A logic failure

March 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Jo Moir at Stuff reports:

Evelyn Moody went back to work within seven weeks of each of her three children being born.

She had no choice, she said – having children was an expensive business, and she was the primary earner.

“I went back to work when each of my children were between 6 and 7 weeks old, after collecting every kind of leave I could scrape together,” she told MPs hearing submissions on a bill to extend from 14 weeks to 26.

The present provisions were not enough to keep mothers at home, and an extension would go a long way towards easing the financial burden, she told Parliament’s government administration select committee.

Umm, if she went back to work at seven weeks, then extending paid parental leave from 14 to 26 weeks will not have changed her situation in any way.

She should be arguing for paid parental leave to be at a higher level, rather than for it to be longer.

Once fully implemented, an extension of paid parental leave to 26 weeks would cost $145 million a year. That’s money we simply don’t have.

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30 Responses to “A logic failure”

  1. roball (7 comments) says:

    It’s more than likely she took leave during the final stages of her pregnancy.

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  2. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    Can’t have to every which way you want it!

    “Progressive” policies and “equality” demands that women / mothers be out there in the workplace.

    So here we have it.

    The fruits of the progressive equality tree must be paid for by the rest of us. And parliament must decree that!

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  3. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    A logic failure

    I thought this was going to be another thread about Russel’s economic genius.

    Russel Norman: New Zealand’s answer to Karl Fucking Pilkington.

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  4. Griff (7,727 comments) says:

    Logic fail 1
    Why should We pay You. to breed ?

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  5. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    It is in fact a culture fail in that the raising of children is seen as an after thought rather than the prime purpose of life and that a woman’s existence as a little worker ant takes priority over her important place in ensuring our posterity

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  6. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    This shows that paid parental leave is not required. She went back to work after just seven weeks, no problem.

    Why do these people think others should sponsor their life style choices ? The world does not owe them a favour for having a kid. This entitlement mentality needs to stop. You choose to have kids, you pay for them, or do not have them. The same as it works in most places in the world.

    These payouts are not helping kids or families in the long term. They are unaffordable hand outs that those kids will be burdened with.

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  7. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    It is all part of the collectivisation of child raising Kea – designed to separate children from their families as early as possible to be raised in indoctrination centers as good little worker bees without carrying too much of their parents unapproved of cultural values

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  8. Griff (7,727 comments) says:

    As apposed to good little church indoctrinated christ heads who go around bothering the rest of us with pious nonsense.

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  9. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    145 million is not much and we do have that money. Goodness knows how much the Government will have to cough up for solid energy for instance. By extending paid parental leave encourages people to have children then I think that is a good thing. The reality these days is women make up a large part of our workforce now so we must make a good allowance for families.

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  10. Andrei (2,657 comments) says:

    As apposed to good little church indoctrinated christ heads who go around bothering the rest of us with pious nonsense.

    Griff what is it to you if I bring up Orthodox children while Lucia brings up Catholic ones leaving you free to bring up yours in your global warming religion as you please?

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  11. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Wat Dabney @ 11.38 am; Rolled On The Floor Laughing. Good work. You should be writing for Seven Days.

    Women like Evelyn Moody and Sue Moron are the reason there was opposition to women having the vote, probably.

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  12. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Sounds like the Harold ran out of ideas -so here we go again —- ME ME ME —– am entitled.
    Did she expect to get pregnant after a good night’s sex ? – I hope it was.
    Again and again.

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  13. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    After reading the whole story, it invites a few questions about the logic of Ms Moody and Jo Moir. Moody is a public servant of 14 years, so her employer was probably able to cope better than most private SMEs. She planned her children, as evidenced by her scraping as much leave as poss – good for her. If she spent six to seven weeks with the infants before returning to work, she didn’t take full advantge of the paid parental leave period. Why is that? Answer = her husband took leave instead. They had the ken to work out who earned the most and the other took up home duties. It’s not rocket science. If the period was extended to 26 weeks, i presume they would have done the same thing; that she would have returned to work and her husband would have been primary child carer for a longer period. What’s wrong here? As DF says, implicitly she isn’t asking for what Moroney is selling. And the other positive is the child’s dad gets to bond with the infant. A big win for the feminists; i.e a reversal of typical family constructs of the 1950s. And they worked it out for themselves. Some lack of logic to be sure, but not totally stupid.

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  14. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Andrei & Griff, go to your rooms until you learn to play nicely. :)

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  15. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Why does she have 3 children?

    Why should I pay for them?

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  16. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    If mothers stayed at home and did what they were meant to,bring up the children,there’d be a labour shortage and so wages would go up.

    Win ,win.

    (As long as mass immigration is kept out of the equation,so as not to suppress wages,which is of course one of its purposes).

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  17. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Why should I pay for them?

    Because you have been told to and will be forced to comply. NZ is a female dominated society.

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  18. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I got $3.00 a week “Child Allowance” for my two children……. Later raised to $6.00! :)

    I wish these fugley fat arse drones that drop sprogs and want everyone else to pick up the tab would just get educated and earn enough cash so they can pay for their own progeny like we had to back in the easy going sixties!! :)

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  19. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Griff what is it to you if I bring up Orthodox children while Lucia brings up Catholic ones leaving you free to bring up yours in your global warming religion as you please?

    Just so long as you pay for them yourselves.

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  20. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    The bludge had humble origins! :)

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  21. Johnboy (16,597 comments) says:

    I wonder if Francis the First will make it his lifes work to amalgamate the Orthodox and the Roman church?

    He will have to hurry seeing as he is 76! :)

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  22. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    A couple of questions. 1) If she was the primary breadwinner, did that mean there was a non-working father at home? 2) If she was a solo mother, what was wrong with keeping her legs closed. If this was not possible, what about ensuring appropriate contraception measures were taken?

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  23. burt (8,272 comments) says:

    Grizz

    Come now its every woman’s right to be supported by either their employer or the state when they want to have children.

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  24. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    And of course, if these women are in relationships, married or not, their men folk had nothing to do with their child’s conception.

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  25. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    Burt, grizz, read the bloody story.

    Adam Smith, your problem / concern is much bigger than paid parental leave.

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  26. itstricky (1,832 comments) says:

    an extension of paid parental leave to 26 weeks would cost $145 million a year.

    But didn’t we get $160 million out of SE this year? Sound be a piece of cake, Government seems to think so. Just a drop in the $27 billion ocean, right?

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  27. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Why should We pay You. to breed ?

    So there’ll be someone to bring you your tea and wipe your bum in the retirement home, dumbass.

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  28. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Look, I have no truck with the “Baby has to be with Mum or the poor wee mite will suffer lifelong damage”, argument. You’ve got to have time to settle feeding issues then they don’t need you around every minute of the day.

    Four months paid parental leave is the ideal amount. After that then you bang some solids into them – delaying till six months sets them up for food allergies. If you’re not skipping out of the house glad for the opportunity to socialise and be productive by this stage then you’re nuts.

    But on the other hand society does have some vested interest in providing PPL. It puts worth on the role of motherhood and says their contributions in this respect are valuable.

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  29. Feral Kiwi (7 comments) says:

    I too had to return to work earlier than I would have preferred after the births of my children. It was a week or so each time. I accepted that as part and parcel of being the primary earner. I would wager than a vast majority of male primary earners had to do the same.

    Why does Evelyn Moody think it should be different for her? Why does Jo Moir think this is even worth writing about? Should Evelyn Moody be entitled to much longer just because she’s a mun rather than a dad? That’s just entitlementn thinking and sexism.

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  30. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    warren murray says the woman is a public servant so her employer was able to cope better than most private SME’s.

    Her employer is actually us tax payers. The country is broke and borrowing like there’s no tomorrow.

    That’s not “coping”. It’s called having luxuries we can’t afford.

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