Speaks for itself
February 15th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar
Hat Tip: Whale
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February 15th, 2013 at 9:05 am
Very true!
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Like all other political apologies – they are all done simply to make the media feel better – and often to put an end to a story. Clark ran off to Samoa or somewhere a few years ago to apolise to the samoans for some deed in the long forgotten past. And I think she apologised to several others for someone elses deeds.
In Ausy theyre falling over themselves to apologise to the Abo’s – but its all hollow. How the hell can someone apologise for something someone else did and that it actually means anything other than PR.
Of course Prosser doesnt actually mean his apology – he did it because he thought it would turn the media off. I doubt he said it because of something Winston said something to him – its such a vote getter for NZ first.
Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Such as her own?
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Can you give an example of someone with an equivalent position as being a Member of Parliament saying something similar about Christians or Westerners?
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Clark mocking the exclusive Brethren
Harawira calling you and I motherfuckers
February 15th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Ryan Sproull @ 9:31 am
Yes – its a several years ago – but this looks pretty similar……
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10334250
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0309/S00542/choudharys-cross-purpose-in-palmerston-north.htm
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
After reading that I am wondering why Prosser bothered writing such a large book. He could have written “I’m a loud-mouthed big dick so fuck you” and you be done with it
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Ah – the last act in the drama of a public figures demise – the humiliation of the ritual apology, which will not be accepted by the baying mob and isn’t sincere anyway.
Public discourse in this country has descended into farce, not helped by this character who in a rational world would have never been in Parliament anyway
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Given his history of inflammatory writing someone should ask Winston how he got his place on the list. Was it the reason he was ranked where he was?
My opinion of Prosser was low enough pre apology, it is now even lower. His faux apology just shows him up as another political coward who does not have the courage of his convictions.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 10:26 am
@radvad at 10.14 am
Vote:Tom Scott, the Dom/Post cartoonist, has asked Winston how Prosser got on the list, and devised a wonderful answer!
Today’s cartoon, explaining it, is online at
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/tom-scott-cartoons/
February 15th, 2013 at 10:37 am
This non-apology didn’t put an end to the story, it generated more attention. And it has now marked him as someone who will flip flop under media pressure, so next time he comes to media attention they will be pushing him to see if he wavers again. They taget weaknesses.
When was the last “by muslim commments that are anti christian” made by an MP? Made by a Muslim in New Zealand?
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Read the blog pete – see @9.49 above
also:
http://christiandefenceleauge.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/norway-muslim-mp-threatens-jews-on-facebook/
and if you have a good search thru that website you might start to wonder what muslims in the west are up to. They are certainly a sad and dangerous bunch.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Saying sorry for what?
If you live in a muticultural society then you have to get used to the fact that you will be ‘offended’. No one in any society, even a monocultural society, can expect to go through their entire life without taking offense to something – dozens of times.
It’s called life.
And that’s the problem with the whole Prosser thing, Muslims & others expect that they should NOT be offended at all.
That isn’t life – that’s the ending to a fairy tale.
That aside, there is a differance between ‘offending someone’ and being a ‘bully’ and the legal opinion in Australia on being a bully in the workplace is this – repeatative behaviour.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Pete/Ryan…….Why confine yourself to NZ? Prosser was trying to defend NZ from an International scourge in the face of widespread Chamberlainia. What is the meaning of Jihad and do any muslims disavow it?
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Bollocks. Choudhary’s acceptance of moral relativism is in no way similar to Prosser’s bigotry. And with regard to Choudhary’s foolish suggestion that a Christian symbol be removed from a town hall, I’d assume that the point that he was making is that a government institution should be symbolically representative of all the community, not just a part of it.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Tx for the link Alwyn. Hilarious.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
@ Ryan Sproull:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10400873
Everyone is STILL waiting for Mallard to apologise for that, made whilst a Minister of the Crown, and under the protection of parliamentary privilege.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Given that Whale is part of the media writing about Minto perhaps he has the answer to his own question as it certainly eludes the rest of us.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
DPF, why do you continue to give links and hat tips to Whale, an increasingly puerile and unbalanced commenter who clearly (at least professionally) hates your guts, and who never misses an opportunity to express his presumption of superiority over your blogsite and over your intellect? Whale Oil is increasingly losing his common sense in favour of criminals and the deranged.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
As i tried to point out yesterday,why should anyone be offended by or oppose a cross…it was here when they came(immigrating to a christian country,it has to be expected…and nobody complains then)…or is it that once sufficient numbers have been reached,it then becomes a ‘bone of contention’,a useful artifice to further ones own religious aims…overseas experience would tend to support this(my) conclusion,and not as you would suggest Scott,to promote a more secular and open society.
Vote:February 15th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
In my dealings, both business and social, I deal with a lot of people that Chris Trotter famously labelled “Waitakere Man”. Prosser’s idiotic comments ( my opinion) have brought considerable support to the NZ First cause. Okay, there is not much support amongst those with a three digit intelligence quotient, but all those others have one thing in common with all Kiwiblog posters; they have one vote each.
Vote:David Garrett has posted about how superbly cunning this stunt has been. I agree with him.
Has anybody else noticed how much more sensible some politicians sound, once they retire from parliament? I’m thinking here of John Tamihere, Rodney Hide, David Garrett and, to a lesser extent, Pam Corkery.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Rodney perhaps, but none of the others need apply (although I do see eye to eye with David G on many criminal justice issues, however)…
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