They want the soda size limit here also

March 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Martin Johnston at NZ Herald reports:

experts in New Zealand are dismayed at the legal clamp slapped on New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s law to ban super-sized sugary soft drinks in restaurants.

They should have a large soda to drown their sorrows.

His law would have limited cups of sugary soft drinks sold at restaurants, cinemas and other food service establishments to 453ml.

That is approaching close to two standard measuring cups (500ml) and is well short of the large and super-sized sugar drinks sold in New Zealand fast-food shops.

McDonald’s “large” soft drinks contain 651ml and the biggest offering at Wendy’s is around 1200ml, although Wendy’s says it doesn’t sell many of these mega-drinks.

How evil. They must be banned, along with large easter eggs.

Fight the Obesity Epidemic spokeswoman Dr Robyn Toomath said it was a great shame the mayor’s bid to help halt the growth of New Yorkers’ waistlines had been thwarted.

Yes it is a great shame that human beings have been allowed to choose for themselves what size drink they want. We must protect them from themselves.

 

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43 Responses to “They want the soda size limit here also”

  1. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    “help halt the growth of … waistlines” – just legalise speed.

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  2. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    large Easter eggs should be banned. As soon as I start eating them I simply can’t stop untill it’s all gone. I need the Govt to help me here.

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  3. Fletch (6,497 comments) says:

    When I get one of those larger drinks as part of a combo, I hardly ever finish it anyway.
    It’s kind of watery and not very fizzy, because of the ice I suppose.
    I know you can ask for no ice, but I hardly ever bother.

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  4. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Dr Robyn Toomath, you can get fucked many, many times!

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  5. All_on_Red (1,650 comments) says:

    Well, theres a lot of sugar in wine. That will be next. Drink up while you can. I am.

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  6. Rightandleft (670 comments) says:

    They claim they need to protect the poor uneducated masses from themselves because they don’t realise drinking litres of sugary drinks a day is bad for them. That’s ridiculous of course. Anyone who goes to health class in school, or watches TV or follows all the news of celebrities and their diets knows that drinking loads of soda/eating loads of sugar isn’t going to make you slim! Someone actually argued with me that there are many people in NZ too poor to have a TV so they don’t know litres of coke a day are bad for them!

    Then comes the argument that they drink lots of fizzy drink because they’re too poor to have healthy alternatives. That’s total bullshit. I drink plain soda water all the time and it costs less than Coke or fruit juice. Cost has nothing to do with it. It’s a lifestyle choice and the government has no place putting such arbitrary rules in place.

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  7. pq (728 comments) says:

    My local supermarket [ New world ] appears to have joined the temperance movement. When selling alcohol they not only require double entry to the till but also they come close to the buyer to see if he/she has been drinking. A woman walked up to the checkout with 11 bottles of wine and was cross examined, why so many bottles of wine. She had to explain herself. At the self check out, they come up to you and scrutinise , has she been drinking, has she been here before today. They blame the poofter NZ Nat legislation which says if they sell to a person who has taken alcohol, and purchase more alcohol they can be prosecuted. Get ready for breathalysers in your local supermarket care of NZ Nat nanny. Thanks NZ Nat nanny, get out of our lives. Over in Thialand there is also a rule on alcohol prescribing the hours you can buy it in registered supermarkets, 11am til 1pm and 5pm onward. That is unless you are buying over ten litres, or whisky and then then you can buy it anytime.

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  8. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    This is a good demonstration of the insidious nature of progressivism.

    First Doomberg went after tobacco, then salt, trans-fat, 16oz cups of soda, then there was the “latch-on” plan which aims to “discourage” mothers from feeding babies powdered / formula milk. It never stops.

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  9. Michael (911 comments) says:

    Dr Robyn Toomath makes Dr Russel Norman look like an ACT MP. Don’t ever listen for more than a soundbite, she will make you angry – honestly, she would welcome a 1984 like regime with food shortages and enforced exercise.

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  10. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    Just seen something in 3 news about obese pets being feed junk food. One women said she found it impossible to stop feeding her pooch treats (I don’t think she explained why, there was no sign of anyone holding a gun to her head.

    In the old days think the idiocrisists had trouble finding and preparing sufficient food so their weight was self regulating.

    Now they are convinced by thew consumer marketing gods to keep scoffing highly processed addictively sweet and salty junk, and more recently to give their pets the same compulsive junk.

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  11. Steve (North Shore) (4,592 comments) says:

    Robbing To Math.

    Just a shame that the TAXPAYER is paying for you to tell them what to do.
    Have sex and travel woman, get out of other people’s lives

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  12. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    Privatise healthcare, make people responsible for their own health… will never happen.

    Such a pity we have a country full of no hopers and do gooders who together are trying to stuff it up for everyone else.

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  13. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    You neglected to quote the most revealing (depressing) statement in the article:

    “Nobody believed by itself this would make a significant difference, but it was getting things under way … It set the direction that there are opportunities for regulation that will make a difference. I hope he fights back.”

    Scary.

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  14. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Wait until this mad woman really gets her shit together….there’ll be no stopping her.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/71aoe81d8hvblhg/Water.jpg

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  15. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    That’s scary stuff PQ.
    The grey brigade marches on. Between Toomath and Salmond we’re poked.Didn’t they used to call these types spinsters?
    Half the fun in life would disappear if you weren’t given the freedom to battle your own addictions. Case in point:
    I cannot get to sleep at night without a coupla pieces of peanut butter toast. I can stop with the wine (now), I haven’t had a ciggy in years. I’m otherwise a normal eater.
    But night after night I find myself shifty eyed, and devouring 2 pieces of nutty butter like there’s no tomorrow. If anyone talks to me during this process I bare my teeth and draw my drug of choice closer.
    My best friends are those that share my nightly indulgence. We wouldn’t have much in common otherwise. Every morning I wake up thinking, “what have I done”? have to stop this”. My belly is complaining and the wind is nigh. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired.
    But I’ve been through this process before and one day I’ll back on these fondly as the Peanut Butter years.

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  16. radvad (772 comments) says:

    Do not pass more and more laws. The best way to change behaviour is to change incentives. Fund everyone equally for health care and make individuals top that up to cover their lifestyle choices.
    Simple solution to a manufacTured problem.

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  17. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Just a smidgeon of things to come once the Greens assume power in New Zealand.

    “Mum do we have to have Lentil stew for dinner AGAIN tonight??”

    “Yes dear. Dr Norman and Ms Kedgely know better and only want what’s good for us”

    “Mum what did Coca Cola taste like?”

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  18. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Dr Robin Toomath…and associates…..you can take my $400 Italian shoe….smear some Peri peri hot sauce on it….dip it in sugar…..AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR CANDY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:-(

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  19. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    “Dr Robyn Toomath, you can get fucked many, many times!”

    You’ll have to do it all yourself Manolo. I hate scrawny birds. Their ribs rattle too much! :)

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  20. Yvette (2,852 comments) says:

    Fill them up first with soda, Johnboy, makes a better sound

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  21. Reid (16,634 comments) says:

    Fight the Obesity Epidemic spokeswoman Dr Robyn Toomath said it was a great shame the mayor’s bid to help halt the growth of New Yorkers’ waistlines had been thwarted.

    Lefty thinking amazes me.

    They seem to have no conception of humans. They seem not to realise we walk and talk and do stuff with no thought to consequence excepting when it may eventually involve being locked up in a cell with a burly angry sexually starved person who eyes our goodies with evil lust and malintent. That’s normally when we humans draw the line. But apart from that. Hey.

    In some ways therefore lefties are on the right track, for we humans shouldn’t think like that, at all. After all, in this world of obesity, how come for example we tolerate people in some countries having to live on rubbish dumps? And all of the rest of the stuff that happens.

    But its amazing isn’t it that while this fertile ground for real “make a difference stuff” exists aplenty; lefties, who claim they are the pwogwessive, “advanced” thinkers, the weally humane ones and [self-righteously] the only ones who so think; choose to pick not only on such a comparatively trivial topic but also on a methodology that won’t possibly ever fly not in a million years?

    Are they mental, or what?

    It’s like watching a bunch of kids from the treehouse club trying to build something in the backyard that will fly into space. And they really believe it will. And the sad part is, they get vewy vewy angwy when the adults point out that, er, it possibly may not actually even get off the ground, Jimmy. Unless you do this and that to do, then it might. But no. The angwy self-aware little darlings see such advice as an invasion of their fweedom and the slightest attempt to intervene and thereby correct their otherwise fatal trajectory is met with scornful derision and laughter, because they know best and their hearts tell them this is so, and so it, therefore, ipso facto, is. So there. Stamp. And if you don’t agwee, why then you’re the worst person in the whole wide world.

    It amazes me because this is actually, by their actions in the world, like this one the subject of this post, how lefties really truly do operate. You can see it in project after project after project. You’d think that sometimes one or two might wake up and leave the group, given their hopeless record in the real world as it really does exist, but no. The lefty net continues apace garnering more and more recwuits as time goes by.

    I’m not sure about you, but I’ve concluded we’re doomed.

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  22. Mary Rose (393 comments) says:

    Quick check, after thinking “who…?”:
    “FOE (Fight the Obesity Epidemic) is a charitable trust working to stop and reverse the rise of obesity and type 2 diabetes in New Zealand.”

    FOE is a bunch of busybodies with too much time on their hands, by the look of it.

    Among other things, their activities include: ‘Producing an on-line newsletter (Obesity News)

    That sounds like a Must Read.

    The Scorned >you can take my $400 Italian shoe

    Is the expense or origin significant to the purpose you suggest? And why do you only have one? ;-)

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  23. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    F**K the “food nazis”. If they had their way, we’d all be forced to live on celery sticks.

    Guess what? I really like having banana smoothies (there’s a juice bar in Wgtn that makes *really* good ones), and I don’t have them because the food nazis told me to. I have them because they’re bloody delicious.

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  24. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    I hope you don’t regard farting during coitus as a “better sound” Yvette?

    What may be acceptable in France or Belgium is as welcome here as horse in your big mac! :)

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  25. Yvette (2,852 comments) says:

    horse in your big mac! – you want flies with that :-)

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  26. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Monique, you need to develop arachibutyrophobia. That’ll sort your nutty craving :)

    Toomath is should be educated enough to know that humans respond well to incentives, but will use their considerable talents to circumvent imposed restrictions. radvad is right. We’re screwed by a social services model which protects people from the consequences of their own freely made, if foolish, decisions.

    40 years ago there was no stigma associated with drink driving. It’s taken that long for it to develop, and I suspect this stigma is more responsible for limiting alcohol-related road deaths than is, say, changing licencing laws. How long before obesity is stigmatised?

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  27. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    No surprises here.

    Dr Toomath wants to tell us what we can eat and drink, Ken Douglas wants to be able to tell us where we can buy it from. Super City and super regulation – the same side of the same coin.

    Mr Douglas also said a big-box shopping development at the south end of Tawa, including a brand new Countdown supermarket, was designed to suck business away from Porirua.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/8429683/Poririua-councillor-blasts-Wellington-mayor

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  28. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    The stage was set when they targeted smokers.
    ,
    Sugar causes more preventable deaths than smoking. The government is duty bound to step in and “do something”.

    Based on the tobacco precedent, sugar should be taxed even higher. We are talking $30.00 for a packet of mellow puffs, at least. And you may not eat them inside.

    You fat diabetic wankers that thought it was ok to ban smoking in bars and put all that tax on, need to reap what you sowed. I want you all to pay for the cost of your health care. That will include back taxes for all the years you did not pay your way, and the increased health care, plus a massive tax to re-educate people. Sugar eating people who opposed smoking are not worthy of any consideration and need to be treated as the low life underclass they really are. Your shitty diet and lack of exercise are now the leading cause of preventable death. You should all be punished severely and taxed into poverty.

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  29. Mark (1,493 comments) says:

    not a fan of nanny state regulation for this sort OF thing. It is interesting how much sugar is in soft drinks. Just another good reason to drink my gin neat.

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  30. pq (728 comments) says:

    just for fun, read below first

    pq (626) Says: March 15th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    My local supermarket [ New world ] appears to have joined the temperance movement. When selling alcohol they not only require double entry to the till but also they come close to the buyer to see if he/she has been drinking. A woman walked up to the checkout with 11 bottles of wine and was cross examined, why so many bottles of wine. She had to explain herself. At the self check out, they come up to you and scrutinise , has she been drinking, has she been here before today. They blame the poofter NZ Nat legislation which says if they sell to a person who has taken alcohol, and purchase more alcohol they can be prosecuted. Get ready for breathalysers in your local supermarket care of NZ Nat nanny. Thanks NZ Nat nanny, get out of our lives. Over in Thialand there is also a rule on alcohol prescribing the hours you can buy it in registered supermarkets, 11am til 1pm and 5pm onward. That is unless you are buying over ten litres, or whisky I am going to but 2 bottles of wine myself, and then I am going to drink it, and then I am coming back for another 11 bottles, so suck that

    Monique Watson (962) Says: March 15th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
    That’s scary stuff PQ.
    The grey brigade marches on. Between Toomath and Salmond we’re poked.Didn’t they used to call these types spinsters?
    Half the fun in life would disappear if you weren’t given the freedom to battle your own addictions. Case in point:
    I cannot get to sleep at night without a coupla pieces of peanut butter toast. I can stop with the wine (now), I haven’t had a ciggy in years. I’m otherwise a normal eater.
    But night after night I find myself shifty eyed, and devouring 2 pieces of nutty butter like there’s no tomorrow. If anyone talks to me during this process I bare my teeth and draw my drug of choice closer.
    My best friends are those that share my nightly indulgence. We wouldn’t have much in common otherwise. Every morning I wake up thinking, “what have I done”? have to stop this”. My belly is complaining and the wind is nigh. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired.
    But I’ve been through this process before and one day I’ll back on these fondly as the Peanut Butter years.
    end Monique

    Well one day Monique the peanut butter factory closed up like the marmite factory, it was terrible, thew women were distraught and they took to drinking instead. Soon after they were consoled , and they never went back to peanut butter again, and also by that time there were limits ion the amount of peanut butter you could buy, like maragrine in the 1960’s thanks Nanny state, agree with immediate above poster drink straight

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  31. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    If sugar rich drinks and food are the problem, then why not put a tax on them. That way if a person really wants to drink themselves silly, they can, and their resulting poor health with huge costs will at least be subsidised by the tax collected on their excessive consumption of sweet stuff.

    The problem with these types of controversies is that people who comment here are reasonably intelligent folks. I suspect most well above the IQ average. They expect everyone else to be of similar intelligence. It’s not so. For every one person above the average 100, there is at least one below.

    Some people just can’t work out that drinking so much sugar will ruin their health, so you have to get the message through to them – unfortunately responsible governance is taking care of the ‘lowest possible denominator’.

    At least putting the price up, by taxation, will mean those that can afford it, and wish to turn diabetic and wear really really big clothes, and sweat, and chafe and all the other horrible stuff that goes with being obese, can still do it – it will just cost them more, but at least I, as a tax payer, won’t be paying their excessive health costs.

    (said whilst munching on a cadbury chocolate peppermint easter egg – god they’re nice!)

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  32. pq (728 comments) says:

    sounds good,send photos Judith

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  33. Akld Commercial Lawyer (166 comments) says:

    Glancing at the topics of the day (yes its become addictive) I find the discussion on this one the most frustrating. The beat up on the living wage, which omits the contribution yesterday by “the current mayor of Auckland” (Stephen Joyce’s label not mine) and the silliness about the manufacturing sector is all too predictable. That’s not to say that the wrongheadedness isn’t frightening – no wonder the owners of many SME pull their hair out in chunks when they have to deal with some of this at coalface.
    But amongst an audience that I presume is made up of people who have been smart and resilient enough to bootstrap themselves into doing things that make this funny little economy work – treating this topic as solely a doctrinaire issue is not (IMHO) the way to go. Yep, the academics have a yard or two to go to translate the findings from their data in a way that does not seem pointy-headed and somewhat detached from the real world. But ignoring what is coming down the pike when the demographics and the health data are all pointing in one direction (can’t wait for some of the census data to become available) is not a winning strategy. From what I have read, a game changer is needed right because a generation worth of poor health stats is pretty much locked in – and there is worse to come unless its stopped for the generation after that. The costs are likely to be startlingly – and I will take the comments about lawyer’s adeptness with numbers on the chin. There is only one group who will be paying for this – and its the same group who pay the bulk of the taxes now. Frankly, it has many of the same elements as the charter schools debate – if we keep doing the same stuff, we are destined to get the same results. Some see charter schools as the thin end of the wedge for changing teacher’s terms and conditions of employment and it may well be. But having had the benefit of talking to some teachers in the lower deciles who are pragmatic enough to know that a sea change is required – I can’t help wondering why this topic is even up for a debate. By all means thrash out the how we prevent a diabetes horror story – because there is probably no single right answer. And I wouldn’t pretend that academia will come up with it unaided. There’s a great quote from the 80s, the author of which I am struggling to find about leaving government alone to find a solution to an economic problem leads to a cure that is often worse than the complaint. As a result, some partnering is required – because I think the pragmatatists in this Govt are smart enough to see that they can’t do the ostrich on this issue. So dressing it up as something other than pure pragmatism is (to me) a losing argument. To me, brainstorming for solutions, running them through cost/benefit analysis and getting stuck in should be the next step. How about some thought leadership – Kiwis are not, by nature, all rebounders (in the basketball sense).

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  34. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Gee. If Auckland commercial lawyers could just cure their verbal diarrhea some of us would just about look at their shit! :)

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  35. Nostradamus (3,435 comments) says:

    Akld Commercial Lawyer:

    You need to take some of Philu’s medication – but not too much.

    He uses lots of paragraphs – you use none!

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  36. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Perhaps in the super city paragraphs are supersized as well?

    Or maybe Akld Commercial Lawyer is just a product of the modern lack of education and has never learned English! :)

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  37. Nostradamus (3,435 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    That’s not quite right.

    Akld Commercial Lawyer has learned lots of English – just not the sort that you like to read!

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  38. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    ACL – hard work wading through that, paragraph breaks help readibility, but good points. I agree that we need to look for sea change solutions or we could be beset by massive problems of our own making. Just repeating “self responsibility” is going to achieve nothing.

    To me, brainstorming for solutions, running them through cost/benefit analysis and getting stuck in should be the next step.

    How do you think this could best be done? People inspired and driven brainstorming? Just leaving it to politicians is not working, nor should it be relied on.

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  39. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    “How do you think this could best be done? People inspired and driven brainstorming? Just leaving it to politicians is not working, nor should it be relied on.”

    Not if they are out there measuring carparks PG! :)

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  40. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    There’s much more important things to be grizzling about than car parks JB. I thought of using the taxing of jellybeans as another trivial example but that wouldn’t be trivial for diabetics.

    Someone has to to the thankless tasks but too much of our politics is banal bullshit. The opposition should put most of their time and effort into looking in to the bigger solutions but obviously they don’t do that, they are too obsessed with short term self preservation and power building.

    The internet could be used to establish a people’s think tank – but most people couldn’t really give a stuff as long as they can keep feeding their faces.

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  41. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    “There’s much more important things to be grizzling about than car parks JB.”

    Have you fallen out with PD then PG? :)

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  42. Pete George (23,687 comments) says:

    No, but that’s his job, not mine. He responds to queries that interest me, that’s pretty much all I have to do with him.

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  43. Johnboy (17,018 comments) says:

    Your carpark in Dunedin is safe then! :)

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