General Debate 5 March 2013

March 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    I was invited to attend the ACT Southern Scenic Conference in Duneidn last Saturday which featured the two John Bs, Banks and Boscawen. It was very interesting and informative. Here are some of my impressions (more to follow):

    Act I, John Banks – better than edited TV sound bite recitals.
    Act II, John Boscawen – not as funny as Banks or as controversial as Hide but good communication.

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  2. RightNow (5,357) Says:

    Bit early to Spondre General Debate isn’t it Pete?

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  3. hmmokrightitis (1,238) Says:

    Bye bye Apple, Im over your stupidity.

    Today I throw my iPhone and replace it, not with the 5, but with an HTC One X. Two android phones, one Telecom, one VF, Galaxy S3 for the Telecom – have to when they are both your clients :)

    Apple, it was fun, but iOS 6 sucked the big kumera, and the maps debacle was the final straw. Mr Jobs will be turning in his grave at what youve become in such a short space of time.

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  4. Manolo (9,863) Says:

    The Oracle of Wellington, the Kiwi Einstein, the I-know-it-all, is not entirely pleased: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8381560/People-swayed-on-Morgans-cat-plan

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  5. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    RN – as usual for every vocal grizzler there are a lot of people who are silently interested.

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  6. Judith (2,492) Says:

    Pete George (16,507) Says:
    March 5th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    I guess a party like Act would need more ‘Johns’ than most others, given the amount of ‘shyte’ they generate. ;-)

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  7. Manolo (9,863) Says:

    A beast to be set free: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8380576/Victim-says-violent-criminal-will-hurt-someone

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  8. Peter (1,084) Says:

    Anyone know where the Might River Power pre-registration site is?

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  9. Keeping Stock (8,799) Says:

    Very good Judith, albeit a little Brash :D

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  10. Lipo (219) Says:

    Demise of Solid Energy

    There seems to be little debate or information in the media (was watching Campbell Live last night) asking why Solid Energy diversified into alternative energy sources and the low price for coal.
    My thoughts were
    1. Stories like this http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/8380942/Protesters-take-on-Fonterra-over-coal have been run continuously in the Media. No thoughts as to how the story affects the Coal industry and jobs. Solid Energy would have been under a bit of pressure to diversify into other energy sources
    2. How much money has Governments around the world thrown at “Green Energy” such as wind farms, solar power generation? How much money as our government subsidized alternative energy sources and then wonder why our coal industry goes tits up?

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  11. kowtow (4,386) Says:

    Isn’t equality and the media/govt language control issue great?

    Perusing my paper I see a Topp twin is to get “married” to her “fiancee”. Well that’s not possible as it’ a civil union.
    Then “fishers” (not fishermen) are up to something or other.
    And the photo of the 2 cops outside the Queens London hospital shows a tall man and a dwarf policewoman.(Equality allows females entry on a lower standard).

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  12. WineOh (143) Says:

    Peter +1, I couldn’t find it either, perhaps it hits later today?

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  13. hj (3,778) Says:

    Language learning should be mandatory

    New Zealand has reached a rare level of diversity with 160 languages spoken by residents, but completely lacks a plan to harness the social and economic benefits of multilingualism, a paper released today says.

    The Royal Society of New Zealand paper highlights that over the past two decades New Zealand has become a “superdiverse” country, with a level of cultural complexity far greater than previously experienced.
    / /
    The costs of a monolingual society were high, such as reduced international trade, weaker integration of immigrants, and the potential decline or loss of indigenous languages.

    Royal Society vice-president of the social sciences and humanities Richard Le Heron said the research outlined a strong case for a national languages policy in New Zealand.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10869226

    If the arguments are as strong as the interviewee on Morning Report state he didn’t make his case as far as I can see. He spoke of our unique setting with biculturalism and the Treaty of Waitangi. I smell an agenda here.

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  14. hj (3,778) Says:

    I don’t suppose the humanities people would consider the formulation of a universal language as being a good idea…? No only a dummy would think of a thing like that!

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  15. ex-golfer (67) Says:

    The website will be launched at 10.30am.
    Your broker can also help and they are not allowed to charge brokerage fees.

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  16. Judith (2,492) Says:

    Roger KS, I’m not one to Hide my feelings! ;-)

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  17. Peter (1,084) Says:

    Typical National standard of communication.

    I see references to “the website” on their press release regarding Mighty River, but no URL anywhere.

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  18. ex-golfer (67) Says:

    http://Www.governmentshareoffers.govt.nz

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  19. hj (3,778) Says:

    Whenever I think of the Spoonley (“super diversity”) crowd I’m reminded of the paint department at Mitre 10. Here is the white pot which is no good until it is tinted (all the others are o.k).

    Landmarks Professor Kenneth Cumberland:

    Kings of the Tussock Country.
    Bold young men drove sheep on to the vast grazing runs to found pastrol empires and land owing dynasties. Out of the wealth of the squatters’ wool clips, and from wheat when the tussock was ploughed, grew a city of scholarship, grace and dignity.

    Spoonley:

    One thing he is clear about is that the demographic changes set to occur in Christchurch could transform the city infamous for its white supremacist National Front movement. While Christchurch does have small ethnic enclaves, hosting lantern festivals for Chinese New Year and Diwali festivals for the Indian community, the scale of the anticipated migrant influx is unparalleled in its history.

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  20. RightNow (5,357) Says:

    Pete: “RN – as usual for every vocal grizzler there are a lot of people who are silently interested”
    Are they silently interested enough to visit your blog Pete? Because if they’re as interested as you think then why do you have to tout for business on KB?

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  21. hj (3,778) Says:

    “The Oracle of Wellington, the Kiwi Einstein, the I-know-it-all, ”

    he sure does his research. Perhaps you’d prefer something spewed out of Koch Central … “it’s all caused by greenies interfering with the market”?

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  22. Manolo (9,863) Says:

    Anything is possible after the Messiah won it. Going downhill quickly: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8620918/malala-clinton-cited-as-nobel-candidates

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  23. graham (1,897) Says:

    Anyone know what the details are around buying the Mighty River shares for your kids?

    ** Edit: Found the answer – yes you can. :) **

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  24. hinamanu (2,347) Says:

    ALL WARS ARE STARTED BY BANKERS

    “The refusal of King George 3rd to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, was probably the prime cause of the revolution.” — Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/all-wars-are-started-by-bankers/

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  25. hinamanu (2,347) Says:

    The Commander-in-Thief begs for more pork

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/the-commander-in-thief-begs-for-more-pork.html

    he actually talks about manufactured crises…thought that would be a no no to go public with

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  26. alex Masterley (1,141) Says:

    Graham @ 9.50

    The broker was prepped yesterday. Me and 2 kids will be in line for shares.

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  27. hinamanu (2,347) Says:

    Port Royal, the pirate city

    The biggest, richest English city in the New World of the 17th century was a place called Port Royal in Jamaica. An earthquake and tsunami destroyed it.

    It was chartered by the British Crown specifically to serve as a base of operations for piracy against the Spanish.

    Early New World history can be summed up in a few short sentences:

    The Spanish stole from the Native people, the British stole from the Spanish, and when the gold and silver ran out, they started dealing in slaves and prison camp plantations.

    It’s not as inspiring at the Pilgrim’s landing on Plymouth rock.

    Alcoholic sadists committing crimes in the service of their governments while lining their own pockets. Kind of sounds like today’s CIA, doesn’t it?

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/hidden-history/the-british-crowns-biggest-business.html

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  28. iMP (1,307) Says:

    For those who haven’t seen this yet, lift your day. Smeagol (Gollum) has launched a singing career. Just preciouss.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/smeagol-launches-precious-singing-career/

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  29. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    RN – there’s this thing with the Internet where you have to let people known what you have. Even Whale and DPF do that through Facebook and Twitter. Many people just browse around, not everyone wants to restrict what’s on someone else’s blog to just what they want to see.

    And people who are interested sometimes let you know, like:

    ACT Party ‏@actparty
    @PeteDGeorge Thanks for the considered posts. Fav line “He couldn’t afford me.”- Gold!

    That was referring to: http://yournz.org/2013/03/05/act-ii-john-boscawen/

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  30. hj (3,778) Says:

    @ hinamanu

    “In the first half of the nineteenth century, however, individual iwi considered carrying their martial culture beyond the shores of New Zealand. At least three expeditions of conquest were planned: to Samoa, to Norfolk Island, and to the Chatham Islands, which did not become part of New Zealand until 1842. All these proposed expeditions were dependent on finding transport to those places: and that meant finding a European ship’s captain whose vessel was available for charter; or it meant Maori commandeering a vessel for the purpose.
    In the event there were no expeditions to Norfolk Island or to Samoa because the necessary transport was not secured. But there was an invasion of the Chathams Islands. Two Taranaki tribes then based in Wellington, Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga ki Poneke, hijacked a European vessel in 1835 and had themselves—a total of 900 people—delivered to Chatham Islands. There they takahi’d or walked the land to claim it; ritually killed around 300 Chatham Moriori out of a total of around 1600, and enslaved the survivors—separating husbands from wives, parents from children, forbidding them to speak their own language or practise their own customs, and forcing them to violate the tapus of their culture, whose mana was based on the rejection of violence.
    Was this a superior form of colonisation to that imposed by European on Maori? Did it respect the dignity and customs of the colonised? Did it acknowledge the mana whenua of the tchakat henu or indigenous people of the Chathams? It did not. It was what might now be called an exercise in ethnic cleansing. When Bishop Selwyn arrived in the islands in 1848, it was to discover that the Maori called Moriori “Paraiwhara” or “Blackfellas”; and it was to report that the Moriori population continued to decline at a suicidal rate as a consequence of kongenge or despair. Moriori slaves were not released and New Zealand law was not established on the islands until 1862, twenty years after they had become part of New Zealand. And it is that twenty years of neglect of fiduciary duty on the part of the Crown that is the basis for the Moriori claim to the Waitangi Tribunal, heard in 1994, but still not reported upon.
    The point in raising the Chathams experience is not to use it as a stick with which to beat Maori—especially in view of what I have been saying about not visiting the sins of the fathers, or mothers, onto subsequent generations. I draw attention to it in the spirit of a historian who says, Take care. The evidence of history is unanimous on only one point. It shows us that no race or culture is inherently superior or inferior to another; and we all have skeletons in our ancestral closets that represent instances of behaviour of which we cannot be wholly proud by today’s standards of ethics and morality.

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  31. hj (3,778) Says:

    Allegience to one ‘s origins
    http://sof.org.nz/origins.htm

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  32. hj (3,778) Says:

    Two Taranaki tribes then based in Wellington, Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga ki Poneke, hijacked a European vessel in 1835

    not very famous is it ? Of course one needs to remove one’s eye’s to see it all through the correct cultural perspective.

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  33. hj (3,778) Says:

    @ hinamanu
    I’m reading Into Africa (about Stanley and Livingstone). The Arab slave traders are afraid of the British and wont pass on Livingstone’s letters home as they threaten the slave trade.
    http://www.amazon.com/Into-Africa-Adventures-Stanley-Livingstone/dp/0767910745

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  34. Keeping Stock (8,799) Says:

    Judith said

    Roger KS, I’m not one to Hide my feelings! ;-)

    There’s a lamington on its way to you; duck!

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  35. hj (3,778) Says:

    “Behold: Two houses with adjoining backyards in suburban Orlando,” writes Angie Schmitt. “If you want to travel the streets from point A on Anna Catherine Drive to point B on Summer Rain Drive, which are only 50 feet apart, you’ll have to go a minimum of seven miles. The trip would take almost twenty minutes in a car, according to Google Maps.”
    http://www.planetizen.com/node/60985

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  36. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    MRP shares – get in early and you may get more shares.

    Those who pre-register may be allocated up to 25 per cent more shares than people who do not pre-register, if demand exceeds shares available.

    “The Government is committed to ensuring New Zealanders will be at the front of the queue for shares,” Mr English says.

    “We’ve already announced that New Zealanders applying for up to $2000 of shares will be guaranteed that amount. However, if demand exceeds the number of shares available, then New Zealanders who request more than $2000 worth will have their bid scaled back.

    “In that case, those who pre-registered may get up to 25% more shares than those who did not.”

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1303/S00055/incentive-for-kiwis-pre-registering-for-mrp.htm

    Sounds reasonable, helps them evaluate demand and helps ordinary investors to get a decent share ahead of the big local and Australian buyers.

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  37. meh (148) Says:

    Pre-register for your shares now :p

    http://www.mightyrivershares.govt.nz/

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  38. hj (3,778) Says:

    @ Pete George

    His base philosphy was clear and simple – every child should have two things, unconditional love and a good education. If that can be provided it will flow through and address many problems. It’s something that may take generations to bear fruit but the end harvest is worth it.
    …….
    and he sees Aucklands population growth as a “great oppurtunity ” for his developer and investor friends and wants to take the chainsaw to the RMA so Bill the developer can build a high rise smack in front of Mildred the widow.

    Peter Dunne will be their helping. Mr Sensible knows which side his bread is buttered on.

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  39. ex-golfer (67) Says:

    http://Www.mightyrivershares.govt.nz
    Here you go peeps.

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  40. Jack5 (3,019) Says:

    Swiss show the way for capitalism to go!

    As well as making a fortune capping the Swiss franc, they have voted to cap all executive pay on Swiss registered companies. This follows Swiss banking giant, USB, having to be bailed out by the Swiss Government.

    NZ could do much worse than follow Switzerland, given NZ’s bailout of finance companies, and the fiasco of Solid Energy, with its glut of high paid executives (especially annual millionaire Don Elder).

    Redbaiter and libertarians will froth at this, but you have to admit the Swiss have been far better than NZ economically. While staying outside the EU, they have created an economy twice as big as NZ’s in GDP per capita.

    If we take ACT as the nearest feasible choice for libertarians, you will find this party encompasses many decent and clever people, but also many frothers, like the Christchurch fanatics from the ZAP cult, an offshoot of Scientology. They fervently proclaimed the philosophy of mad Ayn Rand, but many of them had been through one or more business failures. I use the past tense, because I’m not sure if ZAP is still in existence. Dave Henderson was one of the principal sponsors of ACT in the south. His latest business belly ups cost creditors tens of millions, with the poor bloody taxpayer probably picking up some of the bill through guarantees of lenders.

    Intelligently regulated capitalism is the way to go.

    The Swiss cap:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-editorialists-welcome-swiss-referendum-on-executive-pay-a-886741.html

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  41. graham (1,897) Says:

    Bit slo-o-w trying to pre-register …

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  42. meh (148) Says:

    @graham also the site bombs in google chrome (for me anyway). Still not too slow, registered me the mrs and the little one all in a few minutes :D

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  43. Peter (1,084) Says:

    Thx

    Ah, the glorious state service. Shouldn’t this have defaulted to New Zealand as country of residence? ;)

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  44. Fletch (4,298) Says:

    I posted this late yesterday (so not sure how many people saw), but thought it worth posting again.

    Whenever anyone here says something to the effect that same-sex marriage will lead to polygamy, or multiple partners, we get shouted down and told the very idea is ridiculous – yet the very thing has been put forward in Australia – by a group whose leaders are also part of the Greens.

    Someone just pointed out this blog post by Andrew Bolt on the Herald Sun page regarding what Liberal Senator Cory Bernadi said -

    Senator Cory Bernardi was last year pilloried:

    LIBERAL senator Cory Bernardi says he decided to resign as Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s parliamentary secretary for the good of the Coalition…

    Speaking on a gay marriage Bill in Federal Parliament last night, Mr Bernardi said: “Time and time again the same characters seek to tear down our institutions that have been built and have sustained our civilisation for thousands of years. The time has come to ask: when will it end?

    “What is the next step?

    “The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society or any other type of relationship.”

    Senator Bernardi went on to say accepting gay marriage could lead to accepting bestiality.

    “There are even some creepy people out there and I say ‘creepy’ deliberately who are unfortunately afforded a great deal more respect than I believe they deserve,” he said.

    Linking same-sex marriage to bestiality was offensive and a political howler. But in the Senate last week Bernardi gave fresh evidence suggesting his warning was well-founded when it came to polygamy:

    Three weeks ago Sydney’s City Hub reported on the establishment of the Polyamory Action Lobby, or PAL… And sure enough, PAL recently started a petition which reads:

    The House of Representatives For too long has Australia denied people the right to marry the ones they care about. We find this abhorrent. We believe that everyone should be allowed to marry their partners, and that the law should never be a barrier to love. And that’s why we demand nothing less than the full recognition of polyamorous families.

    So here we have it: a polyamorist lobby group petitioning parliament to allow polygamous marriage. To some, five months ago this was inconceivable….

    But who is behind the Polyamory Action Lobby? PAL’s president is Brigitte Garozzo. PAL’s spokesman is Timothy Scriven. And Kieran Adair is also one of PAL’s founders. And what do these militant polyamorists have in common? I will tell you. They are all associated with the Greens. Brigitte Garozzo, also known as Brigitte McFadden is listed as the contact officer for the New South Wales Young Greens at the University of Sydney. Timothy Scriven describes his political views as ‘anarchism and revolutionary libertarian socialism’, though the University of Sydney Greens Facebook page last year said:

    Timothy Scriven is an active member of the Greens on Campus and on our executive…

    Kieran Adair’s Twitter profile promotes the 2011 Greens New South Wales election campaign. Further, a ‘Kieran Adair’ said, on the New Matilda website when commenting on the 2011 annual Marxist conference, ‘I don’t identify as a socialist; I’m a Green.’…

    Polyamorous marriage is on the agenda. Greens activists are now pushing publicly for it while other polyamorists are lying low, waiting to be the next cab off the rank—no doubt, I suspect, having been given a nod and a wink by other Greens, who are still advocating marriage for all.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/bernardi_dumped_yet_polyandrists_prove_him_right/

    So there you have it.
    Laugh all you want and say that just because there are arguments for same-sex marriage, that there won’t be for polygamist couplings. There’s a push for it in Australia, however, and it could happen here.

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  45. graham (1,897) Says:

    Thanks meh, will keep trying.

    I guess the Greens and Penny Bright didn’t have that much success turning people off!

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  46. hinamanu (2,347) Says:

    ANONYMOUS RESPONDS To President Obama Saying That Hacktivists are ‘America’s enemies’ [VIDEO]

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/anonymous-responds-to-president-obama-saying-that-hacktivists-are-americas-enemies-video/

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  47. Fletch (4,298) Says:

    So, Obama says he can’t afford to pay the sequester, but now he’s giving $450 Million to Egypt (essentially giving it to the Muslim Brotherhood, the enemy of the U.S)

    Published March 03, 2013 Associated Press

    CAIRO – U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says the Obama administration is rewarding the Egyptian government with financial aid because of Cairo’s promises of economic and political reforms.

    Kerry says the U.S. is providing $190 million immediately as part of a larger pledge of $450 million over time.

    Kerry says the money reflects Egypt’s “extreme needs” and President Mohammed Morsi’s commitment to satisfying conditions to close a $4.8 billion package of International Monetary Fund loans.

    Kerry also says that a separate $60 million is for a new fund to provide direct support to Egyptian entrepreneurs and young people.

    The announcement of the aid came after Kerry’s meeting Sunday with Morsi.

    Kerry is awarding them this money because of ‘promises’ of reform? Really? Why are politicians so stupid?

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  48. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (722) Says:

    does anyone have any idea what the bonus for MRP shares might be?
    I remember talk of it being after 3 years but cant find anything apart from a quick John Key comment

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  49. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Jack5

    Like Singapore, Switzerland is not strictly a welfare state, that is why it is more successful. There is no national health service and most of the population is covered by voluntary health insurance.

    There is also no central program to provide a minimum guaranteed income for all of the population (other than for the aged and infirm) as found in England, Norway, and Sweden.

    Government policies have all but eliminated welfare dependency.

    Its not hard to figure out why Switzerland works, its because the country is not like NZ burdened by a huge sector of society that is totally unproductive- ie welfare recipients and bureaucrats.

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  50. Peter (1,084) Says:

    Ho ho

    The webpage at http://www.mightyrivershares.govt.nz/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
    Error 103 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_ABORTED): Unknown error.

    Piss up. Brewery.

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  51. Elaycee (3,494) Says:

    Peter:

    Piss up. Brewery.

    I’ve just checked it – no problems.

    Perhaps in your case its due to a disconnect between the keyboard and the data entry operator…

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  52. graham (1,897) Says:

    Seems to be sporadic, and only one of the three confirmation emails has come through to me so far (me, wife, daughter). Probably due to a large number of Green supporters rushing to register their displeasure at the sale. :)

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  53. Peter (1,084) Says:

    Yeah, Elaycee, like I just made up a 103 error ;)

    When I ping it, there is a lot of packet loss. It’s flipping in and out under the load.

    State “service”, eh. Haven’t they heard of Amazon EC2?

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  54. cha (2,320) Says:

    There is no national health service and most of the population is covered by voluntary health insurance.

    Arse, health insurance is compulsory in Switzerland and insurers are required to offer coverage to all citizens, regardless of age or medical history.

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  55. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    and he sees Aucklands population growth as a “great oppurtunity ” for his developer and investor friends and wants to take the chainsaw to the RMA so Bill the developer can build a high rise smack in front of Mildred the widow.

    It’s in front of Mildred the widow or on top of Mildred the cow.

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  56. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Learn to read fuckwit- the basic system is necessary unless you choose to upgrade, which is what most people prefer.

    Interesting- one of the few times you offer a view of your own and you fuck it up completely.

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  57. Fletch (4,298) Says:

    RB mentioned Sweden in passing a few posts ago, which reminds me of a post HERE that shows that the Socialists in Sweden are now more Capitalist than the U.S.

    Sweden also managed to get it’s debt under control, according to The Economist (which is quoted in the above link) –

    Sweden has also donned the golden straitjacket of fiscal orthodoxy with its pledge to produce a fiscal surplus over the economic cycle. Its public debt fell from 70% of GDP in 1993 to 37% in 2010, and its budget moved from an 11% deficit to a surplus of 0.3% over the same period.

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  58. cha (2,320) Says:

    If you could read you’d know that there is no basic government system in Switzerland. If people resist purchasing their own insurance the state will buy a health plan on their behalf and send them the bill.

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  59. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Bottom line Cha- Switzerland works because like Singapore, there are no socialist preachers ensnaring the gullible (that’s you and most of NZ) with their phony evil and failed doctrine

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  60. Carlos (613) Says:

    So, by default our media is predominantly left wing, but when a program strays from the default and only presents a “right wing” view on an issue, it breaches broadcasting standards. Terrible.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10869297

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  61. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Carlos- You are perfectly correct.

    The BSA is just the plaything of progressives. A fake and hypocritical sop to the fucking whining bitching loser commie totalitarians in our midst. It is a disgrace, and this decision shows why.

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  62. cha (2,320) Says:

    Bottom line is – Switzerland works because like Singapore citizens accept and follow state proscribed mandates.

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  63. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Hahha.. and NZ of course, being the failed socialist state that pseudo liberals like you have made it, is completely devoid of “state proscribed mandates”.

    Go back to links Cha- you’re hopeless in your own words.

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  64. Fletch (4,298) Says:

    More on the Polyamory Action Lobby just set up in Australia –

    The lobby contends there is no reason adults should not be able to form committed relationships with more than one person, and there is no evidence that smaller families are any better off.

    “Polyamory often isn’t a choice; if people love more than one person, they can’t help it,” the spokesperson said. “Even if they could [choose], why would it matter?”
    As far as the law is concerned, the lobby said the government should not have the right to restrict consenting adult relationships based on love and respect.

    “The legal, health and financial protections enjoyed by a spouse in a monogamous relationship must be extended to all partners in a family,” the spokesperson said. “A family should be about security, stability and love; not about its structure.”

    http://www.altmedia.net.au/polyamorists-get-organised/69802

    All sounds very nice and inclusive doesn’t it.
    I can think of any number of reasons “why it would matter”.

    Here is their Petition to the House of Representatives and their Facebook page.

    They have a comment on their page by Cory Bernardi –

    “It is worth noting that in the Netherlands the first civil union of three partners was registered in 2005. It is naive and wrong to think that the same push will not come to Australia.”

    To which the Facebook admin replies –

    Couldn’t agree more – thanks for your support patriot!

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  65. cha (2,320) Says:

    I know you’re terrified of what that world contains and RB and constantly fearful but I suppose a shrunken and semi functional frontal lobe, responsible for logic, reasoning, and self-control, leaves you with no option but to behave like a toddler.

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  66. Manolo (9,863) Says:

    The complete waste of space the UN is: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8621077/us-calls-on-un-to-bar-drunken-diplomats

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  67. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Cha, you just said that the reasons for Singapore and Switzerland’s success was that they followed the state’s dictates. Presumably as Catholics follow the dictates of the pope. Yet here in NZ we have a surfeit of dictates from the state, and yet everything is mush. So the key to success cannot be the dictates of the state.

    In fact in Switzerland, it is the localisation of government that is the key. Here is an example. (maybe you can cogitate on it when you get over draeaming up childish off the point insults. As I said, maybe you should give up on self expression entirely and just stick with links to other people’s work)

    Solo mothers-

    Officials from this ultra-small local government will come and investigate your individual circumstances. The father will be expected to pay. The mother’s family, if it is in a position to, will be expected to house and pay for her. As a last resort, the young mother will be given assistance by the commune. But the people who pay the local commune taxes will be paying part of the cost. You can imagine that they will not be thrilled at paying for a birth or separation that need never have taken place. Putting yourself in the position of the mother — and perhaps the father — you can imagine that you will be embarrassed as you pass people in the street who are paying for your baby. Instead of feeling you have impersonal legal rights, as in Britain, you are taking money from people you might meet at your local café. No wonder unmarried parenting is less common.

    A similar system applies if you need means-tested benefits. Those made redundant receive, for a while, generous unemployment insurance payments from the cantonal governments. But once these payments run out, people depend again on their local commune. You would be cautious of claiming fraudulently because, if you worked in the black economy, your chances of being spotted would be high. And so it is that Switzerland has the second highest rate of male employment in the OECD. Britain’s rate is about 50 per cent worse.

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  68. hinamanu (2,347) Says:

    World economy to bear burden of Washington’s sequester

    From Fiscal Cliff to Sequester

    Published on Mar 2, 2013

    Austerity has hit the United States as President Barack Obama signed into law a directive ushering in significant cuts to federal agencies’ budgets and triggering the sequester that has been debated in Washington during the last several weeks. Automatic cuts will slash Washington’s military and domestic spending by 85 billion dollars in 2013.

    RT’s Gayane Chichakyan takes a look at why this could prove a headache in the US and beyond.

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  69. hinamanu (2,347) Says:

    Truth on Trial: ‘Manning did amazing service to people’

    Published on Mar 1, 2013

    U.S. army whistleblower Bradley Manning could get 20 years in prison for what he describes as an attempt to reveal ‘the bloodlust’ and disregard for human life in the American military. Manning pleaded guilty to 10 lesser charges out of 22 he’s facing for the biggest leak of state secrets in U.S. history.

    Former MI5 agent Annie Machon says Manning has done the people a great service, at least to those who struggled to reveal the truth behind U.S. helicopter attacks in Iraq.

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  70. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    Warning on the Share Float from someone who may not be a business expert:

    Given the proximity of these events – Mighty River float, Solid Energy collapse – it’s a little weird that the opposition aren’t more focused on the fact that the government is giving New Zealanders terrible investment advice that could cost them a lot of money. I guess the objection to the sale has always been in economic nationalist terms, so it would sound odd if they turned around and told kiwis not to invest in these assets. But it seems like someone should.

    http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/the-elephant-in-the-river/

    Most advice I’ve seen is that it is likely to be a sound investment. There’s a reason why MRP is the SOE being floated, not Solid Energy.

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  71. axeman (199) Says:

    Never mind the CAGW hoax maniacally promoted down here by the ALARMISTS’ useful stoner idiot, in Europe they are seeing another Doomsday scenario

    http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/ice-world-record-snowfalls-inundates-cities-across-the-globe/

    “It’s quite simple. We are within the transitionary period of entering into the next Ice Age.

    I’m not trying to convince anyone. If you know how to discern truth from fiction, I suggest you do your own research, read the scientific journals. See what Russia’s most prominent scientific team had to say after returning from Siberia where they studied the permafrost in January 2013. I’ll give you a hint…Methane cometh!

    Ask yourself, why this may be the first time you’ve heard a “crack pot” suggest an Ice Age as opposed to all of the other theories that have been targeted at you. Well, “they” are good at keeping reality from you and giving you something else to experience.

    Godspeed from Northern Finland!”

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  72. Ross12 (407) Says:

    What a sham. A Public Servant resigns and gets severance pay ??

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/16297469/more-than-400k-pay-out-for-longstone/

    Fair enough to get outstanding holiday pay etc but if you resign thats it. Or is severance pay, code for she was pushed out –if thats the case Rennie should honest and say so.

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  73. Griff (4,891) Says:

    Axenuckle you really are a prime fucknuckle are you not.
    Warmer air carries more moisture if it is above 0 it falls as rain if its bellow 0 it falls as snow.
    Hence in cold places global warming = more snow.
    Moscow has had record snow as well as warm for them -1 not -10 temperatures.
    Still you morons keep me laughing :lol: keep on spinning nutters.

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  74. Left Right and Centre (707) Says:

    comment designed to cause you outrage:

    my job seeking efforts today:

    firstly; the potential employer tells me the company life story- um yeah- maybe if I’m being paid to care about that I’ll listen to it but anyway-

    then:

    employer: you’re not afraid of hard work, are you?
    me: yes, yeah actually I am.
    employer: well, mumble mumble ‘not right for this kind of…’ mumble something *see you later*

    I run and lift weights and I know what hard paid work feels like too.

    Wasting my time mate!! Far out.. make an offer… and what am I getting in return for my back-breaking painstaking honest days drudgery driving a truck sharing space with a road full of spazturds? It might be worth the wage rate.. I’ll never know if they won’t tell me what they’re paying (even though you’ve got an idea of the pay range).

    These cunts want perfect squeaky clean highly productive humanoids…. so you want good workers, but how does the old saying go? You get what you pay for. Next interview that’s the first thing I’m going to say when the topic of remuneration comes up. You get what you fucking pay for. Pay peanuts.. you get monkeys. Pay a decent wage? You might just motivate people to work hard and be super perfect and satisfied.

    You’re not scared of hard work are you? And you’re not scared of paying a good wage in return, are you? Fuck me.. next time is when I’ll let that line rip. Next time. Are you prepared to work hard and do this this and this at all times? I’ll say… you get what you pay for… so what are you paying? I’m here for $$ and that’s fuckin it. There aint no other reason to turn up to some shitarse deadend prison sentence.

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  75. Left Right and Centre (707) Says:

    And now thanks to Redbaiter I’ve just got to try and better understand what exactly and definitively ‘progressives’ are meant to be and all they entail and encompass….

    I had no idea I knew and used the word encompass…. what a great word too….

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  76. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    Progressives in all of their unshackled glory-

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/how-the-democrats-destroyed-detroit/

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  77. bhudson (3,500) Says:

    A Labour MP complaining about a ‘golden handshake’…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8383970/Education-boss-425-000-golden-handshake

    Now that’s rich!!

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  78. publicwatchdog (1,364) Says:

    BOYCOTT THE MIGHTY RIVER POWER SHARE LAUNCH!

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151278679961790&set=pcb.10151278680136790&type=1&theater

    MIGHTY RIVER POWER IS A SOCIALLY AND FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT!

    Hi Kiwibloggers!

    Seen this?

    “Press Release, Molly Melhuish, Energy Analyst
    22 February 2013

    Prospective investors are warned

    Investors are warned that Mighty River Power is no longer a safe, utility-type investment prospect.

    For years, New Zealand’s generator-retailers enjoyed a predictable revenue stream from captive residential consumers. This enabled them to build so many new power stations that there is now a glut of wholesale electricity. Wholesale prices have fallen by a quarter or even more.

    Mighty River Power’s power purchase costs fell by 22% in the last six months, yet they hiked retail prices by 2%. They had to, to maintain the dividend stream expected by their shareholder.

    Residential consumers will no longer tolerate rising prices at a time when wholesale prices are falling. This is not market pricing, it is price gouging of captive consumers.

    Investors are warned that consumers dispute the pricing process that made our prices rise “to enable new generation to be built”, but fails to give us the benefit of market pricing in an electricity glut.

    Ends
    Contact: 04 568 4873, 027 230 5911

    Yours sincerely,”
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    Forwarded in the public interest.

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    A Spokesperson for the Switch Off Mercury Energy group.

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  79. RRM (7,207) Says:

    Thanks for the investment advice Penny!

    :lol: LOL

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  80. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    Green MP Jan Logie has blogged:

    Welfare cuts challenged by the UN

    “UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights and the working group on discrimination against women are warning the cuts could have a detrimental effect on the human rights of up to 100,000 Australians, and could be contrary to some of Australia’s international obligations.”

    Last year, New Zealand was also warned that the National Government’s welfare reforms amount to discrimination. The UN committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights said that the last round of welfare changes were inconsistent with international obligations and that the Government should reconsider work tests for single parents with children over five.

    The Minister said she would consider the committee’s recommendations but clearly decided her view was more valid than that of the panel of international human rights experts, because nothing changed.

    The next wave of welfare reforms, about to be reported back from select committee, raised several more breaches of human rights. Enforcing a ‘social obligation’ on beneficiary families is discrimination on the basis of employment and family status, and as I have written previously breaches UNCROC multiple times.

    Further, the drug testing in the proposal is potentially inconsistent with the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure and the right to refuse medical treatment. I also have grave concerns about whether the changes will also be inconsistent with the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities.

    Does the UN scrutunise all our legislation? Or does someone in New Zealand advise them of anything they think thjere could be an issue with?

    Maybe the Greens wil find a part of the UN that will tell us not to part sell assets.

    This raises issues about democracy and sovereignty, as well as the logistics and time involved in getting any potentially contentious legislation checked out by an international body that may or may nor be familiar with New Zealand law and parliamentary practices.

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  81. Elaycee (3,494) Says:

    Update from Stuff’s online poll: Rate the Government’s plan to partially sell Mighty River Power:

    It’s good – I’ll be buying shares: 3181 votes, 61.6%

    It’s good – but I won’t/can’t afford to buy shares: 432 votes, 8.4%

    It’s bad – not the right time to float Mighty River Power: 103 votes, 2.0%

    It’s bad – I oppose state asset sales: 1445 votes, 28.0%

    Total 5161 votes

    Mmmm – this poll is hardly scientific, but it indicates 70% support…. so what happened to the claim that ~80% of voters were against partial asset sales?
    :D

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  82. stigie (111) Says:

    Just looked at a poll on Stuff.co.nz

    People who want or are going to buy shares in MRP 60.6%
    People who oppose the asset sales in MRP 28.0%

    Well, what do you say to that you Lefties !!

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  83. ex-golfer (67) Says:

    Sorry Penny
    Over 60% of New Zealanders disagree with you according to today’s Stuff poll.
    But thanks for attempting (failing) to drive the price down – it simply means I’ll get more shares for my money!

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  84. ex-golfer (67) Says:

    http://www.dimpost.wordpress.com
    Is that Penny’s new blog? The name is quite appropriate :)

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  85. axeman (199) Says:

    Oh dear GRIEF. instantaneous frothing at the mouth. AGAIN. :-) In fact my post was alluding to the fact that while ALARMIST useful idiots like you and your deceitful “conspirawhacky” “nutters” at Sceptical Science fester your global warming hoax theory, there are others at the opposite end of the spectrum who are predicting an upcoming Ice Age.

    However then we had your ‘Stoner’s Guide To Scientific Analysis’
    “Warmer air carries more moisture if it is above 0 it falls as rain if its bellow 0 it falls as snow. Hence in cold places global warming = more snow”

    Was that a result of one of your 4th form science experiments gwiffy? :-)

    Meanwhile in the adult world, a scientific paper was published in this February’s Journal of Climate that found warmer temperatures cause less snow, and conversely, colder temperatures cause more snow. According to the authors, “Using a simple multivariate model, [increased] temperature is shown to drive these trends by decreasing snowfall almost everywhere.” The paper refutes the claims of climate alarmists that global warming causes more snow.

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/new-paper-finds-warming-causes-less-snow.html

    Of course griffucknuckle is not the only ALARMIST nutjob blaming the FREEZING WINTERS on global warming. It seems that every time they get some snow, another “scientist” is wheeled out to explain that, no matter how cold it gets, it is all down to global warming

    http://www.climatedepot.com/a/19599/Climate-Astrology-Blizzard-blamed-on-global-warming-Is-there-any-weather-event–that-is-inconsistent-with-global-warming–Climate-Depot-Round-up

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  86. ex-golfer (67) Says:

    Hypocrisy watch: Was on bus home today and on hopped Dr (?) Russell Norman, dressed in jeans, suede boots and a hippy looking shirt. Obviously a busy day at the office.
    Anyway – he was with some guy in a suit who kept going on about 8 years of his life wasted on the climate change myth.
    Russell then proclaimed his distress for the people of Northland and the Waikato for suffering under the struggles of a drought.
    Excuse me? This from the leader of a party that opposes any irrigation plan that is developed to feed much required water to the food/export producing farms of these regions.
    What a tosser.

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  87. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    so what happened to the claim that ~80% of voters were against partial asset sales?

    As far as I could see that was unsubstantiated. I asked someone from Colmar Brunton and he had no idea where the 80% came from either, except from Shearer and Cosgrove.

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  88. Kea (4,311) Says:

    axeman, Griff has totally lost it, if indeed he ever had it. He is telling us warm weather makes it snow and has just thrown his hat in with those who reckon cops don’t give bad buggers a bit of a beating from time to time. He seems to be getting worse too ! :)

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  89. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    “He is telling us warm weather makes it snow”

    That has some truth to it – clear settled anticyclonic weather is colder than snow weather. It’s not unusual to have very cold frosty weather and then for it to warm up and snow.

    After a very cold frosty period it often gets unusually warm prior to snow here as the trailing perimeter of an anticyclone draws warmer air from the tropics before being hit by a cold front coming up from the south – which is not as cold as the frosty weather that may precede it and often follows it as the weather settles and clears again.

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  90. Reid (13,563) Says:

    Even though I’m a firm conservative, this is food for thought. I recall a colleague telling me in the 90′s the wealth distribution across the world was around what it was in France during the French Revolution. In the 90′s. It’s just got worse since then and the thinking person, who seem increasingly rare, might wonder if this is a good thing, or a bad thing?

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  91. Steve (North Shore) (3,644) Says:

    Misinformation. Warmer weather makes it snow.

    Well of course it does,if you live in Anchorage. How the fuck can it snow at -30 deg C? They have been waiting for the warming.
    Fur Rondy, Iditarod that sort of stuff

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  92. Redbaiter (2,999) Says:

    “I asked someone from Colmar Brunton and he had no idea where the 80% came from either, except from Shearer and Cosgrove.”

    80% of statistical claims are made up on the spot.

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  93. axeman (199) Says:

    “That has some truth to it – clear settled anticyclonic weather is colder than snow weather. It’s not unusual to have very cold frosty weather and then for it to warm up and snow. ”

    That’s not actually the way Sarah B. Kapnick and Thomas L. Delworth from Princeton University and NOAA/Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, Princeton, New Jersey, see it in their paper ‘Controls of Global Snow Under a Changed Climate’ published in the Journal of Climate 2013
    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/new-paper-finds-warming-causes-less-snow.html

    Never mind it is not only the snow that we have to worry about Pete. A new Ice Age is approaching :-)

    In Antarctica the sea ice area anomaly has been increasing at a rate of half a million km² per year. If this alarming trend continues, the planet will be completely covered with Antarctic ice in 1,000 years. And the Australian coral reefs will freeze to death in less than 300 years. :-)
    http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/644439_417712038319498_230174936_n.jpg

    For every scary piece of data held up by ALARMISTS as proof of man-made global warming, it seems a bit of contrary evidence is uncovered — and, of course, is ignored. Let’s see what Antarctica is telling us. http://www.thegwpf.org/antarctic-ice-planet/

    And this should be required viewing material for all the ALARMIST crybabies howling and screaming about a bit of global warming!

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  94. nasska (6,346) Says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/b8x7tasmwd00qqx/The-Carbon-Tax-Explained.png?m

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  95. nasska (6,346) Says:

    A Beginners’ Guide to Public Service Policy………

    Start with a cage containing five monkeys.

    Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set
    of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the
    stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as
    he touches the stairs, spray all of the monkeys with
    cold water.

    After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the
    same result – all the monkeys are sprayed with cold water.
    Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs,
    the other monkeys will try to prevent it and beat him up.

    Now, turn off the cold water. Remove one monkey from the
    cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees
    the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise
    and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After
    another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries
    to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

    Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and
    replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs
    and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the
    punishment with enthusiasm.

    Again, replace a third original monkey with a new one.
    The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked
    as well.

    Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they
    were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are
    participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

    After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys,
    all the monkeys that have been sprayed with cold water
    have been replaced. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again
    approaches the stairs. Why not?

    Because as far as they know that’s the way it’s always
    been around here.

    And that’s how Public Service policy developed.

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  96. Kea (4,311) Says:

    nasska (5,804) Says:
    March 5th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
    A Beginners’ Guide to Public Service Policy………

    You are 100% correct. I work in the dam thing myself and have to live it every day.

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  97. Griff (4,891) Says:

    The National Snow & Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which tracks sea ice using satellite data, explains on its website why Antarctic ice has weathered global warming more robustly than Arctic ice. Goddard dismisses the explanation, concluding instead, “Antarctic and Arctic ice move opposite each other. NSIDC’s dissonance about this is astonishing.”

    Despite its lack of scientific support, Goddard’s post has garnered attention around the Web. In a Forbes.com column about the record high Antarctic sea ice, skeptic James Taylor writes, “Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.”
    Just google your rubbish axenuckle and any one with half a brain can see your bullshit.
    Still if you dont like science why dont you go join a cult
    and take squawky with you please

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  98. nasska (6,346) Says:

    Kea

    I pity you. It’s a pain having to remember that it’s a waste of time taking it out on the poor bastards who have to front the public. It’s the useless feather bedding arseholes further up the food chain who set the standards.

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  99. big bruv (11,198) Says:

    So almost half way through the term of this Parliament and amid much faux fanfare can anybody tell me one thing that Mojo Mathers has done in her time as a highly overpaid public servant?

    She is a hopeless MP and a complete waste of space and money.

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  100. Jack5 (3,019) Says:

    What a joke! The troll, Kea, posts about the public service at 8.03:

    … I work in the dam thing myself and have to live it every day…

    Kea’s squawking on Kiwiblog for much of the day, so he’s either a lazy, clock-watching work dodger or he’s bullshitting about working for the public service.

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  101. Jack5 (3,019) Says:

    Further on Kea …

    Do they let day-release folk work in the Public Service?

    Would account for his hostility to the NZ police.

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  102. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    She has done wonders for the bottom line of liswp cowection practitioners everywhere BB.

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  103. Griff (4,891) Says:

    road lice cause global warming
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/bicyclists_as_polluters/
    US lawmaker blames bicycle breath for global warming gas

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  104. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Now now Jack5, remember what happened last time you called me a liar. You don’t want to end up looking silly again do you?

    nasska, even the front line staff can get infected by the prevailing culture in the public service, but most folk start out with the best of intentions and do work hard. I have done some pretty tough jobs, but this one is the toughest.

    It is funny speaking with other government departments. They all say the same thing and the front line are all faced with similar bullshit. Your piece really does hit the nail on the head. That mentality and arse covering, are the at the root of it all.

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  105. Elaycee (3,494) Says:

    Jeez Johnboy – 10,000 comments and counting……

    Just like a good wine, huh? :D

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  106. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Griff (4,390) Says:
    March 5th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
    road lice cause global warming
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/bicyclists_as_polluters/
    US lawmaker blames bicycle breath for global warming gas

    At last Griff makes a convincing argument for AGW ;)

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  107. Griff (4,891) Says:

    Conspiracy Theorists Respond to Evidence They’re Conspiracy Theorists With More Conspiracy Theories
    :lol:
    http://www.frontiersin.org/Personality_Science_and_Individual_Differences/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00073/abstract

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  108. nasska (6,346) Says:

    Kea

    A new scientific instrument has been discovered….the alarmists will probably seize on the idea & use it to produce some ‘suitable’ data….bastards! :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hy3zb0csn4lhy5p/Climate%207.JPG?m

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  109. Griff (4,891) Says:

    John boy legend status puts you up there with philu and the old redbaiter
    10,000 posts and still your love for fester shines though

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  110. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Would account for his hostility to the NZ police.

    What ???

    Did you mean to say; hostility towards those who abuse positions of power and are thugs ? I think most cops would/do back me up on that one. Idiot.

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  111. big bruv (11,198) Says:

    JB

    I imagine she is a big fan of Wussell as well given that she cannot hear his horrendous Ocker accent.

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  112. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    Thank you, thank you Elaycee old chap! :)

    I have planned to have the whole 10,000 bound (but not gagged) into a tome which shall form the founding document of the
    “Church of Sheepology”.

    I am about to hie me to a mountaintop in the Hindu Kush to finish meditating on my gospel but seem to have misplaced my Frenchwoman. :)

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  113. nasska (6,346) Says:

    Johnboy

    A small virtual token to go with the virtual congrats on your 10000th gem. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cekszme9s2et2o3/sheep.jpg?m

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  114. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    Griff, are you certain you are not a descendant of David Lloyd George? :)

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  115. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    I always knew you could have been my Valentine nasska if we were both poofters! :)

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  116. Elaycee (3,494) Says:

    @Johnboy – sounds like a plan. Of course, if the Frenchwoman pikes, you could always ask the rate dodging, skunk cap wearing water woman to join you. Don’t you have a soft spot for her??? 8O

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  117. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    There is no requirement for barbed wire on top of the Hindu Kush.

    Only warmth! :)

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  118. Pete George (17,596) Says:

    Whale has the Ultimate Anti Gay Marriage Ad.

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  119. Griff (4,891) Says:

    No jb just some poor old coal mining sheepshagers in Caerphilly

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  120. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    I could tell you were no goat Griff! :)

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  121. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Griff (4,393) Says:
    March 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
    No jb just some poor old coal mining sheepshagers in Caerphilly

    Now Griff is accusing the coal industry of bestiality as well as bringing about the end of he world. :)

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  122. Griff (4,891) Says:

    Tad-cu yn gweithio 7 7 i lawr mwyngloddiau tha 6.5 diwrnod yr wythnos o 12 a mwg ei fywyd cyfan
    Mae’r bugger gorfod newid resthomes pan oedd yn 92 i lawer chasen nyrsys o gwmpas. Dim defaid yn y cartref gweddill gwelwch winc

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  123. nasska (6,346) Says:

    Byddwch yn dod o linell hir o bastards sâl. :)

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  124. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    Os oeddech yn Griff bachgen gwaedlyd gweddus byddech wedi prynu Taid ychydig o tartenni gwisgo fel nyrsys i leddfu ei flynyddoedd gyda’r hwyr. :)

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  125. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Гриф может быть понято лучше.

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  126. Griff (4,891) Says:

    na a sheepie skins cheaper. :wink:

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  127. Johnboy (10,722) Says:

    Well it’s this or bloody Cato the catholic on the other channel. Think I’ll go to bed.

    Night all! :)

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  128. Griff (4,891) Says:

    China’s decade-long boom in coal-driven heavy industry is about to end as the leadership shifts priorities towards energy conservation, say officials and policy advisers.

    The advisers predict China’s coal consumption will peak at only a fraction above current levels after the State Council, or cabinet, last week set an ambitious new total energy use target for the five-year plan ending 2015.

    “Coal consumption will peak below 4 billion tonnes,” Jiang Kejun, who led the modelling team that advised the State Council on energy use scenarios, told Fairfax Media.

    “It’s time to make change,” said Dr Jiang, who is director of the Energy Research Institute under the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC). “There’s no market for further development of energy-intensive industry.”

    The imminent stabilisation of coal usage, if broadly achieved, would mark a stunning turn-around for a nation that is estimated to have burned 3.9 billion tonnes last year, which is nearly as much as the rest of the world combined.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/time-for-change-china-flags-peak-in-coal-usage-20130206-2dxrv.html#ixzz2MeaSDRKP

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  129. Sofia (552) Says:

    Night, Johnboy

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  130. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Griff, was there a point to that post about Chinese coal consumption ? Sure they do not want to be too dependent on one form of energy, but nor does any country. I can tell you one thing though, they are not worried about AGW and neither is India. Right there we have a huge chunk of the worlds population.

    Oh and Griff, do not take anything the Chinese government says too literally. That would just be silly.

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  131. Jack5 (3,019) Says:

    I copied the troll Kea’s Russian quotation (9.44 post) into an online translation site and the English meaning doesn’t seem relevant to anything else in the thread.

    Explain Kea, or admit that you are poseur as well as a lying, disturbed troll.

    Then take your valium and go to bed.

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  132. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Jack 5, you really are silly wee boy. You can not translate backwards with a cut n’ paste like that. Most kids your age know that.

    I guess you think all the others speak fluent Welsh then ? :)

    Now best you get some sleep before mum comes. Its a school night and with your “difficulties” you cant afford to be tired. Just remember your very very special.

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  133. Jack5 (3,019) Says:

    The troll Kea (10.51) says:

    …You can not translate backwards with a cut n’ paste like that..

    That’s not true. More bluster and lies confirm you are a poseur as well as a lying troll.

    Both “backwards” and “cut n’paste” are irrelevant to online translation.

    This is the second time today you’ve used the term “cut n’ paste”. Are you an old-time journo, Kea?

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  134. Kea (4,311) Says:

    Jack5, as an autistic kid who fixates on things (eg: Kea) you like detail, so I will help you out. A person with a different point of view (eg: they do not approve of police brutality when you do) is not by definition a “troll”.

    One more point, it is actually “trawl” though it is changing through common usage to troll.

    Keep taking the meds and before you know it you will be out of the secure wing and in the day room with all the others. That compulsory treatment order will be gone before you know it. Hang in there.

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  135. axeman (199) Says:

    “Oh and Griff, do not take anything the Chinese government says too literally. That would just be silly”

    Yep Kea and he has failed to notice this report from late last year.

    More than 1,000 new coal plants planned worldwide, figures show
    World Resources Institute identifies 1,200 coal plants in planning across 59 countries, with about THREE-QUARTERS IN CHINA AND INDIA.
    The capacity of the new plants add up to 1,400GW to global greenhouse gas emissions, the equivalent of adding another China – the world’s biggest emitter.

    Ouch … that has gotta hurt the CAGW cause :-)

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  136. Kea (4,311) Says:

    axeman, Griff is a simple soul and the workings of Chinese politics are well beyond him. China and India are building Coal fired power plants at an incredible rate.

    But it gets worse. Much worse in fact :)

    The big climate question: Will the world build 1,200 new coal plants?

    Climate scientists have sometimes warned that it could prove impossible to avoid high levels of global warming unless the world stops building new coal-fired plants. But that’s not a simple proposition. Across the globe, there are at least 1,199 coal plants now on the drawing board, according to a new report from the World Resources Institute…. in Europe and Japan, once-moribund coal plant proposals are being revived after nuclear reactors were shut down in the wake of the Fukushima disaster.

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  137. Manolo (9,863) Says:

    Meanwhile: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/04/federal-reserve–quantitative-easing/1963539/

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