Not a human right issue

March 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Jo Moir at Stuff reports:

A 10-year-old Porirua boy has torn down his posters and binned his All Blacks duvet cover after his local club made him feel “sad and fat”.

Joshua Moe has been told he has to play in the under-13s this season because – at 71 kilograms – he is too heavy to play in his own age group. But Joshua fears he will get hurt playing with boys who are older than him.

It’s great Joshua wants to play rugby, and I can understand his fear of getting hurt playing with older kids. However there is also a risk of kids his own age getting hurt when there is such a size and weight disparity.

The average weight for a 10 year old boy appears to be 32 kgs, so at 71 kgs Joshua is double their weight. The chance of them being damaged is significantly higher I would say than Joshua being damaged by 13 year olds who will still be smaller than him.

Last year Joshua received special permission to play in the Northern United under-11s team – a grade lower than the rules allowed for someone of his weight.

But at last week’s weigh-in for the new season, the club told him he had to move up to the under-13s. His mother, Vanessa Moe, queried the ruling, but was told he could either play in the under-13s or not at all.

She has now complained to the club, as well as to the New Zealand Rugby Union and the Human Rights Commission.

Oh Good God, this has nothing to do with the Human Rights Commission. Having weight restrictions for sports is hardly new. Boxing has it also.

“This has gone beyond rugby itself, and is now about a club making my son feel like crap and not wanting to play at all,” she said.

Joshua is looking to turn his back on rugby and plans to do swimming this year and have a go at rugby league next year.

“I want the rugby people to apologise and make the rules so it’s about age, not my size,” he said. “My friends all treat me the same, but the rugby club made me feel sad and fat.”

It’s awful Joshua feels like crap, and it is possible that the club officials handled it very badly. And some flexibility could well be desirable.

However at the end of the day a rule based on size/weight is not discriminatory – it is sensible and quite standard in many contact sports.

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41 Responses to “Not a human right issue”

  1. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    I demand Rugby Equality!

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  2. Kleva Kiwi (267 comments) says:

    How the hell is this news… stupid lefty newspaper

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  3. sifty (23 comments) says:

    Perhaps his mother could have spent more of her energy making sure he didn’t get fat in the first place, with a proper diet,rather than bleating on about it after the fact.

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  4. flipper (3,269 comments) says:

    And Olympic wrestliung, weightlifting….

    But there is another, unspoken issue: Children of Polynesian descent can be significantly heavier and stronger at any given age than those from other ethnicities. They also have higher specific gravity, along with denser muscle mass, resulting in generally inferior swimming performance (negroids are the highest).

    This weight/size/strength problerm has manifested in Auckland secondary school rugby, resulting in scholarships (to Maori, polynesian and micronesian youngsters), and other inducements, so that schools remained sports “competitive”……

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  5. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    Probably depends on whether he’s fat and slow (unlikely to be a risk to others) or whether he’s Jonah Lomu in the making and really would be a threat to others if he plays with them. I can understand the rules need to be objective, but if he’s really just another kid who’s just pretty fat, then probably I’d let him play where-ever.

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  6. hubbers (204 comments) says:

    The rules are clear, you have to have one overweight boy then an overweight girl then an overweight boy then an overweight girl then …

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  7. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    The human rights/equality genie has been forced out of the bottle.

    We sow as we reap.

    Good luck to him and his Mum.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    There’s no longer any common sense only equality so why not?

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  8. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    We’ve had kids that weight play in our under 12′s league teams with no problems, (some in the under 10′s would have been close) weight is no indicator of skill.

    In fact, the other kids would often exploit that aspect, smaller kids are quicker off the mark and could easily tackle the larger kids because they are top heavy!

    I thought rugby union were a pack of pussies and didn’t let the younger kids tackle anyway?

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  9. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    This shows that fattness is as much a [self imposed] sickness of the mind as it is the body. Most fatties have “issues”.

    Fortunately it can be cured.

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  10. duggledog (1,107 comments) says:

    Oh yes that’s another quango we can dis-establish please.

    My nephew who is of average build and pretty handy on the field used to get pummeled by some of these big Island boys. How he didn’t end up with a broken neck I don’t know, after seeing him take some big hits.

    I don’t know what the answer is because we need them, case in point being Jonah Lomu!

    But what about the human rights of other boys to not end up in a wheelchair?

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  11. Grendel (873 comments) says:

    i suspect the kid has been quite used to being the ‘big man’ in his own age group, where his size makes up for any lack of skill. which may be why he is calling out that they should follow the ‘rules’ and leave him with his age group.

    with the bigger kids, his size becomes less of an advantage and he has to rely on skills, which he may not have.

    this should be good news for him, as he can now develop the right skills, as he wont have a double size advantage his whole life.

    We see this at karate a lot. you teach techniques that rely on movement and skill, not brute strength, and some people end up looking very good becuase their arm bar or takedown works most of the time, becuase they are using brute force.

    put them up against someone their own size or bigger and it does not work, so they have to focus on the actual skill.

    its one reason often smaller people end up better at some techniques as they have never been able to rely on brute force.

    what a pity though that this was not seen as an opportunity for growth, but an opportunity to complain.

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  12. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    So he’s (and more pointedly his mother) worried about him being hurt in the higher age grade, but dismisses fears of other kids being hurt in the lower age grade.

    Can’t have it both ways sister

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  13. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    PaulL – in the photo it looks more like a bit of puppy fat over a pretty big frame, rather than being just a giant tub of lard.

    Some of the most ridiculously athletic people I know were fatties all the way through school, then one day in their late teens or twenties they had some kind of Eureka! moment, went nuts and turned themselves into triathlon-running, marathon-running, ultra fit freaks.

    Big Josh looks like a pretty cool guy in that photo of him and his little mates. Hang in there, dude! Think about where you want to be playing when you’re 23. I suspect this might not be the last we hear of Josh Moe…

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  14. dime (8,751 comments) says:

    so mums first instinct is to start blaming other people and run to the media?

    i feel for the kid. his mum has told him its someone else fault. hes 10. he will be gutted. at least he wants to do something active?!

    or hes not scared about playing with the big kids, he will miss being the team hero as he tramples over a bunch of normal sized kids.

    hopefully his life didnt “peak” last year. he will turn out an even sadder version of al bundy.

    as for weight restrictions – id like to see the UFC heavyweight champ take on a feather weight. just for shits n giggles :D

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  15. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Going by the photo he’s just ahead of the curve in terms of growth and not fat ny any stretch. I would’ve thought rugby would be all over itself to hone him to see what he could bring to the game in a few years. HRC is OTT but whatever, protective mother being protective, that’s usually a good sign. He should go swimming and play soccer to increase his ball skills and then see where he ends up.

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  16. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I doubt young Josh is behind this bullshit. It will be his parents, or some commie school teacher.

    I hope he grows up to be a top All Black and a conservative right wing Macho womaniser :)

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  17. Manolo (12,622 comments) says:

    The imbecilic DomPost wasted space on this trying to pass it as news.

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  18. nasska (9,501 comments) says:

    ….” a bit of puppy fat over a pretty big frame”…..

    What a load of crap….the kid’s fat. If his half arsed whinging mother stopped shoving KFC down his fat neck he might avoid a life of dialysis.

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  19. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    I thought that was what they had open & restricted for?

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  20. seanmaitland (402 comments) says:

    When I was a college in the mid 90s, getting to play soccer, rugby or cricket with kids older than you was so awesome, and improved your ability massively compared to other kids your own age.

    Nowadays it seems, that its not seen as a privilege, it is seen as an opportunity to go the press and complain about how life’s not fair.

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  21. JC (838 comments) says:

    For the club its a health and safety issue, coupled with the fact that ordinary sized kids are put off rugby if they constantly have to play against supersized players.

    JC

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  22. dime (8,751 comments) says:

    just saw the pic. hes a fatty but not morbidly obese.. yet.

    ed – maybe there is no open grade anymore?

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  23. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    If his half arsed whinging mother stopped shoving KFC down his fat neck he might avoid a life of dialysis.

    Hey!
    He’s ten and he plays rugby, I don’t think he’s ready to go on the scrap heap just yet.

    His mum just needs to get a grip. But at least she’s given him a proper name, that’s pretty good for Porirua.

    The last thing the boy needs is miserable old bastards like you making crap comments about him all over the internet..

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  24. gump (1,228 comments) says:

    Big framed kids are slow, and get slower as the game progresses.

    I suspect that any advantage from the extra body weight will be cancelled out by the extra effort required to run around the field.

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  25. Lucia Maria (1,988 comments) says:

    My 12 yo son has an almost 13 yo friend who is currently pretty close to 6 foot tall, who had the same problem with playing rugby. He was too big for his grade, so he was put up.

    The kid and his mother just needs to live with it.

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  26. CHFR (195 comments) says:

    A friend of my daughter who is 10 has had the same issue. He is a big framed boy and looks like a 12 year old, yes he is also a bit fat. He has decided that he has 3 weeks to get down to the max weight for his age so is eating a bit less and running to try to get the weight off.

    This mother needs to ask herself why her 10 year old weighs as much as my husband and encourage him to maybe remove some of the puppy fat.

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  27. nasska (9,501 comments) says:

    Young canines have puppy fat….in young humans obesity is indicative of a crap diet or a lack of exercise.

    It is a sign of parental neglect & should be treated as such.

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  28. flipper (3,269 comments) says:

    I think RRM’s comments are admirable.

    As for most of the rest – just uniformed, dumb, red neck crap….

    The comments indicate the simplistic, knee-jerk garbage that low grade politicans and advocacy freaks use to gain headlines.

    If such folk really knew something factual about the (wider) subject they would have contributed to a sensible and positive discourse.

    To them I say:

    It is better to remain silent and appear to be fool, than to open your mouth (well, your ‘puter) and prove that you are.

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  29. earlyfknsettler (10 comments) says:

    The feral types first instincts these days is to run off to their sympathizing politically correct media.

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  30. Nick K (916 comments) says:

    Of course it’s a human right issue, DPF.

    This poor kid has the right to demand his parents don’t feed him slop and make him twice the weight he currently is. He has the right to demand his parents exercise him so he doesn’t get fat. And the parents have a duty, as parents, to do this. The law then steps in and prosecutes his parents if they fail.

    Bloody simple. I feel sorry for the boy having parents who obviously don’t care two shits about his weight.

    But then again, he is probably “big boned”.

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  31. Yogibear (227 comments) says:

    Dunno why this harpy is so hung up on organised sport anyway. Little Joshua is probably playing rugby every lunchtime with his friends just fine and having a great time.

    My only real suprise here is Norths taking a responsible and balanced attitude towards safe enjoyment for the majority of kids

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  32. Yogibear (227 comments) says:

    Also, as a former Poriruvian – might I suggest the Titahi Bay Junior Athletics Club for Joshua (I think they run winter programmes). Its well run, offers all the social aspects a 10 year old needs (i.e. they have fun), gives him options suited to his body type now, and he’ll be fitter and stronger when he returns to rugby/league

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  33. b1gdaddynz (264 comments) says:

    Dime said “as for weight restrictions – id like to see the UFC heavyweight champ take on a feather weight. just for shits n giggles” So Cain Velasquez (6’1″ 110kg) versus Demetrious Johnson (5’3″ 57kg)…It would be bloody funny until Cain manages to grab a hold of him and snaps him! It would be interesting though because Mighty Mouse is so fast it could all be over before Cain has time to blink ha ha

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  34. Tautaioleua (266 comments) says:

    Someone said it earlier. There are normally two teams for the same age group when it comes to rugby & rugby league, open and restricted. Open means anybody within the age bracket of any height or weight. Restricted means the opposite.

    The young boy should qualify for open. Heck, in my childhood club rugby days there was always a fat boy or two who would charge at us like a monster truck. My fellow conservatives, this news item is an example of the ‘cotton ball’ agenda that plagues our communities. The fat boy is now a hazard, our children are unsafe with him on the field.

    LOL the Australians and South Africans would have this fat boy for tea. They’re probably laughing at how much of a ‘sissy society’ we have become in recent years.

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  35. b1gdaddynz (264 comments) says:

    I remember when I was about 10 or 11 there was an developmentally delayed kid who played in my weight grade even though he was older and about twice the size of the rest of us; we were all scared of him but I got dared to charge right at him and being foolish I did! The result was I bowled him over and left him crying; I felt like a total tool. See he was big but had the mental age of about a 6 year old and had no idea what to do with his size! It’s different to this situation but you can’t always judge by size alone and I think at that age it is unlikely he would do anyone serious harm as long as you teach kids how to tackle safely! Let him play with his mates!

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  36. Longknives (4,044 comments) says:

    Bigdaddy- I remember when I was playing Under 12s there was a huge kid with a fucking moustache! He ran through us like a knife through butter…
    I’m not too sure what my point is but young Joshua does need to lay off the Carls’ Jnr combos…

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  37. mara (639 comments) says:

    Fatism/racism, WTF. Go to Southmall, a shopping mall in south Auckland and see the physical quality of the daily inhabitants. The obesity, flabbiness and fertility evident there is extraordinary. The young mothers there feed their babies fish and chips and cola. The growth of this underclass of stupid fatties is a worry .. they don’t gain productive employment and the Auckland hospital is overflowing with them. Starship is full of kids with ignorant parents and the medical wards are full of obese, diabetic adults. Instead of the current woe about fat kids’ human rights, why not just tell them the truth. Children only get obese because their parents let them.

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  38. Longknives (4,044 comments) says:

    I will always remember (In my WINZ days- many moons ago) giving a substantial food grant to a DPB parasite then later seeing her walking out of Pak N Save with a trolley full of dozens of big bags of chips (The Bluebird variety) and huge bottles of Coca Cola and Fanta…not a fruit or vegetable in sight!
    Though to be fair I think for balance she had a few packets of Tim Tams in there as well…

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  39. Manolo (12,622 comments) says:

    Mara, the delicate ruling class and do-gooders are unable to tell the evident truth. It hurts their sensibilities.

    It’s much easier to put the blame on corporations, colonialism, poverty, society, etc, than to admit the ignorant masses are thick as shit.

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  40. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    How about the rights of the tiny kids not to be stomped by this monster?

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  41. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Get him off the carbs…that what causes fat gain when insulin reacts to make badyfat with it. But if his Mother was also overweight before and during pregnency then he was far more prone to be that way him self. Its hormones and when they are out of whack thats when weight gain happens.

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