You expect misspelling to carry the day in the face of hard facts. So do Griever English Correctors like Collins (the dictionary that is, not Judith).

Indeed, so do all of the Spellinggate fraudsters right through politics, academia, the education system, the legal system and the media.

And guess what?

All too often, it does.

Belief in spelling is immensely powerful. In the face of misspelling, facts to the contrary are merely an inconvenient irritant which can be disregarded at little cost – provided everyone in the group thinks you’ve spelt it the wrong way.

You don’t want my thoughts to be true, so your only recourse is to doubt my spelling.

It doesn’t seem to occur to you to ask, “Why wouldn’t he look that up in a dictionary if he knows it not to be not true? – is there a reason?”

I have other ways I could be earning a living so why would I be going to so much trouble misspelling words and making myself unpopular with a whole bunch of angry people (and quite probably unemployable)?

More likely, don’t you think, that I am genuine in my attempt to spell?

I ask you to think about that.

Good thing I hadn’t decided which bucket to throw this thread into just yet. Still it could turn out to be either ‘loonies’ or ‘loonies with a slight religious bent’

How’s the phamplet drop going?

I hardly think it’s a series of coincidences, especially when the perpetrators inhabit institutions – be they maraes or universities or political parties – who meet each other regularly to discuss these things.

It’s fairly clear that it’s a concerted, coordinated process by those who share the same vision of a Maorified Aotearoa.

But of course, all those who see conspiracies are nutters in your view, aren’t they?

But as doctor of conspiracy Matthew Dentith will tell you, some conspiracies are valid, while others aren’t.

(In Matthew’s view, the conspiracies that socialists like him believe all tend to be valid, while those of his political opponents tend not to be.)

I don’t think conspiracy is a dirty word – just an overused one.

Nothing conspiratorial then.

You expect emotion to carry the day in the face of hard facts. So do Griever Maori like Willie.

Indeed, so do all of the Treatygate fraudsters right through politics, academia, the education system, the legal system and the media.

And guess what?

All too often, it does.

Emotion – belief – is immensely powerful. In the face of belief (what you want to believe), facts to the contrary are merely an inconvenient irritant which can be disregarded at little cost – provided the groupthink is strong enough.

You don’t want my facts to be true, so your only recourse is to doubt my integrity.

It doesn’t seem to occur to you to ask, “Why would he waste his time and cost himself everything in order to peddle a line that he knows is not true?”

I have other ways I could be earning a living – much more pleasurable ways – so why would I be going to so much trouble just to tell lies and make myself unpopular with a whole bunch of angry people (and quite probably unemployable)?

More likely, don’t you think, that I am genuine in wanting to expose lies, not tell them?

I ask you to think about that.

You’re right -: I can’t proclaim to have the knowledge of history that you have. I can’t proclaim, therefore, to know how much of it is of your own making and, therefore, how much of it is “the truth” which is a disadvantage to me. In this case, however, knowledge is not the only power. And in answering to your claims I would actually be accidentally assisting you, just as I did above.

Did I say – go with the phamplet drop? The public will be so engrossed, they won’t be able to put it down. It’s a great idea.

I have no idea what you mean by “giving them ideas”. Thanks, but we prefer to use our own.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1t45/te-kooti-arikirangi-te-turuki

Te Kooti struck at Matawhero in the early hours of 10 November 1868. About 54 people were killed, including Biggs. More than 20 were Maori. Te Kooti subsequently ordered the execution of some prisoners, including women and children, followed by the singing of Psalm 63. He seized Pa-tutahi from where his patrols swept through the district, capturing supplies and 300 Maori prisoners.”

I did read the full account on Te Kooti published by NZ History while it does mention Matawhero there is no metion of the Mohaka massacre, nor any real detail of his exploits, the history is whitewashed. The overall impression given of Te Kooti is one of a great Maori leader rather than a ruthless murderer. I did not post the details in the previous post to paint Maori in a bad light as you suggest but to provide some balance.
Please don’t include Moriori in your list though they were peaceful and virtually wiped out by Wiilie’s ancestors Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga.
I too would love to move forward and have a society in NZ where everyone is equal under the law and our taxes are spent
based on need not race.

Then go and find one about Pakeha rampaging through communities of innocent Maori shooting, tomahawking, torturing, cooking and eating men, women and children.

You’ll find that you won’t be able to.

You will then have come face to face with the reality that only Maori did those things. That will of course upset your rosy bicultural worldview, and I’m sorry about that.

Then you might like to re-examine your conclusion about why NZ History did not want to mention the Matawhero massacre. You might realise that you got it right first time.

I’m sorry you find the truth about nineteenth century Maori society hurtful. I find people who tell lies about my forebears hurtful too – especially when they want my money for wrongs which were not done (or were not wrong).

Believe me, if modern Griever Maori weren’t making such a killing telling lies about their forebears and mine, I wouldn’t be forced to tell these awful truths.

But they are. Any frankly, they deserve all the pushback they’re getting.

I quite agree with you that we should let bygones be bygones and move forward as one united country.

But the thugs and extortionists who run Maoridom today – to say nothing of their weak Pakeha appeasers – don’t seem to agree with us.

Tamihere was there with his too.

I didn’t know Jaclson’s son went to King’s or that he’s living in Lange’s house – do you mean the big family home or the one he and Naomi lived in – with the mural of Rangitoto on the fence?

I wasn’t meaning a flyer in the letterbox, I was meaning a fat book of facts – sorry I should have said that.

I don’t think there’s any point making a doco on the off-chance that TV One or 3 might suddenly abandon its bias and run it. No chance, I’d say.

As regards no one turning up to meetings in halls, don’t believe what Willie said – they’re turning up all right. Audiences of 100-300 are good in this day and age – better than most politicians get.

And we’ve been getting those without any real advertising – just word of mouth and emails.

Our core market is retired people and blue collar guys.

The kids have been brainwashed or are too scared to stand out from the crowd.

Women don’t like confrontation, so prefer to support us silently.

The blue collar guys are not scared to say what’s on their minds, but they’re generally too busy earning a buck to join clubs and listen to speakers.

But there are hundreds of Probus, U3A, Rotary and Lions clubs, and Grey Power are a major force to be reckoned with.

All are supportive of racial equality, and many are keen to hear what we have to say. Dr Tom Johnson has been speaking to a few clubs in Hawkes Bay already, and we’ll be doing a lot more of this.

Good God. Now I’m giving them ideas. Time to exit, stage left.

Yet this page here, written by exactly the same authors, tells the story exactly as you did:

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1t45/te-kooti-arikirangi-te-turuki

Te Kooti struck at Matawhero in the early hours of 10 November 1868. About 54 people were killed, including Biggs. More than 20 were Maori. Te Kooti subsequently ordered the execution of some prisoners, including women and children, followed by the singing of Psalm 63. He seized Pa-tutahi from where his patrols swept through the district, capturing supplies and 300 Maori prisoners.

I imagine there is a very good reason it is not listed on the sister site NZ history. I don’t imagine that reason is a national conspriacy ranking up there with the moon landings.

I’d say the reason you are so obsessed about it, and the reason John keeps going on about it is because you want to paint Maori in a bad light. Again, not directly racist, just pushing around the boundaries to try to start a fight and get the publicity for your faux crusade and your redneck followers. Times were brutal then and everyone slaughtered everyone else, all sides equally guilty – Pakeha, Maori or Moriori. It doesn’t matter – life must carry on – and so must we – bringing it up for the sake of trying to push you own agenda is hurtful – get over it and let everyone move forward

Any ad campaign you put together is possibly going to be vetoed by the TV networks or watered down so I’m not sure about that either. What are your thoughts on that, as an ad man?

At the end of the day, I don’t know whether you can beat the old television programme – where the viewer can see the whites of your eyes as it were, and follow your narrative if it’s done in a properly thought out, well edited fashion. It’s that or hiring halls and going round the country but the problem there is nobody’s going to turn up because nobody wants to be a social pariah. It would be the same if you made a film; nobody would dare to be seen in public going along.

Mainstream television is still the best tool for you to get to the majority of apathetic, middle of the road NZers. It’s anonymous and still the best platform to really formulate your ideas and arguments; where they can be stripped down to the nitty gritty. Driving people to a website where there are just words ain’t enough. People haven’t got the time and they generally can’t be bothered.

Next time you debate with Willie Jackson, remember his Achille’s Heel is sending his son to Kings, living in David Lange’s old house and that massive 4WD. He’s the worst kind of hypocrite – a former union boss. They always do well. Tamihere always gives him shit about it and he always changes the subject really quickly!

So why wasn’t he interested, Randy? Could it be that he didn’t like being challenged on the facts when I rang their Waitangi Day show?

Could it be that he didn’t like being challenged on his absurd view that the Taranaki annihilation of the Moriori was really all the white man’s fault because the captain of the ship they hired (actually hijacked) was white?

This to me showed the desperation of Tamihere. Until he said that I thought he was a whole lot more knowledgeable than Jackson.

(Well, actually, he is, as it’s impossible to be less knowledgeable than Willie.)

But to advance that argument is just insane. For one thing, the ship was hijacked, not hired. For another, even if the captain was a willing transporter, how does that implicate him in the deaths of 1500 Moriori? Did he know his passengers were bent on mass murder?

And even if he did, how does one man’s collaboration mean that his entire race were equally culpable?

More to the point, how does that screwy logic allow Tamihere to absolve the Taranaki murderers of responsibility for one of the worst per capita genocides in the history of mankind?

I suggest that if Tamihere appeared uninterested in debating me, it was because he knew he was in for more of the same. And he did not want to be drubbed on the details in front of his mate and his supporters.

Unlike his ignorant accomplice, JT can speak knowledgeably on New Zealand history.

About half of it.

“1866 Te Kooti imprisoned without trial
During 1865 and 1866, with the rise of the Pai Mārire movement, the government arrested people thought to be aiding the so-called rebels. Te Kooti Rikirangi of Poverty Bay was one of these. He was sent to the Chatham Islands, and his pleas for a trial were ignored. On 4 July 1868, Te Kooti and many followers escaped. They were subsequently pursued on the East Coast and in the Urewera and the Taupō districts. From 1868, the government began to charge individuals with crimes such as murder or treason, but Te Kooti escaped the pursuing forces and was pardoned in 1883. He founded the Ringatū Church and provided it with rituals and structures that last to this day.”

Yes Te Kooti was arrested for aiding the “so called?” Hauhau rebels. Yes he was exiled to the Chathams. ( Consider the punishment by way of contrast dished out to Karl Volkner, who the Hauhaus accused of spying, hung, beheaded, eyes eaten and his blood drunk)
So what did Te Kooti do when he escaped from the Chathams? He joined the Hauhaus and went on a murderous campaign against the Government the Settlers and friendly native tribes. Over 200 friendly Maori and white settlers (woman and children included) were murdered at Mohaka alone, including the Lavin children who it is reported were thrown in the air and implaled on bayonets. Te Kooti and his Tuhoe and Whakatahea allies continued their campaign of terror for 3 more years chased around the Ureweras by Government and loyal Arawa and Ngati Porou troops, before escaping to the King Country. Many hundreds died as a direct result of Te Kooti’s campaign.
Now tell me that the NZ History description above isn’t totally biased.

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/meet-the-nzhistory-team

Have deliberately presented biased information to continue a rort that was started in the 1900′s and successive Governments, of different flavours, have allowed it to continue? And none of these previous Governments, their leaders, or many highly regarded historians, peace makers and representatives of the Maori culture knew about this because they were deliberately (and collectively) hiding it or were just to dumb to notice it was happening. And what’s more, you know more about this than any of these (qualified and experienced) people who have spent many many man hours in treaty negotiations over the years?

I hope those people at NZ History haven’t also doctured their reports about the Anzacs, the Vietnam war, the Christchurch quakes etc… It’s suddenly dawned on me that Germany won the war, the Christchurch earthquakes were man-made and the whole Vietnam war was filmed in a Hollywood studio. If only I had known. I must go now and ring Investigate magazine.