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Using this new analysis of 82 people who performed the gambling task, the academics showed that Republicans and Democrats do not differ in the risks they take. However, there were striking differences in the participants’ brain activity during the risk-taking task. Democrats showed significantly greater activity in the left insula, a region associated with social and self-awareness. Meanwhile Republicans showed significantly greater activity in the right amygdala, a region involved in the body’s fight-or-flight system.
UK’s idiot prince is off to Saudi Arabia next week. No one should be surprised to know that he has already converted to islam. He intends to be the defender of faiths. He does not seem to have much truck with Anglicanism.
There’s been a growing amount of commenting and blogging along the lines of “greedy undeserving farmers” versus “poor workers and beneficiaries”. They don’t seem to see any difference between short term emergency assistance caused by the weather versus poor workers and beneficiaries who already get significant ongoing state assistance.
Received a email allegedly from John Key about asset sales. Links allegedly point to .govt.nz web sites but actually point elsewhere. Someone is up to no good.
Great to see that ALL State houses have now been insulated. (low down inside page of the Auckland paper).
Well done Housing NZ.
It is a great start in terms of health provisions. Keep up the momentum.
Thanks Harold – I know you did not want anybody to know or acknowledge this.
How interesting that the Correspondence School has squandered millions of dollars on a shonky computer system.
The chair of the board is Karen Sewell, the same Karen Sewell who was CEO of the Ministry of Education when it was rated the lowest performing government department (some achievement!) and when it signed up for Novopay!
How is it she can still sail on completely unaccountable – just like the State Services Commission that has a dismal record of disastrous appointments that have cost us a fortune? They after all were responsible for appointing both Sewell and the woeful Leslie Longstone who didn’t know NZ, our education system, the main players or the politics and consequently made a hash of everything – leaving Hekia to take all the blame.
Interesting stuff from The Quadrant. It seems that there has been no warming since 1996 but the alarmists wont accept this – they insist that there is hidden energy in the oceans below 700m – but we cant measure this apparently – so the alarmists are insisting that where all the warming is. Idiots.
…”Dr Pachauri was addressing the real thing – surface (or lower atmosphere) temperature anomalies averaged over the whole globe. They haven’t moved since 1996. He says that the sharp warming phase which began in the late 70s levelled off in the late 90s. The whole episode lasted only 20 years, and we now know that nobody should believe the IPCC models which projected that this warming would continue into the 21st century.
Might the warming start again? Nobody knows. All we know for sure is that is either in remission or it is over.
The ACC report says that 2000-09 was the warmest decade since modern measures began. But that is because it commenced at a warm level. To pick another decade, 2003-12 was notably cool in comparison.
Some diehards suggest we should take account of apparent warming/cooling tendencies that are insignificant in a statistical sense. Such an approach seems to be an abandonment of science. If skilled climatologists are unable to detect any clear signal amongst screeds of noisy data, then that should be an end to the argument”…..
A comment on nasty ignorant farmers and global warming by Greg Presland.
There is a certain irony that farmers, who have a reputation for denying that climate change is occurring and opposing provision of social welfare for members of our community who need it should now be seeking a benefit because of a drought that is undeniably a symptom of global warming.
There is a certain irony that a lawyer slanders so many with so few supporting facts.
Looney Len has provided a good example of the difference in mind-sets between the opposing ends of the political spectrum.
In response to Smith’s comments regarding freeing up housing supply in Auckland (making more sections available by easing current Council restrictions) Looney Len asserts that there are other ways in which housing can be made “more affordable”; such as by first home loan assistance.
So, Smith says increase supply to lower the cost. Len says no, restrict the supply and provide soft loans to pay higher prices. Len doesn’t seem to have read many newspapers in the last few years. Nor is he capable of comprehending the consequences of increasing demand even further with hisyour soft loan money.
Would you buy an inner city rail loop from this man?
Barry
no link
no truth
There has been no warming since 1996 is a load of shit.You can only honestly say there is more chance of there being warming than not.
Trend calculatorhttp://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php
Heat content https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/20580/area14mp/gvzj8y37-1361767576.jpg
lies barry
Might the warming start again? it would have to stop first.
You are basing you story on the statistical significant of a too sort time series to have a true trend you need to increase the time series until it is statistically significant which gives a warming.
I don’t particularly Garner or Espiner but the show put the blow torch to the New Plymouth police about a wheel clamper guy there.
Very interesting and quite concerning. I’m the first to criticise our media for shit work but this is what it should be about,holding the agents of the state to account.
Leaked documents detailing power struggles, political intrigue and corruption at the highest levels of the Roman Catholic Church; This comes as the Vatican has been, in the past several years, embroiled in numerous sex abuse scandals involving more than 4,000 minors. Once again people are asking what’s going on behind the Vatican walls.
Strangely reminiscent of the Bradley Manning story…
The focus is on the whistleblower and he’s in jail.
The criminals at the top keeping rolling along…until the Pope resigned.
I don’t expect you to accept this, but at least have a look at it. This guy has used the Skeptical Science trend calculator. He has applied it to all the major data sets and come to a different conclusion you.
To counter you Ross12, griff posts a link to a graph showing a 1.4 deg C per century warming trend. And there’s no evidence to suggest this will change.
A watts is not a scientist he is a failed tv weather man.
Hes websites central theme is the urban heat island effect distorts the temperature record.
Watts still posts among other rubbish his so called scientific paper that proves this.
Unfortunately he ignores some well documented and important adjustments in his attempt to prove his claim. To have his paper taken seriously he would have to include these adjustments.Even his co authors have admitted this missing data adjustment and distanced themselves from his work
For this reason his paper if it ever gets published will prove what scientists have been in agreement on for two decades now.
Hes whole blog is built on a false premise.
In short he is full of shit
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2012JD018509.shtml
We conclude that homogenization does a good job at removing urban-correlated biases subsequent to 1930. Prior to that date, there are significantly fewer stations available in the network with which to detect breakpoints or localized trend biases, and homogenization does less well (though the newly released USHCN version 2.5 does substantially better than version 2.0). In general, there might be a need for additional urban-specific adjustments like those performed in NASA’s GISTEMP for areas and/or periods of time in which station density is sparse, but they are rather unnecessary for the post-1930s CONUS data. The simple take-away is that while UHI and other urban-correlated biases are real (and can have a big effect), current methods of detecting and correcting localized breakpoints are generally effective in removing that bias. Blog claims that UHI explains any substantial fraction of the recent warming in the US are just not supported by the data.
As the cities go bigger, the effect is getting stronger, and because most weather stations are in cities or close to cities, we get a possible source of bias that is as large as 1 °C per century. The idea that we can neglect this effect when interpreting the surface measurements of temperature is extremely careless.
Right now I just linked to two recent papers that disprove your assertions.
I could link to hundreds
denial is to keep denighing even when shown the truth.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Barry
no link
no truth
There has been no warming since 1996 is a load of shit.
Well not according to these folk Griff. Where are you getting your information from ?
THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office
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Everyone wants the Federal Reserve to say how it will unwind the $3 trillion balance sheet amassed from years of quantitative easing.
Indeed, this was something of a hot topic in Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke’s testimony before Congress last week.
One of the big issues the central bank faces is the inevitable loss it will have to take when interest rates rise and the value of the Fed’s bond portfolio declines.
Hahaha, weather, that’s what it was in the ’90s too then griff? And that steep trend that is the basis of the whole AGW industry turns out to just be weather. In fact there’s no basis for any acceleration of warming, it’s a plain old long term trend of 1.4 deg C per century.
And if 90% of the warming is going in to the ocean so fucking what? What’s it going to do from down there, especially when all the land-ocean indexes show a decade of cooling?
THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office
Show me the actual quote or confirmation kea not a echo chamber runaround from a opinion piece in a newspaper.
Even in the original Australian or the daily mail opinion pieces there is no direct quote.
Facts count.
opinion is opinion
Nether of your supposed admissions actually exist any where except within the denial echo chamber
This is what governments and scientists base there opinion of global warming not some op ed in a news paper or on a blog
Over the past 17 years the planet has accumulated the equivalent energy to detonating 3.7 Hiroshima atomic bombs per second, every second. It takes a fundamental misundertanding of the global climate to deny that immense amount of global warming.
If you wondered how the asset petition was progressing, the Greens have promoted the fact that they are counting and collating it ready to hand it over next Tuesday.
How much has it cost so far? How much will a referendum cost? We know it will be ignored. Smart, green economics?
Griff – Over the past 17 years the planet has accumulated the equivalent energy to detonating 3.7 Hiroshima atomic bombs per second, every second. It takes a fundamental misundertanding of the global climate to deny that immense amount of global warming.
1,984,930,645.4
1.98 billion nuclear explosions the size of Hiroshima
A minor nuclear war with each country using 50 Hiroshima-sized atom bombs as airbursts on urban areas could produce climate change unprecedented in recorded human history. A nuclear war between the United States and Russia today could produce nuclear winter, with temperatures plunging below freezing in the summer in major agricultural regions, threatening the food supply for most of the planet. The climatic effects of the smoke from burning cities and industrial areas would last for several years, much longer than previously thought. New climate model simulations, which are said to have the capability of including the entire atmosphere and oceans, show that the smoke would be lofted by solar heating to the upper stratosphere, where it would remain for years.
To acquire MRP shares I will apparently need to provide – A valid IRD number; and
A valid New Zealand bank account; and
A New Zealand address; and
A declaration that you are a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident in New Zealand; and
A confirmation that you are in New Zealand and are not acting for the account or benefit of, a person in the United States.
Why, in particular, single out the United States?
And what of New Zealanders temporally in the USA who do fit all the other criteria?
Dont like the number 3.7 h bombs a second do you nutters.
Reality is hard I know just take a deep breath and calm down.
Anger, Guilt, Pain And Sorrow are still to come.
Conspiracist ideation has been repeatedly implicated in the rejection of scientific propositions, although empirical evidence to date has been sparse. A recent study involving visitors to climate blogs found that conspiracist ideation was associated with the rejection of climate science and the rejection of other scientific propositions such as the link between lung cancer and smoking, and between HIV and AIDS (Lewandowsky, Oberauer, & Gignac, in press; LOG12 from here on). This article analyzes the response of the climate blogosphere to the publication of LOG12. We identify and trace the hypotheses that emerged in response to LOG12 and that questioned the validity of the paper’s conclusions. Using established criteria to identify conspiracist ideation, we show that many of the hypotheses exhibited conspiratorial content and counterfactual thinking. For example, whereas hypotheses were initially narrowly focused on LOG12, some ultimately grew in scope to include actors beyond the authors of LOG12, such as university executives, a media organization, and the Australian government. The overall pattern of the blogosphere’s response to LOG12 illustrates the possible role of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science,
I think I just pissed myself laughing at the nutters
fancy that axenuckle is doing the conspirowhacky thing.
“They’re basing their opinion of global warming on the blog of evangelical christian John Cook?”
Yep RightNow, that’s the John Cook and his psych sidekick Dr. Stephan Levandowsky who are big on conspiracy theory studies as a tool to smear skeptics, and are quite certain that climate skeptics are mentally aberrant, even though they never give skeptics a chance to vote in their horridly self serving and skewed surveys.
And the charming Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum (which either got hacked or was left open by their own incompetence) said “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.
And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.
ah, griff shows he’s got nothing left in the tank by resorting to the conspirawhacky ruse. I wonder if he even knows that no sceptics actually participated in the Lewandowsky survey, it was all done by alarmist bloggers. So they’re conspirawhacky theorists huh, who’d a thunk it?
Ross12, that NASA data showing the reduction of water vapour in the upper atmosphere is in itself a crushing blow to the alarmists’ models and theory, but it also confirms the predicted hot spot doesn’t exist.
RightNow, watch the gwiffucknuckle just go ballistic over this
The $6 quadrillion cost of the climate scam
(Christopher Monckton of Brenchley on economics of fighting ‘global warming’)
“The capture of the once-pure environmental movement by the hard left is far from cheap for the rest of us. I have just told the annual planetary-emergencies conference of the World Federation of Scientists that on the basis of the lunatic anti-CO2 policies now fashionable among scientifically illiterate governments, it would cost $6 quadrillion to prevent the 6 degrees Fahrenheit of predicted “global warming” that will not happen anyway.” http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/the-6-quadrillion-cost-of-the-climate-scam/#2r8pAiKH075iXtft.99
Griff is a fanatic. KB is not the only place he posts and his level of participation is higher on some other forums. He has invested too much of his identitiy in this to ever back down or objectively reassess his position.
He is in short, a nutter.
It is a shame, as he is reasonable on most other topics.
Rape culture – we live in it? Example given in another forum:
I was standing outside a bar, one guy looks at me, looks at his mate and says ‘wanna go halves on a rape charge?’. All the boys laugh. I feel gross and have to leave. We live in a rape culture.
From another:
The first step in fighting rape culture is acknowledging it exists. The second is pointing it out so others are forced to see it. The third … I’ll figure out once we get people even to step one.
I know this post won’t end rape. But maybe it’ll pull another thread out of the rape culture tapestry. Maybe it’ll mean one rape joke at the water cooler gets called out. Maybe it’ll stop one “friend” making light of an assault. Maybe it’ll make one guy think twice about how hilarious it is the way his buddy always hits on the really drunk girls.
It’s been embedded in our culture for so long many (men especially) aren’t aware of it. But it’s in evidence in many ways, in many places.
Along with our violence culture it needs to be challenged – Rape culture
It’s been embedded in our culture for so long many (men especially) aren’t aware of it.
Utter PC bullshit. Once again trying to play the White Knight and making women out as victims. Funny thing is, in real life women tend to find guys like that creepy. Good old womens intuition a ?
How about those women, who actually think this, go off to live in South Africa or some other non European country. They will feel much safer I am sure and can escape our “culture”.
We may have a better idea of the real extent of the rape problem, if we did something about the hundreds of false complaints made. The evil bitches should have a manditory sentence of the maximum penality the victim would receive had the charges been proven, just for starters.
Kea, you deny it’s a problem and then go on to give what couldn’t be a clearer example of the problem by trying to turn the blame it all on women.
Yes, there are false complaints and they are crap when they happen, but they are a much smaller problem than rape is – and they wouldn’t occur if rape wasn’t a problem in the first place.
We have a real problem in NZ with ugly bad mannered women, with personality defects, taking advantage of our young men after they have had a few drinks. I know many men who have been victims of this hideous crime and awake the next day feeling violated. The ongoing cost in lowered self esteem is hard to measure, but has been linked to a number of negative social outcomes.
“Surprise sex” is no longer the exclusive domain of men.
Yes, there are false complaints and they are crap when they happen, but they are a much smaller problem than rape is – and they wouldn’t occur if rape wasn’t a problem in the first place.
Explain how making up lies about being raped, is caused by real rapes ? Idiot.
(I can’t believe this wet prick. I bet he is famously unlucky with the ladies )
Lying bitches that make false rape complaints should be in jail.
I have a close mate whose life was wrecked by one. He never did anything wrong (Her fabricated story emerged when her boyfriend found out she had hooked up with him at the Office Christmas Party) and it wrecked his bloody life.
Career wrecked. Tens of thousands in legal bills. A suicide attempt. The poor bastard was a mess and lost two years of his life before he was cleared.
And he has never been the same guy since- tells me the embarrassment and humiliation is just too much to overcome.
There are some women who agree with Pete George’s bleak and demeaning view of men. They are invariably ugly as sin and often sport short spikey grey hair. They hate men.
Clearly this is Pete’s target market. Go for it mate and take one for the team. Help yourself to this much ignored niche in the dating scene. Have my share. But do not go slagging off your fellow man.
Kea, I wouldn’t consider you a “fellow man” the way you’ve reacted. First you blamed, abused and slagged off women, and now you’re trying the same to me, and indirectly insulting my wife (I consider I’m very lucky to have some like her as a partner).
Why have you gone berserk over this? What have you got against crap male behaviour being challenged? I’m not going to accuse you of anything but it raises suspicions why you seem to be so defensively attacking like this.
You’re a prime example of the rape culture that’s being talked about.
You piece of shit, comparing an actuall rape to an innocent man having his life destroyed for a crime that was never committed.
There’s a valid comparison between “an innocent man having his life destroyed for a crime that was never committed” and an innocent women having her life destroyed by a crime that was committed.
Calm down on the abuse, it’s doing you far more damage than me.
I have plenty against “crap male behaviour” and do not tolerate it. On and off blogs.
What I am speaking out against is YOUR crap behaviour. Don’t try and claim the moral high ground while minimising innocent men being destroyed by lying manipulate women.
Those women who make false rape complaints are a disgrace to those REAL victims of rape. Think about that before you preach your feminst tripe.
I have plenty against “crap male behaviour” and do not tolerate it. On and off blogs.
Kea, you’ve flown off the handle here and been highly abusive and deragotory. It’s been offensive crap behaviour. I call bullshit on your tolerance (presuming you are male).
And you’ve jumped to conclusions without reading properly, and accused me of something I haven’t done.
Every false rape complaint (and I am told there are plenty) takes resources and investigators away from real victims of crime.
My friend’s life was absolutely fucking wrecked- Every workmate and close friend of his was interviewed by Police and informed of these horrendous allegations. Can you even begin to imagine how humiliating this is for someone?
I was involved as I was at the party and therefore a ‘witness’. Her allegations were so far fetched it makes my stomach churn to think she could tell so many lies and walk away Scot Free…
It was seemingly all a big game to her- I honestly think she should have gone to jail when the truth emerged (She actually finally admitted it was all bullshit)…
It was seemingly all a big game to her- I honestly think she should have gone to jail when the truth emerged…
Longknives, from what you say I agree, sounds like it could be deserving of jail. As I agreed earlier in general, that seems to have escaped Kea in his implosion.
There is a terrble crime called rape, which we all despise.
And then there are ambiguous events where a man has sex with a woman who later claims, sometimes much later, she was in some way coerced and the feminists would have us treat the man involved in these cases in the same manner as the most vile of rapists.
And thus rape becomes not a thing of female oppression but one of male oppression where the mere accusation can ruin a mans life and has.
I’ll have the slut marchers up in arms but women who don’t dress like harlots, don’t get drunk and come on to males who are also drunk, are extremely unlikely to be raped.
If you want to change “rape culture” a good start would be to encourage women behave like ladies and then men will almost certainly behave like gentlemen toward them.
But in this age of “I can do what I like without there being any negative consequences” such thinking is heresy of course
If you want to change “rape culture” a good start would be to encourage women behave like ladies and then men will almost certainly behave like gentlemen toward them.
That’s abysmal, a bad version of the blame it on the women excuse.
And Tauhei Notts makes a rape’s funny joke, signalling to rapists that other men think their behaviour is ok, so reinforcing their behaviour.
False rape claims are a terrible situation. People know the high evidential thresholds for conviction for such a serious crime and so the acquitted – whether innocent or not – can only recieve a not proven verdict among his friends. It’s hard to think of a greater injustice. Yet sometimes, rape happens.
Ultimately, it’s foolish to try to compose a set of rules and laws that aren’t grounded in the fact that rape involves coitus – something that usually happens in the presence of just two people.
So what can be done? Get your prospective hook-up to sign a waiver before congress is initiated?
I think that the only practical advice we can give young men is this: “There are some women who will have no shame in falsely accusing you of rape if it’s convenient to them. Indeed, there are some women who will thrive on the attention that such a claim brings. Accordingly, for your own good, don’t have sex outside of a committed relationship with someone you trust.”
The ultimate melon Green, Keith Locke, criticises John Key for not attending the funeral of Chavez.
Locke has never completely shaken off his upbringing in a Kiwi communist home, where the parents were loyal to Stalin long after many more sensible leftists realised the Georgian was just a brutal, power-mad dictator.
In fairness to Keith Locke – though it must be conceded that he is a first class useful idiot – he seems to be suggesting that John Key is missing out on a great networking opportunity if he doesn’t go. So the criticism makes sense if you think the purpose of a funeral is like a BNI meeting.
a website for which I take full personal responsibility for content.
Also on this above-mentioned website are copies of my key legal submissions, as an Appellant in my own name, so people can read them for themselves.
The main reason I organised the setting up of this website, was to counter the defamatory lies about myself being spread by Suzette Maree Dawson, which she has published on her own private websitehttp://occupysavvy.com
Suzette Maree Dawson published on her above-mentioned private website a statement by Ben Cooney (‘Redstar’) during his livestream video coverage of the protest against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) protest on 8 December 2012:
“There’s Penny Bright – SIS informant”.
The FACTS are, that I was one of 12 people responsible for organising Auckland anti-Springbok Tour protests in 1981, I was named in Muldoon’s SIS list as a ‘subversive’, and have never been able to get a copy of my SIS file.
If people think I’m going to put up with these sorts of filthy defamatory lies, when I have had a proven track record going back over 40 years as an activist – think again.
I strongly recommend that those involved in the ‘protest’ / ‘activist’ movement, exercise commonsense and due diligence?
If people come from nowhere, with no proven track record in the ‘protest’ / ‘activist’ movement, and make a beeline for controlling the message, or means of getting the message out – act in ways which cause dissension or conflict within the group, spread misinformation / disinformation about people, without facts and evidence to back it up – BEWARE!!!
Being involved in ‘media’ gives such people the ability to mix and mingle and take photos from inside the ranks of the ‘protest’ movement.
Where exactly are those photos going?
BEWARE of those who act like the 1%, without openness, transparency or democratic accountability.
Why is it that as a (successful) Appellant in the Occupy Auckland Appeal, I cannot post this information up on the Occupy Auckland facebook page?
WHO are ‘Admin’ currently responsible for the Occupy Auckland facebook page, and why am I being blocked?
I note a Press Release up on Scoop – in the name of Occupy Auckland.
Who put out this Press Release?
On whose authority?
As a NAMED APPELLENT in this Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal – I for one was never contacted by this now mysterious, anonymous and apparently secretive ‘Occupy Auckland’ – who do NOT have permission or any authority to speak on my behalf.
WHO now are ‘Occupy Auckland’?
Without transparency – there is no accountability.
When / where was the Occupy Auckland General Assembly that discussed the Appeal, and authorised this Press Release?
I note that Suzette Maree Dawson and her private website ‘occupy savvy’ did NOT attend the hearing of the Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal, and did not publish any of my legal documents, which arguably played a role in helping achieve this significant victory for Occupy Auckland, both locally, nationally and internationally?
Remember Rob Gilchrist – the Police informant who infiltrated the animal rights movement?
I for one, am not interested in working with ‘idiots, sheep, amateurs, saboteurs or provocateurs’.
Decent people, with good hearts, brains, guts and a basic understanding of the principles of natural justice, are those with whom I will work, on an issue by issue basis, where we have common cause.
In New Zealand, we have the basic human right to ‘freedom of association’.
Those who choose to associate with Suzette Maree Dawson and/or Ben Cooney – that is your right and your choice.
But – please be advised that if you choose to associate with Suzette Maree Dawson and/or Ben Cooney, I will choose not to associate with you.
(The same applies to Linda Anne Wright – but that’s another story – update coming soon….)
FYI – here are ‘Minutes’ of Occupy Auckland General Assemblies – 1 February 2012 and 15 February 2012, which record agreed decisions on a number of matters:
MINUTES OF OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY WEDNESDAY
1 FEBRUARY 2012
RESOLVED BY CONSENSUS:
“That Occupy Auckland endorse/support the PRINCIPLE of a draft Action Plan to prevent ‘White Collar crime, corruption and corporate welfare.”
OCCUPY AUCKLAND (General Assembly 1/2/2012) SUPPORTS THE PRINCIPLE OF A DRAFT ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND [DRAFT DISCUSSION DOCUMENT ONLY]
1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.
2. Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.
3. Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central government level
4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).
5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.
6. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.
7. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.
8. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.
9. Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.
10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.
11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.
12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.
13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.
14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ at Central Government Ministerial level.
15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).
16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).
17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government level.
18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.
19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.
[Feedback to Occupy Auckland can be sent c/- Penny Bright waterpressure@gmail.com to assist further debate/discussion/workshopping ]
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MINUTES OF OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY WEDNESDAY 15 FEBRUARY 2012
Minute-taker: Penny Bright
MINUTES OF THE OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HELD ON SUNDAY 12 FEBRUARY 2012 WERE AGREED BY CONSENSUS OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING TO BE A TRUE AND ACCURATE ACCOUNT:
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ANNOUNCEMENTS: 15 FEBRUARY 2012 NEW EVENTS:
1) ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING:
DATE: Friday, 17 February 2012TIME: 7pm VENUE: Trades Hall, 147 Great Nth Rd, Grey Lynn
GA (General Assembly) agreed that Penny, on behalf of Occupy Auckland to take the following proposal (passed by unanimous consensus at the Occupy Auckland GA, Sunday 12 February 2012), to the above-mentioned ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING:
1) That Occupy Auckland support the new group that was formed on Thursday 9 February 2012, at the Unite Office 6A Western Springs Rd, Kingsland – ‘Aotearoa is not for sale’, particularly focusing on opposing the proposed ‘partial privatisation’ of State-owned assets.
2) That Occupy Auckland help organize opposition to proposed State-Owned asset sales, by making available to the public, hard copy ‘submission’ forms which can be sent to Treasury, who are organizing the ‘consultation’, (‘submissions must be in by 5pm 22 February, 2012).
3) That Occupy Auckland concentrate on public ‘outreach’ activities, co-ordinating with as many other interested parties / groups as possible, preferably on a daily basis, including, but not limited to publicizing:
a. Opposition to State-Owned asset sales.
b. Opposition to the NZ Food Bill.
c. Support for the Ports of Auckland workers.
d. Support for the Tamaki Housing Group.
e. Collecting signatures for the petition for an inquiry into the Huljich Kiwisaver prosecutions.
f. Collecting submission forms opposing the sale of State-Owned assets.
That the suggested public ‘outreach’ point be opposite the Auckland Town Hall on Queen Street, but if there are other events on at that time we go there.
That the form of this public ‘outreach’ be, banners on fence, fold-up table and chairs, clip boards, and ‘protest ponchos’. Penny is prepared to help organise this activity. …..”
1. According to a blog post, two guys are overheard outside a bar, possibly joking, possibly not, discussing a potential rape JV.
2. Another blogger states we have a rape culture.
On that basis you postulate that we have a rape culture. Perhaps you have got statistics indicating that the incidence of rapists is 90% of the population? 75%? 50%? 25%? 10%? 5%? 2%? 1%? Or are you just being silly and suffering from a dose of male guilt? If it hurts that much, you could you for the op because it seems that you have been emotionally emasculated so you may as well go the whole hog.
Regarding the government assistance available to farmers in officially drought-ridden areas, in a column titled “We are all beneficiaries now” Helen Kelly writes,
Solo mums are a bit like these farmers. They are working but not earning and need community support to do that…. The drought shows how important social protection systems are. When the unexpected happens – your farm dries up, you get sick, you lose your job, you find yourself alone raising your kids – the community steps in by way of tax funded Social Protection.
And Tauhei Notts makes a rape’s funny joke, signalling to rapists that other men think their behaviour is ok,
Pete George, No it does not signal that to any normal intelligent person. It is funny because it is so wrong. Do I really have to explain that to you ? Are you really that brain washed by the feminist narrative ?
People make jokes about all kinds of awful things. Everyone knows that black humour does not mean they think it is funny.
thedavincimode, you’re making wild guesses and then accusing me based on guesses because you obviously haven’t bothered to read any background. Before you jump in with utter tripe like that at least inform yourself about it first:
I have no doubt he will come again along with all the righteous people and the Prophet Jesus and the only successor of the righteous generation, the perfect human,
Rape happens… False accusations happen… Defending both offences to justify ones debate is pretty lame, to say the least.
A rapist couldn’t care less if their victim is young or old, fat or thin, ugly or attractive. And yes, there are women that will take advantage of the drunk male to feel attractive, knowing that come morning, she’ll be his regret.
If you understand that you will see that you’re displaying obvious traits from our rape culture, including abusing anyone that points it out to you.
Tut tut there goes slippery PG heading for the moral high ground again.
How about you accusing anyone who does not agree with you as being part of the “rape culture” ? I guess that is ok ?
You are not a defender of morals and I think your moral compass needs some urgent calibration. I believe in treating all the population fairly, not just the female half. Guys like you are a dime a dozen. Your a lurker who only knows one way to impress the ladies. Take their side no matter how wrong they are and always defer to them. Women generally have a few as gofers but seldom see doormats as romantic prospects.
On his blog, Pete George writes that someone stated “back of the envelope calculations show me the 99.9914% of the NZ male population are not rapists”, and he disputes that, stating he would be very surprised if the minority is that small (IE 0.0086%).
I suspect “back of the envelope calculations” aren’t intended to be totally accurate but let’s work through it. NZ population is around 4,450,000. Stats NZ shows we’re roughly 97 males to 100 females, which comes out to around 2,200,000 males. In 2011 police recorded 3466 rapes and related offences which, when you work it through, assuming one offence per male, works out to around 0.0016% – or 99.99842% of the male population are not rapists.
Very very rough, I know. But there you go – turns out the minority is even smaller than the “back of the envelope calculations”. Unless someone has better stats than me (always possible).
Women need to respect themselves more and just maybe, our men folk will follow suit. This is not laying the blame on the woman, it’s the unfortunate reality.
Food for thought though… How often is a gay man accused of raping a straight male? My guess would be, very rarely. Sober, or drunk…
NZ population is around 4,450,000. Stats NZ shows we’re roughly 97 males to 100 females, which comes out to around 2,200,000 males. In 2011 police recorded 3466 rapes and related offences which, when you work it through, assuming one offence per male, works out to around 0.0016% – or 99.99842% of the male population are not rapists.
(even less actually, due to multiple rapes by one person)
Well not according to Pete George. And whats more, by questioning him, you are part of the “rape culture” eg: a rapist.
Go check out his site and see for yourself.
Hay PG, tell us what cultures are NOT rape cultures ?
Yes graham, very rough, because it’s well known that many rapes aren’t reported, probably far more than are reported.
And as I’ve said elsewhere, quibbling over numbers is beside the point.
Even taking 3466 reported rapes in a year that’s a lot of lives that have potentially been severely affected, my guess is that most victims that put themselves through the trauma of a trial have been significantly affected by what has happened.
Hey Kea, most people reading Kiwiblog are not as dismissive of and full of excuses for rape as you are. But you are a part of a problem. And you are responsible for what you say online, don’t try and blame me for pointing it out.
And Graham, here is the original statement as quoted on my blog:
That said…back of the envelope calculations show me the 99.9914% of the NZ male population are not rapists and have, most likely, never ever entertained the thought of raping someone.
I stand 100% behind what I have said and will add to it.
1. When you accuse Kiwi men of having a “rape culture” what are you comparing Kiwi men to ?
On your site you quote this: “The first step in fighting rape culture is acknowledging it exists. The second is pointing it out so others are forced to see it. The third … I’ll figure out once we get people even to step one.”
2. How do you propose to “force” people to admit they are part of a “rape culture”
Your site suggests having sex with drunk girls is RAPE.
3. Do you consider girls having sex with drunk boys rape ?
4. Why does your site only mention this form of rape in relation to women ?
Cha… The first two links appear to be a serial rapist, although it seems unclear if the rapist was gay. ( and no I’m not saying he wasn’t). The 3rd link was more clear…
Given the rape numbers, I’d still say very rare. That doesn’t make it less traumatic for the victim…
And whats more, by questioning him, you are part of the “rape culture” eg: a rapist.
That’s another absurd accusation.
If we have a rape culture we are all part of it, but most of us are not rapists. Some contribute much more than others to the culture, many contribute little if anything (apart from silence allowing it to continue).
,,,that’s a lot of lives that have potentially been severely affected, my guess is that most victims that put themselves through the trauma of a trial have been significantly affected by what has happened.
I assume you are talking about those men wrongly accused of rape ? Do you have the figures of the number of false rape complaints and sexual assaults made?
….of course not, there is no way the cops would release those figures. It is way more than people think. We are misled and figures are distorted in order to promote more anti male legislation.
Pete, why do you post here so much, with links to your own blog? If your words of wisdom are so profound, and you have something interesting and relevant to say, would people not go to your own place of their own accord? Do you really want to be seen as a somewhat more literate version of Phil the druggie bludger?
So, the 2013 Census. No forms delivered to our home. Our son was a census worker in another city, and advised we call the census hotline on Saturday. They expressed dismay and promised to post form to us. As of today, nothing. Nada, Zilch.
And as I’ve said elsewhere, quibbling over numbers is beside the point.
True. But you started it when you disputed the comments made by ‘La Grand Fomage’. Your exact words were “I challenge you on 99.9914%. I think rapists are a small minority of males (and it should be said a very small minority of females), but I’d be very surprised if the minority is that small.”
I just thought it would be interesting to get a rough idea. If you’ve got better data – and as you challenged the 99.9914% figure, presumably you have – then let’s see it. I’m all eyes.
Pete George………. maybe your right. Maybe we are all part of a rape culture.
Please tell us lowly “rapists” which culture is not a rape culture, so we can learn from them ?
(we will ignore that over half the population of this culture is female and they raise the kids and are the first to instill values and morals in the child)
1. When you accuse Kiwi men of having a “rape culture” what are you comparing Kiwi men to ?
I’m not comparing them to anything or anyone, that’s irrelevant.
On your site you quote this: “The first step in fighting rape culture is acknowledging it exists. The second is pointing it out so others are forced to see it. The third … I’ll figure out once we get people even to step one.”
2. How do you propose to “force” people to admit they are part of a “rape culture”
They’re not my words, I wouldn’t say it like that. You can’t force people to admit anything. By raising the issue and putting it out there for discussion you give people a chance to see it for themselves.
Your site suggests having sex with drunk girls is RAPE.
3. Do you consider girls having sex with drunk boys rape ?
Not necessarily, obviously it depends on the circumstances, particularly whether it was consented to.
4. Why does your site only mention this form of rape in relation to women ?
I was quoting part of one person’s post (and linked to the full post). Obvously most forms of rape can apply to either sex, but most often females are the victims so that’s what is most oftentalked about.
5. Where did I make “excuses for rape” ?
You diverted to false accusations, you diverted to abusing groups of females, you diverted to abusing me, you made things up about me. But perhaps I got it wrong. Do you think we have a significant problem with rape in New Zealand?
Pete George you exceptionally silly little man I AM NOT PART OF A “RAPE CULTURE”.
I bought my boy up to respect women and my girls to be women worthy of respect.
We live in a degraded overly sexualized society and this “rape culture” crap is just another confusion in a society that has turned a large number of its women into slags unfit to be brides and mothers – who in fact will murder infants they conceive rather than take responsibility for them.
DG: “Pete, why do you post here so much, with links to your own blog? ”
Because I can. Why do you comment here?
I see social media as many interlinked parts. I happen to be active across a number of those parts (much more than just here and YourNZ) and use it all as a whole rather than as isolated forums. Most bloggers work across a variety of sources and destinations, I probably do it more than most.
I use my own blog for a number of purposes. One is to use it for more detail and a library of information, and to avoid clogging up other people’s blogs I post summaries and link. That’s a very common blogging practice.
“1. When you accuse Kiwi men of having a “rape culture” what are you comparing Kiwi men to ?
I’m not comparing them to anything or anyone, that’s irrelevant.”
A total cop out. If this is bad, where is it good ? You have the entire world to choose from and not one example given.
“3. Do you consider girls having sex with drunk boys rape ?
Not necessarily, obviously it depends on the circumstances, particularly whether it was consented to”
Consent you say… how can a drunk person give “consent” ? Why was “consent” not raised when talking about sex with drunk girls ? (thats just rape?)
With all the rest of the questions you simply tried to distance yourself from the views expressed on your website, though it is clear you support them.
Remember this ? “Pete George (16,551) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
And you are responsible for what you say online, don’t try and blame me for pointing it out.”
Andrei, you’re not a great representative of Christianess.
graham – I’ve already addressed that (it was not perannum as you based your figures on) and it’s been well discussed by others, if you’re interested see the thread at The Daily Blog.
I don’t care if you want to take 99.9914% as accurate, I don’t think that’s a significant point, especially as rape statistics are notoriously difficult to get accurately. And 3000 reported rapes per year still sounds awful to me.
Andrei (1,917) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Pete George you exceptionally silly little man I AM NOT PART OF A “RAPE CULTURE”.
I bought my boy up to respect women and my girls to be women worthy of respect.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes you are Andrei. By not acknowledging it you are part of it. That is crystal clear on PG’s site and in his comments. Are you thick or something, you rapist you ?
Pete George (16,554) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Kea at 7.42 – compared to what I think we should aim for here I think it’s bad. No where else matters as a comparison.
Are you suggesting that the levels of rape in New Zealand are acceptable as they are?
What an odd question.
I gather from your reply this is just a confusion over the terms used. You should have just said we have a NORMAL culture, not we have a RAPE culture. Glad we cleared that up.
nasska (5,811) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Bad news krazykiwi…..it seems that to the Dept of Statistics you are but a squashed road louse on the highway of life.
The road lice score looks very low to me. I suspect Americans have less of these infestations on their roads. We could learn from them.
You haven’t addressed it, Pete. You stated in black and white that you considered the figure of 99.9914% to be wrong, but you haven’t provided any data to back it up. Whereas I have at least tried to work out whether that figure is anywhere near correct or not.
It looks like you just decided to use that quote as a convenient segue into some point you wanted to make. If you want to write a post on rape go ahead, but I don’t quite see why you needed to follow in some other blog’s footsteps, then hijack a comment and twist it to make some supposed point that men are guilty of ignoring this so-called “rape culture”.
A 54 year old woman had a heart attack and was taken to the hospital.
While on the operating table she had a near death experience. Seeing God she asked “Is my time up?”
God said, “No, you have another 43 years, 2 months and 8 days to live.”
Upon recovery, the woman decided to stay in the hospital and have a face-lift, liposuction, breast implants and a tummy tuck. She even had someone come in and change her hair colour and brighten her teeth!
Since she had so much more time to live, she figured she might as well make the most of it.
After her last operation, she was released from the hospital. While crossing the street on her way home, she was killed by an ambulance.
Arriving in front of God, she demanded, “I I thought you said I had another 43 years?
Why didn’t you pull me from out of the path of the
ambulance?”
“Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect,
Your posts were once interesting, your comments were as well. Now lately when ever you post here it includes a link back to your blog to get to the source.
You are just like the magpie – a compulsive linkwhore. Do something about it Pete – you are losing fans
That quotes a number of stattistics, reports and estimates, including:
It has been estimated that one in six American women has been or will be sexually assaulted during her life. Largely because of child and prison rape, approximately ten percent of reported rape victims are male.
Here’s an indicator for New Zealand:
For example, 8% of Māori women experienced sexual victimisation – twice as high as the national rate for women (4%).
Wow, Paul Rand has just finished fillibustering for 13 hours straight, largely about the Brennen CIA appointment and drones. Reminds me of Mr Smith Goes To Washington.
He started around about 12pm and went until 1am…
WASHINGTON — After nearly 13 hours on the Senate floor, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., ended his filibuster blocking Senate confirmation of John Brennan, President Obama’s pick for director of the CIA.
“I’m going to speak as long as I can to draw attention to something I find very disturbing,” Paul said when he started speaking around 11:45 a.m. Wednesday morning. He finally ceded the floor at about 12:40 a.m. local time on Thursday.
But Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, also a Kentucky Republican, said he would continue to oppose Brennan’s confirmation and ending debate on it.
What started in the morning as a solo effort turned into a multi-senator debate that included one Democrat, Ron Wyden of Oregon, and at least seven Republicans questioning the constitutionality of drone strikes on U.S. citizens at home and abroad.
“No American should be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime, without first being found guilty of a crime by a court,” Paul said. “How can you kill someone without going to a judge, or a jury?”
Paul, a critic of Obama’s unmanned drone policy, started his self-described filibuster by demanding the president or Attorney General Eric Holder issue a statement assuring that unmanned aircraft would not be used in the United States to kill terrorism suspects who are U.S. citizens.
Paul said that his opposition was not about Brennan himself, but the constitutional issues involved. “We really just want [Obama] to say he won’t” attack noncombatants on U.S. soil.
There is a certain irony that a lawyer slanders so many with so few supporting facts.
@Pete George (9:46am),
What is far more ironic is that Mickey’s party (including his dear beloved David Cunliffe) would have their ‘hands on’ govt working to lower the exchange rate that would line the pockets of those farmers at the expense of a higher cost of living to all workers – higher cost of petrol, higher cost of food, higher cost of clothing, higher cost of mortgage finance.
Labour are so deeply confused and conflicted that they don’t even know who are their fundamental constituents any longer.
I’m interested in getting the facts right, Pete. Making a vague claim that we live in a “rape culture” and that somehow we’re so blind we don’t even realise it might slave your conscience in some way or make you feel that “by talking about it” you’re somehow “helping the victims”, but you’re attributing blame where it is undeserved. Stating that the majority of men “aid rape” is quite simply unfair to the majority of men.
You imply that I aid rape, simply because I am a man and therefore by definition in the majority. Well, look in the mirror, Pete. Maybe you aid rape, but I don’t.
Twelve muslim leaders met with Richard Prosser. Why do Canterbury’s muslims need twelve leaders? How many of these leaders are gainfully employed?
In the UK , 60 per cent of muslim men are on welfare.
To be fair to the local branches of the Godbotherers’ Societies there is definitely a considerable divide between what many people tolerate as acceptable behaviour between Christianity & Islam.*
I had my ice cream splurge but this time I wanted to try bringing it back up. About 1.7 litres plus jam and sherbert. I don’t want the day’s worth of kilojoules from it.
So I had a go at seeing what would happen if I tried to bring it back up. Um… interesting. Not a total failure I have to say. I did get some quantity of pink chyme goo… my gut instinct (the irony) was that most of it had in fact digested even in the short space of time from start to ‘time to chyme’. So I don’t how much came back up. 20%? 10%? 30%? Honestly no idea.
From my new experience…. it’s really not quite as easy as sticking fingers down your throat and it all neatly comes back out. It’s bloody damn near impossible to get it out!! Once your stomach gets it’s mitts on grub it has no problem with… it really doesn’t want to let it go without a fight. Trust me I got the 100% full-on vomit process working… that food was staying there… amazing eh? hahahaha
If you’ve ever spent extra hours exercising because you ate too much crap… you might be tempted to try something that takes two minutes not two hours of hard effort.
No, Pete, this thread is not “an example of proof of the culture” as you rather bizarrely claim on your blog. It is an example of ordinary law-abiding people who are fed up with being labelled and accused, without basis or justification,yet again.
The inter-action between Pete George and others on this blog has a similarity to the way that a group of Moslem men treat a Scandinavian blonde – she’s asking for it by being alone in their presence. Rape is an act of violent abuse. And the inference of people like Andrei, that if women behave like ladies they will not be raped is pretty damn offensive to rape victims.
This from someone who posts as a fan of the concept of romantic love and the sancity of marriage – that some women are not worthy of being brides …
Is this attitude to rape victims supposed to cower women from daring to come forward …
Yeah sure kea, all women fawn on the illiberal right wing male … maybe the mistake the monstrous arrogance with an expectation that you can back it up with something.
SPC….Get a context. Andrei is right in saying that if some Women didn’t loose all sense of personal respect and responsibility and didn’t take that out in public to places like bars and clubs where sexual behaviour is expected and encouraged, and drawing those who seek that, ( including those with the capacity to cross the line and rape) then incidents of rape in THAT context would be greatly reduced. A Woman getting in such a context getting voluntarialy trolleyd and then acting in a uninhibited,sexually loose and alluring manner towards the Men present greatly hightens her chances of recieving sexual attention and even more so of encountering and encouraging that rapist who will cross the line if he gets the chance.
Its not “victim blaming”…its called cause and effect and personal responsibility for ones actions and the consequences there of..
Oh bollocks – when men who look down on Moslems, who think western women are asking for it, then use the same apologetic for saying how rape incidence can be reduced, the word is hypocrisy. What next ban alcohol, women wear scarves, veils and chadors – so men can be spared from raping them?
In the age of internet porn/strippers we should have more restraint, be used to just looking unless given consent to go further. There is no excuse for rape. And those men who cannot restrain themselves from violence and or rape when drunk have a problem drinking.
PS The problem with shagging a drunk women who has passed out, is that she can not deny consent – she also cannot give consent. So exploiting a drunk female is fraught with risk.
An interesting comment from F E Smith last year on one of those links you provided, PG.
A rape accusation to cover consensual but later embarrassing (or otherwise regretted) sexual activity is still common and is almost never prosecuted when the truth comes out. It sometimes seems that we would prefer to have false accusations than risk ‘victims’ not coming forward. Having seen men remanded in custody for lengthy periods of time (and understand that the cops almost invariably oppose bail in rape cases) as a result of false accusations, I tend to be a bit more even handed.
And from ross69:
Jordan reports that the numbers for each group were 34 (21%), 62 (38%), 55 (33%), 13 (8%) respectively. In other words, only 21% of files that were examined by Jordan were determined by police to be genuine rape complaints, though there were possibly other genuine complaints which could not be substantiated. Even if all cases that were possibly genuine were accepted as genuine, it is apparent that 41% of complaints were considered to be false.
Nobody is denying the horrible nature of rape, Pete. But for you to accuse the majority of men of aiding and abetting rape, and implying that rape is normalised and condoned in our society, merely to gain some extra traffic for your blog, is unfair to the vast majority of men who find rape abhorrent. If you must have the discussion, at least frame it with some facts. On your blog you have presented zero facts with regard to this particular issue. You have presented no evidence to back up your statement that “And there are many more men, possible a majority, who aid rape by being an active participant in the rape culture / passively ignoring rape culture.”
You imply that I aid rape, simply because I am a man and therefore by definition in the majority. Well, look in the mirror, Pete. Maybe you aid rape, but I don’t.
graham has made five comments on this thread related to rape. They are all quibbling about statistics that are known to be very difficult to get accurately, and he is trying to discredit me repeatedly on one minor and largely irrelevant point.
And in none of those five comments has graham acknowledged the problem of rape, he has actively avoided that. Instead he used a typical diversion tactic, attacking the messenger.
I didn’t say graham aids rape becasue he is a man, that’s either a misunderstanding or a blatant misrepresentation of what I have said.
But graham does inadvertently make a case that he may be aiding rape by ignoring the problem and trying to divert attention to something trivial. That’s been pointed out as typical of a rape culture, denial and diversion.
On average nearly ten rapes a day are reported in New Zealand, and it’s known that many more are unreported due to shame, lack of evidence, not being able to identify the accused, or not wanting to suffer the added trauma of a trial with public exposure of what happened.
Maybe graham can address the actual issue that was raised, the problem of rape and how our culture often ignores it, trivialises it or blames the victims and attack those who rasie the issue.
I wrote and posted my previous comment before I saw graham’s comment at 6.31 am where he indirectly acknowledges “nobody is denying the horrible nature of rape”.
I also note that graham remains critical of me, but he has not criticised Kea at all for his abusive comments that try to significantly diminish the problem of rape, and he has not criticised Andre who put virtually all the blame for rape on the behaviour of women.
graham, you have said what you think about me, a number of times. What do you think of Kea’s and Andre’s attitudes to women and attitudes to rape?
PG, do not try and distort my speaking out against injustice as diminishing the problem of rape. You are trying to frame the debate in your terms by shaming any dissenting view as supporting “rape culture”.
” That’s been pointed out as typical of a rape culture, denial and diversion.” Yes. By radical feminists with other agendas. It can be ignored.
People are not quibbling about statistics. They are quite rightly asking for some solid evidence to back up you accusing us all of being part of a “rape culture”. So far you have produced nothing to back that up and simply try and shame people into silence and submission to your twisted view of your fellow man.
Kea, I suggest you read back through your comments to see attempts to shame and silence by using extreme abuse and false accusations. You did far more than “speak out against injustice”. In case you’ve forgotten here’s a few things you’ve said:
“We have a real problem in NZ with ugly bad mannered women, with personality defects, taking advantage of our young men after they have had a few drinks.”
“Pete George gets around this by implying that convicting some innocent men will “teach them a lesson” about our “rape culture”.”
“I note your concern for others only extends as far as that portion of the population you want to fuck, you greasy little prick.”
You have produced nothing to back that up and simply try and shame people into silence and submission to your twisted view of your fellow man.
Galloway, 36, was drinking at Hamilton’s Shenanigans Irish Pub about midnight on May 18 last year when a constable entered the bar to carry out a liquor licence check.
In what her lawyer termed “a grossly stupid act”, Galloway groped the officer’s groin as he made his way through the bar.
Galloway was ejected from the bar, prompting her to yell abuse and suggest the officer was enjoying the attention.
In explanation, Galloway later said she did not realise her victim was a police officer and she had “been doing this to men all night”.
The New Zealand Medical Journal in 2004 published research that found 14% of Auckland women and 20% of Waikato women had experienced at least one incident of physical and/or sexual violence perpetrated by an intimate partner, and 9% and 11% (respectively) had suffered a sexual assault by a non-partner.
* 12% of women reported experiencing sexual violence by an intimate partner (current or former) over their lifetimes
* 18% of women reported being sexually abused before the age of 16
* 27% of women reported sexual violence by non-intimates
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Executive_Summary-a.pdf — the Center for Disease Control National Intimate Partner And Sexual Violence Survey, money quotes:
* Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives
* 27.2% of women and 11.7% of men have experienced unwanted sexual contact
Dont bother with kea PG
he is a fuckwit does not debate just makes loud unsupported squawks.
Parrot chess: “debating kea is like playing chess with a parrot – it knocks over the pieces, defecates on the board, and then flies back to its flock to brag about how it won”
as for Andrei and by extension all conservative Christians
We live in a degraded overly sexualized society and this “rape culture” crap is just another confusion in a society that has turned a large number of its women into slags unfit to be brides and mothers
Is proof there is little difference between the Muslims treatment of woman and that of the conservative Christians.
You have done that for me. I was responding your accusation that we are all part of a rape culture. You should take a look at yourself before moaning about being “abused” and trying to claim the moral high ground.
Tell me what part of fair and equall treatment for all people, regardless of gender, do you actually object to ?
Pete, sadly this will have to be my last post on the subject, for I have a hell of a lot of work to do.
I will simply point to your blog, and people can make up their own minds as to your propensity to make up issues where they may or may not exist, waffle on and on, but never actually produce any sodding evidence to support your claim. Other than pointing to this thread as “evidence of the rape culture”.
Firstly, to address your complaint that I’m quibbling over statistics. All I have done, Pete, is query the “challenge” that YOU bravely raised when YOU queried someone who said 99.9914% of the NZ male population are not rapists. From your blog:
‘La Grand Fomage’ comments:
Firstly, I want to state that I think rape is an appaling crime committed by cowards.
That said…back of the envelope calculations show me the 99.9914% of the NZ male population are not rapists and have, most likely, never ever entertained the thought of raping someone
I disputed that:
I challenge you on 99.9914%. I think rapists are a small minority of males (and it should be said a very small minority of females), but I’d be very surprised if the minority is that small.
You are the one quibbling about statistics, Pete. You bravely “challenge” someone’s figure of 99.9914% NZ men being non-rapists, but produce no evidence whatsoever to prove your case.
If you check my original post at 6:51 pm, I am not trying to “discredit” you as such. I simply query whether the figure of 99.9914% NZ men being non-rapists is at all accurate, and provide some rough calculations to show that if anything, it’s under-stated. As I said at the time, if you have better stats to back up the challenge you issued to La Grand Fomage, let’s see them. But it would appear that, despite “challenging” La Grand Fomage, you have no evidence to say otherwise.
I am simply doing something that you do frequently, Pete. Asking someone (you) to back up their assertions with evidence.
Secondly, to address your statement that “I didn’t say graham aids rape becasue he is a man, that’s either a misunderstanding or a blatant misrepresentation of what I have said.”
Strictly speaking, that’s true – what you did say, however, is that (possibly) the majority of men aid rape. And as I am a man, I tend to fall into that category of “the majority”. Again, directly from your blog:
And there are many more men, possible a majority, who aid rape by:
- being an active participant in the rape culture
- passively ignoring rape culture
I think you’re trying to back-track by quibbling over semantics. But hey … people can go to your blog, Pete, read what you’ve written, and judge for themselves what it is you’re really saying.
Finally, having stated that you didn’t accuse me of aiding rape, you then ONCE AGAIN state that “graham … may be aiding rape by ignoring the problem and trying to divert attention to something trivial.”
Just not even worth responding to you, Pete. Because I know that if I try to defend myself – against something I shouldn’t even have to – you will sanctimoniously preach that I am typical of the problem. And as I have said, I just have too much damn work to do to waste time on someone who just … doesn’t … get it.
The thing is, Pete, I AM addressing the ACTUAL issue you raised. You didn’t raise an issue of rape, as such. You raised the issue of “Rape culture”. That is what your blog post is about. What I am doing – and some others – is simply questioning, “challenging” if you like, the assertion that there is a rape culture. There have been a few assertions on this, but where is the EVIDENCE to back it up? Your blog post seems to simply state it as fact. I’m questioning you on that supposed “fact”, and you’re criticising me for it.
Rape is a problem. No disagreement. Trying to manufacture a “culture” that may not exist, does not help it.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Morning, beautiful day on the Gulf…
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Republicans’ and Democrats’ brains are wired differently:
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Pissed to bits and Drag racing against your teenage kids-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8392100/Driving-like-Fast-and-Furious-court-told
Stay classy ‘Tangata Whenua’…
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:10 am
UK’s idiot prince is off to Saudi Arabia next week. No one should be surprised to know that he has already converted to islam. He intends to be the defender of faiths. He does not seem to have much truck with Anglicanism.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:11 am
There’s been a growing amount of commenting and blogging along the lines of “greedy undeserving farmers” versus “poor workers and beneficiaries”. They don’t seem to see any difference between short term emergency assistance caused by the weather versus poor workers and beneficiaries who already get significant ongoing state assistance.
I think it’s stink dissing. Droughts and farmers versus beneficiaries
And as Stuff has reported, farmers don’t seem to get many driought handouts anyway:
- Farmers – morale and money
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:20 am
I wonder if the deal that Sky Sport has negotiated with the NRL includes a significant discount on matches involving the Cronulla Sharks…
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/not-start-nrl-wanted.html
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Received a email allegedly from John Key about asset sales. Links allegedly point to .govt.nz web sites but actually point elsewhere. Someone is up to no good.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Great to see that ALL State houses have now been insulated. (low down inside page of the Auckland paper).
Vote:Well done Housing NZ.
It is a great start in terms of health provisions. Keep up the momentum.
Thanks Harold – I know you did not want anybody to know or acknowledge this.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Nanny Bloomberg strikes again: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mayor_deaf_jammer_S37gCMR9xUDKw2vx9bjFVM
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Down in Christchurch for a few hours and it’s trying to rain. Will have to take some back north.
It’s a bloody mess down. Like a bomb site in some areas.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:11 am
How interesting that the Correspondence School has squandered millions of dollars on a shonky computer system.
The chair of the board is Karen Sewell, the same Karen Sewell who was CEO of the Ministry of Education when it was rated the lowest performing government department (some achievement!) and when it signed up for Novopay!
How is it she can still sail on completely unaccountable – just like the State Services Commission that has a dismal record of disastrous appointments that have cost us a fortune? They after all were responsible for appointing both Sewell and the woeful Leslie Longstone who didn’t know NZ, our education system, the main players or the politics and consequently made a hash of everything – leaving Hekia to take all the blame.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Show us some respect, will you? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/8392979/Ngati-Toa-elders-take-issue-with-mayor
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:37 am
The same well-known “customers”: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10869706
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Interesting stuff from The Quadrant. It seems that there has been no warming since 1996 but the alarmists wont accept this – they insist that there is hidden energy in the oceans below 700m – but we cant measure this apparently – so the alarmists are insisting that where all the warming is. Idiots.
…”Dr Pachauri was addressing the real thing – surface (or lower atmosphere) temperature anomalies averaged over the whole globe. They haven’t moved since 1996. He says that the sharp warming phase which began in the late 70s levelled off in the late 90s. The whole episode lasted only 20 years, and we now know that nobody should believe the IPCC models which projected that this warming would continue into the 21st century.
Might the warming start again? Nobody knows. All we know for sure is that is either in remission or it is over.
The ACC report says that 2000-09 was the warmest decade since modern measures began. But that is because it commenced at a warm level. To pick another decade, 2003-12 was notably cool in comparison.
Some diehards suggest we should take account of apparent warming/cooling tendencies that are insignificant in a statistical sense. Such an approach seems to be an abandonment of science. If skilled climatologists are unable to detect any clear signal amongst screeds of noisy data, then that should be an end to the argument”…..
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:46 am
A comment on nasty ignorant farmers and global warming by Greg Presland.
There is a certain irony that a lawyer slanders so many with so few supporting facts.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:48 am
@Manolo 9.37am:
Yup – the bloke is a complete moron. I’m pleasantly surprised to note he is being kept in custody until April 4th.
Maybe there is hope after all….
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:07 am
Looney Len has provided a good example of the difference in mind-sets between the opposing ends of the political spectrum.
In response to Smith’s comments regarding freeing up housing supply in Auckland (making more sections available by easing current Council restrictions) Looney Len asserts that there are other ways in which housing can be made “more affordable”; such as by first home loan assistance.
So, Smith says increase supply to lower the cost. Len says no, restrict the supply and provide soft loans to pay higher prices. Len doesn’t seem to have read many newspapers in the last few years. Nor is he capable of comprehending the consequences of increasing demand even further with
hisyour soft loan money.Would you buy an inner city rail loop from this man?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Barry
Vote:no link
no truth
There has been no warming since 1996 is a load of shit.You can only honestly say there is more chance of there being warming than not.
Trend calculatorhttp://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php
Heat content
https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/20580/area14mp/gvzj8y37-1361767576.jpg
lies barry
Might the warming start again? it would have to stop first.
You are basing you story on the statistical significant of a too sort time series to have a true trend you need to increase the time series until it is statistically significant which gives a warming.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Anyone watch Third Degree on TV3 last night?
I don’t particularly Garner or Espiner but the show put the blow torch to the New Plymouth police about a wheel clamper guy there.
Vote:Very interesting and quite concerning. I’m the first to criticise our media for shit work but this is what it should be about,holding the agents of the state to account.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Damage control not working
Leaked documents detailing power struggles, political intrigue and corruption at the highest levels of the Roman Catholic Church; This comes as the Vatican has been, in the past several years, embroiled in numerous sex abuse scandals involving more than 4,000 minors. Once again people are asking what’s going on behind the Vatican walls.
Strangely reminiscent of the Bradley Manning story…
The focus is on the whistleblower and he’s in jail.
The criminals at the top keeping rolling along…until the Pope resigned.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/religion-inc/before-the-resignation.html
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Manolo (9,164) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am
“Show us some respect, will you? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/8392979/Ngati-Toa-elders-take-issue-with-mayor”
You will respect our “orthoritay” !
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Griiff
I don’t expect you to accept this, but at least have a look at it. This guy has used the Skeptical Science trend calculator. He has applied it to all the major data sets and come to a different conclusion you.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/05/has-global-warming-stalled-now-includes-january-data/
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:55 am
http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/Escalator_2012_500.gif
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:01 am
To counter you Ross12, griff posts a link to a graph showing a 1.4 deg C per century warming trend. And there’s no evidence to suggest this will change.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am
A watts is not a scientist he is a failed tv weather man.
Hes websites central theme is the urban heat island effect distorts the temperature record.
Watts still posts among other rubbish his so called scientific paper that proves this.
Unfortunately he ignores some well documented and important adjustments in his attempt to prove his claim. To have his paper taken seriously he would have to include these adjustments.Even his co authors have admitted this missing data adjustment and distanced themselves from his work
For this reason his paper if it ever gets published will prove what scientists have been in agreement on for two decades now.
Hes whole blog is built on a false premise.
In short he is full of shit
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2012JD018509.shtml
We conclude that homogenization does a good job at removing urban-correlated biases subsequent to 1930. Prior to that date, there are significantly fewer stations available in the network with which to detect breakpoints or localized trend biases, and homogenization does less well (though the newly released USHCN version 2.5 does substantially better than version 2.0). In general, there might be a need for additional urban-specific adjustments like those performed in NASA’s GISTEMP for areas and/or periods of time in which station density is sparse, but they are rather unnecessary for the post-1930s CONUS data. The simple take-away is that while UHI and other urban-correlated biases are real (and can have a big effect), current methods of detecting and correcting localized breakpoints are generally effective in removing that bias. Blog claims that UHI explains any substantial fraction of the recent warming in the US are just not supported by the data.
Another paper different method same result
Vote:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v432/n7015/full/432290a.html
March 7th, 2013 at 11:13 am
As the cities go bigger, the effect is getting stronger, and because most weather stations are in cities or close to cities, we get a possible source of bias that is as large as 1 °C per century. The idea that we can neglect this effect when interpreting the surface measurements of temperature is extremely careless.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am
1.4 deg century
Vote:based on historic co2 emissions
Are they static or climbing?
March 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Right now I just linked to two recent papers that disprove your assertions.
Vote:I could link to hundreds
denial is to keep denighing even when shown the truth.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am
linear increase in concentration.
logarithmic relationship between concentration and warming.
less warming from future emissions.
You’re going to have to face up to it one day griff. It’s peaked.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Let me show you the truth: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/trend
Vote:http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:2002/trend
March 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Well not according to these folk Griff. Where are you getting your information from ?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am
No right now you have shown me weather.
Take known weather influence out. Volcanoes, the southern osculation index and sun activity.
and you have warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u_0JZRIHFtk
The original post was there is no global warming.
90% of the energy is going into the ocean.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Nuccitelli_Fig1.jpg
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:39 am
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Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Hahaha, weather, that’s what it was in the ’90s too then griff? And that steep trend that is the basis of the whole AGW industry turns out to just be weather. In fact there’s no basis for any acceleration of warming, it’s a plain old long term trend of 1.4 deg C per century.
And if 90% of the warming is going in to the ocean so fucking what? What’s it going to do from down there, especially when all the land-ocean indexes show a decade of cooling?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am
THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office
Show me the actual quote or confirmation kea not a echo chamber runaround from a opinion piece in a newspaper.
Even in the original Australian or the daily mail opinion pieces there is no direct quote.
Facts count.
Vote:opinion is opinion
Nether of your supposed admissions actually exist any where except within the denial echo chamber
March 7th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Griff…the epitome of a warmist…then,the science says its warming….and now,fuck the science, it is still warming.
got to hand it to those that scream the hardest and loudest…more the anyone else,they have woken the people up…to their extremism.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:52 am
DPF#
Pauline Hanson is running in the Australian Federal Election!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/pauline-hanson-to-run-in-federal-election/story-fn3dxiwe-1226592135636
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Yes indeed Harriet. No doubt m’baiter will be cheering his sister on.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
All the land-ocean indexes show a decade of cooling?
Ocean heat content has been posted often right now.
That means the energy in the ocean .
you posted the temperature of the top few mills.
unfortunately the heat is a present accumulating in the oceans sooner or later probably in the next five years this will return to the atmosphere.
Again I post the simple science that you idiots can not accept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u_0JZRIHFtk
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Nuccitelli_Fig1.jpg
This is what governments and scientists base there opinion of global warming not some op ed in a news paper or on a blog
Vote:Over the past 17 years the planet has accumulated the equivalent energy to detonating 3.7 Hiroshima atomic bombs per second, every second. It takes a fundamental misundertanding of the global climate to deny that immense amount of global warming.
March 7th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
If you wondered how the asset petition was progressing, the Greens have promoted the fact that they are counting and collating it ready to hand it over next Tuesday.
How much has it cost so far? How much will a referendum cost? We know it will be ignored. Smart, green economics?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
lol griff:
Yes, I verified on the SS trend page that all land-ocean indexes show a decade of cooling.
Which means the OHC has not been rising from the deep over the last decade.
Which would necessitate the top few mm to start warming. Wake me up when that happens eh? “Probably” in the next 5 years?
I reckon what is “probably” more likely is some papers being published explaining how the oceans act as a temperature regulator. Time will tell.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Griff – Over the past 17 years the planet has accumulated the equivalent energy to detonating 3.7 Hiroshima atomic bombs per second, every second. It takes a fundamental misundertanding of the global climate to deny that immense amount of global warming.
1,984,930,645.4
1.98 billion nuclear explosions the size of Hiroshima
A minor nuclear war with each country using 50 Hiroshima-sized atom bombs as airbursts on urban areas could produce climate change unprecedented in recorded human history. A nuclear war between the United States and Russia today could produce nuclear winter, with temperatures plunging below freezing in the summer in major agricultural regions, threatening the food supply for most of the planet. The climatic effects of the smoke from burning cities and industrial areas would last for several years, much longer than previously thought. New climate model simulations, which are said to have the capability of including the entire atmosphere and oceans, show that the smoke would be lofted by solar heating to the upper stratosphere, where it would remain for years.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Oh, and this:
They’re basing their opinion of global warming on the blog of evangelical christian John Cook?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
To acquire MRP shares I will apparently need to provide –
A valid IRD number; and
A valid New Zealand bank account; and
A New Zealand address; and
A declaration that you are a New Zealand citizen or permanent resident in New Zealand; and
A confirmation that you are in New Zealand and are not acting for the account or benefit of, a person in the United States.
Why, in particular, single out the United States?
Vote:And what of New Zealanders temporally in the USA who do fit all the other criteria?
March 7th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Does GRIFF stand for Green Rabidly Irrational Fearmongering Fuckwit?
Vote:Just wondering…
March 7th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Can anyone educate Dime as to who Bernard Hickey is?
Radio Live seem to trot him out as an authority on business. He sounds like a cocksmoker
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Here ya go Dime
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bernard+hickey
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Vote:Dont like the number 3.7 h bombs a second do you nutters.
Reality is hard I know just take a deep breath and calm down.
Anger, Guilt, Pain And Sorrow are still to come.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RightNow –Wait until Griff reads about the latest NASA work on changes to water vapour levels in the upper atmosphere.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Two studies the first was funny enough the second from the nutters reaction was even funnier.
http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf
http://www.frontiersin.org/Personality_Science_and_Individual_Differences/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00073/abstract
Conspiracist ideation has been repeatedly implicated in the rejection of scientific propositions, although empirical evidence to date has been sparse. A recent study involving visitors to climate blogs found that conspiracist ideation was associated with the rejection of climate science and the rejection of other scientific propositions such as the link between lung cancer and smoking, and between HIV and AIDS (Lewandowsky, Oberauer, & Gignac, in press; LOG12 from here on). This article analyzes the response of the climate blogosphere to the publication of LOG12. We identify and trace the hypotheses that emerged in response to LOG12 and that questioned the validity of the paper’s conclusions. Using established criteria to identify conspiracist ideation, we show that many of the hypotheses exhibited conspiratorial content and counterfactual thinking. For example, whereas hypotheses were initially narrowly focused on LOG12, some ultimately grew in scope to include actors beyond the authors of LOG12, such as university executives, a media organization, and the Australian government. The overall pattern of the blogosphere’s response to LOG12 illustrates the possible role of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science,
I think I just pissed myself laughing at the nutters
Vote:fancy that axenuckle is doing the conspirowhacky thing.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
The weird world of Obama double standards.
It’s OK to kill American citizens but not to arrest suspicious black men who happen to be Harvard professors.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9913615/Barack-Obama-has-authority-to-use-drone-strikes-to-kill-Americans-on-US-soil.html
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
“They’re basing their opinion of global warming on the blog of evangelical christian John Cook?”
Yep RightNow, that’s the John Cook and his psych sidekick Dr. Stephan Levandowsky who are big on conspiracy theory studies as a tool to smear skeptics, and are quite certain that climate skeptics are mentally aberrant, even though they never give skeptics a chance to vote in their horridly self serving and skewed surveys.
And the charming Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum (which either got hacked or was left open by their own incompetence) said “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.
And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.
[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
yes i know how to google, dipshit. was meaning more his back story. political affiliations and other goss people on here seem to know.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
@Puzzled in Ekatahuna
This post seems to explain it nicely..
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/03/100000_pre-registered.html#comment-1107600
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Meanwhile irony is a dish best served COLD brrrrr
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/6/hill-hearing-global-warming-cancelled-dc-snowstorm/
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
ah, griff shows he’s got nothing left in the tank by resorting to the conspirawhacky ruse. I wonder if he even knows that no sceptics actually participated in the Lewandowsky survey, it was all done by alarmist bloggers. So they’re conspirawhacky theorists huh, who’d a thunk it?
Ross12, that NASA data showing the reduction of water vapour in the upper atmosphere is in itself a crushing blow to the alarmists’ models and theory, but it also confirms the predicted hot spot doesn’t exist.
Stick a fork in it, it’s done.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
axeman – the Gore effect remains strong even after he sold out to Big Oil!
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RightNow, watch the gwiffucknuckle just go ballistic over this
The $6 quadrillion cost of the climate scam
(Christopher Monckton of Brenchley on economics of fighting ‘global warming’)
“The capture of the once-pure environmental movement by the hard left is far from cheap for the rest of us. I have just told the annual planetary-emergencies conference of the World Federation of Scientists that on the basis of the lunatic anti-CO2 policies now fashionable among scientifically illiterate governments, it would cost $6 quadrillion to prevent the 6 degrees Fahrenheit of predicted “global warming” that will not happen anyway.”
Vote:http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/the-6-quadrillion-cost-of-the-climate-scam/#2r8pAiKH075iXtft.99
March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
axeman, I look forward to griff’s fact based response to Monckton’s arguments.
Nah, just kidding, it’ll be ad-hom attacks all the way down.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Griff is a fanatic. KB is not the only place he posts and his level of participation is higher on some other forums. He has invested too much of his identitiy in this to ever back down or objectively reassess his position.
He is in short, a nutter.
It is a shame, as he is reasonable on most other topics.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
meh – thank you
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Rape culture – we live in it? Example given in another forum:
From another:
It’s been embedded in our culture for so long many (men especially) aren’t aware of it. But it’s in evidence in many ways, in many places.
Along with our violence culture it needs to be challenged – Rape culture
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
It gives a new meaning to the words wild sex http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8622343/lion-mauls-woman-having-sex-in-bush
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Miss Dim, Ure, ross69 and Griff will support this initiative: http://www.infowars.com/russian-leader-demands-investigation-of-chavez-death/
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Utter PC bullshit. Once again trying to play the White Knight and making women out as victims. Funny thing is, in real life women tend to find guys like that creepy. Good old womens intuition a ?
How about those women, who actually think this, go off to live in South Africa or some other non European country. They will feel much safer I am sure and can escape our “culture”.
We may have a better idea of the real extent of the rape problem, if we did something about the hundreds of false complaints made. The evil bitches should have a manditory sentence of the maximum penality the victim would receive had the charges been proven, just for starters.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
P.G., either you’ve been brainwashed by feminists or are a true believer in the crap you write.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Kea, you deny it’s a problem and then go on to give what couldn’t be a clearer example of the problem by trying to turn the blame it all on women.
Yes, there are false complaints and they are crap when they happen, but they are a much smaller problem than rape is – and they wouldn’t occur if rape wasn’t a problem in the first place.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
We have a real problem in NZ with ugly bad mannered women, with personality defects, taking advantage of our young men after they have had a few drinks. I know many men who have been victims of this hideous crime and awake the next day feeling violated. The ongoing cost in lowered self esteem is hard to measure, but has been linked to a number of negative social outcomes.
“Surprise sex” is no longer the exclusive domain of men.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Explain how making up lies about being raped, is caused by real rapes ? Idiot.
(I can’t believe this wet prick. I bet he is famously unlucky with the ladies
)
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Lying bitches that make false rape complaints should be in jail.
Vote:I have a close mate whose life was wrecked by one. He never did anything wrong (Her fabricated story emerged when her boyfriend found out she had hooked up with him at the Office Christmas Party) and it wrecked his bloody life.
Career wrecked. Tens of thousands in legal bills. A suicide attempt. The poor bastard was a mess and lost two years of his life before he was cleared.
And he has never been the same guy since- tells me the embarrassment and humiliation is just too much to overcome.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
There are some women who agree with Pete George’s bleak and demeaning view of men. They are invariably ugly as sin and often sport short spikey grey hair. They hate men.
Clearly this is Pete’s target market. Go for it mate and take one for the team. Help yourself to this much ignored niche in the dating scene. Have my share. But do not go slagging off your fellow man.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Longknives – that’s crap for him.
Quite similar to how women can have their lives affected when they are raped.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Longknives (2,230) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Your poor mate but rape is a problem, men in this day and age seem to be more primitive in some ways.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
You piece of shit, comparing an actuall rape to an innocent man having his life destroyed for a crime that was never committed.
Your indifferent about truth and appear to be one of those that are happy to see innocents in jail as a message to the guilty.
I note your concern for others only extends as far as that portion of the population you want to fuck, you greasy little prick.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Kea, I wouldn’t consider you a “fellow man” the way you’ve reacted. First you blamed, abused and slagged off women, and now you’re trying the same to me, and indirectly insulting my wife (I consider I’m very lucky to have some like her as a partner).
Why have you gone berserk over this? What have you got against crap male behaviour being challenged? I’m not going to accuse you of anything but it raises suspicions why you seem to be so defensively attacking like this.
You’re a prime example of the rape culture that’s being talked about.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
What have you got against crap female behaviour being challenged Pete George?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
There’s a valid comparison between “an innocent man having his life destroyed for a crime that was never committed” and an innocent women having her life destroyed by a crime that was committed.
Calm down on the abuse, it’s doing you far more damage than me.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
I have plenty against “crap male behaviour” and do not tolerate it. On and off blogs.
What I am speaking out against is YOUR crap behaviour. Don’t try and claim the moral high ground while minimising innocent men being destroyed by lying manipulate women.
Those women who make false rape complaints are a disgrace to those REAL victims of rape. Think about that before you preach your feminst tripe.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Andrei – nothing. I’ve said here and I’ve said in the past that false rape claims are crap. I’m prepared to speak up against crap female behaviour.
And crap male behaviour. What about you?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Kea, you’ve flown off the handle here and been highly abusive and deragotory. It’s been offensive crap behaviour. I call bullshit on your tolerance (presuming you are male).
And you’ve jumped to conclusions without reading properly, and accused me of something I haven’t done.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Every false rape complaint (and I am told there are plenty) takes resources and investigators away from real victims of crime.
Vote:My friend’s life was absolutely fucking wrecked- Every workmate and close friend of his was interviewed by Police and informed of these horrendous allegations. Can you even begin to imagine how humiliating this is for someone?
I was involved as I was at the party and therefore a ‘witness’. Her allegations were so far fetched it makes my stomach churn to think she could tell so many lies and walk away Scot Free…
It was seemingly all a big game to her- I honestly think she should have gone to jail when the truth emerged (She actually finally admitted it was all bullshit)…
March 7th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Longknives, from what you say I agree, sounds like it could be deserving of jail. As I agreed earlier in general, that seems to have escaped Kea in his implosion.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Yes there are plenty. Sadly, many real rapes are not reported.
Pete George gets around this by implying that convicting some innocent men will “teach them a lesson” about our “rape culture”.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Kea, I didn’t imply anything like that, you’re either lying or you totally misunderstood what I’ve said.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
You are a fool Pete George, plain and simple.
There is a terrble crime called rape, which we all despise.
And then there are ambiguous events where a man has sex with a woman who later claims, sometimes much later, she was in some way coerced and the feminists would have us treat the man involved in these cases in the same manner as the most vile of rapists.
And thus rape becomes not a thing of female oppression but one of male oppression where the mere accusation can ruin a mans life and has.
I’ll have the slut marchers up in arms but women who don’t dress like harlots, don’t get drunk and come on to males who are also drunk, are extremely unlikely to be raped.
If you want to change “rape culture” a good start would be to encourage women behave like ladies and then men will almost certainly behave like gentlemen toward them.
But in this age of “I can do what I like without there being any negative consequences” such thinking is heresy of course
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
QUESTION
Vote:What is the difference between rape and making love.
ANSWER
Two minutes.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Two more examples of rape culture, Andrei:
That’s abysmal, a bad version of the blame it on the women excuse.
And Tauhei Notts makes a rape’s funny joke, signalling to rapists that other men think their behaviour is ok, so reinforcing their behaviour.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
False rape claims are a terrible situation. People know the high evidential thresholds for conviction for such a serious crime and so the acquitted – whether innocent or not – can only recieve a not proven verdict among his friends. It’s hard to think of a greater injustice. Yet sometimes, rape happens.
Ultimately, it’s foolish to try to compose a set of rules and laws that aren’t grounded in the fact that rape involves coitus – something that usually happens in the presence of just two people.
So what can be done? Get your prospective hook-up to sign a waiver before congress is initiated?
I think that the only practical advice we can give young men is this: “There are some women who will have no shame in falsely accusing you of rape if it’s convenient to them. Indeed, there are some women who will thrive on the attention that such a claim brings. Accordingly, for your own good, don’t have sex outside of a committed relationship with someone you trust.”
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
That’s good advice, it will certainly reduce the risks.
And while females who get drunk increase the risks substantially, the same applies to males.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
The ultimate melon Green, Keith Locke, criticises John Key for not attending the funeral of Chavez.
Locke has never completely shaken off his upbringing in a Kiwi communist home, where the parents were loyal to Stalin long after many more sensible leftists realised the Georgian was just a brutal, power-mad dictator.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8395894/Keys-Chavez-funeral-snub-mind-boggling
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
In fairness to Keith Locke – though it must be conceded that he is a first class useful idiot – he seems to be suggesting that John Key is missing out on a great networking opportunity if he doesn’t go. So the criticism makes sense if you think the purpose of a funeral is like a BNI meeting.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Here you go Kiwibloggers!
I know a lot of you will be VERY interested in this?
Occupy Auckland wins Appeal! Statement by one of the successful Appellants, Penny Bright.
OCCUPY AUCKLAND WINS HIGH COURT APPEAL!
Mainstream media coverage:
Occupy Auckland barrister Ron Mansfield explains the ruling of Judge Ellis:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2548345/court-ruling-paves-way-for-more-action-by-occupy-movement.asx
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10869644
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/occupy-auckland-protesters-win-appeal-against-eviction-ruling-5361876
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/occupy-auckland-protesters-win-appeal-against-eviction-ruling-5361876/video
http://www.3news.co.nz/Occupy-eviction-went-too-far—ruling/tabid/423/articleID/289259/Default.aspx
http://www.3news.co.nz/Legal-victory-for-Occupy-Auckland/tabid/423/articleID/289280/Default.aspx
http://www.bizbilak.com/news/occupy-auckland-protesters-win-appeal-against-eviction-ruling-tvnz
Please be advised, that as an Appellant in my own name, at no time did I express an opinion as a ‘Spokesperson’ for Occupy Auckland.
A copy of the Appeal decision of High Court Justice Ellis is available on
http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
a website for which I take full personal responsibility for content.
Also on this above-mentioned website are copies of my key legal submissions, as an Appellant in my own name, so people can read them for themselves.
The main reason I organised the setting up of this website, was to counter the defamatory lies about myself being spread by Suzette Maree Dawson, which she has published on her own private websitehttp://occupysavvy.com
Suzette Maree Dawson published on her above-mentioned private website a statement by Ben Cooney (‘Redstar’) during his livestream video coverage of the protest against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) protest on 8 December 2012:
“There’s Penny Bright – SIS informant”.
The FACTS are, that I was one of 12 people responsible for organising Auckland anti-Springbok Tour protests in 1981, I was named in Muldoon’s SIS list as a ‘subversive’, and have never been able to get a copy of my SIS file.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0711/S00086.htm
If people think I’m going to put up with these sorts of filthy defamatory lies, when I have had a proven track record going back over 40 years as an activist – think again.
I strongly recommend that those involved in the ‘protest’ / ‘activist’ movement, exercise commonsense and due diligence?
If people come from nowhere, with no proven track record in the ‘protest’ / ‘activist’ movement, and make a beeline for controlling the message, or means of getting the message out – act in ways which cause dissension or conflict within the group, spread misinformation / disinformation about people, without facts and evidence to back it up – BEWARE!!!
Being involved in ‘media’ gives such people the ability to mix and mingle and take photos from inside the ranks of the ‘protest’ movement.
Where exactly are those photos going?
BEWARE of those who act like the 1%, without openness, transparency or democratic accountability.
Why is it that as a (successful) Appellant in the Occupy Auckland Appeal, I cannot post this information up on the Occupy Auckland facebook page?
WHO are ‘Admin’ currently responsible for the Occupy Auckland facebook page, and why am I being blocked?
I note a Press Release up on Scoop – in the name of Occupy Auckland.
Who put out this Press Release?
On whose authority?
As a NAMED APPELLENT in this Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal – I for one was never contacted by this now mysterious, anonymous and apparently secretive ‘Occupy Auckland’ – who do NOT have permission or any authority to speak on my behalf.
http://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2013/03/vindication-for-occupy-auckland/
WHO now are ‘Occupy Auckland’?
Without transparency – there is no accountability.
When / where was the Occupy Auckland General Assembly that discussed the Appeal, and authorised this Press Release?
I note that Suzette Maree Dawson and her private website ‘occupy savvy’ did NOT attend the hearing of the Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal, and did not publish any of my legal documents, which arguably played a role in helping achieve this significant victory for Occupy Auckland, both locally, nationally and internationally?
Remember Rob Gilchrist – the Police informant who infiltrated the animal rights movement?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/760466/The-activist-who-turned-police-informer
Learn the lessons folks!
I for one, am not interested in working with ‘idiots, sheep, amateurs, saboteurs or provocateurs’.
Decent people, with good hearts, brains, guts and a basic understanding of the principles of natural justice, are those with whom I will work, on an issue by issue basis, where we have common cause.
In New Zealand, we have the basic human right to ‘freedom of association’.
Those who choose to associate with Suzette Maree Dawson and/or Ben Cooney – that is your right and your choice.
But – please be advised that if you choose to associate with Suzette Maree Dawson and/or Ben Cooney, I will choose not to associate with you.
(The same applies to Linda Anne Wright – but that’s another story – update coming soon….)
FYI – here are ‘Minutes’ of Occupy Auckland General Assemblies – 1 February 2012 and 15 February 2012, which record agreed decisions on a number of matters:
MINUTES OF OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY WEDNESDAY
1 FEBRUARY 2012
RESOLVED BY CONSENSUS:
“That Occupy Auckland endorse/support the PRINCIPLE of a draft Action Plan to prevent ‘White Collar crime, corruption and corporate welfare.”
OCCUPY AUCKLAND (General Assembly 1/2/2012) SUPPORTS THE PRINCIPLE OF A DRAFT ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NEW ZEALAND [DRAFT DISCUSSION DOCUMENT ONLY]
1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.
2. Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.
3. Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central government level
4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).
5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.
6. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.
7. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.
8. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.
9. Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.
10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.
11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.
12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.
13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.
14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ at Central Government Ministerial level.
15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).
16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).
17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government level.
18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.
19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.
[Feedback to Occupy Auckland can be sent c/- Penny Bright waterpressure@gmail.com to assist further debate/discussion/workshopping ]
____________________________________________________________________________
MINUTES OF OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY WEDNESDAY 15 FEBRUARY 2012
Minute-taker: Penny Bright
MINUTES OF THE OCCUPY AUCKLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY HELD ON SUNDAY 12 FEBRUARY 2012 WERE AGREED BY CONSENSUS OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING TO BE A TRUE AND ACCURATE ACCOUNT:
……
ANNOUNCEMENTS: 15 FEBRUARY 2012 NEW EVENTS:
1) ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING:
DATE: Friday, 17 February 2012TIME: 7pm VENUE: Trades Hall, 147 Great Nth Rd, Grey Lynn
GA (General Assembly) agreed that Penny, on behalf of Occupy Auckland to take the following proposal (passed by unanimous consensus at the Occupy Auckland GA, Sunday 12 February 2012), to the above-mentioned ‘AOTEAROA IS NOT FOR SALE’ PUBLIC MEETING:
1) That Occupy Auckland support the new group that was formed on Thursday 9 February 2012, at the Unite Office 6A Western Springs Rd, Kingsland – ‘Aotearoa is not for sale’, particularly focusing on opposing the proposed ‘partial privatisation’ of State-owned assets.
2) That Occupy Auckland help organize opposition to proposed State-Owned asset sales, by making available to the public, hard copy ‘submission’ forms which can be sent to Treasury, who are organizing the ‘consultation’, (‘submissions must be in by 5pm 22 February, 2012).
3) That Occupy Auckland concentrate on public ‘outreach’ activities, co-ordinating with as many other interested parties / groups as possible, preferably on a daily basis, including, but not limited to publicizing:
a. Opposition to State-Owned asset sales.
b. Opposition to the NZ Food Bill.
c. Support for the Ports of Auckland workers.
d. Support for the Tamaki Housing Group.
e. Collecting signatures for the petition for an inquiry into the Huljich Kiwisaver prosecutions.
f. Collecting submission forms opposing the sale of State-Owned assets.
That the suggested public ‘outreach’ point be opposite the Auckland Town Hall on Queen Street, but if there are other events on at that time we go there.
That the form of this public ‘outreach’ be, banners on fence, fold-up table and chairs, clip boards, and ‘protest ponchos’. Penny is prepared to help organise this activity. …..”
______________________________________________________
Penny Bright
Occupy Auckland Appellant (in my own name).
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
PG
Just to clarify:
1. According to a blog post, two guys are overheard outside a bar, possibly joking, possibly not, discussing a potential rape JV.
2. Another blogger states we have a rape culture.
On that basis you postulate that we have a rape culture. Perhaps you have got statistics indicating that the incidence of rapists is 90% of the population? 75%? 50%? 25%? 10%? 5%? 2%? 1%? Or are you just being silly and suffering from a dose of male guilt? If it hurts that much, you could you for the op because it seems that you have been emotionally emasculated so you may as well go the whole hog.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Regarding the government assistance available to farmers in officially drought-ridden areas, in a column titled “We are all beneficiaries now” Helen Kelly writes,
Solo mums are a bit like these farmers. They are working but not earning and need community support to do that…. The drought shows how important social protection systems are. When the unexpected happens – your farm dries up, you get sick, you lose your job, you find yourself alone raising your kids – the community steps in by way of tax funded Social Protection.
So farmers are now the new solo Mum’s.
http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Pete George, No it does not signal that to any normal intelligent person. It is funny because it is so wrong. Do I really have to explain that to you ? Are you really that brain washed by the feminist narrative ?
People make jokes about all kinds of awful things. Everyone knows that black humour does not mean they think it is funny.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
thedavincimode, you’re making wild guesses and then accusing me based on guesses because you obviously haven’t bothered to read any background. Before you jump in with utter tripe like that at least inform yourself about it first:
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/03/07/rape-culture-were-living-in-it/
http://yournz.org/2013/03/07/rape-culture/
If you understand that you will see that you’re displaying obvious traits from our rape culture, including abusing anyone that points it out to you.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Too funny.
I have no doubt he will come again along with all the righteous people and the Prophet Jesus and the only successor of the righteous generation, the perfect human,
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Rape happens… False accusations happen… Defending both offences to justify ones debate is pretty lame, to say the least.
A rapist couldn’t care less if their victim is young or old, fat or thin, ugly or attractive. And yes, there are women that will take advantage of the drunk male to feel attractive, knowing that come morning, she’ll be his regret.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Tut tut there goes slippery PG heading for the moral high ground again.
How about you accusing anyone who does not agree with you as being part of the “rape culture” ? I guess that is ok ?
You are not a defender of morals and I think your moral compass needs some urgent calibration. I believe in treating all the population fairly, not just the female half. Guys like you are a dime a dozen. Your a lurker who only knows one way to impress the ladies. Take their side no matter how wrong they are and always defer to them. Women generally have a few as gofers but seldom see doormats as romantic prospects.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
thedavincimode:
On his blog, Pete George writes that someone stated “back of the envelope calculations show me the 99.9914% of the NZ male population are not rapists”, and he disputes that, stating he would be very surprised if the minority is that small (IE 0.0086%).
I suspect “back of the envelope calculations” aren’t intended to be totally accurate
but let’s work through it. NZ population is around 4,450,000. Stats NZ shows we’re roughly 97 males to 100 females, which comes out to around 2,200,000 males. In 2011 police recorded 3466 rapes and related offences which, when you work it through, assuming one offence per male, works out to around 0.0016% – or 99.99842% of the male population are not rapists.
Very very rough, I know. But there you go – turns out the minority is even smaller than the “back of the envelope calculations”. Unless someone has better stats than me (always possible).
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Damn edit…
Was adding…
Women need to respect themselves more and just maybe, our men folk will follow suit. This is not laying the blame on the woman, it’s the unfortunate reality.
Food for thought though… How often is a gay man accused of raping a straight male? My guess would be, very rarely. Sober, or drunk…
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Check this out from Pete George’s site.
UPDATE: For an example of proof of the culture follow this thread on Kiwiblog
This is the same Pete George who moans about being abused. You guys are “proof” of the rape culture.
Fuck you PG. Your a low life.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
(even less actually, due to multiple rapes by one person)
Well not according to Pete George. And whats more, by questioning him, you are part of the “rape culture” eg: a rapist.
Go check out his site and see for yourself.
Hay PG, tell us what cultures are NOT rape cultures ?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Wrong question.
How many men report they have been raped ?
There, fixed it.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Yes graham, very rough, because it’s well known that many rapes aren’t reported, probably far more than are reported.
And as I’ve said elsewhere, quibbling over numbers is beside the point.
Even taking 3466 reported rapes in a year that’s a lot of lives that have potentially been severely affected, my guess is that most victims that put themselves through the trauma of a trial have been significantly affected by what has happened.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
No… Kea, I asked the question I wanted to…
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Hey Kea, most people reading Kiwiblog are not as dismissive of and full of excuses for rape as you are. But you are a part of a problem. And you are responsible for what you say online, don’t try and blame me for pointing it out.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Often enough.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/4302858/Attack-totally-random
http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/4328327/Man-sex-cases-arrest-made
http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/2989191/Music-identity-jailed-for-sexual-assault-named
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
And Graham, here is the original statement as quoted on my blog:
That’s not on a per annum basis as you have used.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
I stand 100% behind what I have said and will add to it.
1. When you accuse Kiwi men of having a “rape culture” what are you comparing Kiwi men to ?
On your site you quote this: “The first step in fighting rape culture is acknowledging it exists. The second is pointing it out so others are forced to see it. The third … I’ll figure out once we get people even to step one.”
2. How do you propose to “force” people to admit they are part of a “rape culture”
Your site suggests having sex with drunk girls is RAPE.
3. Do you consider girls having sex with drunk boys rape ?
4. Why does your site only mention this form of rape in relation to women ?
5. Where did I make “excuses for rape” ?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Cha… The first two links appear to be a serial rapist, although it seems unclear if the rapist was gay. ( and no I’m not saying he wasn’t). The 3rd link was more clear…
Given the rape numbers, I’d still say very rare. That doesn’t make it less traumatic for the victim…
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Kea:
That’s another absurd accusation.
If we have a rape culture we are all part of it, but most of us are not rapists. Some contribute much more than others to the culture, many contribute little if anything (apart from silence allowing it to continue).
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
I assume you are talking about those men wrongly accused of rape ? Do you have the figures of the number of false rape complaints and sexual assaults made?
….of course not, there is no way the cops would release those figures. It is way more than people think. We are misled and figures are distorted in order to promote more anti male legislation.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Pete, why do you post here so much, with links to your own blog? If your words of wisdom are so profound, and you have something interesting and relevant to say, would people not go to your own place of their own accord? Do you really want to be seen as a somewhat more literate version of Phil the druggie bludger?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
“Pete George (16,550) Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Kea:
And whats more, by questioning him, you are part of the “rape culture” eg: a rapist.
That’s another absurd accusation.”
Errrrrrr it may pay to check what you have said above and also on your little anti male hate piece on your own site.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
So, the 2013 Census. No forms delivered to our home. Our son was a census worker in another city, and advised we call the census hotline on Saturday. They expressed dismay and promised to post form to us. As of today, nothing. Nada, Zilch.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Pete George at 7:04 pm:
True. But you started it when you disputed the comments made by ‘La Grand Fomage’. Your exact words were “I challenge you on 99.9914%. I think rapists are a small minority of males (and it should be said a very small minority of females), but I’d be very surprised if the minority is that small.”
I just thought it would be interesting to get a rough idea. If you’ve got better data – and as you challenged the 99.9914% figure, presumably you have – then let’s see it. I’m all eyes.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Pete George………. maybe your right. Maybe we are all part of a rape culture.
Please tell us lowly “rapists” which culture is not a rape culture, so we can learn from them ?
(we will ignore that over half the population of this culture is female and they raise the kids and are the first to instill values and morals in the child)
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Kea at 7.15
1. When you accuse Kiwi men of having a “rape culture” what are you comparing Kiwi men to ?
I’m not comparing them to anything or anyone, that’s irrelevant.
On your site you quote this: “The first step in fighting rape culture is acknowledging it exists. The second is pointing it out so others are forced to see it. The third … I’ll figure out once we get people even to step one.”
2. How do you propose to “force” people to admit they are part of a “rape culture”
They’re not my words, I wouldn’t say it like that. You can’t force people to admit anything. By raising the issue and putting it out there for discussion you give people a chance to see it for themselves.
Your site suggests having sex with drunk girls is RAPE.
3. Do you consider girls having sex with drunk boys rape ?
Not necessarily, obviously it depends on the circumstances, particularly whether it was consented to.
4. Why does your site only mention this form of rape in relation to women ?
I was quoting part of one person’s post (and linked to the full post). Obvously most forms of rape can apply to either sex, but most often females are the victims so that’s what is most oftentalked about.
5. Where did I make “excuses for rape” ?
You diverted to false accusations, you diverted to abusing groups of females, you diverted to abusing me, you made things up about me. But perhaps I got it wrong. Do you think we have a significant problem with rape in New Zealand?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Pete George you exceptionally silly little man I AM NOT PART OF A “RAPE CULTURE”.
I bought my boy up to respect women and my girls to be women worthy of respect.
We live in a degraded overly sexualized society and this “rape culture” crap is just another confusion in a society that has turned a large number of its women into slags unfit to be brides and mothers – who in fact will murder infants they conceive rather than take responsibility for them.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
DG: “Pete, why do you post here so much, with links to your own blog? ”
Because I can. Why do you comment here?
I see social media as many interlinked parts. I happen to be active across a number of those parts (much more than just here and YourNZ) and use it all as a whole rather than as isolated forums. Most bloggers work across a variety of sources and destinations, I probably do it more than most.
I use my own blog for a number of purposes. One is to use it for more detail and a library of information, and to avoid clogging up other people’s blogs I post summaries and link. That’s a very common blogging practice.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
“1. When you accuse Kiwi men of having a “rape culture” what are you comparing Kiwi men to ?
I’m not comparing them to anything or anyone, that’s irrelevant.”
A total cop out. If this is bad, where is it good ? You have the entire world to choose from and not one example given.
“3. Do you consider girls having sex with drunk boys rape ?
Not necessarily, obviously it depends on the circumstances, particularly whether it was consented to”
Consent you say… how can a drunk person give “consent” ? Why was “consent” not raised when talking about sex with drunk girls ? (thats just rape?)
With all the rest of the questions you simply tried to distance yourself from the views expressed on your website, though it is clear you support them.
Remember this ? “Pete George (16,551) Says:
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
And you are responsible for what you say online, don’t try and blame me for pointing it out.”
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Andrei, you’re not a great representative of Christianess.
graham – I’ve already addressed that (it was not perannum as you based your figures on) and it’s been well discussed by others, if you’re interested see the thread at The Daily Blog.
I don’t care if you want to take 99.9914% as accurate, I don’t think that’s a significant point, especially as rape statistics are notoriously difficult to get accurately. And 3000 reported rapes per year still sounds awful to me.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Kea at 7.42 – compared to what I think we should aim for here I think it’s bad. No where else matters as a comparison.
Are you suggesting that the levels of rape in New Zealand are acceptable as they are?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes you are Andrei. By not acknowledging it you are part of it. That is crystal clear on PG’s site and in his comments. Are you thick or something, you rapist you ?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Bad news krazykiwi…..it seems that to the Dept of Statistics you are but a squashed road louse on the highway of life.
Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/psq0uatm1xs2kzq/Road%20Kill.jpg
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
What an odd question.
I gather from your reply this is just a confusion over the terms used. You should have just said we have a NORMAL culture, not we have a RAPE culture. Glad we cleared that up.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
The road lice score looks very low to me. I suspect Americans have less of these infestations on their roads. We could learn from them.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
You haven’t addressed it, Pete. You stated in black and white that you considered the figure of 99.9914% to be wrong, but you haven’t provided any data to back it up. Whereas I have at least tried to work out whether that figure is anywhere near correct or not.
It looks like you just decided to use that quote as a convenient segue into some point you wanted to make. If you want to write a post on rape go ahead, but I don’t quite see why you needed to follow in some other blog’s footsteps, then hijack a comment and twist it to make some supposed point that men are guilty of ignoring this so-called “rape culture”.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
A 54 year old woman had a heart attack and was taken to the hospital.
While on the operating table she had a near death experience. Seeing God she asked “Is my time up?”
God said, “No, you have another 43 years, 2 months and 8 days to live.”
Upon recovery, the woman decided to stay in the hospital and have a face-lift, liposuction, breast implants and a tummy tuck. She even had someone come in and change her hair colour and brighten her teeth!
Since she had so much more time to live, she figured she might as well make the most of it.
After her last operation, she was released from the hospital. While crossing the street on her way home, she was killed by an ambulance.
Arriving in front of God, she demanded, “I I thought you said I had another 43 years?
Why didn’t you pull me from out of the path of the
ambulance?”
God replied: “I didn’t bloody recognize you.”
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
…”The road lice score looks very low to me”….
I’m working on it Kea…I’m working on it!
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:03 pm Vote:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Pete George,
Your posts were once interesting, your comments were as well. Now lately when ever you post here it includes a link back to your blog to get to the source.
Vote:You are just like the magpie – a compulsive linkwhore. Do something about it Pete – you are losing fans
March 7th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
graham, if you are actually interested in the statistics I suggest you see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
That quotes a number of stattistics, reports and estimates, including:
Here’s an indicator for New Zealand:
See also:
Vote:http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/05/sexual_violence_statistics.html
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/sexual_assaults.html
March 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Wow, Paul Rand has just finished fillibustering for 13 hours straight, largely about the Brennen CIA appointment and drones. Reminds me of Mr Smith Goes To Washington.
He started around about 12pm and went until 1am…
MORE – http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/03/07/rand-paul-brennan-filibuster/1969869/
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
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March 7th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
@Pete George (9:46am),
What is far more ironic is that Mickey’s party (including his dear beloved David Cunliffe) would have their ‘hands on’ govt working to lower the exchange rate that would line the pockets of those farmers at the expense of a higher cost of living to all workers – higher cost of petrol, higher cost of food, higher cost of clothing, higher cost of mortgage finance.
Labour are so deeply confused and conflicted that they don’t even know who are their fundamental constituents any longer.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I’ve seen the Wikipedia site, Pete, where it quotes the figure of 1129 police-recorded offences in 2010. This story (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10796331) reports 3016 offences in 2010, and 3466 in 2011.
I’m interested in getting the facts right, Pete. Making a vague claim that we live in a “rape culture” and that somehow we’re so blind we don’t even realise it might slave your conscience in some way or make you feel that “by talking about it” you’re somehow “helping the victims”, but you’re attributing blame where it is undeserved. Stating that the majority of men “aid rape” is quite simply unfair to the majority of men.
You imply that I aid rape, simply because I am a man and therefore by definition in the majority. Well, look in the mirror, Pete. Maybe you aid rape, but I don’t.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Don’t mention the cricket.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Twelve muslim leaders met with Richard Prosser. Why do Canterbury’s muslims need twelve leaders? How many of these leaders are gainfully employed?
Vote:In the UK , 60 per cent of muslim men are on welfare.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Based on achievement, how many NZ First MP’s can be regarded as gainfully employed?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
I don’t think that achievement is a quality Winston actively seeks in his tame & cowered caucus Rodders.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Ooh, joana! Heresy!
You can’t say things like that.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
nasska – Winston is so vain, he doesn’t care who he is surrounded with as long as they are not taller than him
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
graham
To be fair to the local branches of the Godbotherers’ Societies there is definitely a considerable divide between what many people tolerate as acceptable behaviour between Christianity & Islam.*
Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4fgpm646j1yea3/Islam%20so%20it%20must%20be%20OK.jpg
* It is this commenter’s opinion that all religion is a load of bollocks but it offends my sense of fair play.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Bulimia nervosa attempt:
I had my ice cream splurge but this time I wanted to try bringing it back up. About 1.7 litres plus jam and sherbert. I don’t want the day’s worth of kilojoules from it.
So I had a go at seeing what would happen if I tried to bring it back up. Um… interesting. Not a total failure I have to say. I did get some quantity of pink chyme goo… my gut instinct (the irony) was that most of it had in fact digested even in the short space of time from start to ‘time to chyme’. So I don’t how much came back up. 20%? 10%? 30%? Honestly no idea.
From my new experience…. it’s really not quite as easy as sticking fingers down your throat and it all neatly comes back out. It’s bloody damn near impossible to get it out!! Once your stomach gets it’s mitts on grub it has no problem with… it really doesn’t want to let it go without a fight. Trust me I got the 100% full-on vomit process working… that food was staying there… amazing eh? hahahaha
If you’ve ever spent extra hours exercising because you ate too much crap… you might be tempted to try something that takes two minutes not two hours of hard effort.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Convert or die.
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March 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Left Right and Centre, cut that out !
Keep up the exercise brother
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Sigh.
No, Pete, this thread is not “an example of proof of the culture” as you rather bizarrely claim on your blog. It is an example of ordinary law-abiding people who are fed up with being labelled and accused, without basis or justification,yet again.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 12:18 am
The inter-action between Pete George and others on this blog has a similarity to the way that a group of Moslem men treat a Scandinavian blonde – she’s asking for it by being alone in their presence. Rape is an act of violent abuse. And the inference of people like Andrei, that if women behave like ladies they will not be raped is pretty damn offensive to rape victims.
This from someone who posts as a fan of the concept of romantic love and the sancity of marriage – that some women are not worthy of being brides …
Is this attitude to rape victims supposed to cower women from daring to come forward …
Yeah sure kea, all women fawn on the illiberal right wing male … maybe the mistake the monstrous arrogance with an expectation that you can back it up with something.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 12:51 am
SPC….Get a context. Andrei is right in saying that if some Women didn’t loose all sense of personal respect and responsibility and didn’t take that out in public to places like bars and clubs where sexual behaviour is expected and encouraged, and drawing those who seek that, ( including those with the capacity to cross the line and rape) then incidents of rape in THAT context would be greatly reduced. A Woman getting in such a context getting voluntarialy trolleyd and then acting in a uninhibited,sexually loose and alluring manner towards the Men present greatly hightens her chances of recieving sexual attention and even more so of encountering and encouraging that rapist who will cross the line if he gets the chance.
Its not “victim blaming”…its called cause and effect and personal responsibility for ones actions and the consequences there of..
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:14 am
Oh bollocks – when men who look down on Moslems, who think western women are asking for it, then use the same apologetic for saying how rape incidence can be reduced, the word is hypocrisy. What next ban alcohol, women wear scarves, veils and chadors – so men can be spared from raping them?
In the age of internet porn/strippers we should have more restraint, be used to just looking unless given consent to go further. There is no excuse for rape. And those men who cannot restrain themselves from violence and or rape when drunk have a problem drinking.
PS The problem with shagging a drunk women who has passed out, is that she can not deny consent – she also cannot give consent. So exploiting a drunk female is fraught with risk.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:21 am
None of my points answered….try again.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 3:43 am
Blaming the raped woman, or any other victim of a crime, is never a valid point. And it is all you offered.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 5:54 am
SPC, see you appear to have some issues. I would address those first, before you go attacking others for pointing out a few truths.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 6:31 am
An interesting comment from F E Smith last year on one of those links you provided, PG.
And from ross69:
Nobody is denying the horrible nature of rape, Pete. But for you to accuse the majority of men of aiding and abetting rape, and implying that rape is normalised and condoned in our society, merely to gain some extra traffic for your blog, is unfair to the vast majority of men who find rape abhorrent. If you must have the discussion, at least frame it with some facts. On your blog you have presented zero facts with regard to this particular issue. You have presented no evidence to back up your statement that “And there are many more men, possible a majority, who aid rape by being an active participant in the rape culture / passively ignoring rape culture.”
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Pete George offers two choices. Either you admit to being part of “rape culture” or you support it by denying it.
Have you stopped beating your wife yet…?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 6:42 am
graham at 8.44 pm
graham has made five comments on this thread related to rape. They are all quibbling about statistics that are known to be very difficult to get accurately, and he is trying to discredit me repeatedly on one minor and largely irrelevant point.
And in none of those five comments has graham acknowledged the problem of rape, he has actively avoided that. Instead he used a typical diversion tactic, attacking the messenger.
I didn’t say graham aids rape becasue he is a man, that’s either a misunderstanding or a blatant misrepresentation of what I have said.
But graham does inadvertently make a case that he may be aiding rape by ignoring the problem and trying to divert attention to something trivial. That’s been pointed out as typical of a rape culture, denial and diversion.
On average nearly ten rapes a day are reported in New Zealand, and it’s known that many more are unreported due to shame, lack of evidence, not being able to identify the accused, or not wanting to suffer the added trauma of a trial with public exposure of what happened.
Maybe graham can address the actual issue that was raised, the problem of rape and how our culture often ignores it, trivialises it or blames the victims and attack those who rasie the issue.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 6:52 am
I wrote and posted my previous comment before I saw graham’s comment at 6.31 am where he indirectly acknowledges “nobody is denying the horrible nature of rape”.
I also note that graham remains critical of me, but he has not criticised Kea at all for his abusive comments that try to significantly diminish the problem of rape, and he has not criticised Andre who put virtually all the blame for rape on the behaviour of women.
graham, you have said what you think about me, a number of times. What do you think of Kea’s and Andre’s attitudes to women and attitudes to rape?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:05 am
PG, do not try and distort my speaking out against injustice as diminishing the problem of rape. You are trying to frame the debate in your terms by shaming any dissenting view as supporting “rape culture”.
” That’s been pointed out as typical of a rape culture, denial and diversion.” Yes. By radical feminists with other agendas. It can be ignored.
People are not quibbling about statistics. They are quite rightly asking for some solid evidence to back up you accusing us all of being part of a “rape culture”. So far you have produced nothing to back that up and simply try and shame people into silence and submission to your twisted view of your fellow man.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Kea, I suggest you read back through your comments to see attempts to shame and silence by using extreme abuse and false accusations. You did far more than “speak out against injustice”. In case you’ve forgotten here’s a few things you’ve said:
“We have a real problem in NZ with ugly bad mannered women, with personality defects, taking advantage of our young men after they have had a few drinks.”
“Pete George gets around this by implying that convicting some innocent men will “teach them a lesson” about our “rape culture”.”
“I note your concern for others only extends as far as that portion of the population you want to fuck, you greasy little prick.”
You have produced nothing to back that up and simply try and shame people into silence and submission to your twisted view of your fellow man.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:27 am
Pete George: Exhibit A
And this creature has two children FFS
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8397584/Mother-prosecuted-for-groping-officer
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Some statistics from links I provided:
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Dont bother with kea PG
he is a fuckwit does not debate just makes loud unsupported squawks.
Parrot chess: “debating kea is like playing chess with a parrot – it knocks over the pieces, defecates on the board, and then flies back to its flock to brag about how it won”
as for Andrei and by extension all conservative Christians
Is proof there is little difference between the Muslims treatment of woman and that of the conservative Christians.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 am
You have done that for me. I was responding your accusation that we are all part of a rape culture. You should take a look at yourself before moaning about being “abused” and trying to claim the moral high ground.
Tell me what part of fair and equall treatment for all people, regardless of gender, do you actually object to ?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Pete, sadly this will have to be my last post on the subject, for I have a hell of a lot of work to do.
I will simply point to your blog, and people can make up their own minds as to your propensity to make up issues where they may or may not exist, waffle on and on, but never actually produce any sodding evidence to support your claim. Other than pointing to this thread as “evidence of the rape culture”.
http://yournz.org/2013/03/07/rape-culture/
Firstly, to address your complaint that I’m quibbling over statistics. All I have done, Pete, is query the “challenge” that YOU bravely raised when YOU queried someone who said 99.9914% of the NZ male population are not rapists. From your blog:
You are the one quibbling about statistics, Pete. You bravely “challenge” someone’s figure of 99.9914% NZ men being non-rapists, but produce no evidence whatsoever to prove your case.
If you check my original post at 6:51 pm, I am not trying to “discredit” you as such. I simply query whether the figure of 99.9914% NZ men being non-rapists is at all accurate, and provide some rough calculations to show that if anything, it’s under-stated. As I said at the time, if you have better stats to back up the challenge you issued to La Grand Fomage, let’s see them. But it would appear that, despite “challenging” La Grand Fomage, you have no evidence to say otherwise.
I am simply doing something that you do frequently, Pete. Asking someone (you) to back up their assertions with evidence.
Secondly, to address your statement that “I didn’t say graham aids rape becasue he is a man, that’s either a misunderstanding or a blatant misrepresentation of what I have said.”
Strictly speaking, that’s true – what you did say, however, is that (possibly) the majority of men aid rape. And as I am a man, I tend to fall into that category of “the majority”. Again, directly from your blog:
I think you’re trying to back-track by quibbling over semantics. But hey … people can go to your blog, Pete, read what you’ve written, and judge for themselves what it is you’re really saying.
Finally, having stated that you didn’t accuse me of aiding rape, you then ONCE AGAIN state that “graham … may be aiding rape by ignoring the problem and trying to divert attention to something trivial.”
Just not even worth responding to you, Pete. Because I know that if I try to defend myself – against something I shouldn’t even have to – you will sanctimoniously preach that I am typical of the problem. And as I have said, I just have too much damn work to do to waste time on someone who just … doesn’t … get it.
The thing is, Pete, I AM addressing the ACTUAL issue you raised. You didn’t raise an issue of rape, as such. You raised the issue of “Rape culture”. That is what your blog post is about. What I am doing – and some others – is simply questioning, “challenging” if you like, the assertion that there is a rape culture. There have been a few assertions on this, but where is the EVIDENCE to back it up? Your blog post seems to simply state it as fact. I’m questioning you on that supposed “fact”, and you’re criticising me for it.
Rape is a problem. No disagreement. Trying to manufacture a “culture” that may not exist, does not help it.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 8:38 am
You’ve chosen not to answer what I asked about what Kea and Andre have said.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 9:16 am
And you’ve chosen not to back up your assertions with evidence.
Pot, meet kettle.
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