Lizard people

April 17th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

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Boing Boing has done this table showing the level of belief in various in the US.

I’m unsure if 4% of Americans just have a wacky sense of humour or are seriously deranged!

The actual lizard people question was:

Do you believe that shape-shifting reptilian people control our world by taking on human form and gaining political power to manipulate our societies, or not?

Only 88% were sure this is not true. 4% said true and 7% unsure. Now I guess you can’t be absolutely certain it is untrue but … :-)

The level of belief in the vaccines conspiracy theory is alarming. By chance I am off to Parliament tonight for the launch of a public health report on vaccinations in New Zealand by Pfizer, that Curia did some of the research for.

In NZ we found that only 5% of parents think vaccines are unsafe, which is a relatively low number.

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62 Responses to “Lizard people”

  1. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    Strange that so few think fluoride is dangerous when it is – except in sufficiently low doses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity

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  2. Griff (6,967 comments) says:

    Wilky how do you score? the link between conspiracy thinking was explored by a recent series of papers

    http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/documents/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf
    NASA faked the moon landing|Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax:
    An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science

    Seems you would be a starter for five on the lizards

    http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Denial.gif

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  3. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    The lizard people line is

    1. a reptilian brain metaphor for sociopath and psychopath prevalence in politics.

    2. an American heretical Christian belief related to creationism where some people belong to the enemy.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    The issue with vaccines is not so much whether they are broadly unsafe but how to identify those individuals who may have serious adverse reactions. That is the key to making them safer.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    @Griff, That “study” just shows how totally off the rails climate science has run. Check out climateaudit on its nonsense as well as its authors’ dishonesty. As for your question, I’ve already posted on the two I read as marginal.

    To complete the picture, I don’t think global warming is a hoax but I do think climate alarmism greatly exaggerates the risks, costs and certainties – and in many cases the motives for doing so arise from human frailties rather than objective science.

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  6. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    There are so many issues with mass vaccination that it is sad to see it appear in a list with fruit loop paranoias like that..

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  7. Rightandleft (652 comments) says:

    Ugh! I had to deal with a 9/11 truther on FB last night. These people are impervious to reason.

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  8. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    Rightandleft – the only cure for your condition is to debate the moon landings and 9/11 on YouTube discussion threads for one hour a night.

    You will soon see the futility, and learn to just leave these people alone with their beliefs… :-)

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  9. TheContrarian (1,080 comments) says:

    The question about aliens is ambiguous. Aliens almost certainly do exist so would like to know what the actual conspiracy is (Area 51 et al.)

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  10. rangitoto (214 comments) says:

    The shape shifting reptilian thing is promoted by the former BBC sports presenter David Icke. From wikipedia:

    “Icke was a BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him that he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him.”

    Now we know what happens to former Green party spokesmen.

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  11. dime (9,607 comments) says:

    McCartney died in 66? lmao

    so they just found another genius who looked like him? wtf?

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  12. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So 63 % of people do NOT think AGW is a hoax.

    Wow those nutty Americans :)

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  13. TheContrarian (1,080 comments) says:

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead

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  14. Longknives (4,632 comments) says:

    Paul McCartney IS dead Dime- He died in a car accident and was replaced by a man named Billy Shears. The clues are all there on the covers of Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road…(if you smoke enough drugs)

    Goo Goo Ga Choob!

    http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/celebs/paul-is-dead/gallery.all.html

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  15. Griff (6,967 comments) says:

    Well of course McIntyre would be upset after all it does include him in the nutdom after all.

    Have you read the follow up paper on the reaction in the alternative sience universe :lol: nutters

    Conspiracist ideation has been repeatedly implicated in the rejection of scientific propositions, although empirical evidence to date has been sparse. A recent study involving visitors to climate blogs found that conspiracist ideation was associated with the rejection of climate science and the rejection of other scientific propositions such as the link between lung cancer and smoking, and between HIV and AIDS (Lewandowsky, Oberauer, & Gignac, in press; LOG12 from here on). This article analyzes the response of the climate blogosphere to the publication of LOG12. We identify and trace the hypotheses that emerged in response to LOG12 and that questioned the validity of the paper’s conclusions. Using established criteria to identify conspiracist ideation, we show that many of the hypotheses exhibited conspiratorial content and counterfactual thinking. For example, whereas hypotheses were initially narrowly focused on LOG12, some ultimately grew in scope to include actors beyond the authors of LOG12, such as university executives, a media organization, and the Australian government. The overall pattern of the blogosphere’s response to LOG12 illustrates the possible role of conspiracist ideation in the rejection of science

    McIntyre is adding to science well I never :lol:

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  16. metcalph (1,397 comments) says:

    The table is a disgrace! It does not mention the Orbital Mind Control Lasers, Cthulhu, the Order of the Rosy Dawn, Who really assassinated Admiral Darlan, the Templars, DPF’s real paymasters, Hitler being a deputy of the Bavarian Soviet, How much is really in David Shearer’s bank account and who put it there and the most terrible secret of all.. your browser history.

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  17. anonymouse (706 comments) says:

    The Poll was done by PPP [Obama lovers that they are :)]

    The full results are here

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_ConspiracyTheories_040213.pdf

    Reading through them, I think there is a fair bit of Pi$$ taking going on

    I mean, when they cross the answers with a who you voted for President, 5% of those who voted for Obama still believed he was the anti-christ, BUT if you look up the by age 19% of those 18-29 thought he was the antichrist,

    Other pearlers from the 18-29 age group, were 13% believe in lizard people and 22% believe in Big Foot,

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  18. SPC (5,472 comments) says:

    JFK was not killed by conspiracy, he was killed by gun owners.

    Disclaimer, I am in no way blaming the gun for his death or connecting guns to bombs and bombs to any conspiracy relating to gun control legislation before Congress. I am not …. .

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  19. scrubone (3,074 comments) says:

    Pretty much any semi-competent Democrat president (ie, probably not Jimmy Carter) you’ll get some of the population making a case for him/her to be the anti-christ.

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  20. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    Also why is “aliens exist” a conspiracy?

    Can’t one believe aliens exist merely from a probability exercise based on the size of the universe?

    Or is that “aliens exist” shorthand for “aliens exist in a morgue at Area 51 and the government is covering it all up”…??

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  21. RightNow (6,799 comments) says:

    I thought Reagan was meant to have been the anti-Christ. His name (originally Ronald Robert Reagan) had 6, 6, and 6 letters, plus there was some other numerology type stuff I don’t really remember.

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  22. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    @Griff, if you think McIntyre is a nutter then you have obviously departed the rational universe. Send us a postcard from the fruit farm.

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  23. TheContrarian (1,080 comments) says:

    “plus there was some other numerology type stuff I don’t really remember”

    Yeah think I can see your problem there

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  24. RightNow (6,799 comments) says:

    This:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054941988

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  25. AG (1,795 comments) says:

    @RRM,

    I wondered at that one, myself. I don’t see what the likely existence of extraterrestrial life has to do with “conspiracies” … but I do wonder (pace Fermi) where they all are! As for:

    is … “aliens exist” shorthand for “aliens exist in a morgue at Area 51 and the government is covering it all up”…??

    they ask a separate question on that (21% think it’s true!)

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  26. TheContrarian (1,080 comments) says:

    Yeah the problem is believing in numerology. I was being tongue in cheek

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  27. RightNow (6,799 comments) says:

    I figured that after a brief pause to reflect. Mind you at no time have I stated that I believe in numerology or the Reagan is the anti-Christ meme.

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  28. laworder (273 comments) says:

    How you would answer a few of these depends on your definitions of conspiracy etc

    For instance, the guy that killed JFK probably had some help somewhere along the line. Whether that amounts to a full blown conspiracy depends on your definition of same.

    As for “Global warming is a hoax” I lean more towards Alan Wilkinsons position, that it has been rather exaggerated and there is some questionable science, but then I am not an expert
    Again, with the “Aliens exist” it depends on how you frame the question as Contrarian and RRM point out. Do they exist somewhere in the Universe? Given that it is meant to be infinite, I’d have to say yes. Do they exist here? I’d would be inclined to say no.

    Most of the rest are a clear cut NO for me. Especially the last one

    Regards
    Peter J
    see http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz

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  29. Griff (6,967 comments) says:

    He is just another nutter for rubes like you to follow just like your buddy lord wackjob.
    I just linked to two papers that say McIntyre is a nutter as of course are his band of disciples that sort of makes you a fallow traveler dont you think wilky :lol: after all if a nut doctor managed to write a paper on the nutty replies to the first paper that strangely you believe is a conspiracy it sort of implicates you as well dont ya think :lol: gotta love people like you makes the world so much more fun for me to live in.

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  30. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    @Griff, I said a postcard, not a lunatic rave.

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  31. TheContrarian (1,080 comments) says:

    I do enjoy debating chemtrailers though

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  32. James Stephenson (2,078 comments) says:

    Aliens almost certainly do exist

    I took the question to mean “Have aliens visited this planet?”

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  33. Griff (6,967 comments) says:

    Yes wilky lunatic is as lunatic does

    You do realize that this posts is about the nutjob aspect of some of your core belief system :lol: conspirowhackys for conservonutters.

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  34. Tom Jackson (2,479 comments) says:

    How can #2 be a conspiracy theory? Everyone watched him do it. If “misled” includes “wildly exaggerated”then he did.

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  35. KiwiGreg (3,211 comments) says:

    Oddly Griff is from the more coherent and sane spectrum of CAGW believers.

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  36. KiwiGreg (3,211 comments) says:

    Pretty sure the proof of aliens in Area 51 was covered in that Independence Day documentary with Will Smith

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  37. Phil (126 comments) says:

    5% of people who voted for Obama believe he is the antichrist.

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  38. Tom Jackson (2,479 comments) says:

    Where’s Austrian economics on that list?

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  39. Ed Snack (1,773 comments) says:

    Griff, the funniest thing is the Lewandowsky paper is based on faked data. He claims that the survey was posted (as a link) on the Skeptical Science Blog, it is now established beyond doubt that it wasn’t, it was “advertized” in a Twit only, it otherwise appeared on a range of nut-0job “true believer” blogs that have effectively zero skeptical commentors. It was so obviously scammed by alarmists pretending to be skeptics that it is laughable.

    The real scandal is how Lewandowsky got the fake research published and past the University ethics committee.

    I think that the only reasonable explanation is a massive instance of projection: alarmists are so totally convinced of the massively funded denier network (snort) that they’ll believe anything you tell them. Cognitive dissonance is a permanent state of “mind” with Lewandosky types.

    And as for the original “survey”, David, it’s well past 1 April, enough of the fake survey stuff already.

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  40. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    @KiwiGreg, yes, it is strange. I’ve seen him make sensible comments. His triggers into insanity seem quite specific. Maybe exposure therapy would help. He’s obviously led a sheltered life inside the likes of the RealClimate and SkepticalScience propaganda websites and, like them, is so scared of the outside world they ban all contrary thoughts.

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  41. Dennis Horne (2,127 comments) says:

    Fluoride is dangerous. The context is fluoridation (at <1ppm).

    It's like asking if cyanide is poisonous (yes) then saying, "But you eat almonds (contain cyanide)". Poison is a question of dose.

    When fluoridation started water treatment depended more on chlorination than it does now (filtration) and that produced a lot of nasty chlorinated organic compounds (carcinogenic). That was kept very quiet.

    Whether water should be fluoridated is a public health issue, and fluoride is probably the safest remedy in the book for anything. Drinking water has been naturally fluoridated for years and epidemiology shows it has done no harm.

    Fluorine (hydrofluoric acid) would dissolve your drinking glass. Bottoms up, chaps, tonight’s the night.

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  42. RightNow (6,799 comments) says:

    Ed – “University ethics” : the oxymoron of the millennium.

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  43. All_on_Red (1,466 comments) says:

    Ed,
    Quite so. The Lewandowsky Paper (or Lewpaper as its called) hasn’t passed Peer Review and is being withdrawn.

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  44. scrubone (3,074 comments) says:

    5% of people who voted for Obama believe he is the antichrist.

    I thought it was 5% of democrats?

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  45. thedavincimode (6,582 comments) says:

    Where is Reid when you need him?

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  46. Manolo (13,514 comments) says:

    Where is Reid when you need him?

    For a man of your cutting wit that was a low blow.

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  47. Tom Jackson (2,479 comments) says:

    You’re making too much of that paper. The secondary claim is obviously true. In that if people believe in a cluster of conspiracies, they are likely to believe that AGW is a conspiracy. People who complain about that don’t understand how conditionals work. The main claim isn’t surprising: hyper individualists tend to be biased against things that they perceive limit freedom.

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  48. Steve (North Shore) (4,517 comments) says:

    I know where the Aliens are and who they are.
    Can’t tell you or else they will kill me

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  49. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Conspiracy Percent believing

    Man made global warming 63%

    There fixed it.

    You can add anything to that list, it does not make it a conspiracy.

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  50. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    @Tom, making anything of that paper is making too much of it. It is pure crap and a disgrace both to its authors and their institutions.

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  51. s.russell (1,578 comments) says:

    You fools! Don’t you.know that JFK was killed by Bigfoot? The proof is on.the cover of Sgt Pepper, And this study.prooves that.4% of people cannot.resist pulling.peoples legs when.they.are presented.

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  52. Griff (6,967 comments) says:

    Ed Snack

    It was so obviously scammed by alarmists pretending to be skeptics

    Oh dear :lol: nutters just can not help themselves

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  53. RRM (9,606 comments) says:

    And I believed in the New World Order until Kevin Nash and Lex Luger split from them…

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  54. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Lets start a list for New Zealanders just for fun. I’ll start.

    The treaty of Waitangi was a partnership between Queen Vic and 500 odd disparate cannibal chiefs.

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  55. Reid (16,072 comments) says:

    Where is Reid when you need him?

    Out doing things.

    The thing about shape-shifting lizardry is they are from the fourth dimension and you have to understand what that is. The fourth dimension is spacetime.

    And very people understand that so they think it’s all about Queen Elizabeth who is one of the senior ones and who according to the theory eats children as sacrifices and uses a drug I forget what its called, as a narcotic, which they get from the pituitary gland of a small human child at a state of maximum terror. All of them do this.

    At the heart of it is the concept that it’s we share this universe with other creatures far more advanced than we who have mastered amongst other things this lizardly ability.

    I find this a bit unlikely, but that’s what the hypothesis says.

    You see I never use the word theory to describe these things because it’s a propaganda ploy. The minute you use the word conspiracy theory you pavolovian-like conjure a certain image inculcated over time to make the mere use of the word ridiculous. And this is used to hide the real ones, amongst the manufactured.

    But personally I don’t understand how this could be because why they would even want to spend their whole lives on drugs on Earth when hey, if you really could do that then you’d be off on a much cooler and interesting place than here, wouldn’t you. And so would they, I figure.

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  56. Reid (16,072 comments) says:

    There is one interesting conspiracy theory hypothesis called the Montauk Project that follows on from the Philadelphia experiment.

    And there’s a very good series of interviews with all sorts of people at a sight called something like The Camelot Project on many interesting things like the guy who looks after the real actual crystal skull http://projectcamelot.org/crystal_skull.html and this guy http://projectcamelot.org/bob_dean.html, and this guyhttp://projectcamelot.org/pete_peterson.html whose wife was killed after he did the interview and he stopped talking.

    http://projectcamelot.org/index1.html – click Interviews and Reports in the colored bar.

    I think if you chose to be ignorant in what the content is, you shouldn’t worry too much about whether you think they’re true or not, because if you don’t even know what the thing is you’ve just judged, then who cares, with respect, what you think? You don’t even understand what it is so how the heck do you know it’s not even in the realm of the possible?

    There’s a book I’m only half way through which is fascinating. It’s a book claiming the first and the second world war were British creations as a geostrategic containment strategy she foresaw in 1870 against the danger to the British Empire of a German-Russian alliance which would threaten British global dominance. It’s called Conjuring Hitler. You can get a pdf here: http://solargeneral.com/library/conjuring-hitler.pdf

    I’ll tell you what I think of it when I’ve finished it.

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  57. Tom Jackson (2,479 comments) says:

    @Tom, making anything of that paper is making too much of it. It is pure crap and a disgrace both to its authors and their institutions

    And your peremptory and ill informed pontifications about things you don’t agree with but know nothing about have been an unfortunate staple of the NZ blogosphere for at least ten years now, so forgive me if I don’t take your word for it. Save your tiresome windbaggery for someone else.

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  58. pq (728 comments) says:

    The percentage of Americans who believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in shooting JFK shooting is around 25%.
    Google it for reference, and the alternative is a conspiracy, ie more than one person who conspired..
    Bush did intentionally mislead Americans over weapons of mass destruction, there is no real question.
    Lizards, lizards? who are the lizards .

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  59. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    @tom, if you take Lewinsky’s crap seriously you are an even greater fool than I suspected. Sorry I bothered replying to disturb your delusions.

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  60. EAD (777 comments) says:

    Shame on you DPF – this is a classic Alinsky tactic you are trying to pull off of guilt by association. A bit like saying that those who disagree with race based politics are somehow akin to National Socialists.

    Trying to associate beliefs in shapeshifting lizards, Aliens, Bigfoot & UFOs to the same level of outrageousness as skepticism of 9/11 and especially global warming is gutter journalism. To dismiss conspiracy theories as a way to make sense of a senseless act and having no bearing on facts is vaguely offensive. I am not gullible. I research both sides of the argument thoroughly. I am well educated and have a good understanding of math, engineering and physics and I’ve never seen an explanation how jet fuel can melt steel and cause a building to collapse in on itself in a freefall fashion a.k.a. 9/11.

    Moreover, the models used by those who advocate global warming are so fundamentally flawed that even a Stat 101 student can spot the flaws in the cherrypicked data used to compile them. Even the non-scientifically minded public can see that the wild predictions made haven’t eventuated and that even the Met Office here in the UK have admitted there has been no warming in the past 16 years.

    And as for lying about WMDs…..

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  61. cha (3,833 comments) says:

    Heh…

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/17/study-belief-in-an-angry-god-associated-with-variety-of-mental-illnesses/

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  62. Paranormal (6 comments) says:

    Of course the Lizard People are running the government. Has anyone ever looked closely at Clarkula and Sullen?

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