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		<title>By: Steve (North Shore)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/what_kiwis_die_of.html/comment-page-1#comment-1091509</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (North Shore)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 05:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No stats on transexuals or homos or gays or lesbians?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No stats on transexuals or homos or gays or lesbians?</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Longknives (2,122) Says: February 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm 
“It would also be interesting to see the deaths attributed to or associated with alcohol.”
and also Griff  above
&quot; In high-income countries, alcohol is the second leading risk factor for burden of disease (6.7%) (WHO, 2009).
 
yes so many statistics so little relevance as usual]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longknives (2,122) Says: February 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm<br />
“It would also be interesting to see the deaths attributed to or associated with alcohol.”<br />
and also Griff  above<br />
&#8221; In high-income countries, alcohol is the second leading risk factor for burden of disease (6.7%) (WHO, 2009).</p>
<p>yes so many statistics so little relevance as usual</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/what_kiwis_die_of.html/comment-page-1#comment-1091492</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.alac.org.nz/research-resources/nz-statistics/health-and-injury
 An estimated 3.8 percent of all global deaths and 4.6 percent of the global burden of disease are attributable to alcohol (Rehm et al., 2009).

• In high-income countries, alcohol is the second leading risk factor for burden of disease (6.7%) (WHO, 2009).

• Alcohol is responsible for approximately 20 percent of deaths due to motor vehicle accidents; 30 percent of deaths due to oesophageal cancer, liver cancer, epilepsy and homicide; and 50 percent of deaths due to liver cirrhosis (WHO, 2009).

• For healthy adults, drinking more than two standard drinks per day increases the risk of death from alcohol-related disease or injury to over 1 in 100 (National Health &amp; Medical Research Council, 2009).

• Drinking four standard drinks on a single occasion more than doubles the relative risk of an injury in the six hours afterwards (National Health &amp; Medical Research Council 2009).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.alac.org.nz/research-resources/nz-statistics/health-and-injury" rel="nofollow">http://www.alac.org.nz/research-resources/nz-statistics/health-and-injury</a><br />
 An estimated 3.8 percent of all global deaths and 4.6 percent of the global burden of disease are attributable to alcohol (Rehm et al., 2009).</p>
<p>• In high-income countries, alcohol is the second leading risk factor for burden of disease (6.7%) (WHO, 2009).</p>
<p>• Alcohol is responsible for approximately 20 percent of deaths due to motor vehicle accidents; 30 percent of deaths due to oesophageal cancer, liver cancer, epilepsy and homicide; and 50 percent of deaths due to liver cirrhosis (WHO, 2009).</p>
<p>• For healthy adults, drinking more than two standard drinks per day increases the risk of death from alcohol-related disease or injury to over 1 in 100 (National Health &amp; Medical Research Council, 2009).</p>
<p>• Drinking four standard drinks on a single occasion more than doubles the relative risk of an injury in the six hours afterwards (National Health &amp; Medical Research Council 2009).</p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longknives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ask anybody who works in the Mental Health sector about how &#039;harmless&#039; the &#039;Sacred Herb&#039; Cannabis is...
It wrecks havoc and would have a massive impact on suicide/homicide stats...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask anybody who works in the Mental Health sector about how &#8216;harmless&#8217; the &#8216;Sacred Herb&#8217; Cannabis is&#8230;<br />
It wrecks havoc and would have a massive impact on suicide/homicide stats&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nasska</title>
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		<dc:creator>nasska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Longknives

It may surprise you that depending on the study referred to, deaths from cannabis use vary between few &amp; none.  There is no point at which anyone can OD from cannaboids but chronic use could mirror the damage caused by tobacco.  Even then not many would smoke more than five joints a day yet many cigarette smokers would go through a couple of packs/day.

Cannabis may aggravate existing mental problems &amp; some users may endanger themselves while under the influence.  For most people the greatest danger is weight gain from excess consumption of potato chippies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longknives</p>
<p>It may surprise you that depending on the study referred to, deaths from cannabis use vary between few &amp; none.  There is no point at which anyone can OD from cannaboids but chronic use could mirror the damage caused by tobacco.  Even then not many would smoke more than five joints a day yet many cigarette smokers would go through a couple of packs/day.</p>
<p>Cannabis may aggravate existing mental problems &amp; some users may endanger themselves while under the influence.  For most people the greatest danger is weight gain from excess consumption of potato chippies.</p>
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		<title>By: Longknives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longknives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It would also be interesting to see the deaths attributed to or associated with alcohol.&quot;

Not to mention Cannabis Griff...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would also be interesting to see the deaths attributed to or associated with alcohol.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to mention Cannabis Griff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 03:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[krazykiwi notes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The gender suicide differential is alarming, and the fact there are so many at all is pretty sad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A correlation may be found between some of the number of men taking their own lives and those involved in the Family Court / Child Support nightmare, I suspect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>krazykiwi notes:</p>
<blockquote><p>The gender suicide differential is alarming, and the fact there are so many at all is pretty sad.</p></blockquote>
<p>A correlation may be found between some of the number of men taking their own lives and those involved in the Family Court / Child Support nightmare, I suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 02:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Farrar above in death gender breakdown says:
&quot; This breakdown by gender is fascinating Men die massively more by prostrate cancer (of course), suicide and accidents, while women from breast and ovarian cancer and dementia. Seven men did die from breast cancer though.&quot;
 This is so funny, and I was laughing so much I was prostrate and my prostate hurt, and bangkok Wan said, what is the matter dear, I said not too much  but did you know that men die massively more while  prostrate.  This is just a joke, about the way we write, even the most clever like Farrar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farrar above in death gender breakdown says:<br />
&#8221; This breakdown by gender is fascinating Men die massively more by prostrate cancer (of course), suicide and accidents, while women from breast and ovarian cancer and dementia. Seven men did die from breast cancer though.&#8221;<br />
 This is so funny, and I was laughing so much I was prostrate and my prostate hurt, and bangkok Wan said, what is the matter dear, I said not too much  but did you know that men die massively more while  prostrate.  This is just a joke, about the way we write, even the most clever like Farrar</p>
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		<title>By: Griff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would also be interesting to see the deaths attributed to or associated with alcohol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would also be interesting to see the deaths attributed to or associated with alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;mara (497) Says:
February 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

Some people also die because their hearts stop beating eventually. Just like that … pooft .. gone. Didn’t notice any of them in the stats. I hope the health wallahs are working on that one too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m afraid the health wallahs aren&#039;t working on that one, basically the certificates are supposed to be filled out as though a cause of death is definable, no matter how old or frail the patient.  Some deaths are clearly natural but the cause undefinable, and especially in a hospital setting a junior doctor may scratch his or her head, consult with the family doctor, and then stick down some condition the patient was known to have, even though they don&#039;t have a clue on a scientific level what might have done the deed.  Autopsies aren&#039;t all that common any longer. 

The death certificate instructions are off-the-planet unrealistic.

To be found here: http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/guide-certifying-causes-death

Excerpt:

Part I(a)
• Enter the disease, injury or complication which directly preceded death.
• It can be the sole entry on the certificate when only one condition such as
viral myocarditis or asthma was present at death.
• It may be a complication such as peritonitis, toxaemia or septicaemia.
• In the case of violent or unnatural deaths it is the injury resulting from
external causes. Note: This case would be at the instruction of a coroner.
• Do not enter the mode of dying such as collapse, respiratory failure,
syncope]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>mara (497) Says:<br />
February 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm</p>
<p>Some people also die because their hearts stop beating eventually. Just like that … pooft .. gone. Didn’t notice any of them in the stats. I hope the health wallahs are working on that one too.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid the health wallahs aren&#8217;t working on that one, basically the certificates are supposed to be filled out as though a cause of death is definable, no matter how old or frail the patient.  Some deaths are clearly natural but the cause undefinable, and especially in a hospital setting a junior doctor may scratch his or her head, consult with the family doctor, and then stick down some condition the patient was known to have, even though they don&#8217;t have a clue on a scientific level what might have done the deed.  Autopsies aren&#8217;t all that common any longer. </p>
<p>The death certificate instructions are off-the-planet unrealistic.</p>
<p>To be found here: <a href="http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/guide-certifying-causes-death" rel="nofollow">http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/guide-certifying-causes-death</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>Part I(a)<br />
• Enter the disease, injury or complication which directly preceded death.<br />
• It can be the sole entry on the certificate when only one condition such as<br />
viral myocarditis or asthma was present at death.<br />
• It may be a complication such as peritonitis, toxaemia or septicaemia.<br />
• In the case of violent or unnatural deaths it is the injury resulting from<br />
external causes. Note: This case would be at the instruction of a coroner.<br />
• Do not enter the mode of dying such as collapse, respiratory failure,<br />
syncope</p>
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		<title>By: mpledger</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/what_kiwis_die_of.html/comment-page-1#comment-1091389</link>
		<dc:creator>mpledger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@hinamanu 

Stats on suicide 
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10831455]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hinamanu </p>
<p>Stats on suicide<br />
<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10831455" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10831455</a></p>
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		<title>By: SGA</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/what_kiwis_die_of.html/comment-page-1#comment-1091383</link>
		<dc:creator>SGA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@anonymouse  &quot;A Comparison of the extent of Government funded programmes for Breast and Prostate cancer is left as an exercise for the reader…&quot;

Up to a point, yes - but it&#039;s worth looking at the age of death from those diseases as well.

Using USA figures (they were easier to find) -

From 2005-2009, the median age at death for cancer of the breast was 68 years of age.
21.3% of those were younger than 55 years
41.3% were between 55 and 74
37.5% were older than 74 years.


From 2005-2009, the median age at death for cancer of the prostate was 80 years of age.
1.6% of those were younger than 55 years
27.8% were between 55 and 74
70.6% were older than 74 years.

from

http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/breast.html
http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/prost.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anonymouse  &#8220;A Comparison of the extent of Government funded programmes for Breast and Prostate cancer is left as an exercise for the reader…&#8221;</p>
<p>Up to a point, yes &#8211; but it&#8217;s worth looking at the age of death from those diseases as well.</p>
<p>Using USA figures (they were easier to find) -</p>
<p>From 2005-2009, the median age at death for cancer of the breast was 68 years of age.<br />
21.3% of those were younger than 55 years<br />
41.3% were between 55 and 74<br />
37.5% were older than 74 years.</p>
<p>From 2005-2009, the median age at death for cancer of the prostate was 80 years of age.<br />
1.6% of those were younger than 55 years<br />
27.8% were between 55 and 74<br />
70.6% were older than 74 years.</p>
<p>from</p>
<p><a href="http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/breast.html" rel="nofollow">http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/breast.html</a><br />
<a href="http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/prost.html" rel="nofollow">http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/prost.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: hinamanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>hinamanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do we know how many suicides as govts prevent the stats from being published so the public has no idea what govt policies do and how they affect people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we know how many suicides as govts prevent the stats from being published so the public has no idea what govt policies do and how they affect people.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The striking thing about the graphs is the contribution of smoking as a major risk factor for premature death for most of the causes listed - circulatory, cancers and respiratory diseases (including influenza), vascular dementia and diabetes.

You have to die of something, but smokers on average die younger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The striking thing about the graphs is the contribution of smoking as a major risk factor for premature death for most of the causes listed &#8211; circulatory, cancers and respiratory diseases (including influenza), vascular dementia and diabetes.</p>
<p>You have to die of something, but smokers on average die younger.</p>
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		<title>By: mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people also die because their hearts stop beating eventually. Just like that ...  pooft .. gone.  Didn&#039;t notice any of them in the stats. I hope the health wallahs are working on that one too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people also die because their hearts stop beating eventually. Just like that &#8230;  pooft .. gone.  Didn&#8217;t notice any of them in the stats. I hope the health wallahs are working on that one too.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shame they don&#039;t include contraception on the graph.  The number of potential NZers killed by that means is enormous.  Not to mention abstention, the number of births that could have happened that didn&#039;t because people didn&#039;t have sex at every opportunity is simply amazing.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFF0F5 !important"><p>Shame they don&#8217;t include contraception on the graph.  The number of potential NZers killed by that means is enormous.  Not to mention abstention, the number of births that could have happened that didn&#8217;t because people didn&#8217;t have sex at every opportunity is simply amazing&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Changeiscoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Changeiscoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shame they didn&#039;t include abortions in this graph.  180 of those marks per year, the graphic would have been telling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="background-color:#FFF0F5 !important"><p>Shame they didn&#8217;t include abortions in this graph.  180 of those marks per year, the graphic would have been telling.</p>
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		<title>By: campit</title>
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		<dc:creator>campit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Gazzmaniac - it would be useful to have this information age banded, and over time.  &quot;What Kiwis die of&quot; is almost an irrelevant statistic because we eventually die of something if we are lucky enough to reach a ripe old age.  It would be far more useful to know which cancers are on the increase for those aged under 40, for instance, and focus on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Gazzmaniac &#8211; it would be useful to have this information age banded, and over time.  &#8220;What Kiwis die of&#8221; is almost an irrelevant statistic because we eventually die of something if we are lucky enough to reach a ripe old age.  It would be far more useful to know which cancers are on the increase for those aged under 40, for instance, and focus on that.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely my feel is that women die of old age more than men - many of the cancers and dementia deaths in women and men would be simple old age.

I&#039;m not clear how you die of dementia?  Do you have dementia when you die, or does it actually eventually kill you?  I can see that the mind goes, but it doesn&#039;t seem to stop the organs working - so did people really die of dementia?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely my feel is that women die of old age more than men &#8211; many of the cancers and dementia deaths in women and men would be simple old age.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not clear how you die of dementia?  Do you have dementia when you die, or does it actually eventually kill you?  I can see that the mind goes, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to stop the organs working &#8211; so did people really die of dementia?</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/what_kiwis_die_of.html/comment-page-1#comment-1091275</link>
		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the breakdown of age versus cancers and other diseases?  I am of the opinion that if you die of cancer or heart disease and you&#039;re over 80 then you really died of old age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the breakdown of age versus cancers and other diseases?  I am of the opinion that if you die of cancer or heart disease and you&#8217;re over 80 then you really died of old age.</p>
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