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	<title>Comments on: Why we should not own commercial competitive companies</title>
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		<title>By: mebemeg</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/why_we_should_not_own_commercial_competitive_companies.html/comment-page-1#comment-1098028</link>
		<dc:creator>mebemeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t a hydro-dam some kind of natural monopoly? And therefore isn&#039;t all that competitive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t a hydro-dam some kind of natural monopoly? And therefore isn&#8217;t all that competitive?</p>
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		<title>By: emmess</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
I don’t agree that our Government shouldn’t own a power company business. Power is an essential commodity, and our community could not survive without it
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You mean like food?]]></description>
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I don’t agree that our Government shouldn’t own a power company business. Power is an essential commodity, and our community could not survive without it
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<p>You mean like food?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (North Shore)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve (North Shore)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 06:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Government&#039;s job is to Govern. It is not the Government&#039;s job to be in business, otherwise it becomes a cash cow.

Why do you think Labour are screaming their nuts off? That&#039;s what kept the Socialist scumbags in power for 9 years (money for nothing)
Sell it, sell it, sell it and let the market level. Change supplier or get your own generator - but keep the corruption out of the SOEs.

SOEs will still be 51% NZ and the Govt will get some, but the Lefties will not be able to milk it as they have done]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Government&#8217;s job is to Govern. It is not the Government&#8217;s job to be in business, otherwise it becomes a cash cow.</p>
<p>Why do you think Labour are screaming their nuts off? That&#8217;s what kept the Socialist scumbags in power for 9 years (money for nothing)<br />
Sell it, sell it, sell it and let the market level. Change supplier or get your own generator &#8211; but keep the corruption out of the SOEs.</p>
<p>SOEs will still be 51% NZ and the Govt will get some, but the Lefties will not be able to milk it as they have done</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Their very lack of command of the English language makes a fellow cry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their very lack of command of the English language makes a fellow cry!</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 03:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nonsense Red. 

They have brought us fatarse teacher slags that endlessly intone the fact that they are doing their best for the &quot;KEED&#039;s&quot; despite the worst intentions of the folk who pay their over inflated wages.

When I hear so called dedicated teachers that call their charges &quot;Children&quot; then I may have more respect for them! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense Red. </p>
<p>They have brought us fatarse teacher slags that endlessly intone the fact that they are doing their best for the &#8220;KEED&#8217;s&#8221; despite the worst intentions of the folk who pay their over inflated wages.</p>
<p>When I hear so called dedicated teachers that call their charges &#8220;Children&#8221; then I may have more respect for them! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea that there were no schools or hospitals (and therefore no educated or healthy persons) until we had socialist government is lunacy.

What socialist government has brought us is derelict education systems where schools and universities are perverted into uncivil and repellent political indoctrination camps, and in health, they have brought us death panels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that there were no schools or hospitals (and therefore no educated or healthy persons) until we had socialist government is lunacy.</p>
<p>What socialist government has brought us is derelict education systems where schools and universities are perverted into uncivil and repellent political indoctrination camps, and in health, they have brought us death panels.</p>
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		<title>By: Naturesong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naturesong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 03:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Anthony (612) Says: 
February 16th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Quite right Redbaiter – investing in more state owned schools and more state owned hospitals is unlikely to do anything to help the country become more prosperous – or even improve anyones wellbeing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Quite right!
There is no difference between a sick ignorant person, and a healthy educated one.
Except that they tend to be more productive, less reliant on unemployment/sickness benefits and will likely have a greater quality of life.
Other than that, exactly the same]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anthony (612) Says:<br />
February 16th, 2013 at 3:42 pm<br />
Quite right Redbaiter – investing in more state owned schools and more state owned hospitals is unlikely to do anything to help the country become more prosperous – or even improve anyones wellbeing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Quite right!<br />
There is no difference between a sick ignorant person, and a healthy educated one.<br />
Except that they tend to be more productive, less reliant on unemployment/sickness benefits and will likely have a greater quality of life.<br />
Other than that, exactly the same</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite right Redbaiter - investing in more state owned schools and more state owned hospitals is unlikely to do anything to help the country become more prosperous - or even improve anyones wellbeing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right Redbaiter &#8211; investing in more state owned schools and more state owned hospitals is unlikely to do anything to help the country become more prosperous &#8211; or even improve anyones wellbeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The only companies the Government should own are those that provide some sort public service (Radio NZ but not TVNZ) or maybe monopoly infrastructure providers&quot;

&quot;I want a Government that invests in schools and hospitals&quot;

Two phrases that identify you David Farrar as a disgrace to the founding principles of the National Party.

All you do when you show support for such ideas is open the gate to the communists, for in respect of the first phrase, it is only a small step to saying that all companies are providing &quot;a public service&quot; and therefore should be owned by the state.

In respect of the second, it is government &quot;investment&quot; (what a putrid term) in these sectors that allows them so much control over its citizens in other areas. For example, when government controls health it can control (if it chooses) our diet. When government controls education, it can pervert that service to a political indoctrination process.

You really have no idea of why our freedoms have been lost, and it is because you do not that NZ is now more firmly in the grip of the left than it has ever been in its history. Nothing is being wound back that should be, and it won&#039;t be when key National Party supporters cling to the ideas you have exposed in this post.

You might as well be in the Labour party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only companies the Government should own are those that provide some sort public service (Radio NZ but not TVNZ) or maybe monopoly infrastructure providers&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I want a Government that invests in schools and hospitals&#8221;</p>
<p>Two phrases that identify you David Farrar as a disgrace to the founding principles of the National Party.</p>
<p>All you do when you show support for such ideas is open the gate to the communists, for in respect of the first phrase, it is only a small step to saying that all companies are providing &#8220;a public service&#8221; and therefore should be owned by the state.</p>
<p>In respect of the second, it is government &#8220;investment&#8221; (what a putrid term) in these sectors that allows them so much control over its citizens in other areas. For example, when government controls health it can control (if it chooses) our diet. When government controls education, it can pervert that service to a political indoctrination process.</p>
<p>You really have no idea of why our freedoms have been lost, and it is because you do not that NZ is now more firmly in the grip of the left than it has ever been in its history. Nothing is being wound back that should be, and it won&#8217;t be when key National Party supporters cling to the ideas you have exposed in this post.</p>
<p>You might as well be in the Labour party.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Patrick Shamus O&#039;Reid was one of me favourites! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Patrick Shamus O&#8217;Reid was one of me favourites! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom Jackson - in the four years after National broke up ECNZ and deregulated the market (in 1997), electricity prices actually dropped.  That&#039;s measureable in actual dollars, not even requiring one to take inflation into account.  The big increases actually happened after the Labour government began to re-regulate the market, about 2001.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Jackson &#8211; in the four years after National broke up ECNZ and deregulated the market (in 1997), electricity prices actually dropped.  That&#8217;s measureable in actual dollars, not even requiring one to take inflation into account.  The big increases actually happened after the Labour government began to re-regulate the market, about 2001.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/why_we_should_not_own_commercial_competitive_companies.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097699</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s all those poets Johnboy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all those poets Johnboy.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/why_we_should_not_own_commercial_competitive_companies.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097697</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Begorrah. Thinking loike an Oirishman!

Who&#039;d have thought Reid? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Begorrah. Thinking loike an Oirishman!</p>
<p>Who&#8217;d have thought Reid? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: berend</title>
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		<dc:creator>berend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF: &lt;i&gt;But now the taxpayer is going to be left having to finance a likely bailout of Solid Energy.&lt;/i&gt;

Hasn&#039;t the government been bailing out finance company after finance company? In NZ the chance of being bailed out are just way, way too high. So not being part of the government doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t get bailed out. We just need to have a fundamental policy about who we are going to bail out, why, and when, and stick to it.

And obviously IMO we bail out no one. It&#039;s called private enterprise after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF: <i>But now the taxpayer is going to be left having to finance a likely bailout of Solid Energy.</i></p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t the government been bailing out finance company after finance company? In NZ the chance of being bailed out are just way, way too high. So not being part of the government doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t get bailed out. We just need to have a fundamental policy about who we are going to bail out, why, and when, and stick to it.</p>
<p>And obviously IMO we bail out no one. It&#8217;s called private enterprise after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hydro dams tend to silt up after a few decades or three. I wonder if the Leftie/Greenie folks that will seemingly form our next (perish the thought) Gummint have thought on that?

Selling them now to dumb private investors would seem like a good idea. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hydro dams tend to silt up after a few decades or three. I wonder if the Leftie/Greenie folks that will seemingly form our next (perish the thought) Gummint have thought on that?</p>
<p>Selling them now to dumb private investors would seem like a good idea. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey if they&#039;ve found a niche in the international market they can exploit what&#039;s wrong with that? I didn&#039;t read anything negative has actually happened so what&#039;s the problem?

I wish NZ corporations would do this a lot more, export their business model as a franchise opportunity in another market. What&#039;s wrong with that? If it was a dumb business model it probably wouldn&#039;t work, but if this the case I doubt MRP executives would have done this if it was.

I applaud it. This kind of thinking is Celtic Tiger thinking. If this whole country thought like that Irish thinking was in the 80, 90&#039;s and Noughties, we&#039;d have been leading Australia today, instead of the other way round. And this is just a tiny example of that.

Like a faint flare briefly illuming on the horizon in the middle of the darkest night you have ever been in. Let&#039;s hope they don&#039;t bungle it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey if they&#8217;ve found a niche in the international market they can exploit what&#8217;s wrong with that? I didn&#8217;t read anything negative has actually happened so what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
<p>I wish NZ corporations would do this a lot more, export their business model as a franchise opportunity in another market. What&#8217;s wrong with that? If it was a dumb business model it probably wouldn&#8217;t work, but if this the case I doubt MRP executives would have done this if it was.</p>
<p>I applaud it. This kind of thinking is Celtic Tiger thinking. If this whole country thought like that Irish thinking was in the 80, 90&#8242;s and Noughties, we&#8217;d have been leading Australia today, instead of the other way round. And this is just a tiny example of that.</p>
<p>Like a faint flare briefly illuming on the horizon in the middle of the darkest night you have ever been in. Let&#8217;s hope they don&#8217;t bungle it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Scorned</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Scorned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trouble is Tom...the States dead hand is still clenched around the neck of power generation in NZ....hence the problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trouble is Tom&#8230;the States dead hand is still clenched around the neck of power generation in NZ&#8230;.hence the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too big to fail = too big to be privately owned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too big to fail = too big to be privately owned.</p>
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		<title>By: edd</title>
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		<dc:creator>edd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gazzmaniac - &quot;arguably 100% privately owned enterprises is the path to freedom&quot;.

I think the kiwi bank model is the way to go. A hole bunch of private banks and one government owned option giving lower mortgage rates when the government wants them lowered, instead of the cash rate coming down and the government ordering the banks to lower their rates.. One step in the direction of freedom where banks are free to choose their rates and customers can go to kiwi bank for the lowest rates in town... Perfect...

What about a government owned supermarket chain to compete against the big boys? Any takers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gazzmaniac &#8211; &#8220;arguably 100% privately owned enterprises is the path to freedom&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think the kiwi bank model is the way to go. A hole bunch of private banks and one government owned option giving lower mortgage rates when the government wants them lowered, instead of the cash rate coming down and the government ordering the banks to lower their rates.. One step in the direction of freedom where banks are free to choose their rates and customers can go to kiwi bank for the lowest rates in town&#8230; Perfect&#8230;</p>
<p>What about a government owned supermarket chain to compete against the big boys? Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Privatizing water and power is in practice, rather than theory, nothing but a rort. The cost of power in nz is a disgrace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Privatizing water and power is in practice, rather than theory, nothing but a rort. The cost of power in nz is a disgrace.</p>
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