Scandal – their mothers were friends

March 28th, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Wow, are things getting silly.

Andrea Vance at Stuff reports:

Prime Minister has outlined the nature of his friendship with chief foreign spy under questioning about the illegal surveillance on Kim Dotcom.

Their acquaintance dates back to their childhood, when their mothers were “best friends”, Key said. He also went to school with Fletcher’s brother.

Their mothers were friends. Shock horror.

I hope no one is suggesting that Ian Fletcher should not have got his job, because his mum was friends with the PM’s mum before she died.

Oh wait, they are.

 

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47 Responses to “Scandal – their mothers were friends”

  1. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    This is an outrage and Key should resign immediately after Shearer.

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  2. sparky (235 comments) says:

    How dam ridiculous can the Left get. John Key went to school with the Fletcher boys, and his Mum was a friend of the Fletcher’s Mum. John has caught up over the years with Mr Fletcher. What the hell is wrong with this?

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  3. flipper (3,479 comments) says:

    Heh…

    At long last we have Labour’s John Key destroying N bomb, or is it the delay fused HC / MW bomb ?

    No, more likely it is the silly little Robertson/Shearer bomb.

    To think that such idiots draw taxpayer funded salaies …….

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  4. Tristan (63 comments) says:

    Yeah that’s right Key tries to deflect this by using his mum and we are expected to buy that with help from you of course dpf.

    It’s a shame he let his quip go to far by revealing they were best friends… I have kids and my best friend has a daughter the same age as mine and you will never guess who her best friend is…

    His little quip has revealed he spent a lot more time with this person as a child than I wold have otherwise believed

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  5. Mags (38 comments) says:

    Yeah, and no big deal that Annette King’s husband landed a plumb IT contract at Hawkes Bay DHB while she was Minister of Health, or that Chris Carter’s partner was a teacher while Chris was the Associate Education Minister, and…. NZ’s only a small place chances are high that there will be some link to someone if you look hard enough.

    Tristan – you have the key point in your last sentence – ‘as a child’, also the article states that Key was actually friends with Fletcher’s brother.

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  6. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Let them keep doing this. It is basically a cry to all New Zealanders to keep them on the Opposition benches

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  7. Nigel Kearney (846 comments) says:

    I look forward to Labour holding themselves to the same standard when they eventually get in, i.e. no government appointments for any acquaintance of a Labour MP. Certainly anyone who hopes for a government role in the future should stay well clear of Grant Robertson to avoid a conflict of interest. Don’t even talk to him. It’s a career limiting move according to the new standard.

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  8. Pete George (22,563 comments) says:

    Certainly anyone who hopes for a government role in the future should stay well clear of Grant Robertson to avoid a conflict of interest.

    That rules me out, I replied to a tweet of his once.

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  9. Yoza (1,474 comments) says:

    This is the sort of thing that happens in those seedy dictatorships where the leadership of the state is intimately connected with the upper echelons of the security apparatus. Fletcher should go, along with the GCSB – and the brown-shirted section of the public service should stop acting as an extension of the US/UK imperial ambition. The experiment with white supremacy should have ended, that New Zealand continues to actively support it with the appointments of the likes of Ian Fletcher is an appalling indictment on the mentality of this countries ruling clique.

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  10. duggledog (1,302 comments) says:

    Nigel Kearney this will be difficult as the civil service / bureaucracy is riddled with Labour people it’s all they know.

    Mags, not a great example, Chris Carter’s partner was a successful principal in his own right, and actually a jolly nice man to boot IMHO

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  11. Lance (2,406 comments) says:

    That last post from Yoza was so twisted it must be a piss take?

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  12. itstricky (1,499 comments) says:

    It is a stretch. None the less the implication is not that Fletcher should not have got the job. It is that Key is besties with Fletch despite his previous statements. eu look it’s a flying pink rabbit! – now where was I? That’s right I was telling you how National can never do wrong…

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  13. scrubone (3,039 comments) says:

    The point is Key declared it to the SSC when he was suggested as a possible hire.

    So yes, nothing to see here.

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  14. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Exactly Comrade Yoza.

    Viva la revolution!

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  15. Rick Rowling (791 comments) says:

    Someone should give the opposition some meaningful volunteer work to do.

    Left with nothing to do and just their research units and imaginations to play with, they just embarrass themselves.

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  16. OneTrack (2,530 comments) says:

    Yoza – you think so? Well, based on history, the left, who you are representing here, definitely knows all about seedy dictatorships where the leadership of the state is intimately connected with the upper echelons of the security apparatus. So, I guess, you would know.

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  17. Redbaiter (7,482 comments) says:

    “an appalling indictment on the mentality of this countries (sic) ruling clique”

    Go easy on Yoza folks, he only wants us to be free like Cuba.

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  18. kiwi in america (2,425 comments) says:

    I had to laugh at Key’s quip at Robertson in the House yesterday – about how Ian Fletcher’s brother was way brighter than him. I went to school with John Key although I’ll be honest enough to say I can’t remember him as we were different years and divisions in the school. Ian was very bright spark so no surprise he’s landed a senior government department head role. A good mate lived a few doors down from the Fletchers and his older brother was best mates with Ian so I recall seeing Ian at his house a lot. The younger brother (who will remain nameless to keep him out of it) was indeed an extremely bright fellow – I believe he was one of only 3 scholarship receipients of his 7th form year and he was in the same division at Burnside High as Key (South) and contemporaries. Key lived maybe 5 minutes away from the Fletchers – a great family friend lived across the road from the Keys in Bounty Street and remained close to Mrs Key until her death.

    It shows the desperation of Labour when they have to beat this up as some kind of conspiracy theory.

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  19. Auberon (860 comments) says:

    I’m sorry kiwi in america, I’ve enjoyed your contributions to this site but as a person who has met members of the Fletcher family I no longer consider it safe for you to comment on Kiwiblog. I’m sure DPF will be back me on this. Au revoir.

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  20. Chris2 (747 comments) says:

    I don’t recall Labour expressing a similar concern when their defeated Leader, Helen Clarke, got a job in the UN and hired her Chief of Staff, Heather Simpson, to accompany her and work in New York with her.

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  21. Judith (7,248 comments) says:

    Whilst the fact their mothers were friends and they are indeed friends has little to do with the overall picture, John Key, who has promised us openness and transparency should have made that relationship obvious when the Dotcom issue began. If for no other reason than to be able to divert any of these sorts of issues later.

    I am disappointed that Key has not delivered on his promise, because I personally found it refreshing when he offered it, after so many years of secrecy and ‘forgetfulness’. Sadly he is selective, and that promise has been met on some issues and in others he frequently ‘can’t recall’ or simply fails to mention the things that he should know will be ‘made something of’ if he doesn’t.

    It is no longer good enough to have these ‘I don’t recall’ moments. If he wants our confidence then he has to recall and reveal prior to being asked to. That is transparency, and even on the small and stupid things like this one – they are important to the overall impression of an honest PM.

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  22. Fisiani (933 comments) says:

    Every question Labour ask about this means they have one less question to ask to hold the government to task. Every question they ask about Sky City is another wasted question. Every “does he stand by all his statements” leads to quips about bank statements. I reckon that Robertson is playing the long game and deliberately sabotaging Shearer in order to force him to quit Nov2014.

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  23. Redbaiter (7,482 comments) says:

    “they are important to the overall impression of an honest PM.”

    Maybe you can give us an example for Key to aspire to emulate Judith.

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  24. kiwi in america (2,425 comments) says:

    Auberon
    Are you Kiwiblog’s moderator now?

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  25. joe bloggs (126 comments) says:

    Judith, I hope your masters at Willis Street are paying you a bonus for your sterling efforts – it’s just a pity that Shearer rained on your parade with his secret bank account and his egregious claim of selective forgetfulness.

    Kind of takes all the wind out of your blustering demands that John Key should recall, reveal, and recant every passing acquaintance and every minor event in his life for the past 51 years.

    Enough of your faux outrage.

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  26. Craig in Canberra (3 comments) says:

    Things are getting desperate for Labour, like labor! Check out this great article in the Canberra Times yesterday http://kiwiincanberra.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/see-labour-he-is-much-more-to-nz-and-australia-than-just-smile-and-wave

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  27. Judith (7,248 comments) says:

    joe bloggs (118) Says:
    March 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    ————————–

    Well here’s a tricky one for you – I don’t actually ‘support’ any political party – but I did vote in the last election with a split vote. My party vote went to a different party from my local vote. Both at opposite ends of the continuum.

    My vote is eclectic. I vote for who offers the most for what me and my family need for now and in the future. I did like John Key, I felt he bought promise – I don’t now – I think he has compromised himself by buying into the influences around him. I voted for him the first time, I didn’t last time. I’m flakey with my vote – I look after myself and show no loyalty to any party. How they perform and the reality of what they promise is weighed up – god knows who I’ll vote for next time – frankly I don’t like any of the options at present.

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  28. niggly (799 comments) says:

    Another lazy unbalanced article from Andrea Vance, who used other media sound bites (JK & GR) then prostituted herself with the Greens to repeat their conspiracy theories (a half decent journalist would have mocked the Greens tin-hat foil conspiracies).

    Keep it up Fairfax and Vance, I just paid my latest FF subscription but next month I’ll likely cancel it …

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  29. flipper (3,479 comments) says:

    Kiwi in USA

    Thanks your posts…….. informative and helpful. Good stuff!

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  30. Redbaiter (7,482 comments) says:

    “I vote for who offers the most for what me and my family need”

    Jude’s vote- Up for auction to the highest bid.

    That’s democracy for you- always under threat from selfish white ants.

    Quote-

    “Democracy can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.”

    Unquote

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  31. niggly (799 comments) says:

    Kiwi in America

    Thanks also for your posts – they are insightful (especially the inner political workings) and shed light on to the reasons for the weird, selfish and hypocritical behavior of Labour for those outside the beltway to understand! Damn good shit!

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  32. Judith (7,248 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (2,526) Says:
    March 28th, 2013 at 9:19 am
    “they are important to the overall impression of an honest PM.”

    Maybe you can give us an example for Key to aspire to emulate Judith.
    ———————————————–

    David Lange – ok he wore the wrong colour undies, but he was a good ‘kiwi bloke’ who wasn’t afraid to tell it exactly how it was.

    I actually also liked Rob Muldoon – because he had the same quality – he didn’t buy into the ‘saying what people want to hear’ just to impress argument. He got my very first vote.

    My family is as ‘blue as the bonnie flag of Scotland’ – when we have a family reunion Gargamel turns up thinking its a meeting of the smurfs. I’m the only rebel among them – wearing a coat of the many colours I’ve supported over the years – the rest of my family would vote blue even if they advocated the extermination of the human race – it’s great being the family’s black sheep – it helps with their constipation.

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  33. kiwi in america (2,425 comments) says:

    Cheers flipper and niggly

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  34. joe bloggs (126 comments) says:

    There’s no comfort for me Judith in knowing that you are a flakey voter.

    Still there’s a very small point in your favour – you haven’t demanded yet that John Key disclose that he lived only 5 minutes down the road from Kiwi in America (@8:56am) before being asked to. Shows that despite your flakiness you still have a small grain of sense left – unlike the Opposition pushing this wacky conspiracy theory line…

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  35. Redbaiter (7,482 comments) says:

    Thanks for the examples Judith.

    They (Lange and Muldoon) were a good response, and although I don’t know much about that political era, from what I have read on it, it sounds pretty much right.

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  36. joe bloggs (126 comments) says:

    ironic that you should single out Rob Muldoon for his openness and honesty Judith

    Evidently years of marital infidelity, being drunk in charge of the dissolution of parliament, and his illegal and unconstitutional actions revealed in Muldoon v Fitzgerald don’t count against him in your court.

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  37. Judith (7,248 comments) says:

    joe bloggs (119) Says:
    March 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am
    —————————-

    I don’t expect John Key or any prime minister to write a big reveal before they take the seat – but what I want – after years of secrecy and ‘virtual corruption’ is transparency – peppered with a bit of forethought.

    It is not good enough waiting to see if the issue is discovered – or made into something by the opposition. If it has the slightest potential for that (whether good sense or not) then I require the PM (any PM) to know that everything they do or have done will be dissected and therefore reveal anything – before it becomes an issue.

    All cards, open and on the table – Shearer has learned this last week what happens when that is not done – he will suffer because of that – Key has more experience than Shearer, and frankly I’m over making allowances for him being the new boy. He should have predicted how his prior friendship would have been perceived. Had he acknowledged the friendship, even as part of a simple conversation – he would have not given the opposition any weapons to use against him.

    That is what I expect – a prime minister with the intelligence and forethought – who is prepared to be transparent in all things (except of course national security). We have not had that for a long time – and the person that provides us with it – would make mince meat of anything on offer. JK promised it – I want to see him deliver it.

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  38. davidp (3,533 comments) says:

    Before the next election, we need to see a full list of all the people who will be ineligible for public service jobs if Grant Robertson is Deputy PM:

    1. All children of friends of Grant’s mum.
    2. All children of friends of Grant’s dad.
    3. All childhood friends of Grant.
    4. All brothers and sisters of childhood friends of Grant.
    5. All childhood friends of Grant’s brothers and sisters, assuming he is not an only child.
    6. Anyone else irreparably compromised under the Robertson rules. Such as grandchildren of friends of Grant’s mum; nephews and nieces of the brothers and sisters of Grant’s childhood friends; anyone who ever met Grant’s uncle at a party once a long time ago; etc.

    If Grant finishes the list before the election then we can sack all these people the day after the election.

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  39. flipper (3,479 comments) says:

    Joe Bloggs..,..,

    Let’s keep try and keep to the subject……..

    But your slash at RDM is a diversion that deserves a brief response.

    If you wish to talk about political ethics and constitutional matters, there are several more recent examples involving Clark (and her shadow, H2), Peters, et al.

    Muldoon may have needed legislation to make good on his General Election promise re super monies, but he never pinched more than a million dollars from the tax payer to fund his election campaign.

    Infidelity ?
    I several times asked him and, seperately, Tam, about the left’s promotion of this canard. Both flatly denied it. From having spent many hours with them in situations ranging from formal to holidays, I saw no reason to question their assurances. Moreover, because it was known that we spent time together, my wife (who once caused a bunch of fuming Treasury ‘crats a 45 minute delay in their appointment while RDM talked about his model collection (in his office) to my wife and the 20 children with her), was sometimes the subject of some of those “rumours”. Just crap!

    Did he have a female-appreciative eye? Yep. .
    Did he flirt? Yep
    Did he get married to advance/secure his political career? Nope.

    Game set and match Joe.

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  40. Auberon (860 comments) says:

    Is it just a coincidence that Stefan Browning’s Facebook page is no longer working? Or does he not want us to see who his ‘friends’ are? Extremely suspicious. Sinister even. I think Mr Browning needs to stand down from doing whatever it is he does for that odd grouping he belongs to until this matter can be cleared up.

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  41. RightNow (6,623 comments) says:

    Judith @ 9.40am:

    I’m flakey

    The rest was unnecessary

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  42. dubya (213 comments) says:

    If you needed proof enough that Steffan Browning is nuts, he is the spokesperson for the Soil and Health Organisation. These guys believe in something called ‘Bio-Dynamics’. This involves such scientific methods as “Oak bark (Quercus robur) is chopped in small pieces, placed inside the skull of a domesticated animal, surrounded by peat and buried in earth in a place where lots of rain water runs past”.

    You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

    It’s basically a combination of astrology and homeopathy. Enough said.

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  43. Yoza (1,474 comments) says:

    The GCSB is not a New Zealand spy agency, it is a minor offshoot of the US’s international intelligence gathering network; Ian Fletcher, by extension does not operate in the interests of the New Zealand public – we only pay his salary – his masters live in Washington. Similarly, John Key’s only work experience is generating income for massive concentrations of foreign capital – something at which he has excelled since achieving the status of Prime Minister if the current national balance of payments are anything to go by.

    These quislings are not working in the interests of this country, they are functionaries for foreign ambitions. Maybe 60 or 70 years ago when New Zealanders reflexively deferred to the global superiority of our British overlords these kinds of positions would fit with the sort of sycophantic crawlers that covet them now. That so many meekly and cravenly acquiesce to having one imperial master replaced with another is a searing indictment on those people’s slavish mentality – just a bunch of desperate little sheep really.

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  44. niggly (799 comments) says:

    LOL Yoza.

    You should stand for the Green or Alliance Party next election, or whatever paranoid Marxist group that takes your fancy (and has the least liklihood of knifing their own members).

    NZ has been Western aligned for over 100 years. It ain’t gonna change so get over it mate or move to Cuba!

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  45. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (768 comments) says:

    I think Labour and Greens have given up winning against John Key fair and square and now they are in desperate territory. I hope the public can see all this and vote accordingly in 2014 to punish these nasty elements.

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  46. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (768 comments) says:

    Judith (1,848) – Looks like this time Hone deserves your vote.

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  47. UpandComer (506 comments) says:

    This is what these simpleton political technocrats in Labour now think is a matter of substance. That a man with a brilliant CV, absolutely perfect for the job he is doing, has a mum, who had some cups of tea with the Prime-Minister’s mum, once upon a time. What the fuck.

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