The ALP falling apart

March 21st, 2013 at 3:20 pm by David Farrar

The Party is tearing itself apart. Great political theatre. News.com.au is doing a live update. Developments today include:

  • Labor hid polls from their own leader so Rudd could be rolled in 2010
  • A Labor MP has called om the Chief Govt Whip to resign for disloyalty to Gillard
  • Rudd and Crean discussing a leader-deputy ticket to roll Gillard
  • Simon Crean has both called on party to unite behind Gillard and also attacked her for “the class warfare politics she has waged”
  • Labor has backed down and withdrawn their media regulation bills
  • Crean has now called for a leadership spill and says he will not stand for leader, but will for deputy.

Glorious fun,

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38 Responses to “The ALP falling apart”

  1. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    I’m just going to bite my tongue… listening to Crean now…

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  2. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    No one does backstabbing and disunity like the left!

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  3. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Glorious fun indeed.

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  4. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Crean- “this is not a matter of loss of confidence in the PM.”

    Hahaha.. same old commie sleazebags.

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  5. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Crean has to be a fucking idiot. If he had put himself forward as potential leader he would have won. But he’s offered himself up as deputy to the hated Rudd? Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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  6. Kimble (4,438 comments) says:

    Yeah I reckon Crean WOULD have won. Rudd may not even win the challenge.

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  7. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning afternoon.

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  8. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    Crean himself said he knows he doesn’t have the numbers.

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  9. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    Michelle Grattan’s take on Crean’s move is good http://theconversation.edu.au/crean-fires-gun-on-leadership-12970

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  10. All_on_Red (1,582 comments) says:

    They are just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. This is all about self preservation from their MPs as they try to reverse the 6-10% swing against each of them in their Electorates.
    Abbott will be in The Lodge come Oct.

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  11. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    Who has the longest knife?

    Joyce, Collins or Parata?

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  12. All_on_Red (1,582 comments) says:

    Who has the smallest brain?
    hamnidaV1 or hamnidaV2
    Its a draw!

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  13. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    Having watched NZ Question Time recently, I don’t think National has any Ministers other than Ryall and Joyce. Joyce has managed Parata by sending her offshore.

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  14. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Parata’s knife is made of wet paper and only good to piss ministry officials off. Useless.

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  15. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    ITS ALL ON AT 6.30PM NZ TIME. LABOUR CAUCUS MEETS TO VOTE ON LEADERSHIP.

    SOME KNOWLEDGABLE AUSSIES DOUBT THAT RUDD HAS CHANGED, AND SAY HE WILL BE AS BAD AS HE WAS BEFORE.

    TOTALLY AGREE….GREAT SPORT!

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  16. SHG (316 comments) says:

    Leadership ballot announced for 6.30pm NZ time today.

    GET SHARPENIN’ THOSE KNIVES, BOYS!

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  17. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Whatever the with Rudd is, the vain and arrogant Labourite is their last hope against Abbott.
    We can call it a simple face-change, given the overall fatigue with Juliar.

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  18. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    hamnidaV2 (105) you fucktard what has that got to do with the article??? Go troll somewhere else.

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  19. Grizz (605 comments) says:

    Crean and Rudd are throwbacks to a forgotten era. Does the Australian Labour Party not got any new talent? Next they will be promoting Kim Beazley.

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  20. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    Crean’s only been in the parliament since 1990, Rudd since ’98. Abbott since ’94. The Libs have got new talent, Turnbull, but they turfed him (hell, I’d vote for Turnbull).

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  21. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Well, Labor must know by now that Gillard is a shambolic leader, and the won’t win with her as PM. But Rudd, the only campaign that the Libs have to run is replays of what the various labor worthies said about him over the last year ! That would have the luvvies frothing at the mouth as an added bonus.

    The Australian parliament goes into recess for 7 weeks, any chance that it will get dissolved and a snap election called ?

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  22. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Do we have a rank outsider?

    Or is it only a two horse race?

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  23. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Paul, Turnbull, really ! The man has performed better of late, but he’s not PM material. His name is always put forward as a Labor tactic to try to split the Liberals, because Turnbull’s natural home by his politics is in Labor. But most of all, Turnbull made no impact on Labor while he was leader, Abbott turned that totally around even while being subjected to one of the nastiest and most personally directed campaigns run in Australia, and they’ve been no slouches in that regard.

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  24. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Interesting – they had a division (vote) on whether to suspend Standing Orders in order for a motion of No Confidence in the PM to be voted on. Some of the Independents voted for the suspension, and the result was 73:71 in favour of suspending standing orders. It failed though because that’s not considered an absolute majority.

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  25. All_on_Red (1,582 comments) says:

    Ed
    Absolutly right about Turnbull. He is yesterdays man. Good god, he even likes the Carbon Dioxide tax! He should put his name forward today to be Prime Minister for Labor.

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  26. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Isn’t moving against Gillard considered to be a display of gross misogyny ? Or can that only be displayed by Liberal members who are also catholics ?

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  27. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    Ed, he’s got his failings I’m sure – all pollies do – and he’s certainly much closer to the centre than others in his party… perhaps that’s why I like him… I am a Labour voter (note that there’s a “u” in that Labour, not Labor, I can’t vote in Australia, I’m not a citizen).

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  28. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Paul, I guessed you would be, only Labor (and Labour) voters would actually vote for Turnbull ! He might even make a not disappointing PM (might I said, personally i doubt it) but as leader of the opposition he was useless. It is a tactic though to mention him.

    Labor, putting the stab in stabilidy !

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  29. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    Crean gone

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  30. Paul Williams (878 comments) says:

    Ed, yeah as Opposition Leader, he wasn’t different enough agreed. Abbott certainly is.

    Incidentally, this might amuse – though you may need to google Steve Bradbury https://twitter.com/grassisleena/status/314589888412532737/photo/1

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  31. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Rudd is not challenging. So what now?

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  32. metcalph (1,430 comments) says:

    Rudd is not running. To paraphrase Justified:

    “”I always figured you for a special kind of idiot, Simon Crean. But what you have done in the past 12 hours is light years beyond any stupidity even I thought you were capable of.”

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  33. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Watched some of the live update. Australian politics is unique!

    Breaking news : Crean makes an arse of himself
    Breaking news : Rudd finds he doesn’t have the numbers
    Breaking news : Gillard and Swan elected unopposed
    Breaking news : Tomorrow, the sun will rise in the east and set in the west.

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  34. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Breaking news : Tomorrow, the sun will rise in the east and set in the west.

    At least we are equal with Australia on something.

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  35. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Pete, not equal – we are ahead of them on that ;)

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  36. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    What we learned today (most of which we already knew):
    – Julia can’t win the election, and everyone in Labor know it
    – Rudd didn’t have the certain numbers
    – They’d rather lose with Julia than win with Rudd (and they don’t really think Rudd can win anyway)
    – There is nobody else who wants it, because they all think the election’s lost, so whomever takes the leadership has to work their arses off then get shot afterwards

    I think this sort of works out OK for Julia. They were having an awful week that was reflecting poorly on Julia. All that’s washed away, now she’s the person who stared down Rudd again (notwithstanding that didn’t really happen). So instead of the story being the botched media reforms on which Julia put her abilities on the line – promising to fix it – it is now all about the leadership spill.

    Abbott must be spitting tacks.

    But medium-term, all this mess still reduces the Labor vote irrespective of who is leader. And the reality is that they’re probably going to the election with Julia, and they know that means losing and losing big.

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  37. Ancient Dan (47 comments) says:

    Turnbull is the socialist who made energy saving bulbs compulsory just ahead of the LED revolution
    He is as statist as the labor party.

    The Rudd Gilliard governments have been a collection of uni students and Union hacks
    out of their depth.
    Ferguson was the only one who had a grip on reality the rest are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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  38. Brendon OConnor (1 comment) says:

    This looked more like a stich up between Gillard and Crean to make sure she covered up the recent mess she found herself in and to stop Rudd and his gang in his tracks.
    She announced the caucus meeting within minutes of Crean announcing his decision and prior to them even discussing it, so she knew exactly what he was going to say and no risk of it coming out differently.
    Crean just fell on his sword for the party good and if he didn’t do it now then he would have been in the same position in a month or so when Rudd would have had the numbers to beat Gillard.
    Crean hates Rudd more than Gillard does, so he wasn’t doing this to win favours with Rudd. Like Rudd was ever going to make Crean his deputy. More chance of Rudd making Gillard his deputy.
    Still wont win Gillard the election.

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