NZ best for working women

March 9th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

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IF YOU are a working woman, you would do well to move to New Zealand—or if that is a little out of the way, you could try one of the Nordic countries. To mark International ’s Day, The Economist has compiled its own “glass-ceiling index” to show where have the best chance of equal treatment at work. Based on data mainly from the OECD, it compares five indicators across 26 countries: the number of men and respectively with tertiary education; female labour-force participation; the male-female wage gap; the proportion of in senior jobs; and net child-care costs relative to the average wage. The first four are given equal weighting, the fifth a lower one, since not all working have children. New Zealand scores high on all the indicators.

The index weighting is 23% each for the first four factors and 8% for child-care costs.

NZ has a far higher proportion of women than men in tertiary education which will be part of the reason NZ is ranked the best place in the world to be a working woman.

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35 Responses to “NZ best for working women”

  1. Redbaiter (8,318 comments) says:

    Just putting aside the contempt I have for such concepts as “equality” for a minute-

    Have you done any kind of study of replacement birth rates in the same countries?

    I am just curious to know whether with women being so fixated on working, and with motherhood being viewed as such an unworthy career choice, whether birth rates were being negatively impacted.

    I have heard whispers of a potential species die out of white European culture, but who really cares about that right?

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  2. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Since Helen NZ has been good for women that work in brothels! :)

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  3. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    “NZ has a far higher proportion of women than men in tertiary education”

    that almost sounds like a crisis. surely we need a minister for men. programs targeted at getting more blokes into uni etc

    this inequality must end

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  4. iMP (2,354 comments) says:

    Ummm, maybe all the feminists are too busy working? NZ Feminism officially Dead!

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/the-death-of-nz-feminism-official/

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  5. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    All women are working women. This should read paid women.

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  6. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    An yet Jan Logie is complaining bitterly on frogblog about the state of women in work in NZ.

    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2013/03/08/international-womens-day-2/#comment-955656

    I am genuinely amazed at the power a negative, victim mentality world view has to keep people in a state of delusion.

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  7. Redbaiter (8,318 comments) says:

    “I am genuinely amazed at the power a negative, victim mentality world view has to keep people in a state of delusion.”

    They get indoctrinated with this shit at university and that’s it, they’re gone.

    Ever read that revolting blog the Hand Mirror? FFS, if there was ever a bunch of fucked in the head Marxist losers its that outfit.

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  8. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Best place my arse.This is more internationalist propaganda.

    We have soooooo many women in tertiary,that means on the taxpayer. And tertiary education is an ivory tower,hardly ‘work” in the real sense.

    And the women who are really “working”,they’ll be earning squat in our low wage economy and so will be claiming all sorts of allownces ,again off the taxpayer.

    This should be the International Day of the Ripped Off Taxpayer.

    Oh and look what the EU is doing under the guise of Wimmins’ day.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9917189/MEPs-to-vote-on-EU-ban-on-all-forms-of-pornography.html#disqus_thread

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  9. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    i love how its “women” who are exploited in porn.

    at least they make money. the dudes make sweet f a

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  10. Reid (16,224 comments) says:

    It’s interesting how many women who are managers wear their authority in the same way as Cartman from Southpark does – respect my authoriti! Not all women managers do this but many do. Many men managers also act like complete pricks as well, don’t get me wrong. But on a proportionate basis in today’s workplaces there are far more women Cartmans than there are men. But IMO the reason why you get a woman Cartman and a man Cartman is quite different. With women Cartmans, IMO, it’s because women are not naturally born to authority. They’re always looking for a man to tell them what to do. Again this is part of their DNA. Can’t be changed. Feminism tries to change it by telling lies to women by telling them they have to act like men in order to be successful, and this is why we have young girls acting like young boys, sleeping around with one-night stands now being de riguer, getting completely trashed, nothing ladylike at all, in today’s young women, thanks to feminism.

    Women are naturally good at organising and directing activities and this is because they need those skills to be a successful mother. It’s built into their DNA. This is why project management is full of women. That occupation really suits them. (Quite why project managers are normally the highest paid people on a project is beyond me, they do nothing but organise after all, try getting a project done without the technical experts who bizarrely are often paid much less. But that’s another story…).

    Of course individuals are all different and all of us lie somewhere on a spectrum in terms of everything from intelligence to leadership qualities to dedication to work to anything else and there are many exceptional women managers, don’t get me wrong.

    But even though feminism lies by denying it exists, you cannot change biology. And biological fact is, women are actualised not by career, as men are, but by family. You can see the truth of this in the simple observation that the happiest women are not those who sacrifice themselves in their child-bearing years for their career but those who take time off to have a family and then return to their careers once their children have sufficiently matured. This is why you often see grey-haired mothers flourishing in the workforce, because they have had their cake and are eating it too. This is also why you often see women who have had children but have returned early to the workforce while their kids are still very young, who are doing what feminism has told them to do and acting like men, and you see in many, not all, but many of them, a most embittered, twisted and angry group of people. Which many, not all, but many of them, take out on the people around them, at work.

    And you see the same thing in those women who have decided not to have children at all. Their “careers” do nothing for them, at the end of the day. Their “success” in career but not in family, brings in not all, but in most of them, nothing but a suppressed underlying angst at the world.

    That’s the world we westerners live in today, thanks to feminism, the most poisonous ideology ever in the history of humanity. It has nothing whatsoever to do with “human wights” and everything to do with destroying the integrity and strength of an individual’s main support mechanism in society: the family unit. And it’s working really well, isn’t it. Thanks to all the useful idiots who do think it really is about “human wights.”

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  11. Elaycee (4,353 comments) says:

    dime:

    at least they make money. the dudes make sweet f a

    Best you negotiate a ‘better’ contract next time… :D

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  12. Than (450 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter – Using the 2011 OECD data from Wikipedia, the top 3 ranked countries for gender equality have birthrates of New Zealand 14.3, Norway 12.2, Sweden 11.8. The bottom 3 ranked countries for gender quality have birthrates Japan 8.3, South Korea 9.4, Switzerland 10.2

    So no, there does not appear to be a link between gender equality and birthrates. Countries with very poor gender equality can still have low birthrates, and countries with good equality can have moderate birthrates.

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  13. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    “Best you negotiate a better contract next time… :D

    I’ve heard they pay by the inch! :)

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  14. Elaycee (4,353 comments) says:

    Is it a recurring revenue model, Johnboy? :P

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  15. Redbaiter (8,318 comments) says:

    Thanks Than, but if you read closer, I was talking about white European birth rates. Any data on that specific cultural group?

    There’s word out there that birth rates are only high in such countries because Muslim women are reproducing at a much faster rate then European women of Judeo Christian heritage, such women being those who are the most seduced by the Progressive ideal that females should be the “equal” of males and that motherhood is a profession that ain’t worth spit.

    Muslim women (or even Maori women in NZ) generally don’t have the same fashionable distaste for reproducing and raising children.

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  16. duggledog (1,502 comments) says:

    Not good enough for the likes of Moroney. Principles before pay checks

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  17. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    Reid, so I take it you support financial assistance to stay at home mother families so they can afford to raise families – many women would prefer this but cannot afford home ownership if they do. Or just lower income male led families as not all men need help to afford this?

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  18. Harriet (4,777 comments) says:

    Why don’t we just make ‘motherhood’ a degree qualification and then everyone would be happy!

    Men would get higher wages, women would have a sense of worth, and the government would be cash positive due to the unnessecery progressive costs of welfare, policing etc :cool:

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  19. Rod FuLLength (1 comment) says:

    To argue that babies and preschoolers are better off spending the work week away from their parents is not worth debating and is insulting to parents. A daycare is mostly like an orphanage.

    Toddlers don’t learn anything of value from each other.

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  20. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Women are naturally good at organising and directing activities and this is because they need those skills to [decorate the cave.]

    @Reid,

    Just helped you out with a minor correction. That deep sleep over the millennia seems to have slowed you a little…

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  21. slijmbal (1,233 comments) says:

    Worked in and around corporates and ‘professional’ companies for 30 odd years. In the areas I work few gave a s***t about gender for 30 years. That doesn’t say there might not have been implicit bias and there have not been bigoted managers.

    There is an obvious bias in that, in general, men and women tend to gravitate to specific and different types of jobs. There is also the brake on a career that having a child results in. However, I have rarely seen an obvious anti-women approach outside of specific bigots.

    If you wander in to specific departments in corporates nowadays you see a major female bias and males in the subordinate role. I’ve seen plenty of women bosses who are as didactic and impersonal as the equivalent bad male manager. Not getting at women more saying that a signal of equality is getting the same poor quality of staff in a specific area regardless of gender. When women initially enter a field they normally have to outperform their male competitors.

    The more recent trend in qualifications to support diligence, organisation and consistent application to a greater extent compared to ability i.e. rate as one goes vs exams does show females up in a better light. It is also arguable that this is actually what they should represent. It cannot be denied as one of several drivers for improved female performance in qualifications.

    I struggle with the whole idea that women are somehow treated poorly because of gender in the professional workplace. It lives alongside the stupid husband in ludicrous stereotypes.

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  22. Pongo (371 comments) says:

    I guess that’s why we have the lowest productivity in the OECD and we are all poor. Too many bloody women running the gaff with overstuffed HR departments.

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  23. Reid (16,224 comments) says:

    Reid, so I take it you support financial assistance to stay at home mother families so they can afford to raise families

    SPC you cannot solve this problem by using an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff because there are not enough ambulances to solve the problem. In that, in this case, there are not enough spare tax dollars to achieve what you suggest. It can’t be done.

    To combat social engineering you need to use social engineering. But this time, you use it for the good and not, as has been happening, for the worse. Social engineering achieves what it does by using the following path. Beliefs beget values. Values beget thoughts. Thoughts beget emotional responses. Emotional responses beget attitudes. Attidutes beget behaviours and actions.

    The root of social engineering is belief modification. As I say, this can be done for the good of society or can equally be done for the worse. There are many social engineering forces in our society today, many of which are complementary. That’s not complimentary, that’s complementary. Feminism is one of those forces, consumerism is another. The force your post is about is not feminism, it’s consumerism.

    Western societies have been designed, yes designed – as in, it didn’t come about by accident – to require two incomes simply to stay afloat. Did you know for example that the person who founded the PR industry, i.e. Madison Avenue, was Sigmund Freud’s nephew? Think that’s a coincidence? Advertising is one of the main drivers of consumerism, just as universities are one of the main drivers of feminism. And both branches use the same [subconscious] techniques to achieve their objectives. That’s why they are complementary forces. After all, if they went overt and started to use conscious techniques, it wouldn’t work, would it. After all, as soon as the famous “some of the people” who are being fooled know they are being fooled, they won’t be fooled anymore. Will they. That’s why they keep it subconscious and that’s why they hide the poison in the “human wights” meme. So people will be fooled.

    Consumerism since the 1920’s has been sold to us as “progress” but do we really need all the shit we are told we must have, in order to live?

    What is more important after all. A new fridge, or a mother’s love?

    According to consumerism, it’s a fridge. According to feminism, it’s a woman’s career, because that’s her “right.”

    It’s very clever isn’t it. Very hard to argue that one doesn’t need a new fridge when the current one is broken. Very hard to argue that a woman, being a walking talking human being “just like a man is,” doesn’t deserve everything a man does. Well of course both are true. We all need a working fridge. We all need to be actualised as people and loved and respected and regarded because we are all human.

    The poison comes in by the deception. By the lie that tells us we not only need a working fridge, we need the latest model that can talk to the interweb and automatically order another bottle of milk from the local dairy. That women are just the same as men because we are all human and therefore, ipso facto, women must act like men, in order to be fully actualised humans that are being.

    Notice how the distinctions are ignored. Notice how everything is conflated into one amorphous soup. If you don’t have a new fridge that talks to the interweb then somehow, you’re not quite as good as your neighbour whose just got one themselves [never mind the debt they've incurred on the credit card to get it]. If you don’t have the same success in your career as any other human of the opposite sex does, then either you’re being oppressed or you’re just not acting sufficiently like the opposite sex who are [apparently] getting the success.

    The answer never lies in the natural observation that if we can get by with a fridge from the 50’s that still works because they really knew how to make fridges back then, it’s fine. Or that if I’m a woman, then what’s really important to me are my children and my husband because I’m the basis, the rock, the foundation of my family and through me, through my love and my sacrifice for those incredibly precious and priceless humans that are being, all good things will come.

    No, none of that exists, in our brave new world that’s been shaped for us slowly slowly slice the elephant a sliver at a time so no-one notices and decades pass and no-one wakes up and it’s only when one looks back with wonder at how it used to be. And even then, no-one notices because all of this change has been done on the subconscious level, as in, no-one has noticed it as it happened and therefore, even to one looking back at how it used to be, it’s still not obvious because there’s no history about all this stuff, nothing in the archives, no docos on telly, about how it all works. Nothing but: here we are. Just a bunch of random people living life, it’s all just a bunch of stuff that happened, with no hand, no architect, no designers.

    Sorry for the extremely long-winded lead up to answering your question SPC but combating what we have today is complicated, as you can see. The answer therefore is not govt subsidies but exposure. As soon as you have a credible force, like the govt throwing resources at a meme, it will be exposed and once its exposed it won’t work anymore.

    Sadly, most people seem to think and act like a bunch of sheep. Sadly, most of them just go with the flow, trying to survive and occasionally racking up the odd win on the board but most of the time, head down, bum up, work work work, watch some entertainment and some sport, never think outside one’s existence and count one’s blessings that one’s whole world hasn’t yet crashed down amongst one’s ears. That’s how most people live. But none of the sheep are stupid. They are all thinking, walking, talking human beings. That’s why exposure will work and is the only thing that will work. Because it’s not rocket science and the sheep will get it very quickly once they’re informed. No-one likes being sold a pup. And bear in mind, when you’re looking at the sheep, that being a sheep doesn’t equate to one’s IQ. I see sheep with IQ’s of 160+. It’s all to do with the origins of one’s emotions and look at the equation I gave you above and what begets those. That’s what you have to attack.

    There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root – Henry Thoreau.

    Strike the root.

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  24. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    Reid, with contraception both partners can work for years before buying property. Thus women develop careers to maximise incomes in those years and to have a career to return to post children (given our now longer life spans).

    Of course two partner incomes drives the rising demand for scarce land/property (exacerbated by financing for profit to soak up two partner earnings) and thus there is a sizeable mortgage to pay when there are young children – thus something like WFF is required to cover this period. I would go further and allow the dole to women with working partners – and on the same conditions as the DPB (no work test till children are 5).

    Feminism is a natural corollary of women having the vote/political equality. Commercialism is inherent in that capitalism results in the development of products for consumption.

    The issue is how the current order places economic pressures on women to compete as earning units to do well in our society, whether they seek this or not. And what can be done to mitigate this.

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  25. wat dabney (3,758 comments) says:

    To combat social engineering you need to use social engineering. But this time, you use it for the good…

    Er, that’s exactly the pretext that is already used. Are you Sue Bradford? You certainly could be.

    And then it goes downhill from there I’m afraid.

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  26. Reid (16,224 comments) says:

    As usual wat the rather elementary point flies straight over your head but no surprises there.

    If you read it again, you’ll see that I’m talking about taking it overt, not covert, as it currently is. And as soon as you take it overt, you destroy the meme, because their techniques are no longer effective, being that it’s now in the conscious domain and not in the subconscious.

    Personally I don’t see anything underhand in that, at all. As in, it’s the complete opposite of the tactics Bradford and co employ.

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  27. wat dabney (3,758 comments) says:

    I must admit I got a bit confused about the bit where our fridges are plotting against us.

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  28. Reid (16,224 comments) says:

    Feminism is a natural corollary of women having the vote/political equality.

    It’d be good if it was just that SPC but sadly it came from the Frankfurt School which migrated to Frankfurt from the USSR and then to Berkeley in California from whence Western feminism sprang. The fact this migration fits perfectly into the Comintern strategy is of course a mere coincidence of no moment to any thinking person.

    I must admit I got a bit confused about the bit where our fridges are plotting against us.

    Yes wat that was just to show you how very insidious it in fact is.

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  29. wat dabney (3,758 comments) says:

    Are our fridges conspiring with the Illuminati?

    Tell us, Reid. We can take it. And we’ve a right to know.

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  30. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    “it’s because women are not naturally born to authority. They’re always looking for a man to tell them what to do. Again this is part of their DNA. Can’t be changed.”

    great quote. sent it to a couple of chick friends. if you dont hear from Dime again thats probably why…

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  31. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    God SPC. What a load of toss. You’re underestimating women. WFF is the biggest boot on the head for women that women have ever experienced.

    @Dime. You get two men over thirty in a room and they physically can’t hear the woman.

    he only way to circumvent this is for the woman to get the fuck on with the job. There is no such thing as committee decisions in a mixed sex board.

    This was H Clark’s strength, All the guys were waiting for the normal processes to be followed and Clark got the shit sorted first.

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  32. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @SPC. Despite what the intellectual fuckwits that run our schools tell you. you don’t need a career to be financially successful. I had kids and property by the time I was thirty.

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  33. big bruv (13,702 comments) says:

    Christ!

    Everybody knows that chicks in the workplace (save for the front line eye candy roles) are a pain in the arse. Put more then two of them in an office and you have a bitch fight. They are always fighting a war with somebody in the company and they care immune to logic.

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  34. Reid (16,224 comments) says:

    Are our fridges conspiring with the Illuminati? Tell us, Reid. We can take it. And we’ve a right to know.

    wat it’s interesting how you trivialise a serious topic. Out of the many things you could have picked up on and had a good argument about, you choose the fridge which was a mere simple analogy.

    Is it because you’re an idiot and my post above is too complicated for you, or is there some other reason?

    (I’m not really interested in your answer, BTW, you long ago proved to me which of those two options is the case as far as I’m concerned, but I thought I’d give you a chance to dig a slightly deeper hole, for the amusement of others who are reading the thread.)

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  35. SPC (5,573 comments) says:

    Monique, unfortunately given supply and demand this is not something would work for all women. If all women tried to afford study in that way then many would not even realise debt free tertiary education.

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