More complainants

March 25th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

A Sonja Lawson complained to The Press Council:

Miss Lawson phoned a complaint to the editor of Taranaki Daily News, followed up by a letter, alleging factually incorrect and misleading information relating to the ‘abusive faxes’ column comment. She followed this up over a month later with a further letter complaining about both articles. 

She complained that no response had been received to her multiple calls, faxes and now letters to her claims that the articles are inaccurate, unfair and unbalanced; that her privacy had been breached as she had name suppression; that the headlines were inaccurate and misleading; that the paper had used subterfuge and had refused to correct errors. She demanded retraction and apologies in a prominent place in the paper. 

Very ironic that she is guilty of sending offensive communications, and when the paper reports this, she starts sending them numerous communications.

The editor of Taranaki Daily News responded to the Council that the published articles had been taken from a Court of Appeal decision and a hearing in the Hawera District Court, and he was unaware of any inaccuracy. Furthermore no suppression order was in place regarding Miss Lawson. …

Miss Lawson does not have name suppression (the Court of Appeal judgment is available online) and the newspaper had a right to report each case.

I’m amazed this case even went to a full hearing of the . Her allegations of name suppression are a figment of her imagination and I thought that would be enough to make her complaint invalid.

Also in terms of dopey complaints, we have an H Malcolm who complained to the ASA over this Tui billboard:

“Mine’s a Footlong

Just like Subway’s                                          Yeah Right”

The delicate complainant said:

“I believe this billboard breaches public decency by the inference to male genitalia and is unsuitable for public viewing.”

Oh dear.

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69 Responses to “More complainants”

  1. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Oh dear.”

    Sorry, but I am with H Malcolm and good on him for having the courage of his convictions. Its a rare thing these days, and the forces of liberalism are so powerful it takes a brave man or woman to stand against them.

    I spend a lot of time on other countries, and when I come back to NZ is is always disappointing to see this kind of shallow smut so frequently on open display. It does not happen in all countries, and those where it does not are the better for it.

    I think the smirking giggling infantile pre-occupation with double entendre and the like in NZ is a sign of shallow wit, immaturity, lack of sophistication, and in the end, just plain bad manners.

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  2. kowtow (8,738 comments) says:

    Time and place.

    Large companies using public space to sell their product do have a duty to the public.

    It used to be called common decency.

    Tui is a pretty crap beer anyway and they are IMHO using this juvenile approach as their point of difference with the other crap mass marketed beers around .

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  3. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    I agree red, well said. Along the lines of not bothering with watching 7 Days anymore, following its descent into shitbumfuckpoowee humour. FFS, what happened to smart comedians who didnt need to resort to that rubbish?

    Oh, and as for Ms Lawson, the following quote sums it up for me (as a local, I know of her) “Lawson represented herself” Nuff said.

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  4. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    All the more to look forward to when our own politicians decide it is appopriate for them to hold the press to account a la Leveson.

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  5. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    A: I get so sick of people who say “life’s too short” when life is literally the longest thing any of us will ever experience.

    B: Unless you experience my penis.

    A: I just choked on my coffee.

    B: That’s not the only think you’ll choke on.

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  6. Grendel (1,003 comments) says:

    geez there are some humourless bastards on here.

    it was obvious red would have not sense of humour, but am surprised (but not very) by the others. although the funniest thing is the fiction that sad old red ‘goes overseas a lot’. if he counts going from the old folks home to town where all the nasty immigrants are hanging about being socialists then maybe.

    what is it with moral conservatives and their face liked a sucked lemon view on life and humour?

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  7. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    Maybe Grendel we wish for better humour than bodily functions and cock size? If thats a sucked lemon view, so be it. I prefer my humour funny, not puerile.

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  8. duggledog (1,585 comments) says:

    I found it offensive in that it is a shit advert of a boorish nature. Still, middle New Zealand and all that. Tui is weasel piss

    Could they disband the ASA at the same time as the RRC and the Human Rights Commission and the BSA and Maori TV. I’ll think of a few more after dinner

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  9. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Grendel’s comment is as good as an example as you would want of how “liberals” regard those who do not subscribe to their dogma.

    Just speaking out as I have done on here, and expressing an opinion he does not agree with, and he sees it as a licence to make all kind of untrue allegations and smears.

    Incredulous that they (liberals) are apparently quite unable to understand why I just do not like them.

    The truth is they are of course not the slightest bit “liberal”.

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  10. Grendel (1,003 comments) says:

    oh ‘better’ humour, like an amusing pun, or jaunty soliloquy? maybe a nice pg rated knock knock joke?

    if you dont find something funny, bummer for you, lets the rest of us have a laugh without worrying about the moral decay of society. some of the best and worst humour is downright disgusting, its about delivery, context and relaxing your uptightness.

    i am sure in reds wonderful other countries you can have a really good laugh.

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  11. duggledog (1,585 comments) says:

    Here is a much better joke.

    Angela Merkel turns up at Airport Customs in Greece

    ‘Good morning madam, the purpose of your visit?’

    ‘Business’.

    ‘Very good. Occupation?’

    ‘Not yet, but soon’

    Ah ha ha ha ha (sorry)

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  12. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    I spend a lot of time on other countries, and when I come back to NZ is is always disappointing to see this kind of shallow smut so frequently on open display

    Go back to Saudi Arabia, then.

    Suck down a few more lemons.

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  13. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    I spend a lot of time on other countries, and when I come back to NZ is is always disappointing to see this kind of shallow smut so frequently on open display.

    I bet you were a Graham Capill fan.

    What an uptight frustrated little princess you are. You are the one trying to impose your values on others, not the dreaded “liberals”.

    Get a grip and correct yourself you whining fusspot.

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  14. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    I imagine Red to be the male princess version of Patricia Bartlett.

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  15. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Peter, I wonder what Reds gender is ? He is acting like a frustrated middle aged woman who is not getting any cock.

    The silly little bitch has no perspective. Everything is all or nothing with Red. If you don’t agree with her 100% your a commie out to destroy civilisation.

    Imagine a harpy like her running the country ! :)

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  16. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Here is today’s news from Reds moral homeland. These folk wont tolerate that filth.

    The Saudi Arabian government has threatened to ban the use of instant messaging applications because of failure to control them, Saudi media reveal. It comes a month after the minister for media and culture confirmed censorship of Twitter.

    It’s getting harder to observe around three million people subscribing to the social network in the kingdom,”

    http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-ban-skype-752/

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  17. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    Dont think red was trying to impose values on others, but correct me if Im wrong – I definitely wasnt. Nothing wrong with bemoaning poor standards of humour when we have so much good humour to chose from.

    And by all means have a go at red when he whines about socialists etc etc, but play the ball, not the man – again, nothing wrong with asking for smart funny humour, as opposed to oh Ive got a 9 foot dong. Please. Havent we got past being 5 year olds?

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  18. big bruv (14,135 comments) says:

    “I spend a lot of time on other countries”

    Let me know which of those other countries you want to spend more time “on” (sic) and I would be glad to pay a one way airfare.

    Of course the fun thing to do would be to guess which one you might pick to spend more time “on”.

    I’m guessing it might be Singapore, that bastion of free expression and individual rights, the place where every news broadcast praises “our glorious government”.

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  19. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Havent we got past being 5 year olds?

    Yes. So ignore it.

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  20. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    oh ‘better’ humour, like an amusing pun, or jaunty soliloquy? maybe a nice pg rated knock knock joke?

    Or perhaps something that requires intelligence?

    if you dont find something funny, bummer for you, lets the rest of us have a laugh without worrying about the moral decay of society. some of the best and worst humour is downright disgusting, its about delivery, context and relaxing your uptightness.

    No it isn’t, it’s about being a brain dead moron and giggling like a school girl cause someone said “penis”.

    I personally don’t find this stuff offensive, but it is just the same unimaginative, boring, cliche crap that has become the backbone of NZ humor.
    It is simpleton humor and it has been done to death, dug up, done to death again and again and again.
    It’s got nothing to do with being a prude, it’s just unintelligent drivel.

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  21. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    It’s got nothing to do with being a prude, it’s just unintelligent drivel.

    The prude part is due to wanting it banned because YOU don’t approve of it. I do not like that sort of humor much myself, but I will not attempt to deny others their simple pleasures on that basis.

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  22. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Oh yeah. Let’s pretend that smutty humour is modern and Kiwi. Let’s ignore brilliant comedians who realised that punters (not all of them, but enough of them) happen to enjoy smutty humour: Benny Hill, Kenny Everett, Spike Milligan, Monty Python, the Two Ronnies……to each their own, but let’s not forget that heaps of people genuinely enjoy what a handful of others find rude.

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  23. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    dishy, your onto it. I actually do not find those comedians all that funny. But it annoys me when those fighting “smut” assume that their dislike of that style of humor is due to their superior intelligence. Humor is a very personal and strange thing. The most brilliant minds may find some smutty childish humor hilarious. I can not explain that, but who cares.

    What the Reds and Shunda barundas of the world are really fighting against is people laughing.

    What a bunch of joyless purse lipped lemon sucking old harpies they both are.

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  24. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    I think they just need to get laid.

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  25. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    The prude part is due to wanting it banned because YOU don’t approve of it.

    I never said I don’t approve, I just called it for what it is: unimaginative cliche crap that has been done to death.

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  26. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    “Mine’s a Footlong

    Just like Subway’s Yeah Right”

    So what makes you think he’s not talking about his foot?

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  27. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    dishy, your onto it. I actually do not find those comedians all that funny. But it annoys me when those fighting “smut” assume that their dislike of that style of humor is due to their superior intelligence.

    Well I guess kicking a foot ball into a groin is slightly lower than “smut” on the need for intelligence, but not by much.

    What the Reds and Shunda barundas of the world are really fighting against is people laughing.

    What a bunch of joyless purse lipped lemon sucking old harpies they both are.

    Yet people say they like being around me for my sense of humor.

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  28. dishy (248 comments) says:

    What I have often found with humour – especially in the workplace – is that people are prone to laughing and then realising that they should, apparently, have been offended. My theory is that humour moves more quickly than the learned ability to be offended.

    Most of the members of Monty Python were, I believe, educated at Cambridge University or Oxford University. They are certainly intelligent men who can be exceedingly funny in a variety of ways. If you don’t like their grubby stuff, that’s your prerogative. But few people will care.

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  29. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    I think they just need to get laid.

    I think you just need to grow up.

    Diddle

    Tee hee he he hee!!

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  30. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Yet people say they like being around me for my sense of humor.’

    Really Shunda? Tell us a joke then.

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  31. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Really Shunda? Tell us a joke then.

    I’m more into parody than telling jokes.

    And I’m really good at it.

    I get a lot of material from this blog actually… :)

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  32. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Dont think red was trying to impose values on others, but correct me if Im wrong”

    What that idiot Kea believes, along with other self described liberals commenting here is that to pass judgment on something is to insist that others must conform to that judgment.

    It is a delusion that underpins everything this tiresome slow witted bore believes, in that he really thinks that because he is a fuckwit, I am trying to stop him from being a fuckwit.

    Example- I am trying to force him to believe in God. I am trying to force him to reject the redefinition of marriage. I am trying to prevent him (on this occasion) from enjoying smut if he so chooses.

    All completely incorrect. You are free to choose your own path in all of those issues Kea, but do not expect me to accept it uncritically of refrain from judging you on those choices. Go ahead- watch braindead low class smut till your brain rots if that is your choice. You’re completely free to do that, and I will not try and stop you.

    I will though judge you as a fucking idiot. That’s freedom you see. You are free to be as dumb as you like, and I am free to point out how dumb you are, but I repeat- I have no wish to stop you, as you always so frantically believe.

    And you believe this to an extent that makes me think you are brain damaged.

    Example-

    “The prude part is due to wanting it banned because YOU don’t approve of it.”

    Wrong. It is as if you need this obsessive delusion to sustain you. Just insane.

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  33. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    My theory is that humour moves more quickly than the learned ability to be offended.

    dishy, Your theory sounds good to me.

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  34. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    My theory is that humour moves more quickly than the learned ability to be offended.

    dishy, Your theory sounds good to me.

    You’ll be purchasing artwork painted with human feces in the near future then?

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  35. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    The following is a quote from the KB Taliban on morality, standards and proper behaviour. Pay attention sinners while Red tells you how to speak properly and avoid “braindead low class smut”

    …he really thinks that because he is a fuckwit, I am trying to stop him from being a fuckwit.

    Classy :)

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  36. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Sounds like Red runs a high class porn site somewhere offshore. Commies from China, south Asia or Arab Moslems?

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  37. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Kea and his fellow Progressive Bigot Bruv claim they are tolerant, yet here they are absolutely enraged that someone should have a different opinion, with Kea insanely condemning everyone as a control freak, and Bigot Bruv wanting to send them to gulags.

    This is what these so called “liberals’ have done to NZ, made it a place where one is condemned or threatened with being exiled for expressing any opinion that runs counter to liberal orthodoxy. So desperate are they to enforce blanket conformity of thought.

    Liberal is another word where the left have so turned it around that nowadays it no longer means tolerant of other viewpoints, but rather it is in practice a substitute for “intolerant bigot”.

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  38. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda (2,519) Says:
    March 25th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    My theory is that humour moves more quickly than the learned ability to be offended.

    dishy, Your theory sounds good to me.

    You’ll be purchasing artwork painted with human feces in the near future then?

    Yes of course. It goes without saying that “purchasing artwork painted with human feces” goes hand in hand with accurate observation of people. You simply can not have one without the other.

    It was clearly the whole point of my posts and “purchasing artwork painted with human feces” was a central theme. I would have stated that “purchasing artwork painted with human feces” was the whole point but thought it too obvious to be worth mentioning. I did not want to insult your intelligence.

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  39. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Kea, don’t you get sick and tired of playing along with the attitudes prepared for you by the ‘progressive’ masses? Don’t you think it strange that a beer companies billboards have become a national institution?

    Why is that?

    How did we as a country get to the point that low grade “swill” advertisements become larger than life?

    Is there really nothing else going on?

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  40. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Sounds like Red runs a high class porn site somewhere offshore.

    SPC, suspect most of Reds genre is banned by international convention.

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  41. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    The thing that makes me cringe quite frequently is the little double entendres that are on bumper stickers or painted on tradesman’s vans.

    Cleaning gutters, painting roofs, mowing lawns, plumbing or whatever they all seem to so badly need to have some pathetic unintelligent play on words that has some kind of sexual connotation.

    When I read them, I just think here I am again, back in the land of clod hopping fuckwits. A truth this thread has so amply demonstrated.

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  42. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    SPC, suspect most of Reds genre is banned by international convention.

    That’s a pretty messed up thing to say Kea.

    It’s interesting how cultural nihilism works and the types of people that suddenly become allies, here we have SPC and Kea: two strong adversaries at any other time suddenly united for some ‘strange’ reason.
    A strong left winger and a strong ‘libertarian’?.

    Cultural and social nihilism.

    You guys make Redbaiter sound very credible in my opinion.

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  43. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Like Redbaiter, I used to criticise people for “pre-occupation with double entendre”. But then I got a job as a cocktail barman. One night at work, this woman came up to me and asked me for a double entendre. So I gave her one.

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  44. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Exactly right Shunda. It is why I say Kea is worth nothing in the fight against the left, for he is so fucked up in his ideology, he will at any time seek to befriend the left and shoot you in the back.

    We will never win any cultural war by asking for the support of such clueless imbeciles. Better to lump them in with the confirmed left and be done with it. No chance of betrayal then.

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  45. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda, you must be new here if you think I play along with the whole left/right thing.

    I form my views based on what I know of the topic at hand. Some times I am called a liberal communist and other times I am accused of being a redneck conservative.

    I believe in as much individual liberty as possible, tempered with personal responsibility. I am opposed to all censorship and have no time for those who claim they are harmed by words and use that as an excuse for denying free expression.

    I agree in general with your comments regarding humor and advertising etc. But that is for the market to decide, not me.

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  46. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Shunda, do you know what a running gag is, Kea prefers foreign women and Red constantly prefers foreign ways to our own, thus cheap local smut infers classier foreign erotica … – so what is Red trying to sell to us and particularly Kea here?

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  47. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “other times I am accused of being a redneck conservative.”

    I have never seen you called that and I have never read anything from you that might give rise to that accusation. I think you made it up. If you didn’t, it surely would have been a complete misapplication of the phrase. I think you are a wet liberal with only a paper thin understanding of Conservatism. Just like most on the left.

    True Conservatives are always pretty much rock solid, for you have to get it to be one.

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  48. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Shunda, you pose those of “a cultural and social nihilism” as either of the left or libertarian. This only says that you are neither of the left or a libertarian and see others who oppose your own social conservatism as one or the other.

    Then of course when you pose yourself as pro environment, as you do on frogblog, you divide against many of the right who put the economy first – showing how we are all not on of one group mind/party on all issues

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  49. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    It’s interesting how cultural nihilism works and the types of people that suddenly become allies, here we have SPC and Kea: two strong adversaries at any other time suddenly united for some ‘strange’ reason.

    Nothing strange about it. What your implying is that we should oppose people on everything, because we disagree on some things, regardless of the merits of their position. Not a very logical or credible position to take. Red does this all the time and she is neither credible or logical as a result.

    My buddy SPC is a communist and I feel a strong social responsibility to help SPC. SPC is no dummy and with patient nurturing can be restored to full health.

    Red, on the other hand, is not responding to therapy and I am very concerned about her.

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  50. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Kea, I am not sure who at the SIS leaked the details, but yes I was in receipt of Socialist Action League media when at university. But I never officially joined any left wing group or party – unless alcohol was provided.

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  51. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Shunda, you pose those of “a cultural and social nihilism” as either of the left or libertarian. This only says that you are neither of the left or a libertarian and see others who oppose your own social conservatism as one or the other.

    Those two groups have influenced NZ morality and social direction more than any others by far. The left got away with it only because the libertarians let them get away with it. Other perspectives exist, but they are a tiny minority compared to those two, so even if you are right, I am not exactly being unreasonable.

    Then of course when you pose yourself as pro environment, as you do on frogblog, you divide against many of the right who put the economy first – showing how we are all not on of one group mind/party on all issues

    That’s true, but only to a certain extent. I have tried very hard over the years to find good aspects about the Greens on the environmental front, but what I find time and again is the environment used as a political Trojan horse for a left wing social agenda. It is because I am concerned about the environment that I have to reject almost all of what the Greens are about!!

    Do you really believe that someone like me can be truly concerned about environmental sustainability and not support the Greens?

    The ‘right’ in this country is more fractured than the left any way, it’s a complete shambles actually, the only reason we have a supposedly ‘right’ wing government is because they appease the social progressives.

    And for the record, I don’t think I have ever been particularly well regarded on either frogblog or Kiwiblog.

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  52. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    SPC, it is unfortunate your education did not extend to learning that socialism does not work in real life. Neither does Reds brand of totalitarianism, which I still struggle to box & label. I think she will be more reasonable if she gets a man in her life. She has been awfully rude and coarse lately. She is really rather unpleasant, poor thing. :)

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  53. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Nothing strange about it. What your implying is that we should oppose people on everything, because we disagree on some things, regardless of the merits of their position.

    No I’m not, I talking about the tactic of smearing a common enemy, I’m also talking specifically about issues of tradition and morality.

    Not a very logical or credible position to take. Red does this all the time and she is neither credible or logical as a result.

    I think you should actually take a little longer to read some of Redbaiters responses.

    My buddy SPC is a communist and I feel a strong social responsibility to help SPC. SPC is no dummy and with patient nurturing can be restored to full health.

    Good luck, SPC and I have had quite a few ‘therapy’ sessions over the years :)

    Red, on the other hand, is not responding to therapy and I am very concerned about her.

    Red offers an excellent perspective in my opinion, kinda like the wide angle lens on my camera.

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  54. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    That’s true, but only to a certain extent. I have tried very hard over the years to find good aspects about the Greens on the environmental front, but what I find time and again is the environment used as a political Trojan horse for a left wing social agenda. It is because I am concerned about the environment that I have to reject almost all of what the Greens are about!!

    Shunda barunda, so you do understand the concept of supporting some things and not others, on a case by case basis. I am left wondering why you thought it “strange” when I backed some of the things my commie mate SPC has said, while ripping into him on other unrelated issues.

    On that note, I agree with your observations regarding the Greens. Some of the fathers of modern environmentalism do too and are strongly critical of the current global environmental movement for that reason.

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  55. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Red offers an excellent perspective in my opinion, kinda like the wide angle lens on my camera.

    Kinda like a nuke more like it. Red takes out everything, friend and foe alike.

    There is no chance of Red gathering together any sort of collective resistance, to the dreaded liberals, due to her excluding almost everyone as being too progressive or lacking commitment to the struggle. She makes some good observations, granted, but is very divisive and exclusionary. She is a fussy little bitch who frets over the small stuff and is a bit of a drama queen.

    If a man had Reds political leanings he would see the bigger picture and focus on the general direction, never mind the details. He would see allies where Red sees spooks and goblins.

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  56. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Shunda, it is because you see the Green Party as a political Trojan horse for a left wing social agenda, and say it because you are “pro the environment that you have to reject almost all of what the Greens are about”, that you are seen as just another blue green on frogblog.

    They pose as more focused on the environment than social justice, as if that makes them better environmentalists – that said other environmentalists such as the hunting and fishing group and the Green Party are usually at one on the waterway issue, whereas the blue greens are absent.

    And a comment on social change being led by the left or by libertarians, most change is led by polls (the centre) or is bi-partisan. Two cases where it was bi-partisan, smacking law and some of Rogernomics. Thus the lack of poll support was irrelevant.

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  57. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Kinda like a nuke more like it. Red takes out everything, friend and foe alike.

    There is no chance of Red gathering together any sort of collective resistance, to the dreaded liberals, due to her excluding almost everyone as being too progressive or lacking commitment to the struggle. She makes some good observations, granted, but is very divisive and exclusionary. She is a fussy little bitch who frets over the small stuff and is a bit of a drama queen.

    Hey, every ‘wide angle lens’ has certain distortions that need correcting, but the broader perspective is one I enjoy. Redbaiter is trying to perceive the big picture, where we are going, and challenging whether the current direction is sound. Very few people seek such a broad perspective and I think all such individuals have value despite their faults. Sometimes Redbaiter has aspects of an issue in tack sharp focus that certainly makes me stop and think, the numbers of positive upticks on some of his comments reveal a lot of support which seems to go unnoticed here at times.

    I’m not sure I have ever met anyone that has got everything right and perfect perspective on current events, but the people that make me stop and think are valuable in my opinion, and Redbaiter is one of those.

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  58. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    Shunda, it is because you see the Green Party as a political Trojan horse for a left wing social agenda, and say it because you are “pro the environment that you have to reject almost all of what the Greens are about”, that you are seen as just another blue green on frogblog.

    So who is unfairly judging who then?

    My track record with environmental work continues to grow and develop on a day to day basis, my entire working day is based on something to do with land or plants and I have to deal with people from both extremes of the political divide, yet that still isn’t enough to be taken seriously because I signed the Section 59 petition?

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  59. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Shunda, your judgement that the Green Party is “a political Trojan horse for a left wing social agenda”, and that to be “pro the environment that you have to reject almost all of what the Greens are about” is the unfair position.

    People can be for social justice and the environment.

    No one cares that you don’t support the smacking law, they do note your comments that those who support the smacking law and social justice somehow don’t care for the environment.

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  60. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    ” Red takes out everything, friend and foe alike.”

    This is a progressive/ liberal blog. A Conservative would have few friends here and a lot more foes. I’m frequently surprised at the number of up-votes my comments receive.

    I take that as proving the likelihood that one of my pet suspicions about politics in NZ under Progressive hegemony is correct.

    That is that many people are afraid to say what they really think. They lurk and read and vote, but they don’t comment. When one witnesses the utter viciousness following my initial comment on this thread, it is easy to understand why.

    Its part of why I comment here actually. People with a Conservative sympathy need to know they are not alone in thinking as they do.

    I have plenty of supporters at the various conservative blogs but I prefer to spread ideas among the unconverted. Many here have not one iota of knowledge about Conservatism. In fact, it is the best antidote to tyranny of any political ideology. The more people come to understand that, the better the chance of turning back the tyranny of the Progressives we presently suffer under.

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  61. big bruv (14,135 comments) says:

    Comrade Bedwetter.

    “I have plenty of supporters at the various conservative blogs but I prefer to spread ideas among the unconverted”

    You may well call them supporters but everybody else calls them bible bashing religious bigots.

    You’re also a liar Bedwetter, you claim to be “waging a war against the left’s desire to control” yet in the next breath you praise a police state like Singapore. It seems that you are all for state control just as long as you agree with the crushing conservatism that the state enforces.

    Indeed, to call yourself a “conservative” is an abuse of the word. You should call yourself a “Tea Party conservative”, one of those religious, gun loving idiots who ensured another term for Obama.

    Time and time again you claim to have had many victories in your ten year plus war against the left, you boast about this yet when called to name just one of those victories you cannot do so.

    I am sure that in your deluded world you see yourself as the “Tea Party conservative’s” version of Che Guevara when in reality you are nothing but a sad old man who has spent his entire pitiful life being angry.

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  62. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda @ 12:22

    I agree with most of that, but personally I do not need Red telling me how to behave or acting as a self appointed referee on what is left/right thinking. Red seldom makes an observation I could not have made myself, but has a singular ability to overlook common ground and attack minor points of difference.

    I am able to see past my intense dislike of communists and note some common ground with SPC. It is not about compromising my values, it is about supporting what is good and attacking that which is not, regardless of arbitrary left/right boundaries.

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  63. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    When I read them, I just think here I am again, back in the land of clod hopping fuckwits. A truth this thread has so amply demonstrated.

    Gotta admit, I’m semi with Baiter on trade oafs with dumb jokes on the back of their vans. Herp derp, good on you bro, you almost made a funny…

    Fortunately the Mainfreight truck jokes make up for their light commercial cousins, some of those are quite good.

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  64. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Bigot Bruv provides yet another example of how politically confused is NZ’s self professed “right”. The comment above from BB could just as well have been written by any extreme left winger. (Read it as if it was and you will see exactly what I mean)

    It demonstrates why we have to lump morons like BB in with the socialists because they are just too politically deranged (primarily by their dependence on the left wing media for their political ideas, and their insane bigotry against Christianity) to be worth anything to those fighting the tyrannical and totalitarian left.

    In the end, the broad picture is not really left against right, it is Progressivism against Conservatism. Has been for some time and will be for some time.

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  65. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    ” agree with most of that, but personally I do not need Red telling me how to behave ”

    Same old insane delusion.

    Nobody is forcing you to do anything and nobody wants to force you to do anything. You seem to need to cling to the delusion they do with some kind of madness.

    Criticism and disagreement is not forcing you to do something. You are always free to behave exactly as you see fit. Get over it you obsessive loser.

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  66. Shunda barunda (2,985 comments) says:

    You may well call them supporters but everybody else calls them bible bashing religious bigots.

    Everybody else? How do you know this? or is this just another arrogant assertion that only idiots could have a difference of opinion with you?. People are sick and tired of liberal progressive clap trap, there’s more evidence of that than “everybody hates Christians”.

    The more certain individuals here comment, the more I agree with Redbaiter that social progressives have a blinding effect over all that become sympathetic toward their ideology.

    Christian bigotry does exist, but the fact of the matter is that it has become extremely popular among social progressives to attack anyone out side of the narrow perspective idiots like Richard Dawkins offer on the topic.

    In short, you are behaving exactly like the worst forms of Christian leadership that you claim to loath.

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  67. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “or is this just another arrogant assertion”

    It is all he ever has.

    About twenty in that one comment I reckon.

    A total waste of time.

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  68. lofty (1,317 comments) says:

    @BB, do not presume to speak for me, I am no bible bashing religious bigot, and in fact I am so removed from it you would not believe, but for sure, Red is
    A. sometimes right
    B. Entitled to speak his mind and views.

    He is forthright, insulting at times, and often I do not agree with his views, but then again sometimes I do.

    One thing we all know about Red is that he takes no prisoners, and once past the rhetoric there is the odd gem in there.

    You also are forthright, insulting at times, and also entitled to your own view of the world, but again do not presume to lump me in with my occassional support and agreement with Red’s comments, which is what you have done with your blanket comment.

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  69. sonjahenee (2 comments) says:

    I did have court suppression and I have the court documents to prove it! I was also right in my complaints about incorrect reporting and breaching court suppression as I was not convicted of what was put in the paper, nor was I charged with what was put in the paper. And for your information the convictions I did have were squashed in the High Court! If you would like a copy of the documents and my conviction lists that prove you have posted incorrect information you are more than welcome to contact my lawyer and copies will be forthcoming. And this applies to anyone else who wants a copy!

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