Speaks for itself

February 15th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

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Hat Tip: Whale

 

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22 Responses to “Speaks for itself”

  1. Manolo (13,362 comments) says:

    Very true!

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  2. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Like all other political apologies – they are all done simply to make the media feel better – and often to put an end to a story. Clark ran off to Samoa or somewhere a few years ago to apolise to the samoans for some deed in the long forgotten past. And I think she apologised to several others for someone elses deeds.

    In Ausy theyre falling over themselves to apologise to the Abo’s – but its all hollow. How the hell can someone apologise for something someone else did and that it actually means anything other than PR.

    Of course Prosser doesnt actually mean his apology – he did it because he thought it would turn the media off. I doubt he said it because of something Winston said something to him – its such a vote getter for NZ first.

    Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.

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  3. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    …and other whingeing minorities whose opinions don’t matter anyway

    Such as her own?

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  4. Ryan Sproull (7,029 comments) says:

    Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.

    Can you give an example of someone with an equivalent position as being a Member of Parliament saying something similar about Christians or Westerners?

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  5. Barnsley Bill (975 comments) says:

    Clark mocking the exclusive Brethren
    Harawira calling you and I motherfuckers

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  6. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull @ 9:31 am

    Yes – its a several years ago – but this looks pretty similar……

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10334250

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0309/S00542/choudharys-cross-purpose-in-palmerston-north.htm

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  7. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    After reading that I am wondering why Prosser bothered writing such a large book. He could have written “I’m a loud-mouthed big dick so fuck you” and you be done with it

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  8. Andrei (2,500 comments) says:

    Ah – the last act in the drama of a public figures demise – the humiliation of the ritual apology, which will not be accepted by the baying mob and isn’t sincere anyway.

    Public discourse in this country has descended into farce, not helped by this character who in a rational world would have never been in Parliament anyway

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  9. radvad (665 comments) says:

    Given his history of inflammatory writing someone should ask Winston how he got his place on the list. Was it the reason he was ranked where he was?

    My opinion of Prosser was low enough pre apology, it is now even lower. His faux apology just shows him up as another political coward who does not have the courage of his convictions.

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  10. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    @radvad at 10.14 am
    Tom Scott, the Dom/Post cartoonist, has asked Winston how Prosser got on the list, and devised a wonderful answer!
    Today’s cartoon, explaining it, is online at
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/tom-scott-cartoons/

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  11. Pete George (22,816 comments) says:

    Like all other political apologies – they are all done simply to make the media feel better – and often to put an end to a story.

    This non-apology didn’t put an end to the story, it generated more attention. And it has now marked him as someone who will flip flop under media pressure, so next time he comes to media attention they will be pushing him to see if he wavers again. They taget weaknesses.

    Now if everyone who is so outraged by what he said was also outraged by muslim commments that are anti christian then Id take the claimed horror more seriously. But anti christian (or anti west) comments all go quietly by. The media dont want to upset these haters.

    When was the last “by muslim commments that are anti christian” made by an MP? Made by a Muslim in New Zealand?

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  12. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Read the blog pete – see @9.49 above

    also:

    http://christiandefenceleauge.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/norway-muslim-mp-threatens-jews-on-facebook/

    and if you have a good search thru that website you might start to wonder what muslims in the west are up to. They are certainly a sad and dangerous bunch.

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  13. Harriet (4,514 comments) says:

    Saying sorry for what?

    If you live in a muticultural society then you have to get used to the fact that you will be ‘offended’. No one in any society, even a monocultural society, can expect to go through their entire life without taking offense to something – dozens of times.
    It’s called life.

    And that’s the problem with the whole Prosser thing, Muslims & others expect that they should NOT be offended at all.
    That isn’t life – that’s the ending to a fairy tale.

    That aside, there is a differance between ‘offending someone’ and being a ‘bully’ and the legal opinion in Australia on being a bully in the workplace is this – repeatative behaviour.

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  14. backster (2,077 comments) says:

    Pete/Ryan…….Why confine yourself to NZ? Prosser was trying to defend NZ from an International scourge in the face of widespread Chamberlainia. What is the meaning of Jihad and do any muslims disavow it?

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  15. Scott Chris (5,878 comments) says:

    Yes – its a several years ago – but this looks pretty similar……

    Bollocks. Choudhary’s acceptance of moral relativism is in no way similar to Prosser’s bigotry. And with regard to Choudhary’s foolish suggestion that a Christian symbol be removed from a town hall, I’d assume that the point that he was making is that a government institution should be symbolically representative of all the community, not just a part of it.

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  16. radvad (665 comments) says:

    Tx for the link Alwyn. Hilarious.

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  17. Keeping Stock (10,100 comments) says:

    @ Ryan Sproull:

    The Exclusive Brethren have complained to the Human Rights Commission about criticism of them in Parliament, which has included senior Cabinet minister Trevor Mallard referring to members as “chinless scarf-wearers”.

    Helen Clark rejected the suggestion her party was indulging in “hate speech”.

    Asked about Mr Mallard’s threats to expose details of MPs’ private lives, the Prime Minister said: “I’m thinking of asking the Minister of Police for a Taser gun for Trevor.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10400873

    Everyone is STILL waiting for Mallard to apologise for that, made whilst a Minister of the Crown, and under the protection of parliamentary privilege.

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  18. Mark (1,360 comments) says:

    Given that Whale is part of the media writing about Minto perhaps he has the answer to his own question as it certainly eludes the rest of us.

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  19. tropicana (79 comments) says:

    DPF, why do you continue to give links and hat tips to Whale, an increasingly puerile and unbalanced commenter who clearly (at least professionally) hates your guts, and who never misses an opportunity to express his presumption of superiority over your blogsite and over your intellect? Whale Oil is increasingly losing his common sense in favour of criminals and the deranged.

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  20. sbk (308 comments) says:

    As i tried to point out yesterday,why should anyone be offended by or oppose a cross…it was here when they came(immigrating to a christian country,it has to be expected…and nobody complains then)…or is it that once sufficient numbers have been reached,it then becomes a ‘bone of contention’,a useful artifice to further ones own religious aims…overseas experience would tend to support this(my) conclusion,and not as you would suggest Scott,to promote a more secular and open society.

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  21. Tauhei Notts (1,607 comments) says:

    In my dealings, both business and social, I deal with a lot of people that Chris Trotter famously labelled “Waitakere Man”. Prosser’s idiotic comments ( my opinion) have brought considerable support to the NZ First cause. Okay, there is not much support amongst those with a three digit intelligence quotient, but all those others have one thing in common with all Kiwiblog posters; they have one vote each.
    David Garrett has posted about how superbly cunning this stunt has been. I agree with him.
    Has anybody else noticed how much more sensible some politicians sound, once they retire from parliament? I’m thinking here of John Tamihere, Rodney Hide, David Garrett and, to a lesser extent, Pam Corkery.

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  22. ChardonnayGuy (1,133 comments) says:

    Rodney perhaps, but none of the others need apply (although I do see eye to eye with David G on many criminal justice issues, however)…

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