Inevitable

March 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

has ejected MPs from the House for the first time, kicking out Labour’s and Chris Hipkins this afternoon.

Mr Mallard was told to leave the debating chamber after telling Mr Carter to “sit down ’til I’m finished” during question time.

Let there be no mistake. Any MP who ever acts that arrogantly to the Speaker will be kicked out of the House – at a minimum. Actually damn lucky not to be named.

 

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43 Responses to “Inevitable”

  1. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    Mallard showed again that he can’t control himself under pressure.

    Despite his ambitions he would make a terrible speaker – but was he showing signs of delusion that he already ruled the parliamentary roost yesterday?

    The Speaker delusion?

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  2. dime (10,215 comments) says:

    Can someone enlighten Dime as to why being named is bad?

    Is it just loss of a days pay?

    Mallards time has come. Move on. Im sure the private sector will snap him up :D

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  3. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    Im sure the private sector will snap him up

    He’s got suitable experience for someone like Ticketek.

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  4. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Despite what some people may say about Carter as speaker, no one should EVER speak to that position in that way. To have the drunk acting Peters telling him to be quiet and Mallard telling him to sit down was disgusting!

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  5. Viking2 (11,680 comments) says:

    dime (5,761) Says:
    March 28th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Can someone enlighten Dime as to why being named is bad?

    Is it just loss of a days pay?

    Mallards time has come. Move on. Im sure the private sector will snap him up :D

    So you have a CEO job for him then dime or maybe sales and marketing He’ a whizz at that don’t you know. Trained at the last election running all that stuff for his favourite charity. :cool: 8O

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  6. peterwn (3,335 comments) says:

    Trevor suggests that David Carter should seek advice from Lockwood Smith. If Trevor became Speaker I doubt he would follow his own suggestion – Margaret Wilson would be his role model.

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  7. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    Mallard was just being stupid. Anyone, Nat, Lab or Luddite-Green who addresses the speaker in that way is not making a political statement, they are undermining the integrity of parliament.
    Mallard has passed his use-by date.

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  8. Neil (577 comments) says:

    I watched the episode unwind on Parliament TV yesterday.
    What Mallard said was absolutely disgusting and I believe he should have been excluded for the day. Mallard is a funny creature – he can be so engaging and reasonable and then……..Mallard seems to have a severe personality problem
    Carter hasn’t the same easy nature that Lockwood had. Over the weeks you can see the mood in the chamber changing,for the worse, witness the boorish interjections from both sides of the house. I don’t like saying this as a National supporter, the PM is just too provocative to be funny. That smirky look after his comments fill me with dread for the future. Is this government getting too big for its boots ?
    When the PM thinks he can walk on water it’s time to get the lifeboats ready.
    I’m sure the opposition has decided to put the pressure on Carter. Norman was involved too. Of course the nasty Clayton Cosgrove was stirring around the cesspool.
    Hipkins took the overflow from Mallard’s treatment. To me Hipkins was a little unfortunate.
    Hopefully National is not going to get arrogant and lose touch with its constituency.

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  9. Shunda barunda (2,986 comments) says:

    Hopefully National is not going to get arrogant and lose touch with its constituency.

    Bwaaa!! ha h ha haa! ha haarrrrrrrrrr!!!! ha ha!

    National lost touch with it’s constituency when they failed to confront the social progressive monster in the house pretty much as soon as they took office, the S59 bullshit being one of the most visible first failures.

    Key likes wearing nannies fwock, it feels so snug and pwogwessive!

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  10. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I think you will find there are some very big games being played. It is known Carter did not want the position, and doesn’t have the constitution that will provide him with the fortitude to survive under constant pressure.

    My opinion, for what its worth – expect it to get much worse – fire works on the horizon – Popcorn anyone?

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  11. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    Neil, I agree, I think Labour have clearly targeted Carter, but I have no idea what they hope to achieve by taking him down, apart from scoring supposed political scalps.

    But also Key is also contributing to the chaos, – and his comments would be far more effective if he made them more sparingly.

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  12. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    Given that Mr. Mallard is known to read this blog, perhaps he will favour us with an explanation as to his behaviour vis a vis the Speaker – especially as we are actually all his employers.

    What about it Trev – are you man enough?

    You KNOW lot of people will be very, very interested in your reasons!!

    As I said, are YOU man enough – or do we draw our own conclusions?

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  13. scrubone (3,097 comments) says:

    What I can’t believe is how the media lapped up the “Carter is degrading in his performance” meme. Stuff didn’t even see fit to mention what Mallard had actually done in last night’s report.

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  14. Shunda barunda (2,986 comments) says:

    Come on Mallard, we know you’re out there reading…waiting….wanting to post.

    Bwark book book book, come on ya chicken……

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  15. scrubone (3,097 comments) says:

    Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_(parliamentary_procedure)

    Naming is a procedure in the British House of Commons, Australian House of Representatives and the New Zealand Parliament, whereby the Speaker or one of his deputies proposes a vote on the suspension of a member of the House if the Speaker believes that he has broken the rules of conduct of the House. Usually this is only done if the member has already been ordered to leave the House (which automatically leads to suspension for the remainder of that day) and refused to do so, or has committed a serious breach of conduct, and carries a suspension of up to five days and the loss of the Member’s salary during that period.

    It’s pretty serious.

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  16. backster (2,196 comments) says:

    It seems to me that the testing of the new speaker is planned and co-ordinated among the various opposition leaders. I think the Speaker needs to become far more authoritative and demand more respect from the likes of Mallard and Peters.

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  17. Manolo (14,172 comments) says:

    It seems Parliament is destined to bear the burden of the loathsome socialist Mallard for ever and a day.
    The thug and parasite from Hutt South deserves every bit of punishment he gets!

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  18. David Garrett (7,700 comments) says:

    Whatever else he is, Mallard is not stupid, and he knows Standing Orders and procedure like the back of his hand. He would have known before he said what he said that it would automatically lead to him being booted, and if he had tarried in leaving, probably also to his being named.

    I suspect it was just Trevor playing “my willy’s bigger than yours” with Carter, but there may be more to it. Either way, he knew exactly what he was doing and what the consequences would be.

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  19. Danny-boy (102 comments) says:

    National lost touch with it’s constituency when they failed to confront the social progressive monster in the house pretty much as soon as they took office

    So that would be the constituency that didn’t vote for National in 2011? The 52.7% that mostly voted for Labour and the Greens?

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  20. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    Interesting to see Jane Clifton’s write up and play down of it.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/8483404/Speakers-ruling-sets-stage-for-hostilities-of-biblical-proportions

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  21. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    I think Carter is doing pretty well during what was always going to be a challenging time with the opposition trying to rattle and undermine him. He takes a steady line, sensibly in my opinion allows more politicking than Lockwood did and gives them all a bit more latitude that of course wannabe speaker Mallard will exploit.
    I love his ridiculous and histrionic air of injured innocence.
    He and Little came across as bellowing bullies yesterday. Every woman watching must have shuddered.
    But Judith Collins didn’t cower which enraged Little even further. God, an uppity woman! How dare she!
    Great entertainment especially seeing Key and his ministers so easily brushing them all off like dead flies.

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  22. Warren Murray (316 comments) says:

    Naming a member initiates a process that can lead to the member being suspended. Repeated naming increases the term of suspension. The consequences are that the member cannot enter the chamber, vote or be included in their party’s vote, lodge questions, etc. This would be very serious when the balance of parliament is affected (i.e. increasing or decreasing the government’s majority). The member would not lose any salary such as can occur for being absent.

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  23. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    “But Judith Collins didn’t cower which enraged Little even further.”

    Throughout the first part of Collins’ speech Andrew Little kept bellowing. Whale has a pic and video:
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/03/sledge-of-the-day-47/

    I thought Little would be quietly building support and networking with an eye to his future, but this display from him should see a few more people have second thoughts about his leadership potential.

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  24. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    Having now watched the session, though I expect I’ll be in an absolute minority, I can entirely see why Mallard challenged the Speaker albeit in a way that saw him ejected. Carter had ruled in an entirely inconsistent manner. On the one hand chastising non government members for breaching standing orders but allowing the PM several cheap shots. His explanation was that ejecting the PM would mean the end of questioning of him. That might be the case, but does that mean standing orders don’t apply to the PM? That’s a new Speakers Ruling and a very worrying one.

    Moreover, he didn’t allow members to state their points of order, he assumed he knew what they were and ruled them out. Mallard’s reaction didn’t seem at all premeditated as Garrett’s suggested, it seemed to be complete frustration at being denied the opportunity to do what he is required to as Shadow Leader of the House (something again, overlooked in this thread). This point was well made by Chris Hipkins when he asked what it was that was out of order having not heard more than a few syllables.

    Sure Labour’s testing the Speaker, they should in precisely the same way McCaw tests a referee. Right now, Carter’s the Wayne Barnes of Speakers. Missing forward passes and only penalising one team.

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  25. David Garrett (7,700 comments) says:

    How are the gardens at the TAFE doing with all the very hot weather you have been having over there?

    Either Mallard knew exactly what he was doing and decided to bear the consequences, OR he has no impulse control at all…as is the case with most rapists and other recidivist violent criminals. You decide which one you’d prefer it to be.

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  26. David Garrett (7,700 comments) says:

    ..and just for those who don’t know the rules, Standing Orders are quite clear: when the Speaker gets to his feet, all members must resume their seats immediately, and refrain from comment until the Speaker has finished speaking and resumed his seat. No Speaker could possibley tolerate a member saying “You sit down until I am finished”…that is direct frontal attack on the authority of the Speaker. If Carter had not ejected Mallard in the face of that, he could not have continued as Speaker. It’s that serious.

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  27. Keeping Stock (9,381 comments) says:

    Senior members such as Mallard and Peters have launched a concerted attack on Carter since he took over the role of Speaker. It has been a difficult time for him; no doubt whatsoever about that, but there have been signs over the last couple of weeks that Carter was getting his feet under the table.

    There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that yesterday’s outbursts were the culmination of a deliberate attempt by Opposition parties to express their displeasure at the election of David Carter as Speaker. It is petulant, it is highly political, and it does nothing to uphold the traditions and mana of the House. Mallard and co may see it all as a big game, but the public has had a gutsful, and Carter is to be commended for standing up to the bullies yesterday.

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  28. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    David the gardens I overlook, the botanical ones at Lady Macquarie’s chair, are lovely though it is a bit hot today. 30 something, too much for this kiwi!

    Yes Standing Orders are clear regarding the Speaker being on his or her feet. However, do you not see the difficulty with the situation Carter’s got himself into. He firstly appears a partial ref, and secondly, he’s not listening to the person authorised to comment on the field regarding refs calls. Under standing orders he could enter the House and not sit down, this may well be within Standing Orders but it would certainly lead to disorder.

    I don’t for a minute think being Speaker would be an easy job, but does any one want a return to the days where Speakers were clearly partisan? That’d undo the great work Lockwood did.

    KS, the public may well have a guts-full, that’s not insignificant, but let’s not overlook the fact that one of the functions of parliament is to hold the executive accountable. Under Carter, that’s not happening and ought to trouble everyone regardless of their politics.

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  29. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    Either Mallard knew exactly what he was doing… OR he has no impulse control at all…as is the case with most rapists

    :shock: Far out!

    Brutal…

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  30. GPT1 (2,021 comments) says:

    The PM was on the Farming Show before and when asked about this replied “oh Labour and the Greens are just being dorks quite frankly”. Most amusing.

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  31. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    Yeah, funny line by the PM… great to have a PM who can crack a funny, be nice if he was also competent at this job too (or is that Joyce’s role?)

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  32. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    Paul Williams makes valid points, Carter wasn’t being consistent -and not content with getting one shot at Robertson in Key fired another, totally unnecessary and it contributed to the mayhem, putting Carter into a position that he didn’t handle well.

    Ultimately Mallard and Hipkins have to take responsibility for their ejections, and some responsibility for the mayhem they have been doing their best to induce.

    But I’d like to see soke leadership on this from Key as well, he could do much to improve the tone of debate if he wanted to by setting a far better example. Jibes are fine but he takes it too far and too often.

    As it is now Labour have some of the heat dissipated by Key’s own pissy dissing.

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  33. stigie (1,450 comments) says:

    You say some funny things Paul Williams…eh…?

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  34. Paulus (2,711 comments) says:

    Speaker Carter is not one to be rattled by the “gaggle” mob.
    He is a farmer and can handle a herd of cows, pigs and sheep.

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  35. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    Pete, I agree. The PM should be above the fray and he’s simply not. I understand his appeal, his politics are not mine but I’ve been impressed with the way he handles many situations even if I don’t agree with him. That said, he’s the Prime Minister and has to be able to handle himself better than making smartarse comments… my mate’s smarter than you, it’s neither funny nor particularly clever.

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  36. Pete George (23,823 comments) says:

    I think it’s fair enough for the PM to get a few jibes and jokes in, but he sometimes takes it too far.

    Yesterday I’d have let him away with his first dig at Robertson, even though it wasn’t necessary or relevant. He said:

    I went to school with his brother. His brother was way brighter than Grant Robertson—

    But after Mallard questioned whether it was fair to let that go with points of order Key claimed his own point of order to say:

    Rt Hon JOHN KEY: I cannot be expected to withdraw that Grant Robertson is not as bright as Alistair Fletcher. He is not.

    That was very dumb and uncalled for, it put Carter in a very difficult position and just put petrol on the opposition fire.

    The resulting points of order exchange led to Mallard’s meltdown. Key was a significant part of the problem.

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  37. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    Agreed Pete.

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  38. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Pete George
    A bit precious. Mallard isn’t such a tender flower surely.

    I enjoy Key poking the borax. Great sport and Labour generally behave like ninnies. They go all po-faced when someone has a laugh at their expense but use the most insulting language themselves.

    I can’t see Key ever having to be protected like Shearer who has to be stuck up for all the time. He is fatally wounded by his own dishonesty.

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  39. Reid (16,707 comments) says:

    There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that yesterday’s outbursts were the culmination of a deliberate attempt by Opposition parties to express their displeasure at the election of David Carter as Speaker.

    I think it goes deeper KS.

    I think they’re testing the limits.

    It’s very prickish, since he’s brand new in the job.

    But I think Mallard’s comment was calculated.

    The phrase he used IMO wasn’t off the cuff, it was too subtle, to be spur of the moment.

    It walked right up to the line past which is an automatic no-brainer naming offence but didn’t cross it, and you have to be particularly brainy like Cullen is to do that off the cuff, but Mallard isn’t that brainy.

    So I think it was a calculated use of a phrase that had been brainstormed beforehand and when the situation presented himself be bought it out and used it.

    To see what would happen.

    And now they know.

    Prickish, isn’t it.

    But that’s Liarbore.

    Aren’t they wonderful people. All mushy and gooey on the inside.

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  40. bc (1,395 comments) says:

    I haven’t seen Question time for a while,and as it turned out I just happened to watch it yesterday.
    I couldn’t believe in such a short time how much it has deteriorated.
    Carter is like a soft school teacher that can’t control the class, and now the kids are taking advantage. (And the behaviour was worse than a kindergarten!)
    There is absolutely NO respect for Carter by any of the politicians.
    John Key keeps making outrageous statements and Carter never pulls him up on it. It took Russell Norman (of all people!) to force Carter to ask Key to withdraw a particularly offensive comment he made. Until then Carter did nothing about it.
    The opposition parties are clearly fed up with it, so they act out.

    The fact that it has got so bad in such a short time shows how weak Carter is. Get rid of him!

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  41. bc (1,395 comments) says:

    BeaB @ 11.54 am:
    “I think Carter is doing pretty well”
    To quote John McInroe – YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

    “He (Mallard) and Little came across as bellowing bullies yesterday. Every woman watching must have shuddered.”
    WTF!!

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  42. David Garrett (7,700 comments) says:

    Pete G: Your last line sounds like the excuses a wife beater makes: “She makes me do it…she knows what riles me…it’s all her fault”

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  43. Boglio (78 comments) says:

    So now Labour do not like the treatment that Margaret Wilson dished out. I used to get really frustrated when the Labour minister repeated the question but gave no answer and Wilson said “I listened carefully and the Ministrer addressed the question”.

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