At the moment there are very few 4G devices to operate over the 700Mhz spectrum. It will take time for manufacturers to produce these 4G devices.

The current spectrum that has been allocated to 1900Mhz and 800Mhz has the greatest range of 4G devices.

All three Telecommunictaions are already in various stages of 4G testing/deployment.

While 4G offers faster speeds over 3G, most of the time users of smartphones will not notice the difference. Most web based applications detect smartphones and deliver content in a efficient manner hence very little difference between 3G and 4G.

If industry was really honest they would want to delay the rollout of 4G technology as this is another operational cost that does not necessarily add any new benefits to users or profit streams.

What is really driving the auction process are the three Telecommunications fear of another competitor entering the market. Therefore the auction is more about market protection as opposed to the delivery of new technology/benefitss. This is fundamentally wrong and is a reason why the 700Mhz spectrum should not be sold.

The 700Mhz spectrum should instead be developed for a shared spectrum model. The shared spectrum model was advocated by various Maori groups in 2011 during the early discussions on the 700Mhz auctions. In 2012 the European parliament resolved for its member states to develop shared spectrum models. This was again advocated in November 2012 during the radio spectrum five year outlook submissions. Unfortunately Government does not read the submissions it asks for, follow international trends or perform any type of high level forward planning.

Government is instead obsessed with selling off limited resources which are a Taonga to all New Zealanders.

You wouldn’t know irony if it was chewing your arse off you uneducated time wasting serf.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

2: a) the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning
b) a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony
c) an ironic expression or utterance

I was thinking of 2(a) when I said that my irony meter broke, the irony being that you were suggesting that I was a fuckwit immediately after you had demonstrated your ignorance of what the radio spectrum is. What makes the irony exceptional is the fact that I had previously given you a link to a NASA webpage which explains it in fairly simple terms.

What the fuck radio transmissions from distant stars have got to do with it I wouldn’t know

Radio wave from stars are relevant because the prove that radio waves existed before man made radio transmitters. This falsifies your statement that:

Radio waves did not exist until transmitters started transmitting them.

In the context of regulation of the use of the radio spectrum, the point is that the radio spectrum is a natural resource, which was the point that I was disputing with Doc.

The fact is the spectrum is the frequency at which radio waves are transmitted. It has no tangible form because it is a unit of measure. Are you completely retarded? God this country is so absolutely full of fuckwits.

My irony meter just broke.

I’m talking about the context of licensing of radio transmitters to transmit at a certain frequency which is what is being claimed as a Taonga. What the fuck radio transmissions from distant stars have got to do with it I wouldn’t know. Apart from an obsessive and irrational desire of yours to win some obscure point. The fact is the spectrum is the frequency at which radio waves are transmitted. It has no tangible form because it is a unit of measure. Are you completely retarded? God this country is so absolutely full of fuckwits.

You don’t appear to understand what it is.

Says the poster who was blatantly wrong about radio waves being purely the product of man-made transmitters.

Tell you what. How about you read this NASA webpage on electromagnetic radiation and then tell me what I said about the radio spectrum that disagrees what what NASA says about it.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html

Without a device to transmit, there are no frequencies per millisecond (or whatever) and that the frequency can be altered so some transmit at 3G or some at 4G or some at 12 mhz or whatever does not mean the frequency is a tangible thing. It isn’t. It is just a unit of measurement.

Radio waves did not exist until transmitters started transmitting them.

Wrong. Stars emit radio waves.

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Radio_screams_from_the_Sun_warn_of_radiation_storms

Like I said, the radio spectrum is just as a much a natural resource as air or water is. The Crown has a history of injuring the rights of people in NZ re public resources. Driver licencing, for example is a hugely fraudulent enterprise.

Wrong. Air has always been around.

Radio waves did not exist until transmitters started transmitting them.

It is your MP and local newspaper who are mostly responsible for this shit. You won’t get anywhere appealing to them.

Dump your MP and dump your newspaper.

Then you might get some of the change you yearn for.

Definition of “Taonga” in the 1820′s as provided by Ngapuhi chief Hongi Hika “Property obtained by the spear” (Sounds right Tao is Maori for spear)
Definition as per Dictionary compliled by Williams in 1840′s “Property”
Definition as defined by Waitangi tribunal claims process “treasures”
Current definition ” Anything Maori Activists feel like claiming”

It seems to me that the majority of posters on this thread hold similar views and would agree that the treaty gravy train and the divisive separatist course we are on needs to be stopped. May I suggest a couple of ideas that might help get things started.
Sign the “Declaration of Equality” on the NZCPR website.
Classify yourself as a New Zealander under “other” when you complete your census form.
Write to your MP and local Newspaper.

It may be a good idea for you folk to do some reading on what really happened in this country both before and after the treaty.
Ian Wishart in “The Great Divide” gives some good examples of how our so called experts such as Orange and King have sanitised and distorted history. He does this by comparing what they wrote to the source documents. John Robinson in “The Corruption of NZ Democracy A Treaty Overview” gives an example of the workings of the Waitangi Tribunal, where areport that was supplied had to be changed if they didn’t suit the claimants case.
The march towards separatism by these Maori fundamentalists has gone too far already based on a distorted and incorrect view of our history and a fantasy interpretation of the treaty.

….Of course it is a natural resource. It wasn’t created by an act of parliament, is it
of the same nature as air and water.

So the brownmailers say they own the very air all New Zealanders breathe.

Apartheid was minor compared with what these Treaty claimants want.

Gavfaemonty, perhaps you can tell us of any differences in commercial law of Scotland from commercial law of England and of New Zealand? We mostly know of the third “not proven” jury verdict choice. It would be quite interesting to hear of any differences in Scots contract law.

As a layman, I don’t understand current Maori negotiators who try to argue that seeking spectrum rights is just maintenance of their property rights. The know the notion among Maori of property, let alone property rights, was vague at the time of British settlement and the Treaty of Waitangi. How could the concept been otherwise with only a recent written language created by missionaries and no national government and not even the idea of a bureaucracy.

Maori notion of “property” seems to mean anything today’s brownmailers want it to mean. Pre-modern (that is pre-treaty) Maori of course had no land registry system, no title system, no records of ownership.

The nearest thing to records were oral hand-me-down traditions. In any society these are untrustworthy. In Maori society the hand-me down stories must have been further muddled by continual inter-tribe warfare entailing displacement of other tribes and hapu. This must have left continuing and proliferating theories about who really held ownership if this was considered equivalent to occupation. Slavery additionally complicated the picture, as those slaves who were unfreed and uneaten would typically have been the the previous “property owners” or “occupiers”. Their descendants would have wanted these rights back.

Can a primitive society such as that of Maori have had any concept at all of contract law beyond the traditon of utu?