Madness takes many forms
March 7th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David FarrarGreg Ansley at NZ Herald reports:
Next week Daniel Nalliah will be taking his crusade against Muslim immigration and multiculturalism to the Australian Islamic Peace Conference at the Melbourne Showgrounds.
In the meantime he will be plugging democracy and the nation’s “Judeo-Christian heritage”, protecting the nuclear family, urging the pruning of big government and pushing for tax to be cut to the barest possible minimums.
Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born fire and brimstone preacher who claims to have resurrected three people and to have been instructed to head down under by Jesus, is the leader of the nation’s newest political party.
Just another charlatan and mad fraudster.
He claimed Victoria’s disastrous Black Saturday fires was a retribution for the passage of new abortion laws, and lambasted Prime Minister Julia Gillard for “living in sin”
Yes Gillard should remain a virgin, as she is unmarried.
During the launch Nalliah called for the end of a multicultural Australia, a reduction in the intake of Muslim immigrants, and the defence of Judeo-Christian culture.
He is from Sir Lanka himself. I’d say if they are to reduce immigration, they should have started with him.
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March 7th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
“Just another charlatan and mad fraudster.”
Yep, and just another attempt to link madness to Conservatism (and those who oppose redefinition of marriage by big government progressives, or multi-culturalism.)
A stink tactic.
Especially just after a post attacking Mr. Stringer for perceived breaches of pseudo-liberal thought and speech edicts and linking Progressives to Nazis.
[DPF: What linkage? If people claim they can ressurect the dead, I am going to mock them. If a liberal athiest claimed they can ressurect the dead I wuld mock them. The problem is mad men who claim they have the power of ressurection]
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Superb!
I want to hear more of what this guy has to say.
It sounds like this Sri Lankan emigre to Australia just increased the net IQ of both countries…
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
And what was that Aussie comedy show that sent a young Indian-looking dude to Bathurst in a suit and hi-viz vest to abuse Australian motorsport fans, move them along, tell them “you can’t do that here” etc etc?
I don’t think it was the Chasers but it was in that sort of style. It was brilliant. How he didn’t get thumped I don’t know.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
As much as I agree with your comments DPF, I have to add why give him the ‘air time’?
These idiots, and there are many similar to him, thrive on the fact that we talk about them (yes I’m doing the same – I’m a hypocrite). Attention is the reason for their campaign – they love seeing their names in ‘lights’. They get some sort of psychological reward for being noticed.
I don’t agree with a lot that goes on in the media, but the recent decision in the US to not give any air time to the mass murder who shot innocent school children, was one of the best responses I have ever seen.
The media, and blogs such as this can take action, and still have something to talk about – but don’t mention his name, don’t give him the power he desires.
IMHO
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Brit PM did say multiculturalism doesn’t work.
If we could see how the Muslims have over run Europe we wouldn’t be so quick to criticise this man
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
At least he came on a plane and with papers. Its over 10,000 a year now of illegal immigrants *. Its costing Oz BILLIONS every year. And yet its not the biggest wasteful fuckup from the Australian Labor Party’s Government.
Vote:Amazing.
BTW, Having a multi ethnic society is fine but having several different “cultures” practising and operating in your country- I am not so sure. I think history shows us separatism always brings problems.
* in Australia you cant call them “illegal immigrants”
March 7th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Nutters will flock together
http://riseupaustraliaparty.com/?tag=monckton
Media Release: Lord Monckton at National Press Club in Canberra on Mon 11th Feb for Rise Up Australia Party Launch
Admin | February 4, 2013 | 8:00 am | Interview / Media, Policies, Rise Up Australia | 6 Comments
RUAP Party National President Daniel NalliahGeneral Immediate Media Release – 7th February 2013
Media Release: Lord Monckton at National Press Club in Canberra on Mon 11th Feb for Rise Up Australia Party Launch
It is with great excitement that we take this opportunity to announce the official launch of Rise Up Australia Party at the National Press Club in Canberra on 11th Feb 2013 at 11am.
The guest speaker is Lord Christopher Monckton, from the Lord Monckton Foundation. He is a British Peer, UK Independence Party political candidate and has been a Conservative Party political advisor.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Griff,
Vote:It will probably “rise up” higher than the temperature has.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
“Yep, and just another attempt to link madness to Conservatism”
No it isn’t. Conservative or liberal anyone claiming to have resurrected 3 people should be called a charlatan and a liar regardless of politics.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Bathurst Indian.
Vote:
March 7th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Funny how little attention is given to the mad mullah hate preachers from the religion of peace,there’s no shortage of them.But we tend to be served up the “nutty” Christian fundamentalists.
Agenda.
Geert Wilders has problems getting halls etc to speak in while “Behead those who insult the prophet” banners are all over the place at peaceful Muslim protests.
Remember Constantinople is now called Istanbul and Egypt was a Coptic Christian country.Just 2 examples .
Madness is allowing mass immigration from populations that don’t share your worldview.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
DANIEL NALLIAH: That particular bushfire, if you’re referring to – I hope and pray that it’s not the case, but I believe with all my heart that it is the dream that I had. That we as Christians did not stand in the gap and pray and cry out to God for protection over our nation.
Vote:In fact he even claims to have prayed for and resurrected three dead people in his preaching career
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3688054.htm
Just google the friut loop.
Makes Brian bishop, ,lord mayor, president Tamaki look normal
March 7th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Judeo-Christians vs liberals and now Moslems …
This one reminds me of Hitler, arrive in a new country and then become more native than the natives, – of course it helps if you are German from Austria or a Christian immigrant …
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Monckton’s appearance at that event caused Australian climate deniers like Andrew Bolt to distance themselves from him, saying that it makes climate deniers look like the lunatic fringe.
Erm – they are already, says this blogger http://www.readfearn.com/2013/02/andrew-bolt-is-still-on-the-fringes-whether-he-stands-with-lord-monckton-or-not/
Monckton, of course, is going to be touring NZ in April. I trust everyone here will remember his lovely association with Nalliah when he hits our shores. And for conspiracy theories to abound: from Obama’s birth certificate to Agenda 21 taking over the world, to threats to take climate scientists to court. Pompous git.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Yes, I agree. It has become a regular feature of DPF’s posts.
The process works like this:
1. Find someone absurd.
2. If they can be associated with Christianity or Conservativism (or better still both) then give the story oxygen, and ensure their Christian and/or Conservative beliefs are included for completeness, oh and obviously to invoke mockery of those beliefs.
The tolerance level for ignoring someone marginally abserd drops the longer it’s been since the last post of this type.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
At least he is harmless unlike the certifiable lunatics in parliament who are seriously considering changing the institution of marriage so that two men can marry each other – which is absolutely bonkers of course
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Hey – Prosser – come back. All is forgiven……………..
you were right!!!!!
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Must suck to be you Andrei. So cross about something which has no bearing on how you live your life.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
How about introducing a bit of common sense to this thread
Vote:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
krazy kiwi
“The process works like this:
1. Find someone absurd.
2. If they can be associated with Christianity or Conservativism (or better still both) then give the story oxygen, and ensure their Christian and/or Conservative beliefs are included for completeness, oh and obviously to invoke mockery of those beliefs.”
When the target is the left or the Greens you stand and applaud this tactic. And you seek to join in and mimic the master himself.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
@SPC
Good post. Shorter Krazy kiwi: “It’s OK to mock all beliefs expect mine”
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
I like this guy. I think Western civilisation faces a clear and present danger from Muslim immigration. I think Judaeo-Christian values have been the bedrock of our civilisation.
So so far all good in my opinion. Raising the dead sounds like a miracle. I haven’t seen one myself but I have heard about them. I think some guy Lazarus was grateful for one.
Regarding the charlatan claim which DPF makes about Brian Tamaki as well. I suspect he is a true believer. In the same way that Brian is a true believer. As usual DPF is way out of this depth on this and indeed most religious matters.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
“I think Judaeo-Christian values have been the bedrock of our civilisation.”
You mean the values that Judaeo-Christian thought adopted from civilizations that pre-date Christianity?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Sigh. I think you mean the values that Judaeo-Christian thought adopted from civilizations that pre-date Judaism.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
But even according to your own post, he’s not against immigration, just immigration of people who want to radically change the society they move into.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Sure scrubone – whatever works
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Heh! This Sri Lankan reckons he can resurrect the dead.
Perhaps he can bring to life the brain of the lying troll Kea.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
“…..DPF[.....The problem is mad men who claim they have the power of ressurection....]…”
And how EXACTLY would that be a problem DPF……
You scared that Jesus is going to come back……….or Elvis…….or Muldoon ?
C’mon DPF…tell us all….
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
And to think that DPF’s OWN title was this:
Madness Takes Many Forms!
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Sorry, but there’s no such thing as Judeo-Christianity, they are two distinct systems with no common ground.
Judaism forms the bedrock of English common law, but Christianity is aligned with Rome’s civil system. The two systems have a history of conflict which originated with the schism between Paul of Tarsus and James the Just.
Religion has always been used to implement political control. Unless you can distinguish between religion and politics you will be played by Westminster, the Muslim Brotherhood, or by the Zionists.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Scott,
You say “Raising the dead sounds like a miracle. I haven’t seen one myself but I have heard about them. I think some guy Lazarus was grateful for one.” – one question not answered by Christianity is how this resurrection could have occured if a Cross sacrifice was required to redeem man to God.
This story that preceded the Cross is internal testimony that the Church theology is founded on a lie. It certainly demonstrates that salvation from mortality by grace of God is not under Christian church dominion – thus dismisses the keys of Peter theology absolutely.
Not that this should surpise anyone, given the expanded theology goes onto claim that things that are bread and wine are not bread and wine, but really something else. Something built on a lie just keeps on going in that direction.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
DPF – as someone of the Jewish faith this is something you should have thought twice about…
[DPF: What linkage? If people claim they can ressurect the dead, I am going to mock them…..
Remember about 2000 years ago there was this guy who said AND DID raise the dead…….
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Ugly Truth, the term Judeo Christian is supposed to reflect the Christian faith that Jesus was/is the Messiah. The developing point of view is that Jews are faithless to their Messiah, thus their persecution by Christianity.
One could argue that the point of the dsicples bringing the bible religion to the Gentiles was to rebel against the imperial world without use of the sword. The problem with doing this via the faith being adopted by imperial Rome is of course apparent in history since then, not just for Jews, but also “heretics” who just wanted the bible in their vernacular language.
The church of course built on the Pharisee way (via Paul) and just multiplied the precepts of men burden on the people.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
barry, I suspect DPF is well aware what the church of faith in the resurrection of the dead has done when with too much power in the rule of Europe. I would imagine that the bible story is about their faith in the resurrection of the dead by God – not any man. The story re Lazarus has to be seen in the context of unmerited grace of God. Being before and after the Cross.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
SPC, The term Judeo-Christian seems to refer to common ethics or common history, both of which are arguably minimal if not non-existent.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judeo-christian
The Christian view is that the man called Jesus was/is the Christ. This view has no place in Judaism, so it makes no sense to call it a Judeo-Christian view. The opposing point of view from Judaism is that the Christian religion is idolatrous.
Your argument of anti-imperialism seems reasonable, but it isn’t well supported by Judaism, which describes a “light to the Gentiles”, i.e the message was goal-oriented rather than reactionary. The Pharisees making the law a burden rings true to me.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
If a liberal athiest claimed they can ressurect the dead I wuld mock them.
Actually, liberal atheists come up with far worse ideas than raising the dead. People like Sam Harris are advocating for some of the most destructive tyranny enabling doctrines of the modern era, yet they are celebrated as great ‘thinkers’ or philosophers when all they are is intellectual bigots.
A nutter Christian is far less harmful, in fact, this guy could be put in the ‘entertainment’ category with no reservations whatsoever.
Sam Harris and his associated arrogant ‘progressives’ not so much.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
When the target is the left or the Greens you stand and applaud this tactic. And you seek to join in and mimic the master himself.
So Catherine Delahunty WASN’T at Tama Iti’s welcome home party?
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
I got 9 down from the climate denial whackos because I pointed out their hero Monckton is a nutter.
FFS he was twice told by the English parliament to stop representing himself as a member of the house of lords.
He has claimed to have invented a miraical cure all.
He claims to have been a adviser to the iron lady when there is no proof or mention of him by thatcher or any where else.
He has claimed in the past to have a noble prize.
The guy is a full fledged nutjob
Vote:Yet the denial wingnuts will worship every lie he makes when he is here.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Keep posting griff. Your special brand of blind madness is growing on us. 10 down and more is within reach
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
…while 20 down and more is reserved for Penny
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
diabolos:
Vote:1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,
AV — devil 35, false accuser 2, slanderer 1
March 7th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
I would have thought someone who resurrected the dead wouldn’t need to advertise it to all and sundry.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Ugly Truth, the word Christ comes from the Hebrew Messiah – thus Yeshua the Messiah become Jesus the Christ in Greek. And Christ Jesus is Messiah Yeshua etc. The concept of commonality derives from both being bible based religion.
Christians call it Judeo-Christian to claim inheritance via being the new people of the Messiah of the Jews and Jews now tolerate this term to infer that this is one for a civilisation that includes Jews and Christians – incorporating their values.
“The opposing point of view from Judaism is that the Christian religion is idolatrous” – they don’t say this much these days they just do not accept Messianic Jews/Jewish Christians as fellow Jews.
“which describes a “light to the Gentiles”, i.e the message was goal-oriented rather than reactionary”
Depends whether they thought taking the bible to the Gentiles and preaching a faith in a Creator God was without merit if it was tainted by the views about the nature of Yeshua that Jews could/did not share. Given Jewish expectation of and tolerance for Messiah’s warring with the sword in their name I don’t see the reactionary criticism as valid.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
SPC, Yes they both mean annointed, but the word Christ has the Christian associations of crucifixion and resurrection which the Hebrew word Messiah does not have. The Bible does not describe a unified philosophy, there are many contradictions so it does not have a good basis for commonality.
It’s not a valid claim of inheritance by Christians, because the Christian new covenant is nothing like the Hebrew new covenant, and because the people of the final book (of Revelation) were of Asia minor, not Rome.
Jewish tolerance is ambiguous, as Rabbinical Judiasm is descended from the same Pharasiasm as Pauline Christianity. Not all Jews are Rabbinical Jews, though.
I’m not sure how your argument about views incompatible with Judaism relates to your original argument of the gospel message being a non-violent move against Roman imperialism.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Ugly Truth, one presumes the choice to move in a non violent way was based on being a light unto the nations by being of the way of the city of peace – thus reject the use of the sword. The expectation amongst Jews was of restoration from imperial subjugation by their Messiah – thus some inferred success with the sword.
Vote:March 7th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
UglyTruth
A letter to Viscount Monckton of Brenchley from the Clerk of the Parliaments
http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/
Dear Lord Monckton
My predecessor, Sir Michael Pownall, wrote to you on 21 July 2010, and again on 30 July 2010, asking that you cease claiming to be a Member of the House of Lords, either directly or by implication. It has been drawn to my attention that you continue to make such claims.
In particular, I have listened to your recent interview with Mr Adam Spencer on Australian radio. In response to the direct question, whether or not you were a Member of the House of Lords, you said “Yes, but without the right to sit or vote”. You later repeated, “I am a Member of the House”.
I must repeat my predecessor’s statement that you are not and have never been a Member of the House of Lords
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton
Christopher Monckton is a non-scientist AGW denier, who has had articles published in The Guardian and in a non-peer-reviewed newsletter[1] of the American Physical Society (whose Council subsequently disagreed with Monckton’s conclusions)[1] claiming that global warming is neither man-made nor likely to be catastrophic. Monckton has made various false claims in the past such as that he is a member of the British House of Lords.[2], a Nobel Prize winner, inventor of a cure for HIV, winner of a defamation case against George Monbiot and writer of a peer-reviewed article.
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/lord-monckton-nobel-prize/
Yet the website of his organisation, the Science and Public Policy Institute – as of yesterday – continues to press the claim.
The site is extremely specific. Lord Monckton “earned the status of Nobel Peace Laureate (through) his contribution to the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report in 2007.”
That contribution itself is detailed. Furthermore, the website continues, “his Nobel Prize pin…was presented to him by the Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of Rochester, New York.”
What credible person would not correct the error immediately – if it is indeed an error.
To be sure, I rang the Nobel Committee that administers the Peace Prize.
Committee secretary Geir Lundestat had never heard of Lord Monckton. I emailed him the Monckton website.
“The claim is ridiculous,” said Lundestat. “He is not a laureate – no way, no way.”
Need I continue to point out the guy is a nutjob or do you see the light?
Vote:Oh wait chem trails……. nutjob !
March 7th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
I forgot one accusation about the nutter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
Monckton has asserted that he served as science adviser to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher during his years with the Number 10 Policy Unit, and that “it was I who – on the prime minister’s behalf – kept a weather eye on the official science advisers to the government, from the chief scientific adviser downward.”[30] However, John Gummer, who was Environment Minister under Thatcher, has said that Monckton was “a bag carrier in Mrs Thatcher’s office. And the idea that he advised her on climate change is laughable.”[31] Writing in The Guardian, Bob Ward of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment notes that Thatcher’s memoirs, The Downing Street Years, do not mention Monckton and credit George Guise with the role of science advisor.[30]
The Biblical world view sees Earth and its ecosystems as the effect of a wise God’s creation and… therefore robust, resilient, and self-regulating, like the product of any good engineer.
Christopher Monckton
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/christopher_monckton.html#cRkAyrhg3pXG8JxS.99
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/moncktons-deliberate-manipulation/
Vote:http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2012/11/15/christopher-monckton-files-a-questionable-affidavi/
March 8th, 2013 at 5:51 am
SPC, The presumption against violence doesn’t work because of the nature of evil. Isaiah wrote that the opposite of peace is evil, and the reason given for some instances of the death penalty in Judaic law was that it was to prevent evil from taking hold in Israel.
Griff, I don’t dispute that Monckton hasn’t been honest about his credentials, but the fact that you often revert to ad hominems shows that you often don’t have any rational argument, and your allegation that “the denial wingnuts will worship every lie he makes” show that you have a predisposition towards slander.
Conspiracies are a historical reality. The fact that open discussion of conspiracies is taboo in the MSM is a good indication that they continue today. Nick Smith’s reassurances about chemtrails are ludicrous (eg topdressing planes over the sea), and while geoengineering as a future possibility is acknowledged in the scientific media, the MSM has not addressed the evidence: the fact that people have found repeatedly abnormally high concentrations of elements like aluminiun after spraying has taken place, and the fact that chemtrails have been observed when atmospheric conditions do not support the formation of ordinary contrails.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 7:40 am
No ugly truth
The reality is the denial nutjobs are just that nut jobs.
Monckton shows the same respect towards scientific knowledge as he does towards the truth in other subjects.
The scientific consensus is global warming is real and is significant problem.
WE have a never ending stream of propaganda spread on KB as in most media that there is debate over global warming in the scientific community.
This is simple not true.
The experts all agree we are directly effecting the worlds climates.
We have a growing problem with extreme weather events.
These will become normal in the near future.
Yes conspiracy’s have happened Not on the scale or inclusiveness that nutters like you and kea claim.
To say that all 30,000 scientist involved in writing the 13950 papers that support global warming are conspiring to defraud science just to make money is as whacky as believing in a chem trails conspiracy.
As DPF posted the guy who started the party in oz is a whackjob, Claims to have resurrected the dead and that god told him the bushfire were because of the Australian abortion laws.
So is the guy that was guest speaker at the launch: Christopher full of shit Monckton.
As to slander I gave links to the facts that you dont like them speaks for it self.
3 times warned by the English Parliament for lying about his status in the house of lords.
Lying about getting the Nobel prize.
lying about a cure for aids.
lying about his position in Maggie governments.
Some hero’s in the denial movement ……eh……
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Griff
Vote:you are so wrong on so many points its a waste of time rebutting you. All I will say is that science isnt settled by consensus , there is no positive feedback occuring and hence no radiative forcing causing increased temperatures and statistical analysis by many Agencies (BOM oz and NOAA) show no increase in extreme weather events. In fact hurricanes have decreased.
You need to chnage your sources. Dumping the idiots at SKS might be a good start.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:15 am
Griff
Vote:A question. Is Michael Mann a recipient of the Nobel Prize he claims to be….
March 8th, 2013 at 8:48 am
I agreed with you about Mockton’s dishonestly, you retard.
Here it is again:
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Yes the denial wingnuts will worship the ground he stands on.
I can’t wait to see ACT and Bryan Leyland lapping up Monckton’s extraordinary rant on Agenda 21 It will all end with people in communist concentration camps, just you wait. Yes, that’s right, for 20 years, since Rio 1992, there has been a quiet move to a global world government that NONE OF US KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT! But Monckton, that bag carrier and curer of AIDS, is here to show us the way.
By the time he departs these shores ACT will also be banging on the doors of the White House shouting “fraud” and “show us your real birth certificate”.
Monckton’s list of conspiracies grows, it seems, weekly. So do his friends in the Tea Party: he’s spent a good part of the last year trailing round Nutter America where all good conspiracy theories are raised by hand.
It’s enough to make even the most right wing politician blanche.
Vote:Let’s see how they cope.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am
spindig
Is there a document called Agenda 21 which was drawn up by the UN? Thought so. So its real.
Care to discuss the science?
Vote:Some say the heats in the ocean. But it cant be because since 2003 we have had the Argo Buoy system measuring the oceans temperature (gone down actually) to 700m . There is no measurement of heat passing through.
So wheres the so called heat gone spindig?
CO2 is rising but temps havent. Are you denying that?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Yes, Agenda 21 is real, born in 1992 as a pathetic attempt for the Rio conference to look like it was doing something. A local body talkfest. How anyone can make it mean anything takes quite a leap. But then our Lord Monckton takes such leaps in his stride. Like jumping out of a plane, or riding a camel.
re: the science – it’s ok, just listen to Monckton. He’s the only credible voice on the subject.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Personally I prefer the credibilty of the following;
Jason/ Topex
RSS
UAH
ARGO
AMRES
Supported by natural variabilty courtesy of La Nina, El Nino, PDO, AMO, SO etc etc
Its ok, you stick to John Cook and SkS. Where did you say heat is? Oh thats right, youve avoided the question.
Vote:Foolish sucker.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am
now now, no need to get all nasty!
all I said was that Monckton’s the only guy to listen to on climate science. He da man.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 9:44 am
I mean, surely if ACT and the NZ Climate Science Coalition, and Climate Realists are trotting Monckton up and down the country, organising dinners, events, debates and media, then they must believe in what he’s saying, right?
Because these are our finest climate science critics…
Vote:Ergo, Monckton must be right.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am
All in red taking only those data sets the he believes trend towards his bias and ignoring the rest
classic denial.
The 0–700 meter ocean heat accumulation for 2003–2012 in the Lyman PMEL data is equivalent to 1.2 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second over the past decade. For 1993–2012, this rate increases to the equivalent of 3.7 detonations per second, and when including global heat accumulation in Nuccitelli et al. (2012) including the 0–2,000 meter oceans, the Earth has accumulated the equivalent of 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonations per second over the past decade.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 10:22 am
I’m sure all that heat is really down there just waiting to jump out and yell “Surprise”.
Serious question for you griff: how does the heat get into the ocean depths without warming the top few mm of ocean?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Think just for a little moment right now.
Vote:How does light/ energy penetrate the ocean?
How much light /energy is reflected out ?
How much effect does ocean temperature have on climate?
Your sst are the interface between the atmosphere and the ocean they are effected by wind, clouds, currents.
Warming oceans is effecting these things as well .
Its called climate change.
The energy imbalance still exists this has been measured
Global warming is still happening.
We are now seeing the effects in the number of extreme weather records being set world wide.
Global warming means over time these records will become normal weather .
March 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am
So you don’t know then.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am
They won’t answer. Especially if Nuccittelli is the best they have got. It’s so funny it’s sad. I bet they are fuming that they can’t suppress our views here too. No auto bots and rewriting posts.
Vote:Griff and spindig are the deniers now.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Griff is really displaying his ignorance.
The ocean does not reflect the present air temperature. The oceans are massive and take a very long period of time to heat up. If the oceans are warming, then it started long before we started using organic fuels like coal and oil.
This is established science and is not disputed. I am talking about the temperature of the entire ocean, not just the top bit, which is warmed by the sun and fluctuates all over the place daily.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I love the way they keep believing that extreme weather is getting more frequent when all the collated evidence proves otherwise.
Vote:Just shows how much in denial and how dumb Griff and spindig are . Keep on believing guys.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
No no, I’m with Monckton!
I prefer to take my climate science from someone who supports a political party that wants to ban Muslims, who believes that Obama’s birth certificate was forged, who invented a cure for AIDS and that Agenda 21 will lead to communist concentration camps run by a World Government.
I’m sure the NZCSC and ACT do as well.
Monckton is the Real Deal. He is THE man to listen to on climate science, as I’ve said several times on this blog today.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 11:06 am
Jason/ Topex
RSS
UAH
ARGO
AMRES
Supported by natural variabilty courtesy of La Nina, El Nino, PDO, AMO, SO etc etc
Can’t deny the data from these can you.
Vote:Wow, such wilful stupidity.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:09 am
spindig as oppossed to listening to Railroad engineer & IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri ?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 11:10 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/science/earth/extreme-weather-grows-in-frequency-and-intensity-around-world.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
England
the floods of 2012 followed the floods of 2007 and also the floods of 2009, which all told have resulted in nearly $6.5 billion in insurance payouts. The Met Office, Britain’s weather service, declared 2012 the wettest year in England, and the second-wettest in Britain as a whole, since records began more than 100 years ago. Four of the five wettest years in the last century have come in the past decade (the fifth was in 1954).
USA 2011
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2012/03/25/weather.records.due.climate.change.a.game.with.loaded.dice
In 2011 alone, the US was hit by 14 extreme weather events which caused damages exceeding one billion dollars each — in several states the months of January to October were the wettest ever recorded.
Australia
http://climatecommission.gov.au/report/the-angry-summer/
The Australian summer over 2012 and 2013 has been defined by extreme weather events across much of the continent, including record-breaking heat, severe bushfires, extreme rainfall and damaging flooding. Extreme heatwaves and catastrophic bushfire conditions during the Angry Summer were made worse by climate change.
So it continues around the world.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 11:11 am
yes, of course!
Monckton is incredibly well qualified to talk about climate science – and birth certificates, for that matter. And AIDS. And Communism and Nazis and abortion.
that’s why ACT and the NZCSC have brought him here isn’t it?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
The head of the IPCC is qualified to talk… about Railways. Indian railways.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Monckton is certainly better qualified than Gore to talk about climate science.
It’s funny how many alarmists get their ass handed to them on a plate in a debate with Monckton, and how many are just too scared to debate him at all.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 11:32 am
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March 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am
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March 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Oh is that the game?
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March 8th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Time to Jail the Climate Scamsters
Christopher Monckton is presently touring NSW presented by the NO CARBON TAX Climate Sceptics
Monckton says prosecuting ‘scientists’ is best way to stop hysteria.
SYDNEY, Australia – It’s official. What I was howled down and banned for telling the recent U.N. climate conference in Doha is true. There has been no global warming for 17 years.
Rajendra Pachauri, the railroad engineer who heads the U.N.’s accident-prone climate panel, the IPCC, recently admitted this fact here in Australia.
The Hadley/CRU temperature record shows no warming for 18 or 19 years. RSS satellites show none for 23 years. Not one computer model predicted that.
Pachauri said the zero trend would have to persist for 30-40 years before it mattered. Scientists disagree. In 2008 the modelers wrote that more than 14 years without global warming would indicate a “discrepancy” between their predictions and reality. By their own criterion, they have grossly, persistently, profitably exaggerated manmade warming.
The 17-year flatline gives Australia’s $180,000-a-year, part-time climate kommissar, Tim Flannery, a problem. In January he crowed that extreme weather like Sydney’s recent heatwave had been predicted for decades.
Skeptics, he wailed, continued to ignore the thousands of hot-weather records tumbling worldwide. Yet without statistically significant warming for nigh on two decades, recent extreme weather cannot be blamed on global warming.
Warming that was predicted yesterday but has not happened for up to 23 years until today cannot have caused yesterday’s “droughts and flooding rains,” now, can it?
Flannery relentlessly gives only one side of the story when it is his duty to give both. He is carefully silent about the thousands of cold-weather records that have also tumbled in recent years – more than 650 this week in the U.S. alone.
The Northern Hemisphere is enduring one of its coldest winters in 100 years. Before the usual suspects try to blame that too on global warming, the IPCC says – unsurprisingly – that warmer weather means less snow.
Sea-ice extent in the Arctic has reached a record high for this time of year, despite a record low last summer. In the Antarctic, sea ice has been increasing for 33 years.
There will be further extreme weather in the coming decades. It will not matter whether the world warms or cools. Extreme weather is not the new normal. It is the old normal – but the new slogan.
The best-kept secret in climate science is that extreme weather, or “tipping points,” will be no likelier if the planet warms than if it cools. For the climate behaves as a chaotic object. What mathematicians call “bifurcations” can occur at any time.
We may warm the world this century, but not by much. What is important is not only the embarrassingly long absence of warming but also the large discrepancy between the rate of warming the models predict and the real-world rate.
The IPCC baselessly predicts 3 degrees Celsius manmade warming this century. The warming rate since 1950 has been a third of that. The maximum warming rate over any decade since 1850 was equivalent to less than 2 degrees per century.
No surprise, then, that the IPCC recently gave the lie to Flannery in a special report saying extreme weather cannot yet be attributed to manmade warming. Yet its own errors relentlessly exaggerate both manmade warming and its consequences.
In 1990 the first of its five reports said that from then till now the world would warm at 0.3 of a degree Celsius per decade. Outturn: less than half that.
In 1995 the scientists said five times there was no human influence on temperature and they did not know when it would become detectable. IPCC bureaucrats got a single bad scientist – a one-man “consensus” – to rewrite the report to say the flat opposite.
That year another bad scientist emailed a colleague: “We have to abolish the medieval warm period.” His problem was that the Middle Ages were warmer than now. Today’s temperatures are normal.
In 2001 the IPCC’s “hockey stick” graph duly “abolished” medieval warming. The shank showed little temperature change for 1000 years; the blade showed a sudden spurt in the 20th century, which the IPCC – six times – blamed on us. In 2005 two Canadian scientists proved the graph bogus.
In 2007 the IPCC doctored another graph to pretend manmade warming is accelerating. The Obama administration is using this faked diagram to justify introducing a carbon tax just as the EU/Oz tax collapses.
This year will bring a fifth “Assessment Report.” As an expert reviewer I shall try to halt further fraud. It will not be easy. The weevils are at it again. This year’s new predictions, backcast eight years to 2005, bizarrely overstate already measured warming and project the exaggerations to 2050, forecasting unrealistically rapid warming.
A senior Australian police officer specializing in organized-crime frauds tells me the pattern of fraud on the part of a handful of climate scientists may yet lead to prosecutions.
When the cell door slams on the first bad scientist, the rest will scuttle for cover. Only then will the climate scare – mankind’s strangest and costliest intellectual aberration – be truly over.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/time-to-jail-the-climate-scamsters/#U7arfZiTvFwr0wh9.99
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As already mentioned to our resident ALARMIST useful idiot GRIEF, Monckton is touring NZ in April, and that he should go along to one of the meetings and DEBATE the good LORD :-0
Now that would make a brilliant youtube spectacle 
Vote:C’mon gwiff …. you know you want to
March 8th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Google monckton he is a nutty fruit loop
debunking his submission to congress.
The man lies his arse off repeatedly
Here are scientists including Professor Mann
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Monckton-response.pdf
Still as I started with birds of a feather flock together .
All good in tin hat land boys?
The Kenyan .
Fake moon landing .
Chem trails .
Riseing the dead.
God burning Australia because of abortion
all involved with a
Commie conspiracy to take over the world by the evil scientist.
Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
Aristocracy and interbreeding s finest.
Ya have to love conspirowhacky thinking .
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
axeman yeah but what does Monckton know about the Indian rail system ?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
I believe everything Monckton says because of all the papers he’s published in peer reviewed journals.
He’s worked so hard over the years on all these scientific publications, and isn’t afraid to submit his work to any kind of peer review.
hasn’t he?
Because that’s what I call a real scientist.
Vote:Someone who’s not afraid to put up their work to scrutiny.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
“Because that’s what I call a real scientist.”
I call a “real scientist” a person who allows the facts to lead to the conclusion, rather than search for evidence to support an ideology.
The IPCC was set up to -prove- AGW. It is by definition not scientific in its approach.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
“Someone who’s not afraid to put up their work to scrutiny”
Vote:Like Michael Mann?
Who has made University of Virginia spend $500k trying to avoidhis emails and calculations being revealed. Isnt he the guy who claims he has a Nobel Prize? And doesnt.
Now theres a liar and a fraud. Imagine the disgrace of having to say “Ive been cleared of wrongdoing” by the same people who gave a child molester a pass.
Oh the shame.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
I wasn’t talking about the IPCC.
I was talking about all of Monckton’s published papers on climate science.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Antiscience “Academic Freedom” Bill Dies in Kansas
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/07/kansas_global_warming_denying_bill_dies_by_default.html
But somehow, these champions of nonsense in state legislatures always seem to want to point out only some fields of science, like climatology, biology (specifically—can you guess?—evolution), and sometimes more focused topics like the Big Bang. What all these scientific fields have in common—besides being true—is that many on the far right hate them, either for ideological or religious reasons.
I forgot creationism
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
The IPCC was set up to -prove- AGW. It is by definition not scientific in its approach.
Well done mr Kea
We or at least some sort of semblance of we in the part of the one world government tm decided to look into the information from researchers the world over who were discussing a horrific prospect.
You refuse to allow the expert scientists to have a opinion of the science they have spent Their lifetimes studying.
You base your belief on spiel from a snake oil salesman like our friend lord Monckton.
All of you have conflicting views in your conspiracy thinking. You all try to attack science with appeals to authority’s like journalists, lawyers, failed tv weather men And the Viscount Monckton.
rational wiki:
Marcus Brigstocke
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Griff is really weaving rather an elaborate conspiracy theory here, linking: BIG OIL, The Carbon Industry, Religious folk, Chem Trails, Scientists, abortion, social conservatives, gay marriage opponents and rather a lot else.
I am pleased your on the AGW team Griff. We do not want you aligning yourself with those of us who tell the truth.
Keep it up
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Yeah, Mike Mann is a fraud.
shame his Hockey Stick has been repeated by a new piece of science out today.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23247-true-face-of-climates-hockey-stick-graph-revealed.html
now if Monckton were to publish, that would put everyone else to shame, I’m sure.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
I am not sure what his position is on AGW, though I gather he opposes the theory.
What does your retired Indian Railroad engineer think about the weather ?
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
those of us who tell the truth.
Parrot chess
shit on the board then run around screaming you have won.
Your truth does not come from reliable sources.
It comes from a propaganda machine.
Lawyers and journalists dont do science nether do dotty bullshit artists.
They do pr snake oil spiels for redneck wingnuts.
Easily fleeced sheepie.
Vote:March 8th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Griff,
I respect the fact that you follow the AGW movement closely and have demonstrated a particular interest in funding.
I am sure you will therefore have no problem with providing the global budget for “climate research” ?
A rough idea ( to the nearest trillion dollars) about the total global economy dependent on AGW theory would also be of interest. Please include the “carbon tax” and all other taxes, as well as associated industries.
Thanks and I look forward to a prompt reply.
Regards,
Vote:Kea
March 8th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Gwiffucknuckle says: Google monckton he is a nutty fruit loop The man lies his arse off repeatedly
Well then he should be easy meat for you when you DEBATE him over the global warming scam next month huh? As the useful idiot of the ALARMISTS, you should be able to get your act together and take him on.
Stand by your (misguided) convictions. You can’t be a simpering keyboard warrior all of your life
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285661_417769391647096_1941207911_n.jpg
“First they tried to convince us with the evidence
Vote:Then when we showed the evidence didn’t support them, they manufactured the evidence
Then when we explained that their “evidence” didn’t prove their case
… They tried to tell us we (the majority) were the ill-informed minority
Then when it became clear we were far from ill-informed and far less a small minority.
They tried to ridicule us
Then when we laughed at their attempts to ridicule us
They tried to sue us
Then when they realised that threatening to sue when the evidence supported us
They tried to tell us we were mad. etc.
Finally … in the face of overwhelming evidence and lack of public interest in their non-science they get over their tantrum, they stop writing idiotic papers to journals and stop helping to write ridiculous articles for journalists … it all goes quiet …
and then they try to pretend it never happened.”
March 9th, 2013 at 11:30 am
This bloke shared a platform with the neofascist Australian League of Rights (thankfully, its satellite in New Zealand is now defunct) in his attack on multiculturalism in Oz. He’s absolutely rancid. Which is weird, considering the LOR is anti-immigration and he’s a Sri Lankan immigrant. Sort of like Anglo-Indian conservative Catholic antifeminist Babette Francis of Endeavour Forum, who has done similarly (although at least she dissociated herself from their antisemitism beforehand).
Vote:March 9th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Of what value is your of opinion of what constitutes a reliable source when you lie about posters who disagree with you, Griff?
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