Boston Marathon explosions

April 16th, 2013 at 7:33 am by David Farrar

Fox News reports:

The Marathon headquarters has been locked down after two explosions were reported near the finish line, a spokesman told Reuters.

Witnesses reportedly heard two booms near the finish line inside the Fairmount Copley Plaza Hotel that sounded like two claps of thunder. 

The Associated Press says there are reports of injuries. 

Unless this is a freak accident, this is a terrible criminal event – to target marathon runners. One can only assume they wnted to kill or injure as many people as possible.

There are first hand reports on Twitter of horrific injuries, legs blown off etc.

My prayers and thoughts are with the victims, and with the United States today.

UPDATE: Two or three dead so far. My emotions are torn between profound sadness and massive anger. What should have been a day of joy has become a day of tragedy. May those responsible be found and removed from civilisation.

UPDATE2: The NY Post is reporting 12 dead and 50 injured. Note no other media are reporting this many dead. Two dead and six critical is the latest on CNN.

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223 Responses to “Boston Marathon explosions”

  1. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Horrible – and no matter who was responsible the effects of this will be felt widely. One incident will impact on sports events worldwide from now on, including here.

    This will and should add to the GCSB discussions here.

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  2. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    3 hours after the first runners crossed the line, don’t rule out accident.

    But horrible either way.

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  3. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    GCSB?

    So PG is assuming an international terrorism aspect to the incident.

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  4. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Cops have detonated a third device, looking less like a gas leak…..

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  5. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    May those responsible be found and removed from civilisation

    Those responsible were never part of it.

    Horrible.

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  6. meh (165 comments) says:

    Disgusting, hopefully they can identify the person(s) responsible.

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  7. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Video of the explosion.

    https://vine.co/v/bFdt5uwg6JZ

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  8. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    So PG is assuming an international terrorism aspect to the incident.

    I’m not assuming anything, but terrorism is highly likely, high profile event, multiple explosions, rubbish bins, go figure.

    Anti-terrorism spying is a real issue with sporting events. The spy agencies where involved in security for the Rugby World Cup here. Domestic or international both require security – and spying on potential terrorists is a necessary part of it.

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  9. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    I’ll admit that there’s a bit of me thinking “karma” for all the IRA funding that came out of Boston…yeah, I know, but I’m just being honest here. It’s 20 years since two children died when they bombed my home town.

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  10. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Those responsible were never part of [civilisation].

    The original distinction between civilisation and barbarity didn’t amount to much. The Roman civil state could be just as barbaric as any other group.

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  11. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    TVNZ’s Breakfast ‏@BreakfastonOne
    FBI sources say the cause of the explosions is one or more bombs.

    BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking
    Citing intelligence official, Associated Press reports 2 more explosive devices at #Boston #Marathon being dismantled

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  12. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Boston police confirming two dead, 22 wounded

    http://us.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/boston-marathon-explosions/index.html

    http://deadspin.com/explosions-reported-at-the-boston-marathon-473008941

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriots'_Day

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  13. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Who is behind all this? We’ll soon know.

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  14. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    PG

    I’m having a go at you because you’re so quick to tie this incident to a domestic NZ issue. Even before any facts other than ‘2 explosions” are known.We do need GCSB and our Allies.

    Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if the N Koreans were involved,it is some bastards birthday or shall we say the usual suspects ,you know the beardy ones who are into peace and all that.

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  15. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Changing by the minute.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQfVsH1yI

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  16. toms (299 comments) says:

    Nice to see Pete George using the deaths, pain and suffering of others to provide a fig leaf to his authoritarian pleasure at the outrageous attack on our liberty from John Key’s proposed extension of the GCSB’s spying powers.

    Did you smile and punch the air with joy when you heard of the Boston bombing PG?

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  17. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Third incident reported – explosion at JFK library.

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  18. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    NYT graphic.

    https://twitter.com/digg/status/323892943767339009/photo/1

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  19. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    And sure enough..

    https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/statuses/323881158628761601

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  20. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    I instantly thought Islamic terrorists.

    But, there are plenty of anglo saxon crazies in the USA too — white supremists and that type.

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  21. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    .
    Like this Wreck1080.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-03-09-mlk-parade-bomb_N.htm

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  22. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_suspect_guard_y2m8cJO29uC2PDGIjYBalO

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  23. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    From the marathon coverage: video of the explosion.

    edit: shortened link.

    http://bcove.me/qwi5k6ap

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  24. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    I’m having a go at you because you’re so quick to tie this incident to a domestic NZ issue. Even before any facts other than ’2 explosions” are known.

    There were many indicators that a terrorist attack was the most likely, far more than “2 explosions”, which, by the way, looked very much like terrorist type explosions in the video coverage I’d seen.

    It was already tied to a domestic NZ issue. I was watching Firstline where:
    – Russel Norman was whining about Key and the GCSB and saying we should have no domestic spying
    – Rachel Smalley was reporting on the Boston explosions
    – Smalley then interviewed Key attacking him for domestic spying…
    – …then went back to Boston coverage.

    Boston and spying here were juxtaposed, even intertwined.

    And the repercussions of the Boston bombings will be felt here domestically in organisation of and security of major sporting events. And that has a direct impact on what we accept our spying agencies should be allowed to do to try and prevent terrorism.

    It is a very topical issue, and the Boston bombings are a very sad and graphic reminder of what we have to be wary of and try and secure ourselves from.

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  25. cha (4,017 comments) says:

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  26. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    this is just shitty.

    is this the first successful terrorist attack on US soil since the big one?

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  27. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    My guess is it’ll be a lone wolf attack by a US citizen.

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  28. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    All the more reason to give SIS and GCSB some proper teeth, which the Clark Government in 2003 left woolly (deliberately so Clark could always lie about it whichever way it was interpreted.)

    Wonder whether Wussel’s name is on the 80 odd list – his mate Keith Locke may well be – but he hopes to be new Inspector of Security Services under the Green/Labour Government. His sister Marie Leadbetter can be his deputy.

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  29. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Toms said
    “Nice to see Pete George using the deaths, pain and suffering of others ..”

    Well Toms. That is what surveillance is all about — making sure that this sort of shit doesn’t happen. It is not about Shearer, Norman & Co scoring cheap political points. Is there something about this which you don’t understand?

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  30. David Farrar (1,895 comments) says:

    I’d rather this thread focuses on the event, and lets leave related issues such as who did it, implications for security issues, until such things are clear.

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  31. Nick K (1,244 comments) says:

    Nice to see Pete George using the deaths, pain and suffering of others to provide a fig leaf to his authoritarian pleasure at the outrageous attack on our liberty from John Key’s proposed extension of the GCSB’s spying powers.

    Did you smile and punch the air with joy when you heard of the Boston bombing PG?

    I doubt he did. But your lot held a party recently to celebrate the death of the great Margaret Thatcher.

    I bet there were a lot of punches to the air there, Tom Semmens. Including, probably, from you?

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  32. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    All the more reason to give SIS and GCSB some proper teeth, which the Clark Government in 2003 left woolly (deliberately so Clark could always lie about it whichever way it was interpreted.)

    And there it is, the trifecta of stupid.

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  33. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    There seems to be doubt over whether the JFK library incident was another bomb or just a coincidental small fire in a plant room…

    http://www.dotnews.com/2013/jfk-library-official-fire-not-related-marathon-attack

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  34. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Pete – correct, too soon.

    Toms – no, you are a turd.

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  35. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Update JFK incident appears to be fire related

    https://twitter.com/Boston_Police/statuses/323909232195944449

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  36. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    My guess is it’ll be a lone wolf attack by a US citizen.

    Multiple devices is somewhat of an Islamic / Al Qaeda hallmark though (thinking 911, London etc)

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  37. redeye (629 comments) says:

    “POLICE are reportedly guarding a man in a Boston hospital after he was linked to the bombing of a marathon, killing two and wounding many more.

    Two bombs have exploded near the finish of the Boston Marathon, killing two people, injuring 23 others and sending authorities rushing to help wounded spectators at the world’s oldest and most prestigious marathon.

    The New York Post reports a bomber has seen on CCTV footage and a Saudi national – aged 20 – is being held with burn wounds in the Boston Hospital.”

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  38. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Contrarian, wreck1080 –

    yes, with all respect to the victims, Al-Qaeda appears to think big, and if it were them you’d expect there would have been something like a hijacked plane or bombs the size of a truck. Dropping (presumably) small “devices” into rubbish bins seems more like something some random nutter of ordinary means would do..

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  39. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    James is right.

    Is Alex Jones blaming an Obama drone strike yet?

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  40. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    I think it has all the hallmarks of a Muzzie attack. RIP to the victims and hope those injured recover quickly. Hope the sickos are found and terminated with extreme predjudice.

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  41. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    thinking 911, London etc

    But no simultaneous exercises in Boston like for 9/11 and 7/7

    Idiots will blame the “Muzzies” regardless of the facts.

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  42. meh (165 comments) says:

    That Alex Jones is a fuckwit insinuating a false flag almost immediately afterwards..

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  43. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Today is the third Monday of April which in the US is Patriots Day. The Oklahoma bombing was on Patriots day and the siege at Waco ended on Patriots Day.

    Definitely gives credence to a lone wolf US extremist.

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  44. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe

    https://twitter.com/BGlobeSports/status/323889004246343681/photo/1

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    I find it incredibly sad that someone should target an event where there are ordinary people with their families enjoying some of the best things in life – so happy that none of them were probably contemplating the idea that they were in the sights of terrorist or a mad man.

    When we board a plane to the US and attend a function at one of the political centres, we appreciate that there is a chance of being targetted but to hit somewhere like this – just like those that kill at schools, must take a special kind of bastard.

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  46. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    I would like to see a similar post by Farrar every time an american weapon kills innocent people. Just for consistency and credibility like.

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  47. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/photos-of-the-boston-marathon-bombing/100495/

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  48. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Too easy.

    https://twitter.com/fernandesglobe/status/323917840224776192/photo/1

    https://twitter.com/NiallsGirl_KT/status/323904086024003584/photo/1

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  49. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    12 known facts on the bombings at 10.12am (NZ time).

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/12-bombing-facts-10-12am-nz-time/

    I’m gonna speculate and say this is a disgruntled veteran.

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  50. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    I thought you’d over at the bunnies place celebrating the beginning of the insurrection.

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Are there reports of any New Zealanders involved? I can’t find anything in the reports and I know there were some that were running the marathon.

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  52. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Careful, graphic.

    https://twitter.com/passantino/status/323905912081367040/photo/1

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  53. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    http://bostonmarathon.com/searchable-results.html

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  54. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    …..which, by the way, looked very much like terrorist type explosions in the video coverage I’d seen.

    Goodness…. someone can tell (from watching a video) whether the explosion was caused by a terrorist bomb, a BBQ bottle, an equipment failure of some sort or even a gas leak….

    Perhaps they should offer their services to CSI. 8O

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  55. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    It’ll either be Muslim related or something related to liberal progressives.
    Maybe disciples of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers?

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  56. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    But no simultaneous exercises in Boston like for 9/11 and 7/7

    Oh, wait…

    University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.

    “They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about,” Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15. “It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill.”

    http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Were-at-Start-Finish/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

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  57. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    I am glad we don’t see a similar post by Farrar every time an american weapon kills innocent people. Just for consistency and credibility like.

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  58. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    It’ll either be Muslim related or something related to liberal progressives.
    Maybe disciples of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers?

    Christ you’re a an odious prick piece of shit Fletch. Fuck you.

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  59. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    vto- You are an idiot.

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  60. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    http://google.org/personfinder/2013-boston-explosions

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  61. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    ha ha the voting on posts is highly revealing of the hideous and evil thinking of inhabitants here.

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  62. muggins (3,722 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8554974/Kiwis-describe-Boston-horror
    Laila Harre was close.

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  63. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Comedian Patton Oswalt :

    Boston. Fucking horrible.

    I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, “Well, I’ve had it with humanity.”

    But I was wrong. I don’t know what’s going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.

    But here’s what I DO know. If it’s one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we’re lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they’re pointed towards darkness.

    But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We’d have eaten ourselves alive long ago.

    So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, “The good outnumber you, and we always will.”

    http://www.facebook.com/pattonoswalt/posts/10151440800582655

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  64. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Some of the above videos and pictures are horrific, especially the photo of an apparently dead young boy (I’ve also just heard on Boston radio that one of the dead has been confirmed as an 8 year old boy).

    Having run in these types of events, I can’t imagine being a few hundred metres from one of your greatest moments for it to turn into one of the worst.

    It’s natural to assume who is behind this – I just hope they feel the full force of American justice, that they would have in 2001.

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  65. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Fletch’s mate Jim”the dumbest man on the internet”Hoft opines:

    Crazy…. Obama Won’t Call Boston Marathon Bomb Blasts a Terrorist Attack (Video)

    https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=gatewaypundit&tw_i=323927320052264960&tw_p=tweetembed

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  66. muggins (3,722 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8554727/Explosions-at-Boston-Marathon

    Many of the injured have limbs missing.

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  67. muggins (3,722 comments) says:

    Was it a terrorist attack or was it just some nutter?

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  68. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    ABC News reporting that twin explosions at Boston Marathon triggered by remote detonation

    https://twitter.com/BloombergNews

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  69. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Was it a terrorist attack or was it just some nutter?

    Yes, and Yes.

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  70. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    America is doing this daily all around the globe to people whos only crime was to be born in a Muslim country.

    I am no more troubled by dead Americans than I am dead Afghans.

    Yeah this is terrible and horrific, but is nothing compared to what the war mongering Obama does. Think about that next time you all hear about a Drone strike ect. Think about the people blown into shredded hunks of steaming meat. That is what war is about and we in NZ have our name on it.

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  71. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Even Malkin’s Twitchy has had enough of Jones’ stupidity.

    http://twitchy.com/2013/04/15/sickening-alex-jones-calls-boston-marathon-bombing-a-false-flag-operation/

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  72. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    It’s natural to assume who is behind this – I just hope they feel the full force of American justice, that they would have in 2001.

    American justice is what caused this.

    Muslims armies are not in the West killing people daily. We are in their countries. I am not convinced you give a shit about dead young boys, as you seem unconcerned about the thousands killed by America.

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  73. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    cha, are you hyperventilating? Just askin’ …

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  74. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Update 6:48 p.m.: CBS is reporting that police have a Saudi national in custody, and CBS Boston adds that he was seen running away from the explosion. Keep in mind, though, that “running away” is perhaps the least suspicious activity one can have to an explosion.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/bomb-reported-at-boston-marathon-finish-line.html?

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  75. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Not sure why you are leapign to the conclusion it was Muslims terrorists Kea. No one has taken responsibility yet whereas Al Q. or whomever are usually pretty happy to take the blame.

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  76. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    kea

    Thank you for assuming what I care and don’t care about. I’ll refrain on this thread from telling you exactly what I think about your comments.

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  77. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Kea
    Your comments are grossly inappropriate at this time.

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  78. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Nah, got two news feed open + CNN + various live blogs though. Why, do you want me to stop?.

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  79. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    vto (1,092) Says:

    April 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am
    I am glad we don’t see a similar post by Farrar every time an american weapon kills innocent people. Just for consistency and credibility like.

    I doubt the servers could handle that much traffic. Why are 2 dead Americans so much worse than hundreds of thousands of other people ?

    Funny how people wake up to the horrors of bombs only when they go off in their backyard. Maybe they would be less upset if the terrorists had a “Drone”, as the hundreds of Drone attacks launched by Obama attract very little comment.

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  80. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Lance & Zapper. Fuck you both.

    My comments are facts. Pull your self righteous heads out of your arses and reap what your type have sowed.

    I am not anti American and feel for those injured and their families. But the American government does worse than this daily.

    Of course it may be an internal terrorist, as per usual.

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  81. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    http://freakoutnation.com/2013/04/15/westboro-baptist-church-having-twitter-gasms-over-boston-marathon-explosions-plan-to-picket-funerals/

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  82. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I find it incredibly sad that someone should target an event where there are ordinary people with their families enjoying some of the best things in life – so happy that none of them were probably contemplating the idea that they were in the sights of terrorist or a mad man.

    Like Afghans at a wedding.

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  83. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    You have proven what a quality individual you are, kea. Well done.

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  84. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Like Afghans at a wedding.

    Apparently they asked for it, because the Afghans invaded the USA, ………. oh wait ! The Taliban never attacked anyone outside their tribal borders. That was a Saudi guy (a US ally)

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  85. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @Kea – I think this highly likely to be the work of internal terrorists as opposed to Muslim extremists.

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  86. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Kea
    A class act.

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  87. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Boston Police Intial Report: Explosions on Marathon Route
    Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 11:10 am
    Press Release: Boston Police

    The Following Information is Preliminary:
    • At about 2:50pm, on Monday, April 15, 2013, Boston Police responded to two large explosions along the Boston Marathon route in the area of 673 Boylston Street.
    • The Boston Police Department is confirming two fatalities and over twenty injuries.
    • At about 4:12pm, the Boston Police Department responded to a 3nd explosion or fire in the area of the JFK Library in Dorchester. Officials are working to determine the nature of the incident. There are no injuries to report in connection to that incident.
    • At present, a multi-agency response including state and federal law enforcement agencies has been activated and is investigating the cause of the explosions. At this point, it is uncertain if the explosions are connected.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1304/S00166/boston-police-intial-report-explosions-on-marathon-route.htm

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  88. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Kea is talking so much shit he will float away.

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  89. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Kea, you may have missed this comment:

    David Farrar (1,711) Says:
    April 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I’d rather this thread focuses on the event, and lets leave related issues such as who did it, implications for security issues, until such things are clear.

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  90. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Zapper, why are you not so upset when Obama’s Drones kills a few civilians and kids ?

    Please explain…. ?

    I love you arm chair warrior types: Bomb Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan, Syria… yet a couple of small explosions in the West and you suddenly think war is horrible and pretend to be concerned about your fellow man.

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  91. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Google has set up a Person Finder for those looking for info on a loved one, or who have info on anyone.

    http://google.org/personfinder/2013-boston-explosions

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  92. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Pete George, yes I did miss that.

    I will shut up now. My point is made anyway, at least to those who are willing to think.

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  93. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Gee thanks, for the repost Felch. Arsehole.

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  94. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Kea –

    What you’re saying is correct, but now is really not the time for all that dude.

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  95. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Taylor said she noticed more of a military presence when the race with 27,000 runners started.

    “We noticed that they had military upon the buildings watching,” Taylor said. “I wonder if they had had some…that was kind of peculiar to me. That’s kind of weird to have military people up there with binoculars before a running event at the start.

    “It just didn’t look normal. It just didn’t look normal.”

    http://blog.al.com/breaking/2013/04/boston_marathon_explosions_hun.html

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  96. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    6:41 pm ET: ABC News has revised its estimate of the number of people  injured in the Boston Marathon bombing incident  to at least 99 people.

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  97. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    RRM, I did not expect my comments to be well recieved. However, I do think now is the time. I am just as upset by the daily deaths of Muslim people and US servicemen around the world. These bullshit wars have to stop. Now is a great time to stop and think about the real human cost. I am not trying to be an insensitive arsehole. I am deeply upset by this stuff, same as everyone else. But sentimentality is not my response.

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  98. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    kea, I’m glad you have realised the idiocy of your comments. I have no idea why you think I don’t care about death and suffering everywhere, I’m pretty sure I’ve never said any such thing.

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  99. Harriet (4,970 comments) says:

    “….I will shut up now. My point is made anyway, at least to those who are willing to think….”

    If Dubbya was still president….it would all be America’s fault.

    And the same ones here who are telling you to shut up Kea….would be the loudest at rubbishing….GW…US…West….God…Key….white babies…..but oblahma can do no wrong…he’s a minority.

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  100. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Apparently they asked for it, because the Afghans invaded the USA, ………. oh wait ! The Taliban never attacked anyone outside their tribal borders. That was a Saudi guy (a US ally)

    That’s not my point. My point is that I find it objectionable that ordinary people at family events get killed because people can’t agree about minor issues of politics or religion.

    A place to stay
    Enough to eat
    Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street
    Where you can speak out loud
    About your doubts and fears
    And what’s more no-one ever disappears
    You never hear their standard issue kicking in your door.
    You can relax on both sides of the tracks
    And maniacs don’t blow holes in bandsmen by remote control
    And everyone has recourse to the law
    And no-one kills the children anymore.

    Roger Waters

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  101. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Harriet, that is incorrect. If GW was president, I would have far more confidence in an appropriate response to protect US citizens.

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  102. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    So Harriet
    If I don’t agree with you I am rubbishing God?

    Epic logic fail

    Stick to real issues please. Like is it or is it not o.k. to murder people on a fun run.

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  103. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    That’s not my point. My point is that I find it objectionable that ordinary people at family events get killed because people can’t agree about minor issues of politics or religion.

    Tom, I find that objectionable too. Only difference for me is, I object to Afghan goat herders and American office workers dying.

    If this is an external attack, I am very concerned what will follow. I suspect the US will do what it has always done while expecting a different result.

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  104. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I object to Afghan goat herders and American office workers dying.

    Who doesn’t?

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  105. Fentex (974 comments) says:

    This is most likely an entirely internal U.S incident.

    It’s Patriots Day in Massachusetts, it’s Tax Day in the U.S – the deadline for filing taxes, Boston was the site for the famous Boston Tea Party that instigated the U.S Revolution.

    Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on their Patriots Day, April 19th.

    I think the odds are pretty good this was angry U.S citizens differing in lunacy to the frothing fools who spout unending nonsense about being oppressed only in that they followed up words with a willingness to kill.

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  106. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Dartmouth Street
    A third bomb was found on the other side of the finish line, near Dartmouth Street. It was dismantled by authorities. At least one more device was found and dismantled.

    http://b.globe.com/XD7mJD

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  107. rangitoto (247 comments) says:

    @Kea. There is a difference in intent. I would hope the US military are not intending to target innocent civilians – at least they claim not to be. These sorts of bombers however whether internal loony or external anti-american are deliberately intending to maim or kill civilians. Still I don’t agree with the US tactics.

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  108. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Something like this in Boston hits home more because most of us here in New Zealand:
    – are far more likely to visit Boston
    – are far more likely to know people who were running at Boston
    – almost all of us will know of people who were running at Boston
    …than some of the other places being mentioned.

    And many of us get involved in major sporting events, both in New Zealand and overseas.

    I’ve traveled in US planes, I’ve visited the WTC site, I’ve seen armed guards at airports and stations in the US. It’s natural to identify more with what you are familiar, and feel more for the victims knowing some could be people you are familiar with.

    This doesn’t detract from other other atrocities. It is tragic whenever innocent people are caught up in acts of terrorism and war, but none of us can give equal disapproval of everything that ever happens.

    What has happened today is tragic for Boston and tragic for sportspeople from around the world. No other event diminishes that.

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  109. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    Further up the page i posted this “I would like to see a similar post by Farrar every time an american weapon kills innocent people. Just for consistency and credibility like.”

    And now it has 9 thunbs down votes and only 2 thumbs up votes.

    Does anyone know why people wouldn’t like to see a similar post every time an american weapon killed innocent people?

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  110. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    rangitoto, yes there is a difference in intent and the US does not target civilians. But it makes no difference to the dead and their families. It could be argued that if the terrorists had access to the same weapons and technology, as their tormentors, they may have targeted drone strikes and smart bombs too, instead of bombs in the street. (Then we call them an army) None of this makes any difference to the dead and those who suffer. It is all war and it is horrific.

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  111. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (423) Says:

    April 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    I object to Afghan goat herders and American office workers dying.

    Who doesn’t ?

    —————————————–

    Every day on KB I see people wanting to kill and maim thousands, or even millions, for the crime of having been born in a strict Muslim country or an oppressive communits regime. They seem to get their view of war and conflict from Hollywood.

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  112. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    vto – more appropriate to move that discussion to General Debate.

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  113. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @vto

    I think people are reacting to your method of delivery as to the underlying point that we don’t see anything like the coverage for the bombs and deaths that occur pretty much every week if it occurs in places east. If you bothered to make the point without a nasty dig then you might have received a better treatment.

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  114. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    Does seem most likely that this was domestic terrorism. Big picture: 40 people a day murdered in the US, this is 2 more. But TV news and print media will be unwatchable for next week as vulture journalism slavers over every last minute scrap of meat from those two corpses.

    I too get annoyed by the way that anything out of the ordinary that occurs in the US gets magnified and reported to an extreme degree – but 5000 brown people dying somewhere that 95% of americans can’t identify on a map is unimportant/irrelevant. I distinctly remember reading a page 5 or 6 story some years ago about how 10000 members of some tribal group in africa had been massacred – but it only rated about 1 column inch.

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  115. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    Does anyone know why people wouldn’t like to see a similar post every time an american weapon killed innocent people?

    I’m guessing it’s because they know that the US aren’t actively trying to kill innocent people by randomly bombing market places and sporting events?

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  116. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Does anyone know why people wouldn’t like to see a similar post every time an american weapon killed innocent people?

    They won’t thank you for reminding them of reality. They want a thread wallowing in sentimentality and clichés of concern, all while giving implied electoral consent for the killing of thousands of innocents to continue around the globe.

    No wonder these things happen. It is chilling how little we learn from history.

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  117. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    Just checked CNN – still saying 2 dead but now saying 150 injured – fair number of amputations as bomb was low to the ground and took out legs

    Devices appear crude and relatively amateurish

    They seem to be moving towards an internal terrorist as opposed to any organised terrorist organisation.

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  118. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “in the West and you suddenly think war is horrible and pretend to be concerned about your fellow man.”

    dam right. always concerned about people that look like me and share my values.

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  119. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Just checked CNN – still saying 2 dead but now saying 150 injured – fair number of amputations as bomb was low to the ground and took out legs”

    jesus.

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  120. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    IRA apologist, supporter of NORAID and all purpose hypocrite Republican Peter King commenting on the Boston bombing – oh the ironing- and the treachery.

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  121. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    “Just checked CNN – still saying 2 dead but now saying 150 injured – fair number of amputations as bomb was low to the ground and took out legs”

    Yep, they were saying the bombs were packed with ball bearings

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  122. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    I don’t think it’s an American (even though the loons here would like it to be)

    A patriot would not attack Boston as it is too symbolically significant to patriots.
    The marathon is not a “Federal” target (like the Mrrah building was)
    Two explosions,a tactic for max civilian casualties rather than a symbolic attack on a govt target.

    My money is still on the religion of peace or N Korean.

    There’s been a bit of trouble at Gitmo recently (not a big story as the MSM don’t want to draw attention to the fact that the Messiah despite his promise to close it is still running the place)

    Could be related to that.

    Talking of the media ,how long will it be before the media start blaming the Boston authorities for failing to protect?
    Obama won’t be blamed but if Bush had been in office it would of course be his fault.

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  123. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    There was a New Zealand flag flying by one of the explosions:

    https://twitter.com/ChrisChang_nz/status/323947194187141120/photo/1

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  124. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/bos041513/s_b08_53227478.jpg

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?52207-Ball-Bearing-IED-vs-M1114

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  125. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    dime: “dam right. always concerned about people that look like me and share my values.”

    as had always been imagined. there is no hope.

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  126. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Kowtow –

    Bush Jr’s whole electioneering thing was that he was a wartime president defending the U.S. people.
    That’s how he justified / got away with taxing and spending like a Democrat.
    That’s possibly also why people would hold any & all defense failings against him?

    North Korea is 1984, they are all about reassurring their domestic population of the might of their huge conventional army and their nuclear missiles. “We will unleash thermonuclear war on the USA..” etc etc. Terrorist bombs in trash cans in Boston doesn’t seem like it goes with their script?

    People who oppose Gitmo are all about peace and love and all mankind united holding hands – can’t see them doing something like this.

    Muslim terrorists, maybe? After 9/11 I kinda expect bigger worse things from them though.

    My money’s on some survivalist “I hate people” or “I hate the gubermint” nutter in the mould of Timothy McVeigh.

    Although possibly with some Westboro Baptist / Branch Davidian style religious brimstone in there also… those people don’t mind a bit of death if the cause is right.

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  127. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    My money is still on the religion of peace or N Korean.

    Caught the end of a CNN talking head saying the size and the use of a low grade explosive points to an amateur.

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  128. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    People who oppose Gitmo are all about peace and love and all mankind united holding hands – can’t see them doing something like this.

    Hmm, I dunno.
    Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and the Weathermen who domestically bombed the U.S in the 1970s were supposedly all about peace and stopping the war in Vietnam. That didn’t stop them blowing things up.

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  129. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    correct vto, you are beyond hope. the only time we see you here is when something like this happens. we know you love it. you hate the yanks. you get to have a swipe at their country. youre probably nude and covered in peanut butter while you read this.

    KEA – Dime has great sympathy for the poor buggas in north korea. i do wonder if as dpf suggests, maybe a quick air campaign that decapittates the regime and forces change is worth the cost.

    also, youre a dumb fuck. i think if you were raised in palestine youd be one of the guys with c4 strapped to your body.

    you cant seem to tell the difference between a terrorist targeting civilians and collateral damage/ unintended victims of a military strike. but go on, point me to dirka dirka dirka . com and how the yanks target children everyday blah blah

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  130. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    dime

    A Palestinian Arab serving in the US military shot up Fort Hood in 2009. 12 killed.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/02/fort-hood-hero-says-obama-betrayed-her-and-other-victims.html

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  131. Harriet (4,970 comments) says:

    They wanted news cameras present.

    Home made ied.

    Killed the US general public.[It's not a 'survivalist type' as they nearly always aim to kill government workers in the name of defending the freedom of US citizens.]
    .
    A male Muslim or 2 acting on their own done it.

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  132. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    also, youre a dumb fuck. i think if you were raised in palestine youd be one of the guys with c4 strapped to your body.

    you cant seem to tell the difference between a terrorist targeting civilians and collateral damage/ unintended victims of a military strike

    So your ok with having your family blown into shreds of steaming meat and your home and town destroyed, just so long as they are not the intended target ? (like the 14,000 + civilians in Afghanistan)

    A simple yes or no will do ….

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  133. Fentex (974 comments) says:

    A patriot would not attack Boston as it is too symbolically significant to patriots

    I think you misunderstand the thinking of possible domestic sources of such acts.

    Massachusetts is a very ‘liberal’ U.S state and people who feel oppressed by government there are likely to imagine attacking Boston, a place of importance in U.S history and mythology, is likely to feel like attacking the corruption that has soured what they believe their country should be.

    I would hope the US military are not intending to target innocent civilians

    You can hope that all you like, but they do attack with deliberation knowing they will kill innocents. In the ‘Shock and Awe’ campaign of the conquest of Iraq U.S analysts predicted 10,000 civilian casualties and were happy to report merely 8,000 killed on conclusion.

    U.S drones have deployed tactics of returning to attack again where they were a few minutes ago, expressly to kill those aiding who they first struck. This will always, near any kind of habitation, involve attacking humanitarians rendering aid.

    Bradley Manning is jailed for, among other things, releasing video of U.S troops killing bystanders rushing to provide aid to people they’ve found injured. So while any particular incident may or may not involve individuals choosing to attack civilians U.S policy inevitably involves it.

    The U.S has, and continues to, provide plenty of Casus Belli to attack it.

    But the odds are this has nothing to do with the bombs in Boston this morning. The timing, placement and design of those are all consistent with past and likely future domestic assualts and while one assumes foreign attackers would be happy for success there’s no particular reason for any foreign attack to fit the currently known facts of this one.

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  134. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    RRM

    I wasn’t suggesting peaceniks did it cos of gitmo! Arabs as payback!

    And the N Koreans do blow things up
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangoon_bombing

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  135. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea (3,279) 12:14 pm

    They want a thread wallowing in sentimentality and clichés of concern

    ‘Kea’- there’s a time and a place my friend. And this is neither the time, nor the place.

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  136. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Kea
    I thought you agreed earlier to stop talking shit and stick to the topic?

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  137. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Boston police – “There is no suspect at Brigham and Young’s Hospital.”

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  138. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    kea – if NZ acts like a shit head for years, picks a fight with a super power, lets terrorists hang out here.. i guess ill have to take whats coming :)

    or move country.

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  139. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    A Palestinian Arab serving in the US military shot up Fort Hood in 2009. 12 killed.

    West invades – lots killed.

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  140. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Infowars loon asks stupid question.

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  141. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    *** I think this highly likely to be the work of internal terrorists as opposed to Muslim extremists.***

    Is it possible to bet on this?

    “A man identified by police as a Saudi Arabian national is being held in hospital as a suspect in the bombings that shook Boston during its annual marathon. The suspect is reportedly badly injured.

    Two blasts took place near the finish line of the marathon and reports have two people dying as a result of those blasts, with some 50 others being injured.

    The man being held in the hospital was caught on videotape, sources said, carrying multiple back-packs. It was unclear if the man, said to be 20, was injured in the blasts or while being captured.

    He is reported to be cooperative and denies involvement.”

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/348041

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  142. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    I watched the press conference and the Boston PD spokesman said – “There is no suspect at Brigham and Young’s Hospital.”

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  143. unsol (6 comments) says:

    To those who are speculating & people like Kea who are bringing up how much harm the US does to others – don’t. Have some respect. This is an awful – this kind of thing should not be happening anywhere to anyone at any time.

    Cruelty & violence in the name of ones beliefs or politics is never OK.

    Regardless of the whys & wherefores, this incident has affected thousands of people & worse, badly injured & killed people – one of whom is a child.

    No parent should ever have to bury their child, but to lose someone that is more precious to you than anything else in such traumatic circumstances must be hell on earth.

    My heart goes out to the families, but as a parent of a young child, to the family of that 8 year old boy & the families whose young children were injured, the most.

    It breaks my heart.

    So have some respect for the sheer enormity of the shock & grief many will be feeling – your words on here will last for eternity & this not the time or place to start getting up on your pulpit & pointing fingers.

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  144. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Same foreknowledge/exercises as Sandy Hook, 9/11 NY, and 7/7 London.

    https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/323886829596205056

    BREAKING NEWS: Police will have controlled explosion on 600 block on Boylston Street
    12:53 PM – 15 Apr 13

    http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/3-killed-dozens-injured-in-blasts-near-Boston-Marathon-finish-line/-/11971628/19757044/-/goylsfz/-/index.html

    The blasts happened about 15 seconds apart at 2:50 p.m. near the intersection of Boylston and Exeter streets.

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  145. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    As a Bostonian born and raised I find this whole thing surreal. My parents still live there and nearly went to the marathon today, as they have many times in the past. Last time they went they stood nearly exactly where the bombs went off today. Thankfully it doesn’t seem any of my friends were involved, though I know some were in the marathon.

    Patriot’s Day is the ultimate Boston holiday and it to see it defiled in this way is sickening.

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  146. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    A guy with multiple backpacks could just be waiting for a couple of mates to finish the race.
    Boston marathon has 20,000 runners and half a million spectators. Popular race.

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  147. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Video of the second blast around 100 metres from the first.

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  148. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    And yesterday there was this.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57579632/calif-man-killed-in-house-explosion-bombs-found-in-home/

    edit:

    The loons have a history of doing this sort of shit.

    http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

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  149. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    After reading more of the thread…..

    Ironic that a thread about a terrorist attack itself suffers a thread hi-jacking by some clueless socially retarded noddy imbecile from 10:56am onwards.

    What kind of moron readily acknowledges that they know they should shut the fuck up and yet they’re sooooo fuckin fanatical and far gone about pushing their barrow that they can’t for the life of them help themselves from *continuing to fuckin do it*!!

    woof woof- the message is…. barking up the wrong tree brother- try another fucking tree dipshit.

    I’d rather this thread focuses on the event, and lets leave related issues such as who did it, implications for security issues, until such things are clear.

    English comprehension not your strong suit fella? Holy sweet fuckin moses hint hint hint motherfucker!! Really!? Make yourself a strong Milo and have a biscuit or something… fuck sake.

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  150. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    A terrible shocking event, & my sympathies for the victims, their families & the city of Boston.
    But I’m over it already or should I say I’m over the over top media coverage, is it too much to ask for just the facts? I know the event is unfolding in real time, but the endless replays, the conjecture, the unsubstantiated reports is not NEWS it’s more like bad reality TV.

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  151. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre, anything you found factually incorrect in my posts ?

    Dont like a sniff of your own shit I suspect, like most of the hypocrites and cowards infesting this thread with their fake grief, which is really just put-on to provide justification for bombing innocent Muslims.

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  152. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Given this terrible event, I would have thought my posts condeming the bombing of [all] civilians would have been more popular. Seems I misread that !

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  153. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Kea, I self-identify with western civilisation. Iff (that’s if and only if) this was an attack by Islam extremists then I consider this was also directed at me. It’s that simple.

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  154. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    edhunter – what happens is the media just get cranked up and into wall to wall coverage and then find they don’t have a lot of new material to keep feeding their frenzy.

    With most events like this, after the initial onslaught of information, it takes a day or more to get a clear picture of the details.

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  155. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    I’ve watched all kinds of videos of this bombing from several different angles (thanks to the digital information age) and I don’t think it will turn out to be Muslims. The followers of the prophet (may he boil in hell) tend to go for larger stuff. Their bombs take whole buildings with them, whereas these two explosions were not able to blow down even the spectator barricades.

    I am NOT downplaying this outrage. The hideous killing and maiming must have been horrifying and apart from the 3(?) dead, there will be people who have lost limbs and will suffer for the rest of their lives…. but, in such a packed event, the actual casualties seem few in number relative to what one would expect is possible. Poor bastards. I hope they catch the asshole responsible for this – but I’ll be surprised if its our ragheaded friends this time.

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  156. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “Given this terrible event, I would have thought my posts condeming the bombing of [all] civilians would have been more popular. Seems I misread that !”

    Probably because your a morally retarded sicko.

    The USA invaded Afghanistan because that was where the primary al-Qaeda training bases were. They were there because the Taliban allowed them to be, and in fact welcomed al-Qaeda and considered them allies. By doing so they were morally culpable in any attacks al-Qaeda carried out, including 911. By any standard of law, those who give support to those who commit crimes are considered accomplices in those crimes.

    Moreover your point is predicated on a false moral equivalence between terrorist attacks which deliberately and specifically target civilians, and casualties in battle in which civilians die as a result of attempts to apprehend or kill terrorists. They are not the same, except in the feeble minds of dumbass anti-Americans.

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  157. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    It is far too soon to speculate on who did this. It is also the wrong time and place for the usual anti-American retards to spout their ignorant hatred and factually challenged propaganda.

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  158. unsol (6 comments) says:

    Rightnow said

    Kea, I self-identify with western civilisation. Iff (that’s if and only if) this was an attack by Islam extremists then I consider this was also directed at me. It’s that simple.

    Well I consider myself to be an empathetic human being & parent. I take any violent attacks against any innocent civilians as a personal attack on me.

    I find it abhorrent, shameful & immoral that anyone thinks it is OK to maim & kill others for the sake of a cause – whether religious or political.

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  159. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Very good unsol, I agree

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  160. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    They were there because the Taliban allowed them to be

    A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night.
    For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan’s military leadership said.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/17/afghanistan.terrorism11

    except in the feeble minds of dumbass anti-Americans

    Such irony.

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  161. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    To clarify: I agree with this bit

    I find it abhorrent, shameful & immoral that anyone thinks it is OK to maim & kill others for the sake of a cause – whether religious or political.

    But I don’t take everything that happens in the world personally.

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  162. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    RightNow, you do get that I am opposed to all such attacks ?

    Of course I identify more with Western culture myself. But the military activities of the West are endangering that culture. Americans are less safe (clearly) than before the “war on terror”. It helps to drop the ideology and be pragmatic.

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  163. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    UglyTruth,

    The Left Wing British media is fond of making that claim, but have failed to provide any real evidence that it is true. It is thus speculation at best, and given the source (the Guardian) highly suspect.

    Do you have any factual evidence to back the claim up?

    Yes? No?

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  164. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Yes Kea, I get that. The world is a fucked up place.

    Wasn’t 9/11 before the ‘war on terror’? I don’t think anyone can say America has been a safe place for a very very long time (if ever). And that’s aside from terrorist attacks.

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  165. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “But the military activities of the West are endangering that culture.”

    Not really. What endangers Western civilization is the cultural Marxism of Western Liberal elites, massive non-Western immigration, and the ideology of multiculturalism.

    “Americans are less safe (clearly) than before the “war on terror”.”

    Evidence????

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  166. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    LeeO1, “Evidence” your kidding right ?

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  167. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Vile terrorists rejoice: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/jordan-extremist-praises-boston-bombing

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  168. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    It seems like a fair question Kea. Are we to assess the claim of “less safe” based on number of deaths? If not, how?
    I understand there’s over 10,000 Americans killed each year by other Americans, are we including or excluding those deaths?
    I also understand their murder rate has been decreasing, so perhaps they’re actually more safe now (if we’re including those figures).

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  169. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Thanks Manolo. Here’s another:

    Vile Christian bigots rejoice: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130415/westboro-baptist-church-threatens-to-picket-boston-marathon-funerals

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  170. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Thanks TheContrarian. Both are horrible, vile groups of demented haters.

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  171. Mobile Michael (451 comments) says:

    I think its more likely that thebombers are American – they’ve attacked on the Patriot Day holiday (which commemorates the first battles of the civil war) in a part of the US known for its liberal views. Plus the US make it next to impossible for anyone from the mid east to get in. Think Timothy McVeigh type attacik.

    Islamic terrorists also prefer to make their attacks larger and with a suicide bomber detonating the device to ensure maximum mayhem.

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  172. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @Manolo

    indeed they are

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  173. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    The bigots will be awfully disappointed that ABC News White House correspondent Jon Karl has reported:

    The “person of interest” at the hospital? Sources tell ABC he’s a Saudi national on a student visa and his record has checked out clean

    https://twitter.com/jonkarl/statuses/324001909075738624

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  174. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    A Stratfor analysis explaining the greater threat from Islamist/jihad terrorists in Europe or from Europe travelling on European passports than in the USA.

    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/acute-jihadist-threat-europe?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130404&utm_term=sweekly&utm_content=readmore&elq=ebfcac5a5d4d406a9677b276145b745c

    The alternative to a domestic action is one where Europeans fly into Canada and cross the border undetected.

    Patriot Day is also connected the terminology of the Patriot Act (post 9/11 development) and remembrance to resistance to imperial over-rule.

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  175. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    mobile michael

    tell the relatives of the dead and injured that that outrage did not cause “maximum mayhem ” as you put it.

    They don’t always use suicide bombers .But they do use ball bearings,and ball bearings are involved here.

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  176. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    A University coach saying that there were bomb-sniffing dogs at the start and finish line of the race before any explosions went off, which was out of the ordinary, but people were told it was just an exercise?

    University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.
     
    “They kept making announcements to the participants do not worry, it’s just a training exercise,” Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15.

    Stevenson said he saw law enforcement spotters on the roofs at the start of the race. He’s been in plenty of marathons in Chicago, D.C., Chicago, London and other major metropolitan areas but has never seen that level of security before.
     
    “Evidently, I don’t believe they were just having a training exercise,” Stevenson said. “I think they must have had some sort of threat or suspicion called in.”

    http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

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  177. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    ***The bigots will be awfully disappointed that ABC News White House correspondent Jon Karl has reported:***

    @ Cha,

    I think you’re confusing bigotry with Bayesian inference.

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  178. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The Left Wing British media is fond of making that claim, but have failed to provide any real evidence that it is true. It is thus speculation at best, and given the source (the Guardian) highly suspect.

    Do you have any factual evidence to back the claim up?

    @Lee01
    Yes, I do have evidence. How much evidence would it take to convince a rational man?

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  179. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Nah, just the usual arseholes Bob.

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  180. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    I understand there’s over 10,000 Americans killed each year by other Americans,

    RightNow, following your logic we should launch drone strikes against America.

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  181. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “RightNow, following your logic we should launch drone strikes against America.”

    Following my logic? Where did I advocate for drone strikes, or anything similar?

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  182. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    RightNow, what part of “no bombing civilians” ( even “collateral” ones) confused you?

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  183. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    “The bigots will be awfully disappointed that ABC News White House correspondent Jon Karl has reported:

    The “person of interest” at the hospital? Sources tell ABC he’s a Saudi national on a student visa and his record has checked out clean

    https://twitter.com/jonkarl/statuses/324001909075738624

    Yeah, it’s not like Muslims have ever conducted terrorist attacks on US soil before or anything, only a bigot could think Al Qaeda could possibly be behind this. You idiot.

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  184. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Aredhel777, I am sure the terrorists would trade a few random attacks for the occupying forces, bombs, drones and tens of thousands dead, that they currently have.

    The term “terrorist”, now days, is really just a metaphor for a dirt poor and badly equipped person opposing American aggression.

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  185. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    You sound like Hone Harawira, Kea. Bin Laden fought for the liberation of his whanau and his iwi, did he? As long as a terrorist attack is directed against the Americans it’s all good with you.

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  186. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Iraq war 10 years on: at least 116,000 civilians killed
    The war in Iraq claimed more than 116,000 civilian lives in the space of eight years and cost the US about £530 billion, according to new research.

    Their crime ? Being born into a dictatorship set up with US help. I make no apology for not joining in the circle wank of fake grief over 3 dead civilians in the US !

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9932214/Iraq-war-10-years-on-at-least-116000-civilians-killed.html

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  187. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    What an appalling thing to say in the wake of a tragedy like this. Save your posturing for another time.

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  188. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Yeah, it’s not like Muslims have ever conducted terrorist attacks on US soil before or anything, only a bigot could think Al Qaeda could possibly be behind this. You idiot.

    Wasn’t directed at you fool.
    .
    BTW idiot, learn some basic html

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  189. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Aredhel777, If you find being confronted with the truth “appalling” then it is you who needs to change. You and your grubby little ilk are the ones posturing with your unconvincing pantomime of outrage. All so you can justify the truly “appalling” things done in your name with your support.

    I do not find dead Afghans less upsetting that dead Americans.

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  190. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    And oddly enough most domestic US bombings were carried out by citizens.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9996669/Boston-Marathon-explosions-a-history-of-bombings-in-the-US.html

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  191. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    “You sound like Hone Harawira, Kea. Bin Laden fought for the liberation of his whanau”

    Has anyone heard from Hone or Annette Sykes? Remember Annette claims she cheered loudly when nearly three thousand innocent people died in the World Trade Centre attacks- and Hone has stated he is a big fan of Bin Laden and co…

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  192. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea (3,296) 2:05 pm

    The only fact I care about in this thread is the fact that in this thread you aren’t doing yourself any favours trying to win KB Mr. Personality 2013.

    You’ve been a right cunt top to bottom, so why don’t you fuck off out of this one mate? Save us your genius political views for another thread. Now run along….

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  193. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Yeah, it’s not like Muslims have ever conducted terrorist attacks on US soil before or anything, only a bigot could think Al Qaeda could possibly be behind this.

    Well if it was Al Qa’ida this time then let’s hope this time the US invades the country they came from, instead of some other one. But that won’t happen, will it.

    Who knows at this stage but I’m with the few above who’ve suggested a US group is more likely to be behind this found guilty of being behind this.

    All about gun control you see. Survivalist nutters must be stopped. See how dangerous it is to have all these weapons in private hands?

    At a guess, that’s what it’s about. The “person of interest” IMO may? turn out to be a misapprehension, a result of enthusiastic coppers looking for a “raghead.” Because if he IS the culprit, where does that leave one of the US’s major ME allies?

    And as Ugly Truth notes above, amazing isn’t it that just like on 9/11 and 7/7 they had an “exercise” taking place.

    Lots more to come out, no doubt, as this winds its way into the psyche of the traumatised public.

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  194. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    You sound like Hone Harawira, Kea. Bin Laden fought for the liberation of his whanau and his iwi, did he? As long as a terrorist attack is directed against the Americans it’s all good with you.

    What a disturbing little man ! Ignorant too. I have made it clear, to those who read at an adult level, that I am against bombing civilians. (Even “sand niggers”)

    Bin Laden came from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq and not Afghanistan. Now ask a grown up to check what the US did post 911. They attacked Afghanistan, flying missions from Saudi airfields ! SA is an American ally, the worlds biggest financier of radical Islam, home of Bin Laden, yet they attacked the Central Asian country of Afghanistan. Idiot.

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  195. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    RightNow, what part of “no bombing civilians” ( even “collateral” ones) confused you?

    I admit I’m confused you put it in quotes, unless the quotes in this case mean you’re paraphrasing, because that isn’t actually a quote from anything anyone previously said on this page.

    That aside, this is quite absurd:

    I understand there’s over 10,000 Americans killed each year by other Americans,

    RightNow, following your logic we should launch drone strikes against America.

    You’re claiming my logic says that because Americans kill a lot of each other, we should kill some too?

    Just as well I didn’t mention anything about Muslims killing each other then.

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  196. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Obama will sort it….a simple law banning explosives should do the trick.

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  197. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    “Well if it was Al Qa’ida this time then let’s hope this time the US invades the country they came from, instead of some other one. But that won’t happen, will it.”

    I dunno Reid, depends on the oil.

    LRC, fuck you.

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  198. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Reading the thread, people looking at this event seem to fall into two camps. Those who look at the event itself and those who speculate about its wider meaning in the geopolitical context.

    Let’s recognise BOTH sets of people acknowledge the fact people have died, more will die, many have been maimed for life.

    No man is an island.

    That’s the very tragic and real side of this which burns this into our consciousness more than say, the gold crash story which has been covered over by this event.

    Because we’re talking about real people. And no man, is an island.

    However.

    Let’s also not forget that geopolitics as conducted in the real world, is conducted by people with no scruples, no morals, no conscience. The planners don’t care, they have no regard for lives, a few, a thousand, a million. They don’t. If you want to analyse geopolitics, that’s the mindset you need to have. If you want to analyse the tragedy, which we all acknowledge, then don’t even bother factoring in geopolitics, because you can’t calculate it, when you’re all emotional. The two don’t mix.

    And with that mindset, the question becomes not about the people but about the ramifications of this on both domestic US politics and its foreign policy.

    It seems to me that’s what Kea’s been focusing on. He’s got shit from others because they’ve assumed he’s ignoring the human element. I don’t think he has, for a minute.

    Rather I think, he’s just assumed that it’s a given, it was, it is, a tragedy, but what is the meaning.

    That’s how I think Kea’s comments should be viewed.

    Obama will sort it….a simple law banning explosives should do the trick.

    I assume you mean: except for DHS, nasska.

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  199. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Sadly, that’s just the way I see it Reid….I mean the DHS might really desperately need gelignite to save America.

    Yeah right!

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  200. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Kea, Afghanistan was targeted for regime change because the then Taleban government hosted al Qaeda.

    As to the geo politics of the moment, al Qaeda in Syria and Iraq are forming connections and the Syrian regime is coming under increasing pressure. The Syrians have sponsored Palestinian groups and there is a longstanding Palestinian refugee community in Canada to host visitors from Europe.

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  201. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    I’m with Reid. It was definitely George Bush. Watch the videos closely and you can see him running from the blast. WE’RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS PEOPLE.

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  202. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    reid @7.24 – that kind of requires the presumption that it was Muslim terrorists responsible. Kea’s comments certainly seem to be predicated on that presumption.

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  203. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    It seems to me that’s what Kea’s been focusing on. He’s got shit from others because they’ve assumed he’s ignoring the human element. I don’t think he has, for a minute.

    Reid your right. But it is pretty fucking obvious that I do care, and not just about “white folk” either.

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  204. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Sadly, that’s just the way I see it Reid….I mean the DHS might really desperately need gelignite to save America.

    Well Homer Simpson said the 4th of July was all about celebrating your country by blowing up a little bit of it.

    But luckily the DHS already bought IIRC over 100 million rounds of full metal jacket, so nothing’s going on there, is it.

    I suggest it’s too early to speculate because we don’t have enough facts.

    But be skeptical, be very very very skeptical about how the US MSM plays this and look for the agenda behind the themes they push. That will tell you what the real reason for this has been. And even then it won’t be obvious because they’ll be playing a double-blind – the obvious “conclusion behind the occlusion” won’t be the real conclusion.

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  205. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    RightNow (5,166) Says:
    April 16th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    reid @7.24 – that kind of requires the presumption that it was Muslim terrorists responsible. Kea’s comments certainly seem to be predicated on that presumption.

    I actually think it may not be Muslim terrorists, I have no firm view on that. So I can not join the others in advising we “Nuke” the Afghan people !

    The Taliban will be shitting themselves in case it is another Saudi Arabian national who did it (like last time). America can not attack its very close mate Saudi Arabia (its an oil thing) so will instead kill some more Afghans. The Taliban know this well.

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  206. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Well that just makes your comments this morning seem rabid Kea.

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  207. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    reid @7.24 – that kind of requires the presumption that it was Muslim terrorists responsible. Kea’s comments certainly seem to be predicated on that presumption.

    Depends on how black and white your world is RN.

    Personally, while I’m guessing, I’m not betting on Muslim terrorists. As others have said, this is not their style. Not for a US domestic attack in 2013. It might have been in the 1970’s, but not now. This just smacks of opportunistic amateurism. Ergo my money, and I’m probably wrong, is on the survivalist nutters, who can’t be permitted to own guns, because they’re all mental.

    And guess whose hand that plays into.

    I’m with Reid. It was definitely George Bush. Watch the videos closely and you can see him running from the blast. WE’RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS PEOPLE.

    zapper isn’t it a pity some people can’t see things not because they’re not there but because they refuse to believe they’re possible so they never even look to examine whether or not they are.

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  208. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    reid, I was specifically referring to your analysis of Kea. Sorry for not being more precise.

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  209. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    RightNow (5,169) Says:
    April 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    Well that just makes your comments this morning seem rabid Kea.

    There was nothing rabid in my comments and I stuck to facts. Uncomfortable facts, but facts none the less.

    I really do not seek the approval of the two faced gutless cowards who cry crocodile tears over 3 dead yanks and dismiss the deaths of over hundred thousand innocents as “collateral damage” and tough luck. The less that kind of person likes me the better I feel. I do not come to KB to post insipid comments designed to appeal to the popular sentiment of morons devoid of integrity.

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  210. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea (3,304) 7:01 pm

    LRC, fuck you.

    Have you ever considered a career in the literary arts?

    You’ve spoofed spastic all over this poor thread. What’s this thread ever done to you pal?

    Fuck you seem like a sad depressing bloke. The grief I feel for you is very real my friend…. are you sitting there with your little brain boiling away like a kettle that can’t click off… grrr…. who cares about a few dead Americans… grrr circle wank grief thread… it’s so wrong… what about Obamas fuckin drones… hahaha…. too funny…

    Circle wank of fake grief… come on, really? Really?? Talk about how to win friends and influence people. Dime as usual… great little comment about the C4… Dime… right on the money.. haha… if only he were a Dime a Dozen… what a better place this would be.

    Do you have any criminal convictions for violence mate? Like… seriously.. how badarse are you?

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  211. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Poor old LRC is lashing out in all directions, with an endearingly unselfconscious melt down. Totally unable to address any of the points I have raised, he can only make banal personal attacks.

    Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed by US forces. I am not overcome with grief by 3 more. But please do carry on with your little show of appealing to the popular.

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  212. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea (3,308) 8:34 pm Ah yeah… all directions. One direction… like the boy band. No-one gives a fuck about your points on this particular thread- or the sentiment of your comments- that is the **POINT** genius!!

    This thread was not created to address any of your points. How are you not getting it?

    Does the thread say ‘Here’s a thread for you to address all of Kea’s bullshit thoughts about why he doesn’t care about some dead Americans’.

    Does it say that anywhere? Talking of adult reading levels…. do you meet that definition? Of either ‘adult‘ or fucking ‘reading levels‘??

    Keep going Kea… I love seeing what kind of a giant twat you are. What’s next? I can’t fucking wait.

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  213. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    LRC, you can help out by pointing to the “bullshit” parts ?

    I would have shut up long ago, if not for brain washed sheeple parroting propaganda to me. I would expect people on KB to be better informed. There is no excuse for it.

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  214. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Kea (3,311) 8:49 pm

    It’s not getting through to you mate…. unfortunately for you… from your perspective— this is clearly not the thread for you.

    All I can say to you is- is that a lot of the things you say in your comments… are just the wrong things to be saying on this thread. Not the viewpoints… viewpoints are viewpoints… but the way you talk about dead victims…. that’s not a good look… that’s no good for this thread mate. The bad part is that you can’t see that. I’m not shocked by the comments… I’m no perfect angel either… but I know that this isn’t the particular place to display your attitude towards the event.

    But do whatever the fuck you want mate- hasn’t stopped you so far eh?

    Would you put milk on your cold fish and chips and have it for breakfast like that?? You’re being the milk.

    You’ve got it right- it’s a circle of grief wankfest. That’s exactly what it is. So if you know what it is- why bother? Don’t want to join in? Then why ruin it for everyone else? Did you stop to think that calling it a circle wanking competition might be offensive? No… of course not. Does it offend me personally? No- but it makes me feel sorry for a person who doesn’t have the social skills to realise that it’s out of place in this space. Booyah!!

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  215. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    LRC, I did think twice about it, but decided to confront things head on. I stand by that and my reasons are genuine, if not well received.

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  216. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Well, in my opinion… there’s plenty of other places that you can express your views… on this blog and elsewhere… I wouldn’t have chosen this thread.

    You decided…

    You decided… against your own better judgement…. to half-knowingly(?) show a total lack of consideration for others’ feelings on the subject and say that your particular barrow.. from your point of view… is just more important…. because you think your way of seeing the world is ‘right’ to the exclusion of everything and everyone else and their views.

    Look at me… what I think is right and important and I believe in it… therefore it takes priority over other people’s attempt to somehow make sense of another senseless action against innocent people… who’s greatest crime… and I’m obviously parroting your own script here… is being born in a country that other people… both citizens and foreigners…. don’t like.

    To push your point across, thinking that it overrides all other social norms because you say so… can you see how that’s evangelical? Full of self-importance? Can you tell that contributors in the thread don’t want someone coming in with an agenda trying to convert everyone to their way of thinking? What are you… a missionary for your cause?

    Being genuine or not is irrelevant. What does that justify? You get a speeding ticket. But I was genuinely trying to keep the speed down. Yeah? Here’s the ticket mate. It won’t wash there nor does it here for my money.

    It wasn’t your views that weren’t well received although they weren’t… you yourself were not well received.

    Here’s the bottomline bud…. if you give a fuck about other people, then you won’t dare post anything that has even the faintest remote possibility of being taken as a hard-hearted cold dehumanising comment on a sympathy thread. It’s a sympathy thread…. duh!! You said it yourself… I agreed.

    If you have no consideration for anyone else but yourself and your own views and opinions which are clearly so superior that they overshadow every other social context…. then when the next tragedy happens I’m sure you’ll continue on your merry way commenting that it’s not as bad as such and such because of blah blah really simplistic moral fucking reasoning… because you’ve got it all worked out, haven’t you mate? Your logical conclusions are so easy, aren’t they? Wow…. I mean who needs a third or fourth level of thinking anyway? One or two is enough… you can get by on that….

    It’s just the wrong place… simple as that. Wrong time and wrong place… read above… you shouldn’t need that idea expanded to an explanation the size of the universe. You can’t be this stupid… you must be having me on man.

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  217. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Kea, you don’t debate with a flock of birds who flock together and crap in unison on the same threads. I “explained” that on the thread on Clark’s UNDP re-appointment. You cannot inform or educate those who want to vent against some “right wing enemy” or, as here, show solidarity with the victim.

    Sympathy for the civilian victims of US military force at any time is enough to place provisional doubt about ones credentials as one of the real right wing … after all US civilians are not responsible for what their government does … .

    If I was running the investigation I would match Boston street camera images with those of Europeans/Moslem others travelling into Canada who had not officially crossed the border into the USA. My most devious theory is that a desperate Iran/Syria want to undermine support to the opposition by associating them with terrorism.

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  218. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    A loony Democrat expounds: http://michellemalkin.com/2013/04/16/barney-frank-boston-tax-cut/

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  219. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    after all US civilians are not responsible for what their government does

    So who is responsible?

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  220. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth, my point was the equivalence of civilian victims of violence (American or otherwise) – however if you want to argue that civilians are the boss of government and thus (collective punishment) accountable for its actions you have just fouled your common law meme fatally.

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  221. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    The incredibly perverse logic of the American Left: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

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  222. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    A Saudi has been arrested..he was at the marathon with two other Saudis..There is a photo of him with a black bag over his shoulder..He has family connections to Al Quaeda and has had relations in Gitmo. did he live at the apt in Revere St which was raided? There seemed to be about ten people living there.

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  223. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    The bigots will be awfully disappointed that ABC News White House correspondent Jon Karl has reported:

    The “person of interest” at the hospital? Sources tell ABC he’s a Saudi national on a student visa and his record has checked out clean

    https://twitter.com/jonkarl/statuses/324001909075738624

    So it turns out both terrorists are Chechnyan Muslims. Who is the bigot now?

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