Wogistan
February 12th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David FarrarNew Zealand First MP Richard Prosser has a column in Investigate Magazine. In his latest column he refers to certain people as coming from “Wogistan” and also declares that no young male who is a Muslim, looks like a Muslim or is from a Muslim country should be able to fly on a Western airline.
It is worth realising that these are not comments made off the cuff in an interview. A New Zealand Member of Parliament sat down and wrote a column that refers to Wogistan and calls for basically dark-skinned people (how else do you interpret look like a Muslim) not to be allowed to fly.
36,000 New Zealanders are Muslims. A New Zealand MP has said they should be banned from flying or Air New Zealand if they are male and aged 19 to 35. I’m sorry, but that is appalling.
Now before anyone says this is just political correctness, and one should be able to talk about the fact almost all airline terrorism incidents have been done by young male Muslims – I agree. I there there is an absolutely valid discussion to be held on issues such as the pros and cons of profiling, the costs of airline security, and the fact that so much terrorism is done in the name of Islam. In fact I have blogged on these issues several times.
But one can have that discussion without referring to Muslims implicitly as Wogs and without calling for Muslims to be banned from flying on Western airlines.
Some of the quotes from the article:
I will not stand by while their [his daughters'] rights and freedoms of other New Zealanders and Westerners, are denigrated by a sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan …
I mean seriously – effectively calling people wogs. I actually like Richard Prosser and agree with him on a few issues, but this column is seriously offensive.
If you are a young male, aged between say about 19 and about 35, and you’re a Muslim, or you look like a Muslim, or you come from a Muslim country, then you are not welcome to travel on any of the West’s airline …
When he says looks like a Muslim, does he mean look like a wog? Because let’s face it any sensible wannabee terrorist could simply wear non-religious attire if they really wanted to blow up a plane. So I can only imagine “look like a Muslim” means if you look South East Asian or Persian or Arabic or Turkish etc? Never mind that they may in fact be Christian or Hindu or anything. If they look like a Muslim, we have a Member of Parliament saying you should not be able to travel on Western airlines?
Taking Richard literally, Air New Zealand should refuse to accept any passengers from Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia etc if they are a young male. This presumably includes all the students from those countries that are students at New Zealand universities.
If the belief systems of ancient history are so important to you, and the advances of the decadent West so abhorrent, go ride a camel instead?.
Now this comment was not directed at the extremists, but at anyone who is a Muslim, looks like a Muslim or comes from a Muslim country.
Now again, there is a very legitimate debate to be had about profiling, terrorism, extreme Islamists and the like. I’ve been attacked myself for writing on some of those issues.
But never in a hundred years would I refer to Wogistan and advocate that people be barred from flying based on their appearance or country of origin. And to have a Member of Parliament deliberately write that is staggering.
Labour and the Greens are desperate to form a Government with NZ First as they know it is near impossible without them. Will any Labour or Green MP come out and state what they think of their potential coalition partner writing about Wogistan? Winston wants to be Foreign Minister again. Does he stand by the views of his MP that young men from Malaysia and Indonesia should be banned from travelling on Western airlines?
A photo of the second page of the column is below.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:10 am
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Unpopular. Like or Dislike:February 12th, 2013 at 10:12 am
I think most Muslims in New Zealand come from South East Asia, and some are from Fiji. And some are Maori.
The ‘looks like’ exclusion from flying is bad enough, but it’s an impractical criteria anyway, unless Prosser really means that the airlines of ‘the West’ should only allow obviously white young males to fly – and then they may have to be careful about getting a tan on their holiday in Fiji.
And how would it be done? Anyone at an airport who doesn’t like the look of someone could have them excluded from their flight?
February 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am
I would think that most of Kiwiblog’s readership would totally agree with everything he said.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:14 am
@YesWeDid
You are so full of shit you will float away
February 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Yep and Key has just invited more in than clark did.
What a flake.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:18 am
David, your worry is that National is likely going to need a coalition partner or even two. The two most likely will be NZF and The Conservative Party.
Which would you prefer a National led coalition including one or both of the above or the alternative?
[DPF: I would prefer Conservatives to NZ First. I would prefer opposition to National dealing with Winston]
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:22 am
No, no no no, I said, no I won’t have that.
Niggers are the WEST Indians.
These people are wogs…
February 12th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Why did you take a photo of the article? Surely scanning it would have been better, it’s pretty unreadable the way it is.
[DPF: I don't have a scanner in my apartment]
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:26 am
…Says a list MP, belonging to a pretty minor opposition party, in the New Zealand parliament.
The Wogs would probably characterise NZ First members in exactly the same words, with some justification…
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:28 am
The best thing about this article is the author is still free to make these statements. This must really outrage the permanently outraged and they will likely use it to continue their push for speech codes.
The right to offend must be preserved at all costs.
And no, before the above mentioned self righteous get on their high horses, this is not an endorsement of Prosser’s comments.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:29 am
wow. NZ First is going to be a great coalition partner for labour/greens/united etc lmao
even Dime thinks thats harsh.
However, Dime is all for profiling at airports. We are nuts not to just be doing it outright.
Being a big blonde dude, Dime gets pulled aside every time he goes through customs in NZ or Aussie. The explosive sweep test thing. It makes them feel better to check a blonde, then a muslim…
February 12th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Perhaps if the National Party had acknowledged the results of the anti-smacking referendum, got rid of the ETS and didn’t have MPs organizing gay pride parades and had stuck to promoting the core values of middle New Zealand then New Zealand First might not now have 7 mps
February 12th, 2013 at 10:33 am
“Yep and Key has just invited more in than clark did.”
No – numbers remain at 750 per year.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:34 am
The term “extremist” is mentioned.
I quote the president of Turkey – “There is no extreme Islam. There is only Islam.”
Anyway – it is definitely the case that Muslim immigrants do not fit in to a country as well as other groups. This is the case all over the world.
There is no getting away from the politically-incorrect facts –
Islam is incompatible with Western values, ideals and freedoms.
The teachings of the Quran are extremely hateful and violent towards non-Muslims. Just because most Muslims don’t act on these teachings doesn’t change the fact that they exist.
Islam teaches that Muslims are “the best” of peoples, and non-Muslims are the worst.
When it comes to immigrants, I suggest that we can do a *lot* better than to take in people with those values and beliefs.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Andrei – nothing would make me happier than for you to have a gay kid. or grandkid. it would make my day.
id prefer it wasnt a nice gay kid either. rather, one of those seedy gay dudes who spend their lives at glory holes and in saunas etc. maybe one that wears leather assless chaps.
or, when you get to “heaven” god looks ta you and goes – “oh youre that dick that didnt like gay people” and walks off
February 12th, 2013 at 10:37 am
LOL – if you’re a young, white guy travelling by yourself then you’re already getting profiled at the airport, just probably for a different kind of suspicious package.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Are you saying you are an NZ First voter, andrei?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Thanks for calling this shit out.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:42 am
RRM – heh
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:42 am
I wonder if Richard Prosser would think these people look Muslim enough to be banned from flying in New Zealand? NZ First’s ban Muslims from flying list?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:42 am
It happens often enough for me also, and I travel every second week for work (although I am a ranga not blonde).
One of my workmates has a theory, and that is that the security officers deliberately pull over white males, because they just cooperate and are easier to deal with. Middle aged women are a pain, and anyone a darker shade than tan will accuse them of profiling, but white males just let them do their thing. And if it’s true (the theory has merit at the very least) I don’t blame them, since they’ve got a pretty crap job to do and just want to go home without too many people having abused them. Without guidance from their superiors, they will choose the easy option.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:46 am
No
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:47 am
gazz – that could be it!
i like to think 1 blonde for every 20 muslims.. but yeah, your theory is probably right.
Dime is all for strict security. a lot of people seem to get upset about it though.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Are you offended, David? Or are you taking offense on behalf of others?
I think you can call this column a lot of things and I am sure you could have come up with a more apt description.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:51 am
El Al (the Israeli airline) profiles its passengers and makes no apologies about it (and good on them). It is apparently one of the safest airlines in the world to travel on.
From Somalia to Sweden to Mali to southern Thailand, Muslims cause nothing but trouble. Give our ones here some time and they will do the same.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Winston was only going to be able to keep his caucus under control for so long. Looks like time is up.
The best National can hope for is that Prosser refuses to shut up, that Arsenati Lole-Taylor springs into print (rather than restricting her views to a closed group on twitter) and that others in the NZ First caucus find their voices.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Imagine what the Greens or Labour would say if it was a National MP who said it! I understand free speech but an MP writing this is pretty bad.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Scarcely a day passes without a report of some unspeakably vile behaviour from Muslim extremists or simply “rural” Muslim men horrifically abusing women. Frankly, if Muslims can’t clean up their religion they will have to live with the reputation it has earned.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Islamisation begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious rights. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious rights, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. Here’s how it works.
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part being regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
-United States – Muslim 0.6%
-Australia – Muslim 1.5%
-Canada – Muslim 1.9%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytise from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Germany – Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom – Muslim 2.7%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves – along with threats for failure to comply.
This is occurring in:
France – Muslim 8%
Philippines – Muslim 5%
Sweden – Muslim 5%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: -
Guyana – Muslim 10%
India – Muslim 13.4%
Israel – Muslim 16%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in Ethiopia – Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: -Bosnia – Muslim 40% -Chad – Muslim 53.1%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania – Muslim 70%
Malaysia – Muslim 60.4%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Egypt – Muslim 90%
Gaza – Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia – Muslim 86.1%
Iran – Muslim 98%
Iraq – Muslim 97%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan – Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia – Muslim 100%
As I said, the figures are now not fully accurate, but the general sense of how this process works is nicely contained in this piece of information.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Prosser is an idiot, but it shows the pitfalls of the political party system where there just (inthis case) aren’t enough bright people prepared to take up a cause for which they will be pilloried by liberals, the left and those who benefit from immigration.
Vote:David farrar picks on Prosser but is deafly silent on the gov’s own Savings Working Group who blame the high cost of housing on immiigration and tax nreaks for property investors.
If Prosser is nuts, what about Professor Spoonley and his diversity dividend which is “absolutely essential” for our economic well being. The media gives him a free pass when he claimd that as Aucklands poulation increases it “becomes a better place to live”.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Harriet – thats awesome.
Aussie is borderline. 1.9% and they already have grief.
Im still surprised we havent seen a group of maori muslims. i can just picture them with their long beards etc i guess tere is no monetary advantage to be muslim..
i have to admit. at 98%, id just convert to avoid coping shit
February 12th, 2013 at 11:11 am
The Contrarian said (in reply to Viking2)
You’re quite right TC; we already take 750 refugees a year, as we should. And any refugees that we take via Australia will be part of that quota, not in addition to it.
But trying to get the likes of V2 to a fact like that is futile. He/she would far rather rant and rave that civilisation as we know it is ending. Oddly enough, providing a new home for those who experience persecution or oppression in their own country is precisely what a civilised country and responsible global citizen such as New Zealand does, and long may that continue.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:13 am
You did ask dime.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2004/10/a_jihad_for_tino_rangatiratanga.html#comment-109928
Kia ora koutou katoa i roto i te ahuatanga o te wa nei,
“Whoever puts his nationality before Islam is not a Muslim” Prophet Muhammad (saw).
As President of the Aotearoa Maori Muslim Community, firstly their are some corrections that need to be made to that article.
1) We are not Maori nationalists, we are Islamic Fundamentalists.
2) We are not anti-Pakeha because not only do we have Pakeha Muslim Convert Members but ALLAH SWT created Adam the Father of Humanity and all Nations are Brothers and Sisters.
3) I do not condone the actions of the Chechen Muslims in Beslan but we are aware of their struggle against communist Russia.
4) I do not convert Inmates to Islam but I do speak to inmates who have converted.
5) We are not militant but we are confrontational in the defense of Islam and Muslims.
and lastly:
6) FIANZ does not finance my Prison visits.
All praise be to ALLAH RABBUL AZEEM! Our Maori Muslim Community are ahlus sunnah wal Jammah and our Madhab is Shafi (Although we do have some Sufis and Jammat Tableegh)
Vote:We are a very devoted community and we just love our International Muslim Brothers and Sisters too much, we understand the commandment saying that it is unlawful to cut ties of kinship because most of us love the Muslim Community more than we love our own non Muslim Families. Our hearts bleed at the plight of our Muslim Brothers and Sisters suffering oppression in Palestine, Chechnya, Bosnia, Iraq, Afganistan etc.
But we all understand that we have a duty to share Islam to our Maori people and we know that the only way is to follow the example of our Prophet Muhammad (saw)
ma’a salaama,
Te Amorangi Izhaq Kireka-Whaanga
President of The Muslim Association of Hawkes Bay.
Hastings.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:19 am
@Keeping Stock – “…providing a new home for those who experience persecution or oppression in their own country…”
Indeed – as long as those who are seeking the “new home” are not those doing the “oppressing” – i.e. Muslims.
Keep taking in Muslims (as European countries are doing) and see how long the country remains “civilised”.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Dime#
“….Im still surprised we havent seen a group of maori muslims. i can just picture them with their long beards etc i guess tere is no monetary advantage to be muslim….”
Or monetary advantage to be a Christian………or Maori…..if Maori womens’ abortion rates are anything to go by!
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Western countries should adopt the same kind of profiling that Israel adopts.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:27 am
***Professor Spoonley and his diversity dividend which is “absolutely essential” for our economic well being. The media gives him a free pass when he claimd that as Aucklands poulation increases it “becomes a better place to live”.***
Interesting – Australian housing prices are also driven significantly by net population increase via immigration. There is a little bit of pushback coming from a recent party as the major parties don’t offer any choice.
“The Stable Population Party is a sustainability party with a major focus on population – the critical issue ignored by other parties. Our grassroots community party formed in 2010 to give all Australians a choice on population and therefore the sustainability of the environment, economy and quality of life we enjoy and pass on.
Population growth is already causing or exacerbating all of Australia’s major problems. A stable population will, among many other positive things:…
73% of Australians support our stable population target of around 26m by 2050, not the Coalition / Labor / Greens / Katter policy outcome of around 36-40m and rising. Powerful business lobby groups are pushing for this rapid population (customer) growth. But our grassroots community party echoes the voice of the people. Why? We won’t resolve any of Australia’s (or the world’s) major problems until we first resolve ‘the everything issue’.”
http://www.populationparty.org.au/
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:28 am
@cha – ““Whoever puts his nationality before Islam is not a Muslim”.
Exactly. We saw this with the massacre at Fort Hood.
For Muslims, the alleged-to-exist Allah *always* comes first in allegiance.
That is why democracy is seen as “unIslamic” – it is not “Allah’s law”.
( Muslims will, of course, go along with democracy as long as it serves their purposes and ultimate (ulterior) goals…… )
February 12th, 2013 at 11:41 am
surprising, you allow Maori to be called niggers on this site, but you dont like Prosser referring to “wogistan”. If you are hosting a site that allows some of the vitriol displayed on this site towards other races….then your response to prosser is hypocritical
[DPF: Don't lie. If someone uses the word nigger in a derogatory way I will demerit or suspend them. That does require someone to alert me to the comment. But also you miss the crucial point. I expect MPs to be less inflammatory and offensive than anonymous blog commenters such as yourself]
February 12th, 2013 at 11:44 am
“Seriously offensive”. Stephen Fry on being offended:
http://www.goodmeme.net/meme/12430
I prefer to think of the article as mad.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:52 am
I have trouble with people who believe in supernatural fairy tales, whether the stories are about reincarnated cows, magic floods which break the laws of thermodynamics, talking dead guys, or religions of peace.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:54 am
This puts Shearer and Norman on the spot. They need to tell us whether they would enter a coalition with a party of ignorant racists, and if Prosser would be a minister in a Labour-Greens-NZ First government.
I suspect Shearer will be shocked. But Norman is competing with NZ First for the anti-Chinese vote, so he is probably okay with the idea of Prosser as Minister of Immigration.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:56 am
But hone harawira im a racist cock called us white mo/fo’s and he’s a member of parliament…got away with it, so I think Richard Prosser is also allowed to say what he thinks.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:58 am
I think Richard Prosser should be allowed to say whatever he likes also. That shouldn’t stop us from judging him by what he says.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Using Prosser’s logic, Boris Johnson should be more worried about getting rid of all those Irish Catholics and making sure Irish citizens, anyone who “looks Irish” or “comes from a Catholic country” are turned back at the borders. You just can’t trust those people — and it’s better to be safe than have another IRA bomb go off in central London.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Wow! I thought that, being largely Pakeha, most of my ancestors came from Pak-istan.
Vote:Must I now get used to being a Wogeha from Wog-istan?
February 12th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
It feels great to be welcoming, generous, and indulgent, as well as important, especially when you can do so with other peoples money. Prosser senses this open house mentality afflicting our Parliamentarians and NGOs, commissions and tribunals, and uses strong language to endeavour to draw them back to reality. Like Enoch Powell decades ago his wisdom may be better appreciated as the years pass and the slide gathers momentum.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
“If the belief systems of ancient history are so important to you, and the advances of the decadent West so abhorrent, go ride a camel instead?.”
Richard Prosser if the belief systems of the Islamic world is abhorrent to you and you want to demonstrate your cultural superiority – stop buying petrol. Until then STFU.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Is Wogistan anywhere near Iranistan or NorthKoreastan?
http://www.palinaspresident.us/index.swf
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Keeping Stock (8,568) Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:11 am
The Contrarian said (in reply to Viking2)
“Yep and Key has just invited more in than clark did.”
No – numbers remain at 750 per year.
You’re quite right TC; we already take 750 refugees a year, as we should. And any refugees that we take via Australia will be part of that quota, not in addition to it.
But trying to get the likes of V2 to a fact like that is futile. He/she would far rather rant and rave that civilisation as we know it is ending. Oddly enough, providing a new home for those who experience persecution or oppression in their own country is precisely what a civilised country and responsible global citizen such as New Zealand does, and long may that continue.
Vote:\——————
Pity you didn’t read more KS.
Just look at your home country or my family country of Sweden and look how they are both fucked up by the mussies.
I want my grandkids to grow up with the fear of being raped or bashed etc as is the won’t of these ferral bastards. If you enjoy their company move back to England and enjoy.
Like all things creeping including your favourite parties socialism there is nothing nice nor to be proud off.
February 12th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Winston looks like a muslim
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Pity for your argument that muslim rape isn’t really much of an issue – I’d be more worried about your kids being raped by a whitey or a maori.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
LOL yes because in New Zealand you’ll only ever get raped or bashed by a Muslim…
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
I feel a little bit sorry for Muslims. All Muslins get the stick for what a comparatively small number do. When was the last time a New Zealand Muslim threw a bomb in a public place? A local Muslim interviewed was asked what he thought of terrorist attacks occurring elsewhere at the time. He said they had come here to get away from that sort of thing. Common justice dictates only the guilty or those likely to be guilty should be targetted.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Well all that article confirms is that NZ First MP’s aren’t too bright, no surprises there, and that some people (those who agree with this point of view) dress up their racism by claiming that they are against intolerant religious sects.
Being Muslim is like being Christian, Jewish, or believing in the Tooth Fairy – it’s not a matter of ethnicity or nationality, it’s a belief system.
Just because I’m a white European doesn’t mean I’m Christian and believe in mythical imaginary beings, no more that being born in, say, Pakistan means you’re Muslim – they have Christians there too, and people who don’t believe in imaginary beings and their ‘teachings’.
If people lingering at the lower end of the bell curve knew their facts they’d know that some people who have committed terrorism on planes were white people who converted to Islam – so how the hell they think that ethnic profiling would stop planes being bombed I don’t know – but hey, why let the facts get in the way of their ignorant prejudices!
I guess it’d be pointless to expect some people to realise they’re really no different from the people they claim to want to protect us from – intolerance leads to extremism and it don’t matter what colour your skin is.
Or as Yoda so aptly put it; “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.”
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
All people of Irish descent should be banned too. Stilo quite a few Irish Terrorists. And Iberians, can’t be too careful with some of them being Basque separists. And lets not forget the Asians, a few of them have had civil wars with terrorism. Hello, anyone left on the plane?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Its not a lie, David, and there was no need to call it such. I have seen too many posts on here with some mind boggling racism. And why on earth would you expect Prosser to be more circumspect than the anonymous blogger? You obviously dont condone “circumspect” , but you have the cheek to get up in arms about his comment. Then you have the cheek to say Im lying when its pointed out. It would be interesting to see how many people you “ban” or “demerit” for some of the disgusting remarks made on here – do you keep a log?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Richard Prosser has sacrificed a political career for bluntly telling the truth. The problem is caused by Muslims yet everyone else is made to suffer inconvenience rather than hurt the precious sensitivities of those who choose to follow the violent teachings of Allah.
Instead of checking old ladies’ hand luggage & babies’ nappies strip search & anally probe anyone who vaguely looks male, young & Muslim.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Richard Prosser has sacrificed a political career for bluntly telling the truth.
And keeping young men who “look” like they “might” be muslim off “western” airlines helps anyone how exactly??
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Wogistan
Vote:Wigstan
Winstan
Winston
February 12th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Its not a lie, David, and there was no need to call it such. I have seen too many posts on here with some mind boggling racism.
You accused DPF of tollerating this. He said you lied. But you have avoided actually proving it. The fact you’ve seen racist posts doesn’t defend your lie, it just means they have not been reported.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Just because I’m a white European doesn’t mean I’m Christian or believe in mythical imaginary beings…
Fixed that for you.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Dudes an old white guy…fits the profile of a kiddy fiddler.
erego, ban all old white guys from driving near schools.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
scrubone – you had it right to start with.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
The Prosser Solution – Richard Prosser can solve his problem himself.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Stuff.co has a photo of Prosser with their article.
He looks to me like the next Central Casting Character – after your young Muslim – I’d not want to fly sitting next to.
How does Wogistan Peters pick these people – some sort of intuitive flocking thing?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Harriet
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10%
The link below is an article from Paul Spoonley advocating self rule within nation states.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3553527
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3553527
Spoonley says diversity creates jobs for kiwis and creates a more productive society. Yet contradicts himself with this article..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10859795
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
scrubone (1,911) Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Just because I’m a white European doesn’t mean I’m Christian or believe in mythical imaginary beings…
Fixed that for you.
Nah scrubone, you didn’t. I meant ‘and’. God is a mythical being, whether it’s Christians, Muslims or Jews (or whoever else’s) God ‘it’s’ still a mythical being.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Thank you for proving my point V2. Not being an immigrant from England (fourth-generation New Zealander), I can’t “move back” there.
But check this ther link below; it’s the Sensible Sentencing Trust’s Sexual Offenders database. Oddly, you will find that it’s probably not Muslims or any particular ethnic group which is raping and bashing our women and children. Scumbaggery tends to be colour-blind, as offenders such as Graham Capill prove.
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Creeping Dhimmitude!.
Although Israel doesn’t seem to have a problem with publicly funded Sharia courts.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
“….Is Wogistan anywhere near Iranistan or NorthKoreastan?…”
Go STRAIGHT through the Gaybourhood RRM and turn HARD LEFT!
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
So according to New Zealand First MP Richard Prosser, this means that Sonny Bill won’t be able to travel with his All Black Squad.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Winston knew about Prosser’s article three weeks ago and has given a very weak response when questioned about it. He didn’t say Prosser was wrong in what he said, just that he made a mistake because he didn’t have “the balance in the other side of the argument.”
This must just about exclude any chance of National or Labour considering NZ First for inclusion a Government coalition.
http://yournz.org/2013/02/12/winston-on-prosser/
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Shall we test that out?
Prosser is a racist and his position as an MP is untenable.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Andrea Vance @avancenz
Richard Prosser not fronting up to Parliament. But he is “busy working” on a statement. (says Winston).
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
I gather that Prosser wrote his nasty racist rant after having a knife confiscated by aviation security. In which case it isn’t muslim youth who are a threat to air travel, but a NZ First MP who tries to smuggle a knife on to a plane.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Harawira is a racist and his position as an MP should be untenable too, but I don’t see him resigning any time soon.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Hands up Christians who’d put their nationality before Jesus? Anyone? Anyone?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Ryan Sproull – which just confirms my earlier point, that the religious are nutty for believing in fairy tales, and it makes no difference which fairy tales they believe.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
I think that anyone who considers “nationality” to be on a par with one’s personal beliefs of what is right and wrong is plenty nutty themselves.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Interestingly enough, “WOG” came from an instruction (British Army in India, I think) that the locals were to be treated as “worthy oriental gentlemen.” A case of “you can drag a horse to water, but … ” sort of syndrome.)
Irrespective, however, isn’t it fascinating that the main thrust of most of the above comments has wandered far from the actual substance of the Wogistan item into almost unrelated utterances which owe much of their substance to the matchlessly absurd delineations of “PC?”
In these idiot times, no one ever recounts the old saw about “sticks and stones” – instead, those affected seek to portray their greatest possible affront to a generation all but completely ga-ga in its ability to comprehend what’s rational – let alone understand it.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Ryan you’re free to believe whatever fairy tales you like. I prefer to believe things that are based on verifiable observation and fact than magic fairy tales from thousands of years ago.
Fairy tales have nothing to do with somebody’s sense of what’s right and wrong, since there are plenty of religious people who do awful things and plenty of people who aren’t who are good people.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
There’s nothing about verifiable observation that makes nationality a competitor in the realm of personal morality.
I don’t follow your logic there. Why would fairy tales/religions having something to do with people’s sense of right and wrong mean that no religious people do anything wrong?
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Your argument was about nationality vs “personal beliefs of what is right and wrong” and specifically referred to religion. My point is that religion has nothing to do with right and wrong, because people still have a sense of right and wrong in its absence.
Never said there was.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Does vegetarianism have nothing to do with what people eat, because non-vegetarians still choose what they eat?
Religions both express and inform people’s personal sense of right and wrong. Just because they don’t have a monopoly on morality, doesn’t mean they’re unrelated.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Using your logic, vegetarians would be the only people who eat vegetables. They don’t, most people eat vegetables whether they’re vegos or not.
You don’t need a fairy tale to tell you what’s right or wrong and religion does not have a monopoly on it.
Religion requires one to believe in things so unrealistic that any sane and rational adult would laugh at were it not shoved down their throats from birth.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
I didn’t say religions were required for morality. I said that they’re related.
As I said.
Irrelevant.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Remember the media furor over Catherine Delahunty’s mad ravings? Niether do I.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
But check this ther link below; it’s the Sensible Sentencing Trust’s Sexual Offenders database. Oddly, you will find that it’s probably not Muslims or any particular ethnic group which is raping and bashing our women and children. Scumbaggery tends to be colour-blind, as offenders such as Graham Capill prove.
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/sxdb.htm
KS. cheery picking the NZ stats doesn’t prove your point at all. As stated above there are supposedly 36K in NZ so your sample is invalid. Just read up what is happening oversea’s where they are attempting to establish control Sweden has terrible numbers. I ” let you look for you need the education. Ignoring it won’t make the problem go away.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
I heard Winston is not happy and said Prosser will make a statement. We will see.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Maori actor Cliff Curtis has made a good living playing swarthy suspects and heroes in Hollywood. By this criteria, however, he would not be able to get to work – or if he’s already over there, he would not be allowed home. OK so this Prosser tosser has backed down – but now we know who / what he really is and he is not fit to represent anyone in any democratic role.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
gazzmaniac at 3:50 pm:
There’s a hell of a lot of things that any sane and rational adult would laugh at were it not held up as science. But as soon as some scientist says they’ve proved xyz, most adults accept it as fact, despite the slight problem that they couldn’t begin to explain it, or the relevance, or indeed understand the methods used to prove it.
Do you believe that life can exist without oxygen or light? Sounds pretty unrealistic to me, but scientists have discovered samples of previously unknown species of bacteria swimming around in Lake Vida which supports this theory. So most people don’t even think about it, they just go, “Well if scientists say it’s so, then it must be.”
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Yes, but that’s because most people understand that if scientists are saying such a thing that its because they have evidence to back up their claim.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
The right to offend must be preserved at all costs.
I don’t get this.
Sure, it would be bad if ‘free speech’ was nobbled.
Context is everything, though. If you’re an MP and you make statement like this in a publication then it’s a completely different kettle of fish to some random laugh by Joe Bloggs in your private backyard across the BBQ on a Friday.
If a relgious war started from an article that was otherwise classified under the ‘right to offend’ then a whole bunch of people would all of sudden change their minds, I would suspect.
Which is why laws like this exist, to stop hatred and hurt. Not to stop anyone saying what they feel. And, if they thought about it for more than two seconds, they could say what they felt in a controlled fashion without having to resort to calling someone a wog.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Prosser’s views are only extreme when compared to the very naive , uninformed , inexperienced PC views of so many NZers.
Vote:One could say he is ahead of his time or conversely that NZ is stuck in some 50s time warp. His views are well known..All the shock and outrage is pathetic.
Islam is not and never has been a race. , a deadly cult yes but not a race.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Muslim women are not abused because of Islam: “And live with them in kindness.” Quran, Surah 4:19
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Yes I agree.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
@UglyTruth, there are continuous accounts of Muslim religious police and vigilantes abusing women physically, morally and mentally. They have a horrifically perverted interpretation of “kindness”.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
I remember reading a book by some crusty old army chap, Sandy Thomas I think, about some Islamic shithole like Oman or Yemen or somewhere.
The troops caused some upset amongst the natives by referring to them as “Wogs”.
The Colonel passed an order banning the word.
True to the spirit of the Tommy the next day they started to call the locals “Gollys”
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Pollywog posted at 2.02
Unless Pollywog was being ironic, and assuming that Middle Eastern types don’t regard themselves as “white” (most do), there is still far more abuse and mistreatment of young girls and boys in a fundamentalist Muslim country like Afghanistan than in any Western “white” country.
Note that Paul Joseph Dally, refused parole today in his sentence for raping and burying alive a young Wellington girl is certainly not “white” in the generally accepted sense.(link below)
However, as pointed out before on Kiwiblog, the concept of race is questionable, and the notion of “white” is even more questionable. North China and Japan (and perhaps Korea, too) have many people with porcelain white skins, paler than you typically see among European New Zealanders. Some olive-skinned Mediterranean types usually regarded as “white” are browner than those many bigots and liberals would classify as “non-white”. Such pale-skinned people who spring to mind are Pushtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Baluchi, Iranians, Kurds, the Brahmin and many other peoples of northern India. Even in New Zealand it is becoming harder to distinguish by skin colour those who identify as Maori from those who identify as European.
Fuck it, skin colour is about getting Vitamin D from sunlight. Those who live in cooler climates for millennia become pale skinned, with the notable exception of Eskimo, who get most of their vitamin D from whale, seal, and walrus blubber, which is vitamin D saturated fat. Since Eskimo began adopting Western style diets they are suffering disproportionately from immune-system related diseases. Their brown-yellow skin evolved to filter sunlight and so reduce vitamin D overdoses from the blubber diet.Now that they need vitamin D from sunlight, their skin colour makes this harder to get.
Also, “Wog” has always been a rather vague term of abuse. Its only decades since jokes in the UK included: “the wogs begin at Calais”.
The Dally parole hearing: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10864974
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
David. Kindly refer to Muslim majority countries and not Muslim countries. To say the latter gives the pretext for Muslims to discriminate against everyone else – Hindus, Jews, Christians including Catholics. Religion is not a fix thing but changeable so don’t deny people the opportunity to change codes. There is no such thing as a Muslim country. Recall in history that before 600BC, or when ever the man they call a prophet was born, the religion of peace didn’t exist.
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
I find the outrage expressed and finger pointing here to be quite amusing. Prosser has deliberately written something highly provocative to get noticed. Regrettably it is a very effective method for fringe parties to increase their profile and their vote. And it works. Peters will be quite happy too.
The other thing that amuses me is the indignation that the two main LoC parties seem mute in response to such a provocative article. National might yet have to woo NZF next year
Vote:February 12th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
@Harriet
Your comparisons are specious. It makes little sense to compare countries on such a limited demographic marker.
Israel is not Guyana is not Albania is not Egypt. They’re so wildly different in culture and economic development that the conclusions you are making are meaningless.
Vote:February 13th, 2013 at 6:11 am
gump#
“…..Your comparisons are specious. It makes little sense to compare countries on such a limited demographic marker……Israel is not Guyana is not Albania is not Egypt. They’re so wildly different in culture and economic development that the conclusions you are making are meaningless…..”
Then point to other non-muslim countries who have the same levels of statistics. eg, does Canada, Brazil, Korea & Cuba have indigenous or immigrant minorities who ask for their own law?……widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare?……….hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues?……..some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide?
Nope!
Muslims WON’T intergrate en mass simply because their beliefs conflict with what our democracy produces into law.
Vote:February 13th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Christian masses have integrated ok even though the beliefs of some radical religious remnants conflict with what our democracy produces into law.
Vote:February 13th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Alan,
All three Abrahamic religions are used as means to political ends. In Islam’s case the Muslim brotherhood is responsible for the abuse of women, as such abuse contradicts the teachings of the Quran. In Christianity’s case the political aspect is the Westminster system, and severe abuse can be seen of children by the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches in the case of the Canadian residential school genocide. The political aspect of Judaism is Zionism, with the specific crimes of the Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty being more overt examples of it’s abuse of power.
To describe abuse as an interpretation of kindness stretches the meaning of the interpretation beyond breaking point IMO.
Vote:February 13th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
I really think we need to wait for the response from the diplomatic legation from Wogistan. Perhaps they need our help to join the United Nations, get a loan from the IMF? We also need to make arrangements for the arrival of hundreds of newly alerted tourists from Wogistan, who hope to see what opportunities for a Sharia super state are on offer here. We need to have a live feed from the Wogistan parliament, to see what their leaders think.
We could offer Prosser the job of Ambassador to Wogistan, an upward step from life on the fringes as a list MP. The people of Wogistan are no doubt grateful that finally attention is being paid to their proud nation, which seems very difficult to locate on my Atlas. Could you please send me a sample of their national anthem? I missed them at the Olympics.
I am so pleased one of our most intelligent MPs has finally broken the silence on this mysterious and long searched for country.
Vote:February 13th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Who has the time to read all these posts? We either have free speech or we don’t. And we don’t when it comes to Muslims. End of story.
Vote:February 13th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
So smarty pants Pete. What laws do these funda Christians break denying our democrate procedures. And Muslims do follow democrate procedures … until such time as their votes reaches a tipping point. Tower Hamlet, or other such name, in the UK is one such example
Vote:February 14th, 2013 at 11:26 am
I think that Prosser illustrates what I have believed ever since the election result: most folk who voted NZF actually voted for Winston and had absolutely no idea that he would be bringing in a rag-tag bunch of failed local body politicians and half-wit nobodies with him. Prosser is bad, but he is not the stupidest and is not the worst.
Vote:There are more examples like this.
By the way, I love that on Radio NZ National, he implied to Katherine Ryan that if DPF had not blogged about it, there would not be a fuss. Sigh…