin Dan<br />
Jessica Mutch<br />
Duncan Garner<br />
Patrick Gower</i><br />
Barry Soper<br />
John Campbell<br />
Mary Wilson<br />
Tapu Misa</p>
<p>Bias is poison in a professional journalist in the same way dishonesty is poison in a financial advisor. It&#8217;s not tolerated in the latter, why do we accept it in the former?</p>
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		<title>By: Fentex</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104243</link>
		<dc:creator>Fentex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;[DPF: Not comparing apples and oranges. This is a prominent journalist for the Herald, not some anonymous blog commenter. The comparison to a National Party Member would be is an MP used We in relation to the caucus]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t write &#039;anonymous blog commenter&#039;, I wrote &#039;National members&#039;.

I don&#039;t think I was comparing things that are too disparate - one person speaking as if others in their group agree with their prejudice is likely much like another person speaking as if on behalf of others who aren&#039;t speaking for themselves.

You&#039;ve taken Brian Rudman&#039;s opinion as representative of other journos simply because he spoke as if it was.

I doubt you&#039;ll do the same when next some foolish National party member expresses some prejudice in terms that suppose their fellow members agree.

And the similarity between the two does not, I think, stretch any comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[DPF: Not comparing apples and oranges. This is a prominent journalist for the Herald, not some anonymous blog commenter. The comparison to a National Party Member would be is an MP used We in relation to the caucus]</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write &#8216;anonymous blog commenter&#8217;, I wrote &#8216;National members&#8217;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I was comparing things that are too disparate &#8211; one person speaking as if others in their group agree with their prejudice is likely much like another person speaking as if on behalf of others who aren&#8217;t speaking for themselves.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve taken Brian Rudman&#8217;s opinion as representative of other journos simply because he spoke as if it was.</p>
<p>I doubt you&#8217;ll do the same when next some foolish National party member expresses some prejudice in terms that suppose their fellow members agree.</p>
<p>And the similarity between the two does not, I think, stretch any comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104237</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose when a left wing columnist writes they are opinions, when a right wing columnist writes those are facts. 

The facts about the Herald are in in its 2005 editorial the day before the election. Both the Herald and Dom Post editorials have been anti union, pro market and pro tax cuts for decades. 

But their staff in comparison - incude people across the spolitical spectrum, and sometimes the news they have to report is inconvenient to those of the left and the right. This is not bias. 

Labour and the left think the print media is biased against them. 

The only reason TV 3 is seen as biased is because TV 1 is so paranoid they will be sold off if they upset the government - just like the MP form coalitions with National fearing the Maori seats will be abolished if they do not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose when a left wing columnist writes they are opinions, when a right wing columnist writes those are facts. </p>
<p>The facts about the Herald are in in its 2005 editorial the day before the election. Both the Herald and Dom Post editorials have been anti union, pro market and pro tax cuts for decades. </p>
<p>But their staff in comparison &#8211; incude people across the spolitical spectrum, and sometimes the news they have to report is inconvenient to those of the left and the right. This is not bias. </p>
<p>Labour and the left think the print media is biased against them. </p>
<p>The only reason TV 3 is seen as biased is because TV 1 is so paranoid they will be sold off if they upset the government &#8211; just like the MP form coalitions with National fearing the Maori seats will be abolished if they do not.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104234</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shows how many people read Rudman, not many, if any.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shows how many people read Rudman, not many, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104230</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Rudman has discovered that most New Zealanders are dumb and delusional. 

Tell me something I don&#039;t know. 

Odd thing is that he thinks Labour are any better. They&#039;re all crap, mate. All of them. We don&#039;t have any good politicians. They&#039;ve stopped making them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Rudman has discovered that most New Zealanders are dumb and delusional. </p>
<p>Tell me something I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>Odd thing is that he thinks Labour are any better. They&#8217;re all crap, mate. All of them. We don&#8217;t have any good politicians. They&#8217;ve stopped making them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mobile Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because wedon&#039;t have a large population with multiple dailies we don&#039;t have clear editorial positions announced. With only two networks with newsrooms we also don&#039;&#039;t get declared allegiance there. But TV3 have taken a very strong anti government view, and every day our papers overflow with opinion features that are anti government.

I&#039;d rather journalists and columnists were open about alignment. For starters, I&#039;d know when an alternate view was being espoused to broaden my thoughts on an issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because wedon&#8217;t have a large population with multiple dailies we don&#8217;t have clear editorial positions announced. With only two networks with newsrooms we also don&#8221;t get declared allegiance there. But TV3 have taken a very strong anti government view, and every day our papers overflow with opinion features that are anti government.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather journalists and columnists were open about alignment. For starters, I&#8217;d know when an alternate view was being espoused to broaden my thoughts on an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104215</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks to me like tongue in cheek.  Overreach I think here, I wouldn&#039;t like to see journalists no longer able to use humour at risk of blog commentors taking it out of context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like tongue in cheek.  Overreach I think here, I wouldn&#8217;t like to see journalists no longer able to use humour at risk of blog commentors taking it out of context.</p>
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		<title>By: MT_Tinman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104180</link>
		<dc:creator>MT_Tinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; greenjacket (129) Says: 
February 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
A Herald journalist admits to left-wing bias.
And we’re surprised by this? &lt;/i&gt;

Yes - the &quot;admit&quot; bit is very surprising indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> greenjacket (129) Says:<br />
February 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm<br />
A Herald journalist admits to left-wing bias.<br />
And we’re surprised by this? </i></p>
<p>Yes &#8211; the &#8220;admit&#8221; bit is very surprising indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: greenjacket</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104170</link>
		<dc:creator>greenjacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Herald journalist admits to left-wing bias.
And we&#039;re surprised by this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Herald journalist admits to left-wing bias.<br />
And we&#8217;re surprised by this?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Malcouronne</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104161</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Malcouronne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When something seems too good to be true it&#039;s usually because it is.

Rudman, who would probably describe himself as liberal-left-ish, is clearly taking the piss. Short of a sub-clause to the sentence - &#039;and I jest here&#039; - I don&#039;t know how he could make it more obvious. Can none of you people see this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When something seems too good to be true it&#8217;s usually because it is.</p>
<p>Rudman, who would probably describe himself as liberal-left-ish, is clearly taking the piss. Short of a sub-clause to the sentence &#8211; &#8216;and I jest here&#8217; &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how he could make it more obvious. Can none of you people see this?</p>
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		<title>By: wreck1080</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104126</link>
		<dc:creator>wreck1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t this an opinion column? 

I see no issue. 

Just as Matt McCarten writes against national -- although , McCarten is rabid, he disagrees with anything national on a philosophical basis and that is just dumb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this an opinion column? </p>
<p>I see no issue. </p>
<p>Just as Matt McCarten writes against national &#8212; although , McCarten is rabid, he disagrees with anything national on a philosophical basis and that is just dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: lyndon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104122</link>
		<dc:creator>lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 02:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, I&#039;m going to go out on a limb here but do you think there might be the slightest chance - just a possibility - that it was a dry aside about paranoid right wing rants about the putative leftist media?

Might - based purely on this thread - such rants exist?

(Even at a face reading: Given that &quot;colleague&quot; in this case probably wouldn&#039;t include any non-anti-government media denizens it&#039;s hard to call it a revelation. But in my opinion a face reading makes little sense in terms of the column or the wider context.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb here but do you think there might be the slightest chance &#8211; just a possibility &#8211; that it was a dry aside about paranoid right wing rants about the putative leftist media?</p>
<p>Might &#8211; based purely on this thread &#8211; such rants exist?</p>
<p>(Even at a face reading: Given that &#8220;colleague&#8221; in this case probably wouldn&#8217;t include any non-anti-government media denizens it&#8217;s hard to call it a revelation. But in my opinion a face reading makes little sense in terms of the column or the wider context.)</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104104</link>
		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesus H Christ...    We appear to live in a country of left wing tossers who stoop to gutter tactics in their feeble attempt to shaft the National Govt.

Why dont these low lifes fuck off to Cuba.

Note to self.   Must renew my National Party sub.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus H Christ&#8230;    We appear to live in a country of left wing tossers who stoop to gutter tactics in their feeble attempt to shaft the National Govt.</p>
<p>Why dont these low lifes fuck off to Cuba.</p>
<p>Note to self.   Must renew my National Party sub.</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/rudman_confirms_media_campaign_against_government.html/comment-page-1#comment-1104085</link>
		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Let’s start a list then:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, there&#039;s nothing quite like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Wheeling_speech&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a list&lt;/a&gt;....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s start a list then:</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s nothing quite like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Wheeling_speech" rel="nofollow">a list</a>&#8230;.</p>
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