The Aus-NZ agreements

February 10th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Quite a few things announced by Gillard and Key in Queenstown. They are:

  • Joint action to address the high cost of mobile roaming rates between the two countries
  • an $8 million trial of fast‑track automated border technology for trans-tasman travel
  • Commencement of new retirement savings portability arrangements between and New Zealand from 1 July 2013
  • Entry into force of the CER Investment Protocol from 1 March 2013
  • New Zealand has agreed to resettle 150 refugees who are subject to Australia’s offshore processing legislation, as part of their annual quota of 750 refugees
  • NZ$3 million in matched funding over two years to support trans-Tasman collaboration to identify potential vaccines for rheumatic fever
  • Investigate a possible reciprocal student debt recovery scheme.
  • An A$5 million memorial will be erected in Wellington’s National War Memorial park precinct by the Australian Government

 

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28 Responses to “The Aus-NZ agreements”

  1. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Why the hell is John Key agreeing to help Australia with its refugee problem when Australia will not give ground on NZers residency status over there.

    NZers are against this stupid decision. And reasons given for it are plain barmy.

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  2. RF (1,402 comments) says:

    We should have a level playing field and again we are the poor cousins when compared with Aussie.

    I know we are used as a stepping stone to Aussie by Islanders etc but surely there must be a better way to treat the genuine cases.

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  3. Manolo (13,828 comments) says:

    Another mindless, stupid decision from this piss-weak government.

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  4. Reid (16,491 comments) says:

    Why the hell is John Key agreeing to help Australia with its refugee problem when Australia will not give ground on NZers residency status over there.

    Because Australians stop the boat-people before they get here. If they stopped doing that, we’d have several thousand at least arriving each and every year and remember, we have to support them all over the entire time they are here, which will be years. That’s why.

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  5. mavxp (483 comments) says:

    “Investigate a possible reciprocal student debt recovery scheme”

    This. How many NZers rack up big student loans and then head over to Aus? The loans are not the major loss either, because this is not even considering the large investment in primary, through tertiary education, health and welfare before they depart to benefit the Aussie taxpayer from having these people earning money for the Australian economy instead.

    Being able to recoup the loans is the very least of what NZ should get back from Australia.

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  6. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Being able to recoup the loans is the very least of what NZ should get back from Australia.

    If New Zealand was such a great place to live then we’d all come home. It’s not, so we stay in Australia.
    New Zealand needs to get its head out of its arse and think about why people leave and don’t come back.

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  7. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “….» Commencement of new retirement savings portability arrangements between Australia and New Zealand from 1 July 2013….”

    Key doesn’t want to ‘offend’ Australia by calling for “an increase into Australian superannuation accounts by kiwis living in Australia.”

    I went to Australia in 2000 and am only allowed to pay $25,000.00 into my superannuation in any one year.If I place more in then I am taxed at a higher rate. This effects all OTHER immigrants as well.

    Australians on the other hand have been allowed to place money into their superannuation accounts since 1990. Ten years of retirment funds + interest more than myself.

    I’m not asking that I can contribute MORE than the average Aussie, I’m just asking that I’m allowed to ‘catch up’ and have ABOUT THE SAME retirement income as an Australian who is the same age as me.

    He’ll retire with more at 60 than I will.

    Gillard and Key talk about ‘equality for all’ and ‘self funded retirement for all.’

    Like fuck they do – Key is leaving this to others like the Chinese, English etc to run with!

    He’s fucken weak! :cool:

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  8. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    I ment to add that –

    Why is Key only requesting SOME things that kiwis are disadvantaged by in Australia – like socialism from big government?

    He hasn’t raised the matter that I talk of in my post above – personal responsability – that Key LOUDLY bases all National’s policy on!

    Helen in metrosexual gay drag I say! :cool:

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  9. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    I have no issue with NZ’rs not being eligible for welfare benefits so long as the regime is the same for both sides of the ditch. What irks me off is this piss weak Key government provides access for Australians living in NZ to schemes denied to NZ’s in Australia.

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  10. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    gazzmaniac

    Many people who scornfully deride NZ, extend us a couple of digits & depart these shores for their El Dorado have enjoyed considerable largess from the taxpayers they leave behind. Health & education spring to mind…..the latter often through several years of tertiary education where the poor wee petals may have had to pay for a small proportion of the cost by taking out a student loan.

    Regardless of their feelings about how their country of birth denies them the opportunity to rival Croesus tell us again why we shouldn’t be able to claw back the principal & interest on their loans.

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  11. Lance (2,656 comments) says:

    @nassaka
    It’s alright.
    The ones who use the NZ tax payer to become educated and then leave for Aus telling us we are all fuckwits for staying here will be secure in the knowledge that if things turn to shit in Aus they can come back to NZ and access health and welfare here.
    So the money they earn is taxed in Aus but the (expensive) safety net is in NZ.

    Excellent.

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  12. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    The Gillard government is desperate on the refugee issue. Taking 150 from Aussie (as part of 750 we already expect to take in) would have gained far more benefit than in the past.

    nasska, then should we pay foreign governments for the education and health services they provided to people arriving here?

    I’m all for student loans being recoverable, but citing health and education costs is a long bow to draw.

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  13. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “….Many people who scornfully deride NZ,….have enjoyed considerable largess from the taxpayers they leave behind. Health & education spring to mind………Regardless of their feelings about how their country of birth denies them the opportunity to rival Croesus tell us again why we shouldn’t be able to claw back the principal & interest on their loans…”

    Because their parents voted for the system and paid the taxes to run it Nasska It’s a bit like a private sector DPB.

    As Kimble[or Kimbo] suggest…………’Clawing back the loans’ is subjective! :cool:

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  14. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    Kimble & Harriet

    The term “clawing back” could be subjective….”receiving due payment in full” may be less so for those who wish to dance on the head of a pin. Either way the loan was extended under an agreement which included the terms of repayment.

    I have no wish to see people who no longer want to live here do so….we’re not North Korea & as a country we are probably better off without them.

    They can slag us off to their hearts content & live where they may…..just so long as they pay us back the money they borrowed.

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  15. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    nasska – Having read your poorly worded excuse for a comment, I’ll attempt to answer what I think you’re harping on about.

    Yes, people who grow up in New Zealand tend to receive a fair bit from the governmnet in the form of education and healthcare. The people who paid for that are their parents, who, early in their working lives, paid tax to fund other people’s kids’ education and healthcare and family benefit. After they decided to have kids, the family benefit was scrapped, they were expected to contribute to school fees and were encouraged to take private health insurance because of cuts to healthcare and education. In addition they were still required to pay high taxes to pay for the debt rung up to pay for the kids who came before theirs. And once their kids left home, the big governmnet debt was gone, so a family benefit was introduced in the form of Working for Families, which of course they’re expected to pay tax to fund!

    I’m not arguing the fact that if people borrow money they should pay it back. Of course they should, and the loan should be subjected to interest. I do object to you spouting shit about kids getting all sorts of taxpayer support when they are growing up and just turning their back on New Zealand, when those taxpayers are their family who have had to pay and pay.

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  16. redeye (629 comments) says:

    Lol, it’s hard case reading the comments on this blog straight after Larry Pickerings facebook page

    “Not that anything more generous could be expected from the Kiwis, after all they have dodged their regional responsibilities, including defence, for decades at us Aussies’ expense.

    But for Gillard to claim some sort of satisfactory outcome is ridiculous. NZ PM Key has played the lady off a break.”

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Larry-Pickering/236991276355038

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  17. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Lol, it’s hard case reading the comments on this blog straight after Larry Pickerings facebook page

    That’ll be Larry Pickering who wrote and then deleted:

    “The bleating Jews who actually believe they are God’s people are still combing the world looking for war-crime culprits. […] Of course the “holocaust” happened but it was one of the many episodes of war and far from the worst in terms of human life. But Jews believe they are God’s people… so they are more important.”

    “The vanity-driven, thieving Jews did not have a country so they stole someone else’s with the West’s (and the East’s) blessing… and we wonder why we are hated. Sure, the Jews are more industrious and inventive than the lazy Arabs. The Arabs have used receipts from the West’s addiction to oil to build crass monuments to themselves. An oil drunk Arab’s benchmark of success is to have a hundred more Rolls Royces than his cousin.”

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  18. nasska (11,575 comments) says:

    gazzmaniac

    Most people worth their salt accept that raising children is a costly exercise. There have been peaks & troughs in the level of Government assistance but for the past fifty years the state has paid a huge subsidy to parents on the assumption that healthy, well educated future generations would be an investment for New Zealand.

    Your protestations that it’s the parents who have paid for everything could only hold up if those same people were net taxpayers while their children still relied on them…..there would not be many in that category.

    Further, even if we ignore the state funding these children attracted, who will pay for the retirement benefits of the parents. Again the system presumed that future prosperous generations would effectively fund this from the taxes they would eventually pay. Not so if they’re paying taxes in Sydney or Los Angeles.

    As I’ve stated above what will be will be & if anyone doesn’t want to contribute to their mother country so be it. It wouldn’t however, be unrealistic to ask them to discharge their legal liabilities such as student loans before they go.

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  19. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Like I said in my previous post – I have no problem with people being required to pay back their debt. I don’t think that it should have to be before they leave however, since New Zealand’s pay is generally a lot lower than Australia’s so the loan would be paid back sooner if the borrower is earning Australian dollars.

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  20. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    More to the point, why is the Australian taxpayer funding efforts by the NZ government to get itself out of debt? Suspect there will be a trade off somewhere.

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  21. mara (788 comments) says:

    Young people, in the case of student loan repayments, have been trained to believe that there ARE free lunches. And now some of us are beating them around the head for learning their lessons well? The smarter among them are learning that Socialism is a failed experiment and the “bill” always arrives in the end. Usually in their letterbox, one way or another.

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  22. Steve (North Shore) (4,564 comments) says:

    Let’s say I want to go live in Australia. I sell my house and shoot through without paying the Bank what I owe on my Mortgage.
    The Bank ain’t gonna be happy about that, so the Govt should require all STUDENT LOANS to be paid before leaving, because those who default leave it up to the TAXPAYER to pay
    End of story

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  23. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Steve (NS) – you’ve chosen a pretty poor example there.
    The bank will likely have no problem if you take off to Australia and keep your house, and if you don’t pay they will take it off you. Since by definition you can’t sell or give away an education, a better analogy would be not paying back a personal loan.
    In that case, the interest (and penalties) keep accruing and will continue to do so until the bank catches up with you. Which is exactly what happens with the student loan scheme (since there is interest if you live overseas). The bank is also more choosy about who they give money to.

    If the government is worried about people defaulting on their student loan, they should apply the same credit criteria to student borrowers as a bank would – not paying for rubbish arts degrees, checking credit history, cutting funding for not passing courses, etc.

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  24. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    By the way, I paid my loan back well after I moved to Australia. Because I had an obligation to pay back money I had borrowed for my education.
    I think the government would be better off pursuing the no-hopers who live in New Zealand with useless degrees than the small minority of borrowers who leave and never pay their debt.

    And you have to be a bit more realistic.

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  25. big bruv (13,923 comments) says:

    So it turns out that Neville Key was the one who decided to take 150 bludgers a year from Aussie.

    Thanks Neville, that might be somthing I remember come the next election.

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  26. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Reid ,
    Australia did not have a boat people problem until they had Rudd and Gillard..the boat people problem is Australia’s self created problem..Why should NZ taxpayers enrich people smugglers? This involvement has NZers doing deals with big time criminals..Also as refugee advocates have said , these people are queue jumpers buying their way ahead of legitimate refugees..why should NZ support queue jumpers?
    A Herald poll on this issue was about 90 per cent against..Key may want more of these people in the country..I don’t. I was assaulted twice by the mad max Somali who later went on to kidnap and stab others..The safety of NZers should come first.

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  27. Paulus (2,631 comments) says:

    Had to go into Public Hospital recently for “day op”.
    First time, so Hospital requested copy of my NZ Passport, otherwise pay the following ($….) immediately upon departure.

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  28. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    WE’ve only got tens of thousands in Oz. I was under the impression we had millions. I’ll never listen to a whinging Oz again

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