Don’t lie to Israeli immigration

March 17th, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Bevan Hurley at HoS reports:

A peace activist was detained for 48 hours before being sent back to New Zealand for trying to enter on a tourist visa.

The point being she was not a tourist and lied.

, 26, was held at Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv on February 26. She tried to enter the country for a three-month voluntary internship at a non-government organisation promoting peace.

Thomson said the Israel Palestinian Centre for Research and Information told her she should claim to be a tourist.

Well that says a lot about them.

Israel, of all countries, has every reason to be vigilant about who can enter their country. Lying is a bad way to get in.

Suspicions were raised when Israeli immigration authorities saw she had recently visited Lebanon, which is in ongoing conflict with Israel.

Ha, I had just come from Iran when I entered Israel and had also been to Kuwait, Egypt and Turkey. so I also got a lengthy interrogation. I didn’t mind so much as she was cute :-)

Thomson was questioned for eight hours about her visit to Israel, who she knew, and her intentions.

During which time she lied. They can spot liars. And how stupid is this – Her Linked In profile refers to her intended internship.

One interrogator mockingly congratulated her for winning a $500 prize for an essay she had written on Iranian politics which appeared on the Massey University website.

Oh my God – Mossad know how to use Google. The fiends.

“I felt humiliated and ashamed. Eventually it seemed to me that he had found something out and knew that I had lied about something.”

Exhausted, after a 24 hour flight and 12 hours questioning, Thomson admitted that she was to work for a non-governmental organisation.

Should have said that from the beginning, and applied for the correct visa.

She said she regretted not being honest but it was a valuable experience.

“I know what it’s like for the Palestinians to deal with what they deal with every single day.”

Oh Good God.

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46 Responses to “Don’t lie to Israeli immigration”

  1. kowtow (8,314 comments) says:

    At least they deported her.

    Here we turn illegal immigrants (even ones with criminal convictions)into media celebrities and let the rest of the family in too.

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  2. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Here we turn illegal immigrants (even ones with criminal convictions)into media celebrities and let the rest of the family in too.

    That’s because lies are not lies in the land of the “long pwogwessive crowd”.

    You can’t judge!!!

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  3. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    First of all, they’re **NOT** “Palestinians”. They are ARABS.

    The Fakestinians keep trying to claim that they are descendants of the Philistines – they are not. The Philistines were a sea-going people from Crete and the Aegean islands. There is *no connection* between them and today’s Arabs passing themselves off as “Palestinians”.

    What’s more, the Arabs only arrived in what is now Israel around 638AD (when Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem). The Jews had already been in the area for *thousands of years*.

    Bloody naive, ignorant bint.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,290 comments) says:

    So lying “for the cause” is acceptable behaviour as far as this woman is concerned? That kind of pulls the moral high ground rug out from underneath her, doesn’t it…

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  5. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    The Jews had already been in the area for *thousands of years*.

    Except for the bit when the Romans kicked them out.

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  6. PaulL (5,965 comments) says:

    My parents were here longer than yours. Yup, great way to run a peace process. Or any process at all.

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  7. Kea (12,357 comments) says:

    thor42, The Jews can not make exclusive claim to that region any more than Christians or Muslims can. Not unless you are stupid enough to take the religious fairy tales literally. It is beyond belief than a 5th generation Russian or Pom can have more claim to the region than someone born and bred there, all on the basis of a pack of religious nonsense.

    Having said that, the Arabs have lost the plot and I support Israel, while acknowledging it never should have been created. I also have no time for the types of activists mentioned in Davids post. The problem was created by meddling “activists” in the first place.

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  8. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    Typical NZ Green Party hack.
    Alright to lie, if it suits you.
    Cannot expect any more.
    Usual middle, class white, well educated, chardonney drinker, who believes that she is above the law – as a Greenie she must be right.
    Pity she did not do a jail sentence for immigration lying.
    But, she gets the publicity she wants.

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  9. Michael (904 comments) says:

    She has been deported from Israel for immigration fraud. Now she has to tick that box on every immigration form she fills out and will get the same scrutiny at every border crossing. Good luck with your future travels, Amy!

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  10. kowtow (8,314 comments) says:

    gazzmaniac

    Jews never completly left the region.

    That’s how there was a community of Jews for the Arabs to massacre in Hebron in 1929.

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  11. Kimble (4,432 comments) says:

    thor42, The Jews can not make exclusive claim to that region any more than Christians or Muslims can.

    But what about the Israelis?

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  12. Kea (12,357 comments) says:

    Kimble, same story. The Israelis were invented a few years back. Take away the religious nonsense and you have a bunch of people who hark back to a common region. This should surprise no one, as it is one of the oldest occupied areas on earth. Maybe the oldest, after Africa. We could all lay claim to a “homeland” there. But it is not based on that. The claim is based on religious lies and bugger all else.

    The West has created more problems than it has solved in the region. We need to keep our noses out entirely.

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  13. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Can we deport her to Cuba?

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  14. Kea (12,357 comments) says:

    Manolo, North Korea has the sort of equal society her type craves. Send the bitch there.

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  15. PaulL (5,965 comments) says:

    @Kimble. Given that something like 40% of Israelis are Arab, I’d guess the Israelis have a pretty strong claim to their country. :-)

    As Kea says, we have a bunch of people with a very strong common set of ancestors, and 3 major monotheistic religions that even recognise most of the same holy book. And we’re trying to draw lines between them and decide which ones own the area. It’s a bit pointless, they all have some level of claim, and the strength of that claim seems to depend more on which side of the argument you sit on than any real facts that prove anything beyond doubt.

    Until that region agrees that religion has nothing to do with countries, and that a country is defined by a border, and a set of people who live within that border and vote on what they want to happen within their country, they are screwed. If they could agree on those two things, then the only thing left to do is to work out whether any of the borders need to be changed so as to create groups of people with some level of common interest. Or we could just agree that the borders stay as they are, anyone who doesn’t like the border they’re within can move to another place (if that place is happy to accept them, as voted by those currently within the borders of that place), and a percentage of the current massive oil revenues of the region will be put aside to compensate those legitimately wronged by all this process.

    No hope of my solution being picked any time soon, we need most of the region to convert into democracies first.

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  16. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    This poor girl. A student of the infamous Nigel Parsons at Massey University.

    Dr Parsons who has a picture of Arafat on his wall, and praises Palestinian efforts to block peace.

    She never had a hope, did she.

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  17. OneTrack (3,017 comments) says:

    And now, three weeks later, she has a cry to the media about how the Israelis are just “meanies”. It sounds like “Peace Activist” is code for “support whatever the Palestinians want”.

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  18. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    We havn’t heard from Luc for a while, perhaps he made it through.

    Peace Activist code for – anti -Israel

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  19. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    It is true that not all the Jews left Judea after the failed rebellion against Rome. A small population was left behind and it grew to the hundreds of thousands again by about 1000AD. However they were then all but wiped out a second time by the Christian Crusaders. Only a few thousand survived that genocide. Later after the Spanish expelled all Jews in 1492 the Ottoman Empire welcomed the refugees to settle in their lands. Some settled in what used to be Judea and lived side by side with Arabs and the small community of Jews who survived the Crusades.

    Eastern European Jews, confined to the Pale of Settlement in Russia, began talking widely of returning to Israel in the mid-1800s. It remained mostly talk until 1881 when the new Tsar Alexander III of Russia began a massive persecution of Jews, who he scapegoated for the assassination of his father, with the aim that, “one third will die out, one third will leave the country and one third will be completely dissolved in the surrounding population.”

    Many Jews did in fact leave Russia, settling primarily in the USA, Canada and UK. However about 1 in 10 of the emigrants settled in Ottoman controlled Palestine, almost exclusively for strong religious reasons. The Zionist movement was initially led by Leo Pinkster, who thought a Jewish homeland needed to be created but should be placed in some neutral territory like Canada. He didn’t think location was important, only that Jews has some place to call home. However, the only way he could get support for his movement was from religious circles, who insisted the homeland had to be Palestine.

    Thus began a series of Aliyah, or religious emigrations, to Palestine by mainly Russian Jews. The numbers were very small at first and they faced pogroms and disease in Palestine, so bad that many gave up and went to the US or back to Russia. After the British took control of the territory numbers increased. But what made the real difference was the US passing immigration restrictions in 1924 that barred most Jews from entry. Suddenly Palestine was their prime destination. That’s why riots and pogroms erupted in 1929, the sudden and massive increase in unrestricted Jewish settlement. Once the Nazis took power the numbers of immigrants doubled and Britain, pushed by Arabs, closed Palestine to Jewish migrants just before the Holocaust began.

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  20. peterwn (3,242 comments) says:

    A Kiwi is not guaranteed entry to UK or many other places.If you turn up at Heathrow with no return/ onward ticket, no idea of where you are going to stay, no clue as to what you plan to do, etc, you will be on the next plane out – and it has happened. Real tourists have some idea of what they plan to do and see – and it shows through.

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  21. Komata (1,175 comments) says:

    Re: “I know what it’s like for the Palestinians to deal with what they deal with every single day.”

    As those who have had experience with such peoples will have noticed, the ‘honesty level’ of the average Arab is not exactly high, so yes, by lying she has indeed discovered “… What it’s like for the Palestinians to deal with what they deal with every single day.”

    ‘You tell the lies, you get caught, no lies, no problem’.

    Because she was ‘interrogated’ by those howwible Israelis, she is of course now a ‘Martyr to the cause’ of Palestinian statehood and she’ll dine-out on that for years (and probably become more iobnixious as she gets older, as a result of her ‘tewwible experience’)

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  22. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Peace Activist code for – anti -Israel

    Yeah, because those Israelis are such peaceful people.

    In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.
    Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by “anti-Semites”.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

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  23. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    I’m struggling to see how this was such a ‘nightmare’? All they did was detain her and ask her a few questions (after she tried to enter their country under false pretence) then send her home. Would that not happen at ANY airport in the World if you got caught out lying your sorry arse off?
    As for 48 hours- Christ I’ve slept in Airports for that long waiting for delayed flights…

    New Zealanders need to learn that they don’t have some divine right to waltz around the World smugly doing as they please in the name of ‘Activism’

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  24. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @UglyTruth – “Yeah, because those Israelis are such peaceful people.”

    They are indeed, compared to the Muslims.
    Take Timur, for instance –
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

    “Timur’s armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe, sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population. ”

    “Nice guy”, ay, and all he was doing was following Islam to the letter.

    Can you point to any comparable savagery carried out in the name of Judaism?

    Sure, Israel and the Jews aren’t perfect, but Israel is in the toughest, nastiest neighbourhood in the world. If they behaved like Switzerland, they would have been destroyed long ago. It’s that simple.

    I notice that you don’t mention any of the atrocities carried out by the Fakestinians, UglyTruth. They are by FAR the evil party in the conflict over there. It is THEY who teach their children to hate Jews. It is THEY who have children’s TV programs that brainwash their young to kill Jews and become “martyrs”. Can you point to any even remotely-similar savage brainwashing of children by the Jews?

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  25. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I notice that you don’t mention any of the atrocities carried out by the Fakestinians, UglyTruth. They are by FAR the evil party in the conflict over there. It is THEY who teach their children to hate Jews.

    Your prejudice is exceeded only by your ignorance.

    Many of the Palestinian people were Jewish, but they converted to Islam in order to retain possession of their land.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOolCRSf74I

    Islam and Judaism are relatively compatible religions.

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  26. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Note that he Arabs are now a majority in Israeli controlled territory, inclusive of Gaza, which Israel has de facto control of.

    South Africa all over again.

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  27. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Gaza? Israeli Controlled? You better tell Hamas quickly, they disagree with you

    http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/hamas-say-gaza-no-longer-occupied-un.html

    However if you’re interested in Apartheid, have a look at the PA policies. No Jews allowed to live there. Your (and Keith Locke’s) mates there

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  28. duggledog (1,528 comments) says:

    Choose a side Amy. Then marry a Palestinian and go live there. I give you precisely one month

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  29. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay:

    We havn’t heard from Luc for a while, perhaps he made it through….

    I doubt it. By showing the lying Gweenie the door, it confirms the Israelis have standards….

    PS: If you heard an anguished “Nooooooooooooooo” a few minutes ago, it was from me – and from several time zones away. Your first 8 words were really not nice. Jeez, PEB. Talk about tempting fate…. :(

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  30. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Can you point to any even remotely-similar savage brainwashing of children by the Jews?

    Yes. I can.

    Many Jewish children all over the world are taught not to trust non Jews, the basic idea being that the rest of us are only a hair’s breadth away from rounding them all up and exterminating them. This might have made sense in various places at various times, but it is nonsense when applied to countries like New Zealand or the US, and it completely poisons politics. You can’t reason with people who are convinced of this sort of thing. It’s a short step from this belief to believing that you are justified in doing anything in response to any perceived threat, no matter how plausible that threat is.

    It’s this underlying attitude that makes Israel possible. Problem is, it’s nuts.

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  31. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Gaza? Israeli Controlled? You better tell Hamas quickly, they disagree with you

    Don’t be a moron, Tim. Israel controls the borders and airspace, and assassinates Gazans at will. It’s an open prison in all but name.

    If you want to support the current states of affairs in Israel, fine. In thirty years you’re going to look just like the racists that supported apartheid in Sought Africa.

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  32. Psycho Milt (2,410 comments) says:

    First of all, they’re **NOT** “Palestinians”. They are ARABS.

    Only if Whitey in NZ are **NOT** “New Zealanders,” they are EUROPEANS.

    So lying “for the cause” is acceptable behaviour as far as this woman is concerned?

    It’s been acceptable behaviour for no end of New Zealanders entering the UK with the intention of working, so she’s not exactly unusual in her willingness to lie to immigration officers.

    “I know what it’s like for the Palestinians to deal with what they deal with every single day.”

    Is there any life form more up itself than an activist in their 20s? Lady, you got interrogated by immigration officials and sent on a plane ride to NZ – the average Palestinian would probably look on that as a substantial improvement over their typical day.

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  33. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson@3.26

    First he suggests that he can prove it. But he gives zero evidence. Nothing.

    Many Jewish children all over the world are taught not to trust non Jews

    Apparently it is some secret Jewish education conspiracy.

    Mr Jackson, have you ever been involved in Jewish education? Been inside a Jewish school? No. You haven’t
    I have, and I can guarantee you that all you have said is nothing but a fabrication. A fabrication to discredit Jews.
    There is no mainstream Jewish education that would follow this. Quite the opposite.

    A very nasty accusation, with no proof.

    One wonders at your motivation that you have to tell such lies.

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  34. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The temerity of the woman, thinking Israel would allow her to promote peace!

    She should have told Immigration that she intended to kill dozens of Palestinians and she would’ve been welcomed with open arms.

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  35. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    If you want to support the current states of affairs in Israel, fine. In thirty years you’re going to look just like the racists that supported apartheid in South Africa.

    DPF is certainly on the wrong side of history on this issue. A bit like MPs voting against gay marriage.

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  36. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson 3.33pm

    Don’t be a moron, Tim.
    Usually a bad start when one has to resort to personal attacks to make a point.

    Israel controls the borders

    Not very well, with all the munitions from Iran crossing through.

    and airspace
    Also, a bit of a failure there, with all those Gazan rockets. Especially the Gazan rockets that kill their own children.

    and assassinates Gazans at will.
    Hardly anywhere near as effective in the assassinations by Hamas of their own people. You support those killings then?
    More soon, you’ll see

    It’s an open prison in all but name.
    True, only thanks to Hamas. Your mates.

    If you want to support the current states of affairs in Israel, fine. In thirty years you’re going to look just like the racists that supported apartheid in Sought Africa.

    Millions of Jewish refugees from Arab nations have shown that whilst they may not be perfect, the alternatives are far far worse. Any complaints from you about Syria, Egypt or Iran lately?

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  37. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    DPF is certainly on the wrong side of history on this issue. A bit like MPs voting against gay marriage.

    Your side of history sees medieval treatment of Jews in Arab nations. I think DPF is smart enough to know the right side of history

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  38. Grant Michael McKenna (1,159 comments) says:

    If being interrogated for lying is compatible to the experiences of the Palestinians, does this mean that she thinks that the Palestinians are liars?

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  39. Lance (2,634 comments) says:

    I call bullshit on Tom Jackson’s made up drivel

    “Many Jewish children all over the world are taught not to trust non Jews, the basic idea being that the rest of us are only a hair’s breadth away from rounding them all up and exterminating them”

    Go ahead, make more shit up. Reveal who you really are deep down.

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  40. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Yes it was pretty disgusting, wasn’t it…..

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  41. wrightingright (143 comments) says:

    “Thomson was banned from Israel for 10 years.”

    Good! Israel doesn’t need such useless trouble stirrers there, oh oops… I’m sorry, I mean “peace activists”! Yeah right.

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  42. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Israel doesn’t need such useless trouble stirrers there

    LOL

    A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

    In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy’s inquiry to “conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

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  43. scrubone (3,094 comments) says:

    I call bullshit on Tom Jackson’s made up drivel
    Many Jewish children all over the world are taught not to trust non Jews

    Actually, it’s not (and my pro-Israel position is well documented).

    I have friends who have spent time in a Jewish area of an Australian city, and this is pretty much what they said – they simply do not trust outsiders.

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  44. Yoza (1,808 comments) says:

    Lance (1,779) Says:
    March 17th, 2013 at 8:00 pm:
    “I call bullshit on Tom Jackson’s made up drivel

    “Many Jewish children all over the world are taught not to trust non Jews, the basic idea being that the rest of us are only a hair’s breadth away from rounding them all up and exterminating them”

    Go ahead, make more shit up. Reveal who you really are deep down.”

    There is a consistent narrative on most pro-Israel sites about Jews being perennial victims, usually used as a justification for the ongoing atrocities committed by the state of Israel against the indigenous Palestinian people. The idea that all Jews are required to support Israeli crimes against humanity as some kind of innate right of passage is probably the greatest piece of nonsense espoused by pro-Israeli PR campaigns and regurgitated constantly through the main stream media.

    The sheer idiocy of statements about Hamas preparing to drive the Jews into the sea is laughable when considering the poorly funded nature of that group going up against a US funded regional military superpower, as is the bed-wetting rhetoric the corporate media indulges in when referring to Iran’s intentions being to “Wipe Israel off the map.” The Iranians, Hamas, Hezbollah, The Israeli state and US intelligence understand completely that such ideas are utterly ridiculous and only exist to feed the demented fantasies of those Western white supremacists who reflexively support the idea of Europeans being allowed to invent countries where ever they please while ethnically cleansing it of the native population.

    The very fact that Israeli border officials are so terrified of a 26 year old female peace activist entering their country they need to deport her back here only serves to reinforce the notion that the apartheid state of Israel is waging a losing propaganda campaign. Like the apartheid state of South Africa before it; the apartheid state of Israel will be wiped from the face of history once the US decides, in a cost/benefit appraisal of its support for that racist entity, it’s not worth the expense.

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  45. spector (180 comments) says:

    “Islam and Judaism are relatively compatible religions.”

    No where near as compatible as the Catholics and the Anglicans, and they don’t really have a great history of getting along. The Mongrel Mob and Black Power seem to be exactly the same and they can’t get along that great either. Hell, The Chiefs and The Blues even swap players but you’ll still never see me supporting those dirty Aucklanders!

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  46. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    No where near as compatible as the Catholics and the Anglicans

    The split between the Church of England and the papacy was over political power, not religious dogma.

    The Quran endorses Judaism when it speaks of the people of the book, And the Tanak endorses the people of Islam when it speaks of making Ishmael a great nation.

    Both Judaism and Islam are ethical systems which have the same philosophical base as English common law.

    Christianity, on the other hand, has the central belief that a just and compassionate deity was responsible for an innocent man being tortured to death. Institutional Catholic and Anglican religion has been responsible for some of the most depraved activity on the planet, including the ritual torture of children.

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