Eddie on Labour’s factions

March 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Eddie” at The Standard asserts there are three broad factions in the caucus. S/he divides them up as:

The Right (nine MPs)
David Shearer (leader)
Phil Goff
Annette King
David Parker
Clayton Cosgrove
Shane Jones
Damien O’Connor
Kris Fa’afoi
Ross Robertson

The Left (14 MPs)
David Cunliffe (leader)
Nanaia Mahuta
Louisa Wall
Sue Moroney
Su’a William Sio
Lianne Dalziel
Parekura Horomia
Rajen Prasad
Rino Tirikatene
Carol Beaumont
Raymond Huo
Moana Mackey
Iain Lees-Galloway
Andrew Little

The Careerist Left (11 MPs)
Grant Robertson (leader)
Chris Hipkins
Jacinda Ardern
Phil Twyford
Clare Curran
Maryan Street
David Clark
Trevor Mallard
Darien Fenton
Megan Woods
Ruth Dyson

It is the last faction that Eddie says holds the balance of power. S/he notes:

Of the 11 MPs in the Careerist Left, 7 are former parliamentary staffers. This group has some good people but there’s a strong thread of personal advancement running through it, which is why they’ve brokered a deal with the Right. Robertson is wary of the ‘Left’ faction, because he doesn’t think he’ll do as well out of a deal with Cunliffe.

Seven former staffers – the new professional elite. Have any of them ever spent a day in the private sector generating wealth?

I think what we are looking at is a Cunliffe v Robertson battle for the leadership, if Labour do not win the next election. The left vs the careerist left. Who will win? No idea. Who will lose? New Zealand :-)

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36 Responses to “Eddie on Labour’s factions”

  1. Brad (75 comments) says:

    Good to see you place so much faith in Eddie and his Labour ‘sources’. The same Eddie who is consistently wrong, his most recent failures being claiming that Shearer will call a membership-wide vote and will ‘punish’ Cunliffe by giving him health in the reshuffle. Wrong then, most likely wrong now

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  2. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    Yes, ‘Eddie’ is often wrong, but he has stirred up some interesting insights. And not just him, Chris Trotter started with the faction fiction in The Daily Blog a few days earlier – “Labour’s three factions” and talk of coups.

    And a summary of some of the infighting so far: The Standard – Labour faction fight.

    Labour leadership still shows no sign of recognising their deepseated problems, until they do that and address them their non-rebuilding will continue.

    While Cunliffe has more ability than Robertson he also has the most enemies within, it’s difficult to see him becoming leader without major changes in MP personal after the next election.

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  3. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    I wanted to say something like “That’s interesting, but/and/because…..

    But I’ve got nothing :-P

    I agree they need some reasonably high calibre business guys in there, to shake off the impression that Labour and the left in general is better than just an amorphous zone of political dreamers and theorists. I’m not very hopeful at the moment.

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  4. La Grand Fromage (145 comments) says:

    Eddie is a Cunliffe stooge and his preposterous “word on the street” bullshit is a not so cunning way of slipping meth into the medication of the retards on the Standard who think Cunliffe is Jesus.

    Why anyone would take seriously the musings of some annonymous fucktard interviewing their own ring piece is beyond me.

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  5. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    It will be a very enjoyable spectacle to see the socialists fighting each other.
    Whatever distracts the comrades from getting traction and gaining power can only be good for our country.

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  6. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    “in the private sector generating wealth?”

    Stay away from that fallacy Dave. Everyone who provides something others need generates wealth, even politicians and public servants.

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  7. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    lol when i think “the right” i think:

    The Right (nine MPs)
    David Shearer (leader)
    Phil Goff
    Annette King
    David Parker
    Clayton Cosgrove
    Shane Jones
    Damien O’Connor
    Kris Fa’afoi
    Ross Robertson

    (waits for redbaiter to say “of course you do blah blah blah”)

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  8. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Have any of them ever spent a day in the private sector generating wealth?

    Of course not. They are all what can be most accurately be described as Jim Jones Labourites. They are solely there to vote for every piece of socially and economically suicidal policy framework that’s presented to them.

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  9. mikemikemikemike (325 comments) says:

    Out if that entire list, I can’t see more than two I’d consider a vote for. The rest would fuck this country up so badly it really hurts thinking about it.

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  10. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    The current ‘Eddie’ is a devious political bullshit artist, a tryhard with little success, but his faction stirring posts draw out some very interesting insider comment.

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  11. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    tom jackson

    that’s the problem with modern politicians ,they provide wants rather than needs.

    And to do it they take from hardworking earners and give to wasters.

    That’s not wealth generation ,it’s theft.

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  12. somewhatthoughtful (465 comments) says:

    Now now Pete, you’re hardly one who is on sure footing while calling others “political bullshit artist[s]“.

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  13. joe bloggs (126 comments) says:

    Pete George @ 9:30 am
    The current ‘Eddie’ is a devious political bullshit artist, a tryhard with little success,

    Sorry Pete, can you be a little more specific – you’ve just described the entire Labour caucus and 90% of the posters at Lyn Prentice’s Hate Blog

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  14. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    joe bloggs – yes, a symptom of a bigger problem.

    somewhatthoughtful – I stand by most of what I say (an exception is when taking the piss), and can and do back it up with more evidence than most are willing to front up with. Do you have any evidence to back up your accusation?

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  15. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    You left out the most powerful left wing faction- The National Party.

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  16. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (373) Says:
    March 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    “in the private sector generating wealth?”

    Stay away from that fallacy Dave. Everyone who provides something others need generates wealth, even politicians and public servants.
    =—————————

    You mean like Santa Claus and Tinkerbell. Showering us all with gifts made from other peoples money.

    Most of us know the truth about Santa. Haven’t you heard it yet?

    I have some Fairy Dust to sell if you would like a sack full.

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  17. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    I think the most interesting thing is watching the facade of ‘togetherness’ fall apart from the ferals who inhabit the labour party as they scramble in the most public and undignified way possible to cling on to power.

    Watching Shearer stumble his way through the dropping of GST on fruit and vege last night was almost train wreck TV in all its glory. He is setting about cutting their worst excesses (promises) back, and Robertson must be rubbing his hands with glee. Someone else is doing the dirty work, and then they can step on his corpse when its finished…

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  18. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Pete George at 10:09 – You never did back up your claims of a supposed “rape culture” in New Zealand with any evidence, other than the so-called “evidence” of (1) a blog piece written by Queen of Thorns (a feminist blogging under a pseudonym, and we all know that you generally don’t trust people posting under a pseudonym), and (2) the reactions of people on this site who called you out.

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  19. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    graham, there is a rape culture in New Zealand, and I don’t think we should be afraid of questioning whether that is supported by wider societal attitudes and actions (and inactions) or not. But that’s getting too far off topic to continue on this thread.

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  20. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Would you care to back that up with statistics, Pete? Feel free to do this on General Debate, if you consider it’s wandering OT here.

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  21. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    graham, there is a rape culture in New Zealand..

    The oracle, the sage, from the South has spoken (read pontificated). No further discussion will be entered into.

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  22. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    Just who we need for PM – an obese gay guy with a speech impediment who has never done a proper days work in his life . If only he could find his whakapapa and he’ll be the left’s dream candidate.

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  23. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    That the commies listed here even get 30% support is amazing.

    How is it that so many NZers, who once enjoyed a reputation as an independent and self reliant people, can’t get by without this bunch of no-hopers “looking out for them”.

    Really, if I was stuck in the bush somewhere, the might be able to help push my car out of the mud, but in running my life, I need this bunch of Marxist losers, bludgers, cronyists, crooks, liars and queers like I need a hole in the head.

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  24. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson:

    “in the private sector generating wealth?”

    Stay away from that fallacy Dave. Everyone who provides something others need generates wealth, even politicians and public servants.

    You are the one committing fallacys…specifically the oldest one in economics…”The Broken Window fallacy”…also know as “That which is seen..and not seen”. All government does is steal created wealth from the private sector and mis-spend and redirect into follies in the public one. No actual new wealth created….and indeed so much lost to churn.

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  25. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    “All government does is steal created wealth from the private sector and mis-spend and redirect into follies in the public one.”

    That is incorrect actually. You are a typical libertarian. I have not met one yet who can think clearly. They all just espouse doctrine like pull string dolls.

    A government that performs its core functions does help produce wealth. For example the land registry. Without records to identify who owns what it would be chaos.

    Another example- law enforcement. When government enforcement agencies protect your private property they are contributing to your capacity to earn wealth.

    To say “all government does is steal wealth” is just by rote doctrine that you would condemn in any religious believer or any socialist.

    Libertarians are just another bunch of brain fucked ignorant of history losers that are no help in winding back left wing political and social hegemony because their religious like adherence to the tiresome long winded semi-biblical rantings of a brain damaged Russian cougar will never allow them to pinpoint the real problems.

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  26. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Unlike a lot of the Nats with a bit more business acumen & real world experience, this is ‘it’ for a lot of those names Eddie has put on the list. Never had a real job before politics, unlikely to ever have one afterwards.

    Still you can go a hell of a long way with tales of when you worked at the freezing works or that time you did some dagging.

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  27. freedom101 (504 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to score each Labour and National MP out of 10, ranking them on wealth generating experience. I think we would find that Labour has no idea about wealth generation, but instead specialises in wealth destruction and redistribution.

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  28. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    This is why we need a limit on the number of terms a person can serve in Parliament. A number of public listed companies and NFPs and other other organisations have a limit usually 3 by 3 year terms.

    Fact is after 9 years if you have given your all you should be exhausted and need a rest and be past your used by date.

    Also allows for new blood to come in with fresh ideas.

    Time to kick career pollies into touch.

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  29. Pete George (23,568 comments) says:

    lastmanstanding – but it’s already difficult to get enough quality candidates or MPs.

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  30. Redbaiter (8,925 comments) says:

    At the moment its almost impossible.

    Dunedin more so than most.

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  31. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    lastmanstanding – but it’s already difficult to get enough quality candidates or MPs.

    Why anyone would screw their lives for an MPs salary is beyond me.

    A good mate of mine is a Lawyer and a LP member and has said its just impossible to contemplate having a crack at politics while he has kids and a mortgage. He would have to slash his income by 70% if he won and that is after a year or more without pay.

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  32. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Gosh, Cunliffe is being awfully active in Ohariu:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-labour-trifecta.html

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  33. Lucy (32 comments) says:

    There is no way Cunliffe is left!!!!! Is he play acting? Spend a few minutes in conversation with him and you will find he is centre left.

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  34. Lucy (32 comments) says:

    There is no way Cunliffe is left!!!!!

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  35. s.russell (1,642 comments) says:

    lastmanstanding,

    I invite you to think carefully about what you want.

    A Nat MP elected in 99 would have spent 9 years fighting to get National in power then would have had to quit without getting a crack at running anything in Govt. List the ministers who would never have been ministers in this Govt: Tony Ryall, Gerry Brownlee, Bill English, Simon Power, Judith Collins to start with. John Key would have had to quit Parliament last year.

    Now, maybe you think they are all hopeless has-beens. In which case can you point to the better people on the back benches who should replace them?

    I agree there are some MPs who hang around longer than they should. But your drastic means of getting rid of those in favour of newbies (who may be no better) would also deprive Parliament of experienced people with a lot to contribute. I think the tradeoff would be a very poor one… and that is quite aside from abrogating people’s democratic right to elect whosoever they want to represent them.

    And getting closer to this thread’s original topic, I note with interest that the most capable and least loony-left MPs in Labour’s ranks are mostly MPs who have been there a lot longer than 9nine years.

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  36. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Is any of them a real left winger?

    Little because he’s a unionist – Douglas used to be a communist, and he presided over the decline and fall of the union movement.

    Goff “of the right” was leader when they finally proposed a CGT and making the WFF tax credit available to beneficiaries (to the left of some). But he is also pro free trade, military connection to the USA and law and order politics.

    Mallard of the “careerist left” (he who closed down more schools than any other New Zealander) is a strong advocate of Kiwi Saver being compulsory at a high rate – something that places tax paid universal super at risk. DPF would advocate for the same and add placing the Cullen Fund into Kiwi Saver accounts virtually guaranteeing tax paid super was unaffordable.

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