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A Millsy meltdown, or more accurately a rampage of abuse and threats that eventually gets a wet bus ticket rebuke. Not a good look from someone associated with Labour and apparently with unions. Disgraceful behaviour, disgracefully uneven moderation.
The rare Blue duck – one of the great DOC con jobs.
There are shitloads of them about. Next time you are in the eastern bay, and can be bothered, have a drive up to Takaputahi past Toatoa, you’ll see them happily playing in the rapids. The Motu is full of them.
When you see Blue Duck mentioned you only ever see Wanganui stated. My take on that is that someone has made a nice little career from sitting there breeding a few.
More PC homosexual crap. This guy was a corporal and tried to hit on someone junior. If a male soldier did that to a female and committed suicide because of what happened later there would be no sympathy for him.
Most normal male soldiers would not want to share a foxhole or a shower with a homosexual while they perv on their cock. You can imagine the outcry if female soldiers were expected to share showers with normal male soldiers.
Most you normal males would at the very least would be discretely perving on them.
This is PC gone mad. Homosexuals have no place in the militarily. It is unfortunate this young man decided to commit suicide because of his action but it is not the Army’s fault.
Family believes dead soldier was bullied about sexuality
TONY WALL
Last updated 05:00 03/03/2013
PEB. Yep quite a few around but often mistaken for similar ducks. They are quite unique. Their bills have been addapted for feeding in fast running currents.
They usually have a stretch of river that they “own” as such so not a bird that aggregates like the ordinary duck.
Haven’t been to Takapotahi for years. Went right down to the Motu over the road that was built for the proposed damm access. Steep doesn’t describe the territory. Verticle does. Not sure that road is even open any more.
Still a few birds their doesn’t ensure they will be found elsewhere.
This cop is a hero. Bob Kerridge is damaging the image of the SPCA.
Shark-shooting cop goes into hiding
MICHELLE ROBINSON
Last updated 05:00 03/03/2013
SPCA Auckland executive director Bob Kerridge said the outrage at the shooting was understandable. “I can understand the public concern about this and I share it.
“At least the shark was shot by a marksman a number of times, I presume it died fairly quickly. I hope it did.”
But most people understood the risks of swimming at sea, and killing a shark for its actions was unnecessary.
kowtow. No one has said extinct but certainly not a lot around except in places where they are hard to see. Beaten up by the usual suspects, wild cats, stoats, pigs etc.
As an indicator of the length of river that they cover here is an article about a recent duck looking expedition
“Maungataniwha Native Forest estate manager Pete Shaw led the group of nine into the Hawkes Bay forest to look for the duck, which is also known as the whio and features on the $10 note.
The 6000ha forest, owned by businessman Simon Hall and part of a large area used by the Forest Lifeforce Restoration Trust to restore threatened fauna and flora, was known to be home to the blue duck, Shaw said.
But the group was stunned to discover 19 breeding pairs, 13 ducks and 29 juveniles along 41km of waterway.”
Chuck Bird (3,102) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:31 am
This cop is a hero. Bob Kerridge is damaging the image of the SPCA.
White Pointers are a protected species in NZ. It is an offence to harm them. NZ is also a signatory to international agreements protecting them.
Based upon the behaviour on the NZ Police in recent years, I would expect they would prosecute a citizen for doing the same thing and probably charge them with firearms offences too.
In yesterdays Dompost there was a story about this bloke who took $360000 more than he was entitled to in accident compensation over 13 years.
It all started when he injured himself in 1998. He claimed he had been paid $975 in the week prior to the accident.
The ACC reviewed his case in 2010 and found he had not been employed by the company he said he said he was working for and in fact was he was just a friend of the owner and had just helped him out for two or three days.
He was sent to jail for three years and ordered to pay back the $360000 which he probably won’t be able to do even after selling his house.
What I would like to know is why the hell the ACC did not check with his “employer” back in 1998 when he made the claim to confirm that he had in fact earned what he said he did?
All it would have taken was a phone call.
Concerning the shark, and the conservationist’s reactions to the policeman’s shooting at it to try to get the swimmer released:
My wife summed it up well, I thought: ‘So when a shark takes or attacks a conservationist, we are not to do anything about it and just let it swim away with the conservationist in its mouth’.
Usually the employer gets a pile of paperwork to verify. Perhaps this wasn’t done or was fraudulent?
A bit like the old HNZ. It wasn’t what you knew or your need it was more about the local housing managers you were whanu too. Stil a long way to go with weeding that one out.
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:31 am
This cop is a hero. Bob Kerridge is damaging the image of the SPCA.
Shark-shooting cop goes into hiding
MICHELLE ROBINSON
Last updated 05:00 03/03/2013
Chuck, how on earth can that cop be a hero. He was shooting at an unarmed shark from a boat. Had he got in the water and tried to wrestle that blokes body from the shark that would have made him a hero.
Fair enough he tried to frighten that shark away so the body could be recovered but he is not a hero for doing that.
Was the shark still mauling Adam Strange at the time, or not?
The lifeguards were thrashing the water and striking at the shark with oars in the bid to chase it off.
Webb said police always went to great lengths to retrieve bodies as they knew it helped families in their grieving process and they did not want to let down Strange’s wife, Meg, and toddler, Indigo, 2.
“The shark was going for the person for 25 minutes while we were there, just insistently. It didn’t seem to be frightened of anything. It wasn’t frightened of being shot,” Walley said.
Re ACC.
We had a truck driver who worked for the company I worked for who had lost his foot in an accident. As a truck driver he earnt quite a bit more than he did as a parts assistant. Once every three months the ACC would send me a form to fill in relating to his previous four weeks pay, just to check he was earning the same amount. They would make up the difference between what he was being paid and 80% [I think it was] of what he had been getting as a truck driver.
So checks were being carried out on those people that were working.
That’s why I can’t understand why a check wasn’t carried out on that bloke at the time he filled that form in.
kowtow (3,797) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 am
kea
Great White protected.
Stupid law.
Passed by stupid “progressive” politicians .
Maybe so, but you can not blame me for that. The police do not allow us to ignore “stupid laws”.
Remember that the NZ police have attempted to prosecute people for protecting their own lives. In one case they charged a gun shop owner with firearms offences, after lightly wounding an armed robber, who wanted guns. ( I bet he was not going to use those guns for deer stalking)
I do not expect many on KB to see my point as their default position is to elevate the police and authority figures to a place they do not belong, in any free society. Its pretty simple really; are the police above the law or not ?
kea ,no blame ,and of course I take your point about being above the law etc.
However I take it back to common sense.
Same with police prosecutions. Some defy common sense. But I believe our average PC Plod on the ground has ample and does a good job,generally. And deserve our support.
Why shoudn’t great white sharks be protected?
We choose to swim in their enviroment.
Tigers are protected and there are only about 3000 of them left in the wild. You want to go into the jungle where you know there are tigers you take the risk of being attacked.
But as I said, I have no problem with that poilceman shooting at that shark so the body could be recovered. Obviously he wouldn’t have shot at it if that bloke was still alive otherwise he might have killed the guy.
Fisheries (White Pointer Shark—High Seas Protection) Regulations 2007
Offence
(1)A person commits an offence if the person breaches regulation 4.
(2)A person who commits an offence against subclause (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $100,000.
But I believe our average PC Plod on the ground has ample and does a good job,generally. And deserve our support.
I agree and I do support them. However some of the wankers that crawl their way up the ladder of command are a different story. Same as in most govt departments.
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:23 am
More PC homosexual crap. This guy was a corporal and tried to hit on someone junior. If a male soldier did that to a female and committed suicide because of what happened later there would be no sympathy for him.
Most normal male soldiers would not want to share a foxhole or a shower with a homosexual while they perv on their cock. You can imagine the outcry if female soldiers were expected to share showers with normal male soldiers.
Most you normal males would at the very least would be discretely perving on them.
This is PC gone mad. Homosexuals have no place in the militarily. It is unfortunate this young man decided to commit suicide because of his action but it is not the Army’s fault.
Chuck,I agree it was not the Army’s fault.
But this bloke had “come out”. How many homosexual soldiers are there who have never come out?
I remember there was this rugby league “hardman” in Australia, I think his name was Roberts . He “came out” towards the end of his career. I daresay there are a few homosexuals packing down in scrums. If they don’t say they are homosexual how would you ever know?
The police officer who shot at the great white pointer shark which killed swimmer Adam Strange off Muriwai Beach is in hiding for fear he will be hounded by animal rights activists.
Are we seriously expected to believe that a guy who regularly deals with gang members and violent nutters, is now driven into “hiding” by a bunch of pasty faced scrawny vegans ?
Rubbish. This shows just how silly people get when they fail to regard people in authority with a healthy suspicion.
The guy is a LIAR. He is not a hero and he has committed an offence. (did I mention he is also a liar?)
Kea. So you believe the Media beat up. I am sure the cop does not give a toss what the vegans think. If I was the cops boss I would be sending him back for more shark shooting training. He missed a couple
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:19 am
The police officer who shot at the great white pointer shark which killed swimmer Adam Strange off Muriwai Beach is in hiding for fear he will be hounded by animal rights activists.
Are we seriously expected to believe that a guy who regularly deals with gang members and violent nutters, is now driven into “hiding” by a bunch of pasty faced scrawny vegans ?
Rubbish. This shows just how silly people get when they fail to regard people in authority with a healthy suspicion.
The guy is a LIAR. He is not a hero and he has committed an offence. (did I mention he is also a liar?)
Kea, I agree that police officer is not a hero just because he shot at that shark but you are going a bit OTT by calling him a liar. Some of those ” scrawny vegans” you mention could be far more dangerous than most gang members.
I lived up in ToaToa for 5 years and can confirm – there are a shitload of Blue Ducks up there and on pretty well feeder stream going into the Taka. In fact having walked thru from the Toa to Mt Hikurangi a few times there are not many creeks that didn’t have Blue ducks on them. Great walk by the way – about 10 days, 30 odd crossings of the Motu
Viking – the survey road is only passable on pushbike or foot these days. Years ago I would take the Riverrats in by that road for access to the Motu. It’s much better now that only us keen people can use it:) Awesome hunting in that little bit of bush.
the whole shark debacle proves that the SPCA is a nutter organisation run by people out of touch with reality. Bob Kerridge is an extremist. The SPCA is becoming more and more like PETA.
Whatwould happen if thegreat white was wiped out? What part of the food chain does it sit in that the orca whale doesn’t?
We should at least make it legal to hunt those sharks, would be a great for tourism.
RF (649) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:28 am
Kea. So you believe the Media beat up. I am sure the cop does not give a toss what the vegans think.
Yeah I know. But I am challenging the thinking of the grovelling masses about the police.
I suggest those grovelling masses who want to kiss the arse of authority, row a few yards off shore on a popular crowed beach and fire 20+ rifle shots into the water, on the basis they are scaring away a shark threatening swimmers.
Then see what your police do to you….
It will be an AOS call out. They may kill you on the spot and if they do not you will be locked up. You may face conviction for fisheries offences too. The police will not let you off for trying to save peoples lives. Get real .
The call to shoot and kill the shark that attacked Strange was a split-second decision, police say.
Senior Sergeant Scott Webb said the great white reared up as inflatable rescue boats carrying an officer with a M4 bushmaster rifle, approached.
It allowed the officer to shoot two rounds into the back of the white pointer’s head, effectively killing it.
“The shark was thrashing the body about, which enabled the officer to shoot it,” he said.
The shark was then seen to roll over and slip beneath the water.
Tactical options, which included killing the shark, were discussed by police and Westpac Rescue Helicopter staff before the officer set out. “But the officer made the call to try and kill the shark to get the body back.”
Police spend days working to recover dead bodies to help bring closure to families. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8373406/Muriwai-Beach-re-opens-to-swimmers
Chicken Little (772) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:35 am
I lived up in ToaToa for 5 years and can confirm – there are a shitload of Blue Ducks up there and on pretty well feeder stream going into the Taka. In fact having walked thru from the Toa to Mt Hikurangi a few times there are not many creeks that didn’t have Blue ducks on them. Great walk by the way – about 10 days, 30 odd crossings of the Motu
Viking – the survey road is only passable on pushbike or foot these days. Years ago I would take the Riverrats in by that road for access to the Motu. It’s much better now that only us keen people can use it:) Awesome hunting in that little bit of bush.
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Agree, some great places right thru in Waikaremoana and across the Rua’s track area. body won’t ake the hills to well these days. Might if I stopped work and went working more.
Still we wnat the fellow in streams because if they live there the stream is healthy which is why the live in the bush.
With an eye on the upcoming NZ/England test series, lets cast our mind back to one of the best innings by a Kiwi in test cricket between the sides – by our very own deposed captain:
But why the double standard ? Why can the police shoot protected marine animals, courier drivers etc, with no prosecution ?
Because the Westminster system is built on the belief that the state rules by divine right. According to this belief it can do what it likes with no accountability should it be “deemed necessary”, along the lines of “the king can do no wrong”.
UglyTruth, it looks a bit like it. I am not anti the police, I just do not support double standards. I also think the “authorities” should be regarded with a healthy suspicion. You would be surprised if you learnt what I do for crust, given the comments I have made. However, he committed an offence and used a firearm in the commission of that offence. If that was a citizen, he would have armed police on the scene threatening to kill him. Passing courier drivers may be at risk in those circumstances too.
A document filed in court shows that police extracted a wealth of personal information from the device, including call records, contacts, stored text messages, photos, videos, and passwords. They also obtained “659 geolocation points, including 227 cell towers and 403 Wi-Fi networks with which the cell phone had previously connected”—a detailed record of where the device had been in previous weeks.
Soghoian says law enforcement agencies can buy portable devices that extract this kind of information from smartphones in a matter of minutes.
Kea, In general I’m not anti police either. People have a natural sense of wait is fair, but state hypocrisy is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit exists. When the foundation fails, all fails. True authority exists by right, often the body politic is called “the authorities” by people who should know better – the assumption of office is not the same as the investment of office.
That is the headline, but I can see nothing in the item which explains the use of the word ‘hero’.
Just a part of the continuing devaluation of the word that has occurred since the “War on Terror” took off. Thanks to the US media’s use of the word all soldiers and firefighters are now automatically heroes regardless of their deeds.
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, retired pastor to Sen. Barack Obama, said today that politicians “are getting after Big Oil because it’s black,” noting that “you don’t hear nobody talking smack like that on Big Milk.”
The Rev. Wright said he came out of seclusion to make the remarks out of concern that substantive presidential campaign issues like energy policy might push discussion of America’s racial divisions out of the headlines.
“Milk now costs an average of $3.70 per gallon,” said the Rev. Wright, “while gasoline is still less than $3.30 at the pump, and yet oil gets blamed for all our problems, from global warming to the war in Iraq. People say it’s slimy, dirty, toxic…but you don’t hear them dissin’ milk like that.”
The former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago asked rhetorically, “Why don’t we see posters of Brooke Shields or Mariska Hargitay sporting an oil mustache? I rest my case.”
“….You don’t appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle aged woman: Stuff you pay good money for in later life….”
Police cannot “kill” with impunity as is being implied. There must always be ,among any number of other investigations a Coroners inquest.
In respect of the shark my line would be;
“Great white? What great white? Yep it was a shark but the shark I shot was a lesser spotted whatever.
Great white? Prove it.
And while you’re going about it ,there was a chance the man was still alive,that’s what I believe and I have a sworn duty to protect life and property,and in my book human life comes before a fucken fish’s.”
kowtow. I have no problem with what your saying. My point is that the police are too quick to prosecute citizens who are faced with similar circumstances.
While it’s true that in cases of self defence the Police have demonstrated that they have a policy of prosecuting all cases & letting the Courts sort it out, the blame for the situation rests solely with the wishy washy self servers polishing their arses in Parliament. Giving the Police too many discretionary powers is inviting corruption.
Giving them sensible workable laws to enforce is the job of our lazy incompetent MPs.
nasska, no. Wish washy laws do not explain a double standard. If its unclear for one then its unclear for all cases of a similar nature.
There is a clear pattern with how discretionary powers are exercised by the police. I am happy for them to have some discretion, but it should be exercised fairly. If it is ok for cops to use lethal force/firearm to protect life, then it should be for everyone else. They do indeed let the Courts sort it out, if it involves a private citizen, but not a cop. Can you possibly imagine a private citizen “accidentally” shooting dead a passing courier driver and no charges laid, let alone a Court appearance ?
I call bullshit on that. It is a fundamental right for us to protect ourselves and others. The NZ police have worked very hard for many years to undermine that right. They can’t quite get it into statute law, so keep bringing self defense cases to Court to try and build up some case law. They are slippery power drunk bastards and need to put in their place. (I am not talking about the real cops on the street. This comes from the ladder climbing wankers higher up.)
I know where you’re coming from & I’m in total agreement that the enforcement of laws regarding self defence is draconian. At the same time if the law allowed an absolute right to defend life, limb & property the Police would be left to present the facts to the coroner & everyone could get on with their lives.
It’s not exactly that NZ is so short of criminals that they need protection.
As an aside have you any idea why the Police hierarchy are so hell bent on prosecuting self defence cases?
As an aside have you any idea why the Police hierarchy are so hell bent on prosecuting self defence cases?
I have a couple of ideas/observations.
Some people get off on controlling others. Police work attracts those types. Others form a bitter and twisted view of their fellow man, after years of seeing people at their worst. They lose perspective.
By launching numerous prosecutions they hope to form a body of case law to support their belief that citizens should not be allowed to use force to defends themselves. They would love a few leading cases to back them up, as statute law does not. They are not “anti gun” and love guns, just as long as they are the only ones with them. It is worth remembering why cops have guns. To kill people. There is no other reason and no amount of weaseling will hide that simple reality.
“…..Giving the Police too many discretionary powers is inviting corruption….”
Nasska the reason they have ‘discretion’ is so that NZ doesn’t become a facist police state.
Not all laws acknowledge commonsense and morals.
If the police are called to a ‘domestic’ by a neighbour, which turns out to be simply a screaming match between a husband and wife over the fact bills won’t be paid because one has just been laid off – would it then be best for the Police to charge both with the likes of ‘verbal abuse’ ‘swearing into the presense of the public’ and then call up the child agency because the police are concerned about ‘future child neglect’?
Going to court with the added expense of legal fees and facing the likelyhood of fines, is not only aggrevating the problem facing this couple but is also a waste of resources of the courts, police, and welfare.
Police in NZ have enough commonsense and morals to help and protect the public from ‘corruption’ of the political process by ‘vote-grapping’ liars, exagerators, moral cowards, and finally – by busy-body law makers.
There are already an extensive array of laws and police proceedures to stop corruption, detect corruption, and deal with those who do it.
Policing is probably the best public institution that NZ has in dealing with ‘reality’.
All those that went out in that inflatable were heroes, any or all of them could have been killed. It’s malicious to compare this case with that of the courier driver. The police officer and those in the inflatable were putting themselves in danger, no one wins a fight against a great white, a few mm of rubber is no shield from it’s jaws. It was a fluid and frightening situation, if anything putting themselves in danger might be in question because it could have added to the tragedy. Something is f..d up when there is ‘outrage’ over a dead shark and not that of it’s human victim and family.
kowtow, you seem determined to shift the blame from the police to Parliament.
Parliaments laws clearly allow us to defend ourselves, including shooting someone, if that is reasonable. The police can’t accept that and are continually challenging it. They want exclusive rights to use force in our society. They are trying to remove the most fundamental human right. The right to protect our own lives.
In our laws, the police have no more rights to use deadly force than anyone else.
It is all about the circumstances justifying the use of force. The legal standard is not lower for the police. So why the huge difference between the way citizens are prosecuted and police ? There is no legal basis for that.
Can you imagine a private person killing someone for breaking windows with a golf club in a deserted street early in the morning and having no charges laid. Or maybe just killing a passing motorist… whoops… oh well, no charges.
…”would it then be best for the Police to charge both with the likes of ‘verbal abuse’ ‘swearing into the presense of the public”….
If we got rid of these petty public nuisance laws that would scotch the problem from the word go. What we have is an unworkable plethora of crap law which neither the public nor the police fully understand served by an army of lawyers & judges charging inordinate amounts of coin to interpret the unknown.
The original duties of the police were to gather evidence & present it to a court….not to act as society’s referees & enforcers of law dreamt up by politicians too scared not to be seen to be “doing something”.
Harriet, globally the history of policing is one of brutality and corruption. NZ cops are one the best, but that is not saying much !
Every large scale oppression of peoples rights have involved the police. As has every single large scale murder of citizens. They are NOT there for the people, they ARE there for those in power. It is crawlers like you that allow it to happen, because you do not question authority and keep it honest.
have you any idea why the Police hierarchy are so hell bent on prosecuting self defence cases?
It threatens their core line of business, namely protection. State protection of citizens is typically enforced militarily, historically both constable and sergeant are military ranks. When people are able to defend themselves they have to no use for the primary benefit of citizenship. If there’s one thing that the state doesn’t like, it’s the idea that it isn’t essential to the wellbeing of a people.
If the police are called to a ‘domestic’ by a neighbour,
…they will take what ever the woman says as truth and throw the man out of his own home, or lock him up, or talk her into getting a protection order (they can take his guns then). They love to play the “White Knight”, especially if the woman is attractive.
“…This comes from the ladder climbing wankers higher up….’
In organisations like the police ‘protection of self’ is the first risk assesment when working. The millitary for the most part is too.
Those who get promoted have to stand up for those below them to earn the respect from the lower ranks. No one want’s to die on the job because of poor laws and proceedure.
Yes, I agree that the police using ‘safety’ as a defense can ‘force’ law change through the parliment. But they can also loose the respect of the public for doing so.
A case in point is alcohol reform, you will hear from some police through the media that “the constables hate having to deal with young drunks weekend after weekend.”
But the reality is that the Law does not get made to satisfy ‘the likes and dislikes of police on duty’. Drunk youngsters would remind them of that, so would most other people! And the safety of the police is then compromised.
And that is why we have senior police who are respected: they are the ones who think before they speak to the media and the minister.
“….The original duties of the police were to gather evidence & present it to a court….not to act as society’s referees & enforcers of law…”
You mean like dead bodies and stuff from drunken road crashes?
Sure, I think that having a few beers and driving home safely -even over the limit- can be done. I did it in NZ in the early 80′s every fri/sat night. No crashes. No breath checks.
But only by some. Today’s young ones have a few beers and then drive home as dangerously and as fast as they can.
So you think Clint Rickards , Brad Shipton, Bob Schollum. are respected ?
Only by those who knew them and did nothing.
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Not so Harriet.+
there were those around here who knew that no good was being done but until there was a complaint that would hold up in court it was basically consensual.
Plenty of talk amoung the natives. Many knew but no one complained because of the power and control excerted expecially by Shipton. Only met him twice but fankly made my hackles stand up. Something about him and of course he was a big muscle bastard.
I know he was unofficially warned by one of his superiors here but he just shrugged his shoulders. That person went elsewhere and just recently told me about this.
I probably worded it wrong. As you suggest there would be those who despised them but ‘could not’ do anything. It’s probably not a matter of corruption, more a case that if you don’t have the evidence you can’t do anything.
For fuck’s sake aren’t we over the bloody Haka already?
What divine right do the Auckland Warriors have to hold up the game by ten minutes while they poke their tongues out, slit their throats and prance around rolling their ‘googly eyes’ at the opposition?
And you just know there will be ‘rules’ put in place that the opposition MUST stand there and meekly accept it….
Very good post via Facebook as to why Socialism and Socialist ideas like Obama’s don’t work.
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.
There are five morals to this story:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
Context is everything. If something is taken by force or duress then the system will eventually fail, but if something is taken because it is fair and just, then it can form a legitimate basis for the funding of government. Licencing is a such a legitimate form of funding, but the fraud the the state calls licencing is not what I’m talking about. An example of legitimate licensing is the licencing of commercial use of public property or the commercial use of public resources.
Griff it has been a bit too warm today for working. I have stayed inside with my coal powered air conditioning unit going flat out. The coal smoke stops a lot of the sunshine getting through, which is good, but obscures the sea view so I cant shoot at dolphins as easily. I probably got a few in the net though. There are a lot of those little buggers around at this time of year with the silly rounded dorsal fins.
I once worked on a fishing trawler for a week [my mate owned the boat]and we once caught a dolphin in a net – it was nearly dead.
So the cook on board cooked it, I thought it would taste disgusting but it was actually quite good. We had this mango salsa that went down well with it – and of course some beers.
No one has bought up religion today – and it’s the Sabbath!
So I will
Genesis: 1: Genesis to Revelation (1969) Tony Banks, Anthony Phillips, Mike Rutherford, Chris Stewart, Peter Gabriel
Genesis: 2: Trespass (1970) Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Peter Gabriel, Mick Barnard, Phil Collins
That’s the point – It’s still unfortunate that someone dies before they should, and yes Chuck I agree that he is a good example to others that there are risks in how one lives.
As Graham said last week – most Christians he knows and meets are contented and have fullfilling lives.
I agree that the Teachings of Christ are good to live by. Most religions who help gays ect change their lives have great success with that, because following Christ is a whole of body/whole of life change. Other types of counciling for the most part, only deal with certain issues – not with their ‘whole being’.
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 am
Thought for the day.
http://screencast.com/t/akI2v4KMybO
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 am
And one to make you think.
http://screencast.com/t/Ioj5Q9OMT1S4
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:11 am
New Zealand’s threatened species of rare native BLUE DUCK, the WHIO, is making a comeback after a bumper breeding season.
With an estimated nationwide population of fewer than 2500 birds, Whio are rarer than Kiwi.
http://gewius.com/blue-ducks/whio-nz-blue-ducks-make-a-come-back/
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:17 am
A Millsy meltdown, or more accurately a rampage of abuse and threats that eventually gets a wet bus ticket rebuke. Not a good look from someone associated with Labour and apparently with unions. Disgraceful behaviour, disgracefully uneven moderation.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:18 am
V2
The rare Blue duck – one of the great DOC con jobs.
There are shitloads of them about. Next time you are in the eastern bay, and can be bothered, have a drive up to Takaputahi past Toatoa, you’ll see them happily playing in the rapids. The Motu is full of them.
When you see Blue Duck mentioned you only ever see Wanganui stated. My take on that is that someone has made a nice little career from sitting there breeding a few.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:23 am
More PC homosexual crap. This guy was a corporal and tried to hit on someone junior. If a male soldier did that to a female and committed suicide because of what happened later there would be no sympathy for him.
Most normal male soldiers would not want to share a foxhole or a shower with a homosexual while they perv on their cock. You can imagine the outcry if female soldiers were expected to share showers with normal male soldiers.
Most you normal males would at the very least would be discretely perving on them.
This is PC gone mad. Homosexuals have no place in the militarily. It is unfortunate this young man decided to commit suicide because of his action but it is not the Army’s fault.
Family believes dead soldier was bullied about sexuality
TONY WALL
Last updated 05:00 03/03/2013
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8374147/Family-believes-dead-soldier-was-bullied-about-sexuality
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:27 am
PEB. Yep quite a few around but often mistaken for similar ducks. They are quite unique. Their bills have been addapted for feeding in fast running currents.
They usually have a stretch of river that they “own” as such so not a bird that aggregates like the ordinary duck.
Haven’t been to Takapotahi for years. Went right down to the Motu over the road that was built for the proposed damm access. Steep doesn’t describe the territory. Verticle does. Not sure that road is even open any more.
Still a few birds their doesn’t ensure they will be found elsewhere.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:27 am
Extinct in New Zealand?
Common sense.
Lost to activists for “equality”,human and animal rights ,so called indigeous issues and extreme environmentalism.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:31 am
This cop is a hero. Bob Kerridge is damaging the image of the SPCA.
Shark-shooting cop goes into hiding
MICHELLE ROBINSON
Last updated 05:00 03/03/2013
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8374184/Shark-shooting-cop-goes-into-hiding
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:32 am
The wabbit is a politician.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 am
kowtow. No one has said extinct but certainly not a lot around except in places where they are hard to see. Beaten up by the usual suspects, wild cats, stoats, pigs etc.
As an indicator of the length of river that they cover here is an article about a recent duck looking expedition
“Maungataniwha Native Forest estate manager Pete Shaw led the group of nine into the Hawkes Bay forest to look for the duck, which is also known as the whio and features on the $10 note.
The 6000ha forest, owned by businessman Simon Hall and part of a large area used by the Forest Lifeforce Restoration Trust to restore threatened fauna and flora, was known to be home to the blue duck, Shaw said.
But the group was stunned to discover 19 breeding pairs, 13 ducks and 29 juveniles along 41km of waterway.”
i.e.81 Blue Ducks in 41 km of river. 2 per km.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10811921
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 am
OBITUARY for Common Sense.
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=23030
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:36 am
See no common sense.
“Killing a shark for its actions un necessary”
We put dogs down for their actions don’t we? But then the activist SPCA don’t like that either.
No common sense.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:39 am
White Pointers are a protected species in NZ. It is an offence to harm them. NZ is also a signatory to international agreements protecting them.
Based upon the behaviour on the NZ Police in recent years, I would expect they would prosecute a citizen for doing the same thing and probably charge them with firearms offences too.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:41 am
In yesterdays Dompost there was a story about this bloke who took $360000 more than he was entitled to in accident compensation over 13 years.
Vote:It all started when he injured himself in 1998. He claimed he had been paid $975 in the week prior to the accident.
The ACC reviewed his case in 2010 and found he had not been employed by the company he said he said he was working for and in fact was he was just a friend of the owner and had just helped him out for two or three days.
He was sent to jail for three years and ordered to pay back the $360000 which he probably won’t be able to do even after selling his house.
What I would like to know is why the hell the ACC did not check with his “employer” back in 1998 when he made the claim to confirm that he had in fact earned what he said he did?
All it would have taken was a phone call.
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
Concerning the shark, and the conservationist’s reactions to the policeman’s shooting at it to try to get the swimmer released:
My wife summed it up well, I thought: ‘So when a shark takes or attacks a conservationist, we are not to do anything about it and just let it swim away with the conservationist in its mouth’.
Says it all really.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
Usually the employer gets a pile of paperwork to verify. Perhaps this wasn’t done or was fraudulent?
A bit like the old HNZ. It wasn’t what you knew or your need it was more about the local housing managers you were whanu too. Stil a long way to go with weeding that one out.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:46 am
Muggins. It’s a Government Department.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:48 am
Chuck Bird (3,102) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:31 am
This cop is a hero. Bob Kerridge is damaging the image of the SPCA.
Shark-shooting cop goes into hiding
MICHELLE ROBINSON
Last updated 05:00 03/03/2013
Chuck, how on earth can that cop be a hero. He was shooting at an unarmed shark from a boat. Had he got in the water and tried to wrestle that blokes body from the shark that would have made him a hero.
Vote:Fair enough he tried to frighten that shark away so the body could be recovered but he is not a hero for doing that.
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 am
kea
Great White protected.
Stupid law.
Passed by stupid “progressive” politicians .
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 am
Charles Chauvel’s speech. Labour is a party full of bitches
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Was the shark still mauling Adam Strange at the time, or not?
The lifeguards were thrashing the water and striking at the shark with oars in the bid to chase it off.
Vote:Webb said police always went to great lengths to retrieve bodies as they knew it helped families in their grieving process and they did not want to let down Strange’s wife, Meg, and toddler, Indigo, 2.
“The shark was going for the person for 25 minutes while we were there, just insistently. It didn’t seem to be frightened of anything. It wasn’t frightened of being shot,” Walley said.
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:57 am
…..shooting an unarmed shark……
well it would have been a very strange shark if it had been armed!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:59 am
Re ACC.
Vote:We had a truck driver who worked for the company I worked for who had lost his foot in an accident. As a truck driver he earnt quite a bit more than he did as a parts assistant. Once every three months the ACC would send me a form to fill in relating to his previous four weeks pay, just to check he was earning the same amount. They would make up the difference between what he was being paid and 80% [I think it was] of what he had been getting as a truck driver.
So checks were being carried out on those people that were working.
That’s why I can’t understand why a check wasn’t carried out on that bloke at the time he filled that form in.
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:04 am
Maybe so, but you can not blame me for that. The police do not allow us to ignore “stupid laws”.
Remember that the NZ police have attempted to prosecute people for protecting their own lives. In one case they charged a gun shop owner with firearms offences, after lightly wounding an armed robber, who wanted guns. ( I bet he was not going to use those guns for deer stalking)
I do not expect many on KB to see my point as their default position is to elevate the police and authority figures to a place they do not belong, in any free society. Its pretty simple really; are the police above the law or not ?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:08 am
kea ,no blame ,and of course I take your point about being above the law etc.
However I take it back to common sense.
Same with police prosecutions. Some defy common sense. But I believe our average PC Plod on the ground has ample and does a good job,generally. And deserve our support.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:08 am
kowtow (3,798) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 am
kea
Great White protected.
Stupid law.
Passed by stupid “progressive” politicians
Why shoudn’t great white sharks be protected?
Vote:We choose to swim in their enviroment.
Tigers are protected and there are only about 3000 of them left in the wild. You want to go into the jungle where you know there are tigers you take the risk of being attacked.
But as I said, I have no problem with that poilceman shooting at that shark so the body could be recovered. Obviously he wouldn’t have shot at it if that bloke was still alive otherwise he might have killed the guy.
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:08 am
Fisheries (White Pointer Shark—High Seas Protection) Regulations 2007
Offence
(1)A person commits an offence if the person breaches regulation 4.
(2)A person who commits an offence against subclause (1) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $100,000.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2007/0048/latest/whole.html#DLM427895
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:11 am
I agree and I do support them. However some of the wankers that crawl their way up the ladder of command are a different story. Same as in most govt departments.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:15 am
“for good people to do evil things, that takes religion” – Steven Weinberg
Faith in the Westminster system is a religion like any other.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:17 am
Chuck Bird (3,102) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 8:23 am
More PC homosexual crap. This guy was a corporal and tried to hit on someone junior. If a male soldier did that to a female and committed suicide because of what happened later there would be no sympathy for him.
Most normal male soldiers would not want to share a foxhole or a shower with a homosexual while they perv on their cock. You can imagine the outcry if female soldiers were expected to share showers with normal male soldiers.
Most you normal males would at the very least would be discretely perving on them.
This is PC gone mad. Homosexuals have no place in the militarily. It is unfortunate this young man decided to commit suicide because of his action but it is not the Army’s fault.
Chuck,I agree it was not the Army’s fault.
Vote:But this bloke had “come out”. How many homosexual soldiers are there who have never come out?
I remember there was this rugby league “hardman” in Australia, I think his name was Roberts . He “came out” towards the end of his career. I daresay there are a few homosexuals packing down in scrums. If they don’t say they are homosexual how would you ever know?
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:19 am
Are we seriously expected to believe that a guy who regularly deals with gang members and violent nutters, is now driven into “hiding” by a bunch of pasty faced scrawny vegans ?
Rubbish. This shows just how silly people get when they fail to regard people in authority with a healthy suspicion.
The guy is a LIAR. He is not a hero and he has committed an offence. (did I mention he is also a liar?)
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:22 am
http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2011/09/21/moment-11-australian-rugby-league-player-ian-roberts-comes-out-while-still-active/
Chuck, I was wrong about Roberts. Apparently the players knew but the public didn’t.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:28 am
Kea. So you believe the Media beat up. I am sure the cop does not give a toss what the vegans think. If I was the cops boss I would be sending him back for more shark shooting training. He missed a couple
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:29 am
Kea (2,317) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:19 am
The police officer who shot at the great white pointer shark which killed swimmer Adam Strange off Muriwai Beach is in hiding for fear he will be hounded by animal rights activists.
Are we seriously expected to believe that a guy who regularly deals with gang members and violent nutters, is now driven into “hiding” by a bunch of pasty faced scrawny vegans ?
Rubbish. This shows just how silly people get when they fail to regard people in authority with a healthy suspicion.
The guy is a LIAR. He is not a hero and he has committed an offence. (did I mention he is also a liar?)
Kea, I agree that police officer is not a hero just because he shot at that shark but you are going a bit OTT by calling him a liar. Some of those ” scrawny vegans” you mention could be far more dangerous than most gang members.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:35 am
I lived up in ToaToa for 5 years and can confirm – there are a shitload of Blue Ducks up there and on pretty well feeder stream going into the Taka. In fact having walked thru from the Toa to Mt Hikurangi a few times there are not many creeks that didn’t have Blue ducks on them. Great walk by the way – about 10 days, 30 odd crossings of the Motu
Viking – the survey road is only passable on pushbike or foot these days. Years ago I would take the Riverrats in by that road for access to the Motu. It’s much better now that only us keen people can use it:) Awesome hunting in that little bit of bush.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:37 am
Speaking of ducks, look who showed his face at Homegrown music festival yesterday – TradeMe Trev
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/a-homegrown-caption-contest.html?m=1
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:02 am
the whole shark debacle proves that the SPCA is a nutter organisation run by people out of touch with reality. Bob Kerridge is an extremist. The SPCA is becoming more and more like PETA.
Whatwould happen if thegreat white was wiped out? What part of the food chain does it sit in that the orca whale doesn’t?
We should at least make it legal to hunt those sharks, would be a great for tourism.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:05 am
Yeah I know. But I am challenging the thinking of the grovelling masses about the police.
I suggest those grovelling masses who want to kiss the arse of authority, row a few yards off shore on a popular crowed beach and fire 20+ rifle shots into the water, on the basis they are scaring away a shark threatening swimmers.
Then see what your police do to you….
It will be an AOS call out. They may kill you on the spot and if they do not you will be locked up. You may face conviction for fisheries offences too. The police will not let you off for trying to save peoples lives. Get real .
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:11 am
@KS,
No takers for his tickets this year I guess. Perhaps the asking price was too high?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:13 am
I wonder what would happen if you missed the shark and “accidentally” shot dead a passing courier driver ? No charges laid ? Yeah right !
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:32 am
The call to shoot and kill the shark that attacked Strange was a split-second decision, police say.
Senior Sergeant Scott Webb said the great white reared up as inflatable rescue boats carrying an officer with a M4 bushmaster rifle, approached.
It allowed the officer to shoot two rounds into the back of the white pointer’s head, effectively killing it.
“The shark was thrashing the body about, which enabled the officer to shoot it,” he said.
The shark was then seen to roll over and slip beneath the water.
Tactical options, which included killing the shark, were discussed by police and Westpac Rescue Helicopter staff before the officer set out.
“But the officer made the call to try and kill the shark to get the body back.”
Police spend days working to recover dead bodies to help bring closure to families.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8373406/Muriwai-Beach-re-opens-to-swimmers
29 reasons for shooting sharks?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:40 am
Chicken Little (772) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:35 am
I lived up in ToaToa for 5 years and can confirm – there are a shitload of Blue Ducks up there and on pretty well feeder stream going into the Taka. In fact having walked thru from the Toa to Mt Hikurangi a few times there are not many creeks that didn’t have Blue ducks on them. Great walk by the way – about 10 days, 30 odd crossings of the Motu
Viking – the survey road is only passable on pushbike or foot these days. Years ago I would take the Riverrats in by that road for access to the Motu. It’s much better now that only us keen people can use it:) Awesome hunting in that little bit of bush.
—————–
Agree, some great places right thru in Waikaremoana and across the Rua’s track area. body won’t ake the hills to well these days. Might if I stopped work and went working more.
Still we wnat the fellow in streams because if they live there the stream is healthy which is why the live in the bush.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:42 am
Ooops Whaley just got well-and-truly hoisted on his own petard by “Andy” and the oil is leaking across the ocean…
http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/the-whale-gets-another-harpoon/
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:51 am
It’s been suggested that I’m “an example of right wing blogging (falsehoods)” in an apparently toned down headline.
How right wing am I?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:57 am
This is the problem of being a follower of a fence-sitter like Dunne
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 11:00 am
Sofia (523) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 10:32 am
I agree and good on him. I would have done the same.
But why the double standard ? Why can the police shoot protected marine animals, courier drivers etc, with no prosecution ?
Yet citizens are prosecuted for defending their own lives !
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 11:08 am
Oooh let’s talk about Pete George eh?
Nah fuck off Pete! Go have a leisurely wank in the bush instead.
Ohariu has some nice spots:)
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 11:08 am
Thrash Cardiom – can you give any examples of me fence sitting? Or are you just climbing on board the bash wagon?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 11:17 am
You might even cum across your mentor there, then you can reach around and exchange pleasantries to your hearts desire!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 11:36 am
With an eye on the upcoming NZ/England test series, lets cast our mind back to one of the best innings by a Kiwi in test cricket between the sides – by our very own deposed captain:
Edit: Wtf how do you embed youtube videos?
Vote:
March 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 am
It’s a joke, Pete. Get over yourself.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Because the Westminster system is built on the belief that the state rules by divine right. According to this belief it can do what it likes with no accountability should it be “deemed necessary”, along the lines of “the king can do no wrong”.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
UglyTruth, it looks a bit like it. I am not anti the police, I just do not support double standards. I also think the “authorities” should be regarded with a healthy suspicion. You would be surprised if you learnt what I do for crust, given the comments I have made. However, he committed an offence and used a firearm in the commission of that offence. If that was a citizen, he would have armed police on the scene threatening to kill him. Passing courier drivers may be at risk in those circumstances too.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Gay war hero’s tragic death
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8374534/Gay-war-heros-tragic-death
That is the headline, but I can see nothing in the item which explains the use of the word ‘hero’.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Recipe for White Pointer:
First shoot your shark. Gut and clean.
Shoot either SPCA bloke or Gareth Morgan depending on taste and availability.
Gut and clean.
Shoot cat.
Gut and clean.
Shoot Whio (Blue Duck)
Gut and clean.
Purchase several dozen Tiostrea chilensis.
Don’t bother to gut or clean.
Stuff shark with Gareth/SPCA bloke, stuff either/or with cat, stuff cat with duck, stuff duck with oysters.
Cook in a hangi for 10 hours, get pissed while waiting and go to Macca’s for a feed!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm
whaleoil reveals why the FBI think they can help themselves to anything they like.
Except I hope that in NZ that’s not the case but My instincts tell me that our police are doing the same.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/03/if-youre-dodgy-dont-own-a-smartphone/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=if-youre-dodgy-dont-own-a-smartphone
A document filed in court shows that police extracted a wealth of personal information from the device, including call records, contacts, stored text messages, photos, videos, and passwords. They also obtained “659 geolocation points, including 227 cell towers and 403 Wi-Fi networks with which the cell phone had previously connected”—a detailed record of where the device had been in previous weeks.
Soghoian says law enforcement agencies can buy portable devices that extract this kind of information from smartphones in a matter of minutes.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Kea, In general I’m not anti police either. People have a natural sense of wait is fair, but state hypocrisy is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit exists. When the foundation fails, all fails. True authority exists by right, often the body politic is called “the authorities” by people who should know better – the assumption of office is not the same as the investment of office.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Just a part of the continuing devaluation of the word that has occurred since the “War on Terror” took off. Thanks to the US media’s use of the word all soldiers and firefighters are now automatically heroes regardless of their deeds.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm
I am onto you Griff
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:00 pm
PiE:
If he had piles I can see how he may have been hailed as a hero!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Kea
…”You would be surprised if you learnt what I do for crust”…..
Are you trying to tell us that you’re NOT the doorman at Madam Lash’s House of Pain?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
He left there yonks ago nasska. He wipes tables at Lady Sonia’s these days!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/7857605/Gang-case-thrown-out-over-false-arrest
I heard that the operation cost 30 million.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
“Are you trying to tell us that you’re NOT the doorman at Madam Lash’s House of Pain?”
nasska, that is more a hobby.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:17 pm
“….You don’t appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle aged woman: Stuff you pay good money for in later life….”
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
But you’re a girl Harriet…..!
Phew kinky!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Police cannot “kill” with impunity as is being implied. There must always be ,among any number of other investigations a Coroners inquest.
In respect of the shark my line would be;
“Great white? What great white? Yep it was a shark but the shark I shot was a lesser spotted whatever.
Great white? Prove it.
And while you’re going about it ,there was a chance the man was still alive,that’s what I believe and I have a sworn duty to protect life and property,and in my book human life comes before a fucken fish’s.”
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
kowtow. I have no problem with what your saying. My point is that the police are too quick to prosecute citizens who are faced with similar circumstances.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm
While it’s true that in cases of self defence the Police have demonstrated that they have a policy of prosecuting all cases & letting the Courts sort it out, the blame for the situation rests solely with the wishy washy self servers polishing their arses in Parliament. Giving the Police too many discretionary powers is inviting corruption.
Giving them sensible workable laws to enforce is the job of our lazy incompetent MPs.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Quite right nasska. Shoot first/fill in forms later law would sort things out a bit. Even if it is a shark!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:23 pm
” Giving the Police too many discretionary powers is inviting corruption.”
Same applies to bloody judges.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:27 pm
another scum bag on the loose…big tough guy this one
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8375617/Hunt-still-on-for-elderly-couple-attacker
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:30 pm
nasska, no. Wish washy laws do not explain a double standard. If its unclear for one then its unclear for all cases of a similar nature.
There is a clear pattern with how discretionary powers are exercised by the police. I am happy for them to have some discretion, but it should be exercised fairly. If it is ok for cops to use lethal force/firearm to protect life, then it should be for everyone else. They do indeed let the Courts sort it out, if it involves a private citizen, but not a cop. Can you possibly imagine a private citizen “accidentally” shooting dead a passing courier driver and no charges laid, let alone a Court appearance ?
I call bullshit on that. It is a fundamental right for us to protect ourselves and others. The NZ police have worked very hard for many years to undermine that right. They can’t quite get it into statute law, so keep bringing self defense cases to Court to try and build up some case law. They are slippery power drunk bastards and need to put in their place. (I am not talking about the real cops on the street. This comes from the ladder climbing wankers higher up.)
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Kea
I know where you’re coming from & I’m in total agreement that the enforcement of laws regarding self defence is draconian. At the same time if the law allowed an absolute right to defend life, limb & property the Police would be left to present the facts to the coroner & everyone could get on with their lives.
It’s not exactly that NZ is so short of criminals that they need protection.
As an aside have you any idea why the Police hierarchy are so hell bent on prosecuting self defence cases?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:01 pm
I have a couple of ideas/observations.
Some people get off on controlling others. Police work attracts those types. Others form a bitter and twisted view of their fellow man, after years of seeing people at their worst. They lose perspective.
By launching numerous prosecutions they hope to form a body of case law to support their belief that citizens should not be allowed to use force to defends themselves. They would love a few leading cases to back them up, as statute law does not. They are not “anti gun” and love guns, just as long as they are the only ones with them. It is worth remembering why cops have guns. To kill people. There is no other reason and no amount of weaseling will hide that simple reality.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Stephen Franks on RNZ Afternoons in the past has discussed this self defence business and it’s complexity.
It’s down to parliament. Takes rights from citizens and awards itself those rights and priveliges.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Police lack reality checks.
I mean who in his right mind would try to take out a White Pointer with a 5.56mm round?
375 H&H would be the minimum I would use!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:11 pm
“…..Giving the Police too many discretionary powers is inviting corruption….”
Nasska the reason they have ‘discretion’ is so that NZ doesn’t become a facist police state.
Not all laws acknowledge commonsense and morals.
If the police are called to a ‘domestic’ by a neighbour, which turns out to be simply a screaming match between a husband and wife over the fact bills won’t be paid because one has just been laid off – would it then be best for the Police to charge both with the likes of ‘verbal abuse’ ‘swearing into the presense of the public’ and then call up the child agency because the police are concerned about ‘future child neglect’?
Going to court with the added expense of legal fees and facing the likelyhood of fines, is not only aggrevating the problem facing this couple but is also a waste of resources of the courts, police, and welfare.
Police in NZ have enough commonsense and morals to help and protect the public from ‘corruption’ of the political process by ‘vote-grapping’ liars, exagerators, moral cowards, and finally – by busy-body law makers.
There are already an extensive array of laws and police proceedures to stop corruption, detect corruption, and deal with those who do it.
Policing is probably the best public institution that NZ has in dealing with ‘reality’.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Here, Franks in his own words. See the “Notes ” at the bottom. Explains a lot.
http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?page_id=80
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Barring the Fire Brigade Harriet!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:15 pm
All those that went out in that inflatable were heroes, any or all of them could have been killed. It’s malicious to compare this case with that of the courier driver. The police officer and those in the inflatable were putting themselves in danger, no one wins a fight against a great white, a few mm of rubber is no shield from it’s jaws. It was a fluid and frightening situation, if anything putting themselves in danger might be in question because it could have added to the tragedy. Something is f..d up when there is ‘outrage’ over a dead shark and not that of it’s human victim and family.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:16 pm
kowtow, you seem determined to shift the blame from the police to Parliament.
Parliaments laws clearly allow us to defend ourselves, including shooting someone, if that is reasonable. The police can’t accept that and are continually challenging it. They want exclusive rights to use force in our society. They are trying to remove the most fundamental human right. The right to protect our own lives.
In our laws, the police have no more rights to use deadly force than anyone else.
It is all about the circumstances justifying the use of force. The legal standard is not lower for the police. So why the huge difference between the way citizens are prosecuted and police ? There is no legal basis for that.
Can you imagine a private person killing someone for breaking windows with a golf club in a deserted street early in the morning and having no charges laid. Or maybe just killing a passing motorist… whoops… oh well, no charges.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Harriet
…”would it then be best for the Police to charge both with the likes of ‘verbal abuse’ ‘swearing into the presense of the public”….
If we got rid of these petty public nuisance laws that would scotch the problem from the word go. What we have is an unworkable plethora of crap law which neither the public nor the police fully understand served by an army of lawyers & judges charging inordinate amounts of coin to interpret the unknown.
The original duties of the police were to gather evidence & present it to a court….not to act as society’s referees & enforcers of law dreamt up by politicians too scared not to be seen to be “doing something”.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Harriet, globally the history of policing is one of brutality and corruption. NZ cops are one the best, but that is not saying much !
Every large scale oppression of peoples rights have involved the police. As has every single large scale murder of citizens. They are NOT there for the people, they ARE there for those in power. It is crawlers like you that allow it to happen, because you do not question authority and keep it honest.
Welcome to reality.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:23 pm
kea
Yoiu didn’t read the Stephen Franks notes did you?
The answers are there. And itis those who changed the law who are to blame .Parliament.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
It all reminds me of the time I stood before the Beak at the Lower Hutt Courthouse forty years ago:
Traffic Officer. “He was speeding your Honour”.
JohnBOY. “I wasn’t your Honour”.
Judge. “Case proven, fined $25, next case ”
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
It threatens their core line of business, namely protection. State protection of citizens is typically enforced militarily, historically both constable and sergeant are military ranks. When people are able to defend themselves they have to no use for the primary benefit of citizenship. If there’s one thing that the state doesn’t like, it’s the idea that it isn’t essential to the wellbeing of a people.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:27 pm
…they will take what ever the woman says as truth and throw the man out of his own home, or lock him up, or talk her into getting a protection order (they can take his guns then). They love to play the “White Knight”, especially if the woman is attractive.
What fucking planet do you live on Harriet ?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:27 pm
The UglyTruth has got it in one!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:30 pm
They simply are not able to change the law on self defence. Legislation and law are two different things.
And please don’t forget to blame the taxpayers and the voters next time.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Can any of the police apologists give me a link to the NZ legislation that provides special powers for the police to shoot and kill people ?
You can start looking here: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/
I am not talking about the legal right to carry firearms. They do have special powers in that regard.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:39 pm
“…This comes from the ladder climbing wankers higher up….’
In organisations like the police ‘protection of self’ is the first risk assesment when working. The millitary for the most part is too.
Those who get promoted have to stand up for those below them to earn the respect from the lower ranks. No one want’s to die on the job because of poor laws and proceedure.
Yes, I agree that the police using ‘safety’ as a defense can ‘force’ law change through the parliment. But they can also loose the respect of the public for doing so.
A case in point is alcohol reform, you will hear from some police through the media that “the constables hate having to deal with young drunks weekend after weekend.”
But the reality is that the Law does not get made to satisfy ‘the likes and dislikes of police on duty’. Drunk youngsters would remind them of that, so would most other people! And the safety of the police is then compromised.
And that is why we have senior police who are respected: they are the ones who think before they speak to the media and the minister.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Barring the Fire Brigade Harriet!
Fuck…I forgot that one….and the best case to support my arguement too….cheers JB.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Agreed. It is called “arse covering” and is the golden rule of those seeking promotion in government jobs.
They often appear contrived and insincere, which you describe as thinking.
So you think Clint Rickards , Brad Shipton, Bob Schollum. are respected ?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Speaking of law & order, I wonder where Griff is. I wonder if the cops found his plantation of [carbon neutral] weed ?
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
“….The original duties of the police were to gather evidence & present it to a court….not to act as society’s referees & enforcers of law…”
You mean like dead bodies and stuff from drunken road crashes?
Sure, I think that having a few beers and driving home safely -even over the limit- can be done. I did it in NZ in the early 80′s every fri/sat night. No crashes. No breath checks.
But only by some. Today’s young ones have a few beers and then drive home as dangerously and as fast as they can.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Peter Doone was greatly respected till he pissed off Helen!
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
He could be destroying the evidence by slow combustion Kea.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 4:02 pm
So you think Clint Rickards , Brad Shipton, Bob Schollum. are respected ?
Only by those who knew them and did nothing.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Harriet (1,235) Says:
March 3rd, 2013 at 4:02 pm
So you think Clint Rickards , Brad Shipton, Bob Schollum. are respected ?
Only by those who knew them and did nothing.
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Not so Harriet.+
there were those around here who knew that no good was being done but until there was a complaint that would hold up in court it was basically consensual.
Vote:Plenty of talk amoung the natives. Many knew but no one complained because of the power and control excerted expecially by Shipton. Only met him twice but fankly made my hackles stand up. Something about him and of course he was a big muscle bastard.
I know he was unofficially warned by one of his superiors here but he just shrugged his shoulders. That person went elsewhere and just recently told me about this.
March 3rd, 2013 at 5:54 pm
V2
Yes that would be right.I agree.
I probably worded it wrong. As you suggest there would be those who despised them but ‘could not’ do anything. It’s probably not a matter of corruption, more a case that if you don’t have the evidence you can’t do anything.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/8374537/Warriors-want-own-club-haka
For fuck’s sake aren’t we over the bloody Haka already?
What divine right do the Auckland Warriors have to hold up the game by ten minutes while they poke their tongues out, slit their throats and prance around rolling their ‘googly eyes’ at the opposition?
And you just know there will be ‘rules’ put in place that the opposition MUST stand there and meekly accept it….
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 7:03 pm
The entire legendary Queen Live Aid set:
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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Had to put in a auto water system.
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March 3rd, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Very good post via Facebook as to why Socialism and Socialist ideas like Obama’s don’t work.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Context is everything. If something is taken by force or duress then the system will eventually fail, but if something is taken because it is fair and just, then it can form a legitimate basis for the funding of government. Licencing is a such a legitimate form of funding, but the fraud the the state calls licencing is not what I’m talking about. An example of legitimate licensing is the licencing of commercial use of public property or the commercial use of public resources.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 pm
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6k8ok6rpctw8imk/Weevils.jpg?m
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Johnboy 9999
Vote:Change hands
March 3rd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we cannot eat money.
Vote:Who said that?
March 3rd, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Well then there is always sex.!.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:00 pm
As the pirate ship slipped into the harbour the captain spoke to his crew, “We’re going to kill all the men and rape all the women!”
He added, “For God’s sake, get it right this time.”
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Steve
I don’t think anyone knows…..it could be just a folk saying. In a similar vein take a look at http://www.mbedard.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=399
I’ve got about eight of his works as prints.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
A native american chief, from memory.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
wat dabney#
I know I’m gonna cop a lot of shit…but….I think freddy’s best work was the album he done with Montserrat Caballe – Barcelona.
He was a good artist and entertainer. Unfortunately he was another who died to young.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Hay everyone, Griff got bail
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Places to go.
http://screencast.com/t/p9MvrvGZiSf
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Griff it has been a bit too warm today for working. I have stayed inside with my coal powered air conditioning unit going flat out. The coal smoke stops a lot of the sunshine getting through, which is good, but obscures the sea view so I cant shoot at dolphins as easily. I probably got a few in the net though. There are a lot of those little buggers around at this time of year with the silly rounded dorsal fins.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:40 pm
No bites yet. Check your bait Kea.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
nasska, it will be because of his bail conditions.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I once worked on a fishing trawler for a week [my mate owned the boat]and we once caught a dolphin in a net – it was nearly dead.
So the cook on board cooked it, I thought it would taste disgusting but it was actually quite good. We had this mango salsa that went down well with it – and of course some beers.
I’d have it again.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Well I hope they’re not too hard on him Kea. Somehow I can’t imagine our friend as inmate of the month at Pare.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:55 pm
nasska, forget Griff, I am really in the shit !
I just checked my set net and found a heavily protected White Pointer Shark in it. Funny thing is, it was full of bullet holes.
I was hoping for some dolphin blubber to throw on the coal fire.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 pm
“We had this mango salsa that went down well with it – and of course some beers.
I’d have it again. ”
LOL
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Only way to cook the Panda ragout Kea.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Coal made whale oil obsolete.
Save Whales. Use more coal.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Harriet, whales are for EATING you silly thing.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
No one has bought up religion today – and it’s the Sabbath!
So I will
Genesis: 1: Genesis to Revelation (1969) Tony Banks, Anthony Phillips, Mike Rutherford, Chris Stewart, Peter Gabriel
Vote:Genesis: 2: Trespass (1970) Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Peter Gabriel, Mick Barnard, Phil Collins
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:32 pm
The Sabbath….I nearly forgot!
Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2kb5gvjefcnfnr5/Christianity%20explained%203.jpg?m
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
“Unfortunately he was another who died to young.”
Because he took it up the arse from numerous deviants.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Ahhhh back to normal again
I don’t think sodomy was his defining feature though Chucky, unlike priests for example.
Vote:March 3rd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
That’s the point – It’s still unfortunate that someone dies before they should, and yes Chuck I agree that he is a good example to others that there are risks in how one lives.
As Graham said last week – most Christians he knows and meets are contented and have fullfilling lives.
I agree that the Teachings of Christ are good to live by. Most religions who help gays ect change their lives have great success with that, because following Christ is a whole of body/whole of life change. Other types of counciling for the most part, only deal with certain issues – not with their ‘whole being’.
Vote:March 4th, 2013 at 6:52 am
A good read: http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/8841621/colonial-rules/
Vote:March 4th, 2013 at 6:56 am
The Russel Norman of American politics. An accomplished liar: http://michellemalkin.com/2013/03/01/wapo-obama-capitol-janitors/
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