Should Maurice run for Mayor?

April 19th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Whale asks whether Maurice Williamson should run for Mayor of Auckland?

As Building and Construction Minister, Maurice would be a very credible candidate standing on policies to make Auckland a more affordable place to live – in contrast to the policies of the left which are to make land as expensive as possible.

And as his speech becomes a global sensation, it is a reminder of what a formidable speaker and debater Maurice is. As an economic and social liberal he would be a very good fit for Auckland.

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101 Responses to “Should Maurice run for Mayor?”

  1. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    His first mayoral edict: change the city’s motto to “City of Sails Gays“.

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  2. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    No, he’d have a public “mass-debate.”

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  3. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    Maurice Williamson seems like a good bastard.

    Has he shown any more inclination than the next man that he wants to put his name in the ring for it? Is this the VRWC’s way of announcing him as a contender? (Or is this the VRWC’s way of respectfully suggesting to him that he should do it?)

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  4. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    And it’s good to see the institution of straight marriage is so strong, that its proponents are able to see how inconsequential gay marriage is to them.

    You’d have to be pretty weak and insecure in who you are, to still be moaning your life away in pissant, futile homophobic rants on blog sites days after the event.

    So thank goodness no-one here has lowered himself to that level.

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  5. ross69 (3,645 comments) says:

    And as his speech becomes a global sensation…

    Yeah right. Isn’t this the guy who said that Jews in concentration camps never had a problem with obesity, so why should the rest of us?

    I’m not sure that making a speech on marriage equality makes him qualified for anything unless he’s thinking of becoming a marriage celebrant.

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  6. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    I am sure all good Catholics would vote for him.

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  7. MikeG (359 comments) says:

    He was certainly liberal with the description of the degree he obtained during his gay speech

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  8. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    Yeah right. Isn’t this the guy who said that Jews in concentration camps never had a problem with obesity, so why should the rest of us?

    :lol: LOL!

    he’s got my vote.

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  9. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    Good grief.. I agree with Ross69

    Had to happen one day.

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  10. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    in contrast to the policies of the left which are to make land as expensive as possible.

    Well that’s easily solved. Labour and the Greens will set up NZ Land, which will compulsorily acquire all land and then sell it at “fair” prices, to ensure no-one charges excessive prices.

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  11. MikeG (359 comments) says:

    “in contrast to the policies of the left which are to make land as expensive as possible.”
    More unsubstantiated b*s from this blog. I thought that Farrar liked to deal in facts?!

    “Building and Construction Minister, Maurice would be a very credible candidate” hahahahahaha – given the leaky building issues in Auckland I don’t think so.

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  12. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    I’m sorry? Someone makes one speech which gains a lot of attention, and all of a sudden he should run for mayor?

    Have people gone just a little bit over the top with their reactions? Marcus Lush asked Louisa Wall on Radio Live if she was going to be the first gay Prime Minister! (Which she didn’t bat aside, incidentally. Oh yay, says David Shearer, ANOTHER challenger … just what I needed …)

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  13. kowtow (6,723 comments) says:

    Global sensation?

    Only to the “progressive” MSM.

    He was rude and offhand about his ,presumably own constituents, who did the right thing in a democracy, writing to him.He was most un parliamentary and down right offensive to Roman Catholicism.

    Be not afraid indeed.

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  14. kowtow (6,723 comments) says:

    Building issues?

    And this govt’s edication dept is suing J Hardie over leaking buildings.

    Remind me which party was in power when deregulation allowed the whole leaky fiasco?

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  15. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    He is trying to out do Key in his part time role as stand up comedian.

    He like many of the liberals were drunk with power and could not resist rubbing it in. We will not forget. Key has done a great job insuring the future of NZF and Winston for another term.

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  16. Red Sam (120 comments) says:

    There’s no doubt that Maurice Williamson is a clever orator and an intelligent man, even though he’s too neo-liberal for my liking.

    But intersting how not too many years ago he was completely on the outer with the National caucus and he was shoved to the back of the back benchers. It seemed back then that they wanted him gone.

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  17. MikeG (359 comments) says:

    That’s right Red Sam – I think that Farrar calls this rejunvenation!

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  18. MikeG (359 comments) says:

    kowtow – I think that you’re thinking of the Building Act 1991, passed by Bolger’s Government.

    The bill that allowed untreated timber was passed in 1998

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  19. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Yes…,. Yes..,,., Yes….

    Maurice could beat red Len to a pulp.
    :) :)
    Brewer would be a good deputy… but PC would give it Fletcher.

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  20. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t he have to deal with leaky buildings and the back-lash against the Tory party first.

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  21. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    I think it is a genius idea. Let’s draft him now! God know’s he’s not much use in parliament any more.

    He’s hardly Mr Charisma, but that makes him perfect for local government. Aucklanders are sick of flashy mayors. Let’s give him a run.

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  22. wiseowl (577 comments) says:

    Williamsons speech was arrogant and condescending.
    It was a kick in the guts for his electorate.
    It explained exactly why MP’s should not have such an avenue as a conscience vote that seems to give some of them a ‘holier than thou’ attitude.

    Time he retired.

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  23. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    I dont care who is mayor as long as its not Len “speedo” B And his choochoos or John Blanks.

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  24. Alan Johnstone (921 comments) says:

    Why would he want to give up his comfortable seat to run for mayor when he’d be almost certain to lose ?

    He’s a late middle aged, rich white man from east Auckland who has a lot of dodgy statements on record. How is that different from John Banks ? The demographics of the super city make people like that getting elected very difficult.

    He’s a fairly crappy local mp, very little presence in the community. At the local Howick village market which is in his Pakuranga constituency Jami-Lee Ross often has a stall and takes questions despite not even being the local mp.

    4 more years to top up his pension and happy retirement I reckon.

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  25. Alan Johnstone (921 comments) says:

    What was interesting about last time is how little the campaign shifted votes.

    A UMR poll for the NZH in late April 2010 had the Brown / Banks vote shares within 1%.

    5 – 6 months of slogging and advertising and it was all for naught.

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  26. berend (1,602 comments) says:

    He insulted 50% of his electorate, so he probably won’t be back in parliament. And not sure that’s a good start for mayor.

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  27. Jack5 (4,230 comments) says:

    Maurice William-Sung for Mayor of Auckland? That seems a good job for the political oaf.

    Mayor of some regional town in China would be better. There he could lay into already oppressed Catholics and fundamentalist Protestants.

    And maybe he could arrange for permission for New Zealanders to buy farmland in China.

    Maurice as Chinese mayor would be wise to keep his mouth shut about gay marriage, however. His cobbers in the politburo wouldn’t like his views on that.

    IMHO, Bill English had the measure of Maurice. Exiled him to the back of the back benches. Remember Maurice’s joke of bringing binoculars into the House so he could see the Speaker?

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  28. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Bashing and insulting Catholics is just ‘Oh-So Fashionable’ these days…
    Would Maurice have the nerve to insult and mock Maori Spiritual beliefs?

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  29. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Good on Maurice….showing the repressed hate filled bigots who claim to be “Christians (followers of Christ) up as the nutter dinosaurs of intolerance.

    If you are spouting evil hate filled nonsense you get outed and ridiculed….as you should be.

    Catholicism is retarded and manufactured child raping nonsense….who cares what it thinks…?

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  30. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    He would actually fit well as mayor. I don’t know him at all but I sense he could become another good one like Bob Parker. He’s got all the qualifications he needs in industrial strength. And he can get appeal. Len looks like a loser compared to him.

    Liarbore will be moving into overdrive to avoid the possibility of their man being rolled in “their” town, to sabotage Williamson and will boost Len by every little scheme and trick in their diabolical book.

    I hope the Nats do the same with Williamson. It’s not hard to knock Len over. He’s weak and girly, compared to Maurice.

    Crosby-Textor where are you?

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  31. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    The problem with your argument Scorned is that Maurice and the rest of Parliament all held hands and indulged in a Maori PRAYER after the vote…

    I guess Maori Christianity is exempt from your Scorn??

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  32. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Would Maurice have the nerve to insult and mock Maori Spiritual beliefs?

    Don’t be silly. Of course not, he’s a member of the brave National Party.

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  33. Jack5 (4,230 comments) says:

    Reid posted at 6.20 of Maurice W. as a potential mayor of Auckland:

    …I sense he could become another good one like Bob Parker…

    Parker’s a show pony. Christchurch City Council is unruly and generally ineffective.

    I’m of the Right politically, but I believe leftist Jim Anderton would have been a better mayor than Parker is.

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  34. Simon Arnold (94 comments) says:

    OT but he is Minister for Building and Construction and has been Minister of Transport. I see recent reports that make the rather obvious comment that the imminent arrival of driver-less cars will cause cities to expand (just as rail and the private car did in the past) and obviate the need for parking in the CBD.

    Not a bad platform to take Auckland City with :)

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  35. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    Will anyone stand against Len Brown ?

    Or will it be all wind no substance ?

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  36. orewa1 (425 comments) says:

    Much as Maurice is an excellent raconteur, sadly he is not an intellectual giant. His speech shows that. Auckland deserves better than this. Carry on with the suggestions of candidates..

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  37. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    This is how modern politics works unfortunately.

    Does it make anyone else sick how people are drawn to the superficial like moths to a f@cking light bulb?

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  38. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    Of course he should stand as Mayor.

    The only real question is should he grow a beard again to hide his weak chin or would being hirsute upset his new friends….. who tend to go for full Brazilian! :)

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  39. Steve (North Shore) (4,327 comments) says:

    Fucking oath, Williamson should stand if he wants to.
    I will vote for him, or I will not vote.
    Len Brown is a …. you know the rest from WhaleOil

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  40. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    I watched his speech and I could see that he has no foresight whatsoever about what the new law will wreak on our country.
    And he is supposed to be a politician. It just goes to prove that there was no serious discussion about what marriage is, how marriage will be affected, and the effect on children.

    All he had were smarmy put downs for those who disagreed with him.

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  41. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Oh do fuck off god botherers. Go and do some charity work if you want to change the world. I hear the catholic church needs some help with PR and behaviour standards.

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  42. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Jami-Lee Ross was selling poppies at Countdown Botany early this evening. Shaking his tin can and accosting shoppers. I was so angry I was too frightened to speak with him, apart from “No thanks”. He did call me “Sir” though, so he’s modest enough. Unlike his mate Williamson, who is just a blowhard. If he had a rubber trumpet he could play in a rubber band.

    Anzac Day should be abolished. Traditional nonsense…

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  43. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    If you are spouting evil hate filled nonsense you get outed and ridiculed….as you should be.

    Catholicism is retarded and manufactured child raping nonsense….who cares what it thinks…?

    I’m confused.

    Is spouting evil hate filled nonsense wrong or not? Or is it just wrong when you do it?

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  44. greenjacket (347 comments) says:

    Williamson is clever, has a fantastic BS detector, pragmatic, but he’s also a one-man band. While he struggled in parliament (where party discipline is needed) he’d make a great mayor of Auckland.

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  45. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    Only a Horned one would dare poo poo Anzac day in Godzone! :)

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  46. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Its wrong when you bigoted god botherers keep banging on and on and on. Get a life, the world has moved on since the bronze age.

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  47. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Go and do some charity work if you want to change the world

    Love the assumption that, because you see people speaking against something evil, they’re not changing the world by actually, you know, doing something.

    I for one do prefer charity work in many ways – you get a lot less hate fixing someone’s house or feeding the homeless than you do blogging.

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  48. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    One day our fine papist friends will realize that in the western world the sun has set on their silly myths and superstitions.
    The stained priests robes being hidden behind the facade of pious righteousness forgo them any chance of being taken as the fount of morality on the political stage ever again.

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  49. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Get a life, the world has moved on since the bronze age.

    Yes, after the iron age ended this religion called “Christianity” started up.

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  50. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    He might as well run for mayor, he won’t have much else to do.

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  51. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    The stained priests robes being hidden behind the facade of pious righteousness forgo them any chance of being taken as the fount of morality on the political stage ever again.

    Yea, you atheists have Christianity all beat for piousness these days. You’ve got the flowery wording and everything.

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  52. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Also, look up the “Protestant Reformation”.

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  53. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    Griff, it is only those ‘silly myths and superstitions’ that have given you the freedom you have now.
    Your ignorance is showing.

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  54. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    I am astounded. You learn something every day. Or nearly every day. I never thought I would despise the people hurling abuse at Catholics more than I dislike the Church itself. Interesting.

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  55. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Yes but christianity is so backwards looking its a bronze age superstition

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  56. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    KB is a fascinating place Horny! :)

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  57. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Hi, Nosty. I’ve been reading your comments. You seem to have your brain back now you’ve given Bane Blogs the brush-off. ;)

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  58. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    It’s almost addictive in fact. Just when I try to drag my self off to the porno sites I keep coming back to KB. :)

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  59. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Johnboy. I hope you’re not cuming on to me, Boyo, I’m not sure about bigamy under the new lawless. ;)

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  60. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    It is only since we have pushed back the shackles of your ignorant religion that freedom has progressed.
    The issue as always is between your idea of freedom: We must do and believe as your invisible friend tells you and our freedom to make our own minds up based on rational thought .

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  61. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Well, it’s high comedy here tonight as far as I’m concerned. I’m just waiting for the next history and morality lesson these fine gents have for us. ;)

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  62. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    As long as you dont have a woolly jumper on you are safe Horny. :)

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  63. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Wilberforce.

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  64. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Oh yes the haters try and position themselves as reasonable gents not bigoted hate merchants……

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  65. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Michael Faraday

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  66. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Thomas John Barnardo

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  67. Jack5 (4,230 comments) says:

    Re expat’s 9.11 post:

    …christianity is so backwards looking its a bronze age superstition…

    The bronze age was long over when Christianity was founded. In the near East, where Christianity arose, the iron age was over, too, though that age was still continuing in heathen Western Europe.

    Monks and other Christians in Byzantium and outposts like Ireland were important in keeping the Western cvilisation of the Greeks and Romans alive during the Dark Ages following he decline of Rome.

    For some reason, from tens of thousands of years of living as bands of cave dwellers, humans may have become psychologically depended on having religous beliefs of some sort.

    When religion flags, nasty ideologies tend to replace it. There have been some pretty cruel and irrational religions, but when you see the bloodshed and mayhem that came with many revolutions from the French, to Lenin’s and Mao’s and Pol Pot’s, present day Christianity seems fairly tame.

    What would you rather have? Confucianism and Christianity, or Mao’s mayhem? The Christian reforming Tolstoy, who influenced Ghandi, or Lenin and Trotsky?

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  68. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    yes go back in time and pick a few sparkles It might make the dark ages of religious oppression understandable in your mind it certainly does not impress me. For every bright light there would be thousands of cases of evil. The Church enabled slavery civilization progressed to a time where going against the establishment was possible and the concept of equality had evolved sufficiently to support the abolition of slavery.

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  69. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    The crusades, holy wars, jihads, etc

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  70. Paul Marsden (935 comments) says:

    Been an intelligent man (greater than most in parliament) and with a dry wit to-boot, Maurice has always been a good orator, though I would hardly think been Mayor of Auckland is on his agenda. I think has has better and more interesting things to do.

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  71. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    The crusades, holy wars, jihads, etc

    Evil things being done in the name of God doesn’t contradict my worldview – in fact, the distortion of God’s message into evil is expected and predicted in the Bible.

    However, I’ve been sitting here reading how Christians are always oppressing and ignorant so I thought throwing out the name of the guy who lead the fight to end the slave trade and the world’s greatest ever experimental scientist might be relevant.

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  72. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    Yeah bro us atheists are all communists.
    You been reading to many keas
    The shining lights of Christianity that we are continuously bombarded with gives you the reason that there is a proportion of atheists that are openly disdainful of all Abrahamic religions.

    Bronze age is the root of the “god” tm bothering shit .

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  73. Jack5 (4,230 comments) says:

    I’m not a Christian, but I admire the Quakers for their moral courage and actions, and I think, Expat, that you will even find many or all Quakers have for some time been supportive of gay marriage.

    I respect the Salvation Army for its help for those most of us don’t give a stuff about.I respect Mother Teresa, too.

    If all of their good work is from superstition, that’s okay with me. Just as it’s sensible not to walk under ladders, who cares if with others the precaution is superstition.

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  74. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    The shining lights of Christianity that we are continuously bombarded with gives you the reason that there is a proportion of atheists that are openly disdainful of all Abrahamic religions.

    Exactly, it’s the propaganda you listen to.

    Atheists are fed (or feed themselves) a constant stream of crusades, holy wars, jihads, and westboro baptists.

    Yet as a Christian, I see the above men I’ve pointed to and others like them as the epitome of what Christianity is. I don’t know any christian who would not.

    So what better defines Christianity, the bad examples atheists point to, or the good examples Christians admire and aspire to?

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  75. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

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  76. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    No its the shining lights who post on KB
    The ones that have been bleating on and on and on and on ……….about butt sex when the debate is over homosexuality
    Claiming a moral right for their idea of society when their own mana is heavily diminished.
    If we did not have this myth used as justification in rational discussion we would not react against its stupidity.

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  77. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Why stop at the catholic church?
    http://www.peterellis.org.nz/Institutions/SalvationArmy/2003/index1.htm

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/us/03amish.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    I’m on record, and I’ll repeat it here: every church has had problems with sexual abuse, and they have almost invariably been mishandled.

    But to say that’s something wrong with the church is casting a blind eye to thousands of other cases, such as these:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2013/02/21/rick-curl-swimming-coach-guilty-plea-sexual-abuse/1937665/
    http://proicehockey.about.com/od/history/a/Graham-James-Hockey-Coach-And-Sex-Offender.htm
    http://qctimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/registered-sex-offenders-arrested-for-coaching-youth-sports/article_a995f66e-3367-11e2-b2e8-001a4bcf887a.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal

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  78. peterwn (2,939 comments) says:

    Whaleoil has been bellyaching for National to get involved in Auckland City politics, and persuading Maurice to run for Mayor would be something tangible National could do without upsetting its policy of keeping out of local politics.

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  79. Jack5 (4,230 comments) says:

    Griff (10pm post), would you argue that if there were no Christianity, there would be no paedophiles?
    Would you argue AGAINST the view that if a person had to be a recognised and professed atheist to run or work in children’s homes, then paedophiles would infiltrate them as professed atheists?

    I agree that celibacy in the Catholic faith has given cover for many same-sex paedophiles, but for them and for heterosexual paedophiles, the attraction surely has been the vulnerable children rather than the religion itself.

    Paedophiles are always going to be around, and most are probably unreformable, which, IMHO, is one argument in favour of capital punishment. Over a dozen or two generations that might reduce the responsible genes.

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  80. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    The problem with the pedophilia is it went on unchecked as did the abuse at orphanages and care facility around the world. Our lady of compassion :lol: As per my previous post where I wanted to capture righteous piousness in its tone

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  81. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    I look forward to the Mayoral debates with Maurice Williamson.

    I Will be interested to know whether he agrees that the Auckland region is now being run by the NZ Property Council and Committee for Auckland?

    Does Maurice Williams agree with all this ‘growth’ coming to Auckland?

    If so – why?

    Does Maurice Williamson agree that the Auckland $upercity has been a ripoff for the majority of Aucklanders, with never-ending rate increases, and unelected businesspeople running the Auckland region ‘like a business, by business – FOR business’ (including property developers?)

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

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  82. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Penny, you’re a bit late off the mark.

    This thread is about 6 comments away from debating the existence of God ;)

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  83. Griff (6,263 comments) says:

    We can go back to why the comments like that made by Maurice will not effect the right vote all that much in Pakuranga
    Are the conservative christian right really a political force?

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  84. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    The difference between me and God is that If I found someone torturing,raping,molesting or killing someone I would act to stop them…..

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  85. Rufus (606 comments) says:

    The Scorned – why would you stop them?

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  86. Rufus (606 comments) says:

    I mean, you’re a god, why would you care? You get to set the rules, and they’re just insignificant ants, so why would you?

    Why would you stop ant hill 4567a from beating up anthill 4567b?

    Silly posturing.

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  87. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Yes, we want to believe the gods care about us. In our madness it gives us hope. We try to get their attention: praying, begging forgiveness, singing beautifully. Of course they don’t give a Ratzinger.

    The existence of gods, the argument. Have we set up some straw gods?

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  88. jaba (2,069 comments) says:

    Ms Notso. I look forward to seeing the number of people who agree with you and therefore vote for you. I would suggest a dramatic increase will be needed based on previous attempts to get elected to anything

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  89. ross69 (3,645 comments) says:

    He was on TV3 last night comparing himself to Psy and asking how he can make an even bigger splash.

    I would’ve thought that resigning might do it.

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  90. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    Couldn’t agree more Ross69. I think he will be in trouble next time he presents himself before the electorate for a mandate. Perez Hilton and Ellen de generes think he’s fantastic. However they don’t get to vote for him. The good people of Pakuranga, including the much maligned Catholic priest and the Reverend and all the other constituents he has openly insulted do.

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  91. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Williamson, like Labour lite, could be history within a few months.

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  92. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    He reminds me of King Julian.

    Good for a laugh but a right fucking elitist nutjob.

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  93. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Maurice Williamson was on a roll, he came to a fork in the road; he took it.

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  94. cossackstomper (24 comments) says:

    I am in Maurices electorate, and I have worked for his reelection in the past. Never again he was flippant ,and rude over the Gay Marriage Bill. He went into the Howick ,and Eastern Times to tell everyone why he is voting for the Gay Bill. Aside from upsetting all the Catholics ,and falsely claiming he had a Physics degree when its in fact Computer Sciences.He then made another fatal mistake by up setting all the other Christians by selectively taking one verse completely out of context, and saying Be Calm. Maurice had a huge Electorate win he has done himself ,and National huge damage in this area by being so arrogant ,and out of tune with the rest of his Electorate. I wouldn’t vote for him for mayor or any other position of Authority. I think a little power has gone to his head ,and he has gone stale in Parliament . He should probably look round for a job as a manager at a Nudist colony, perhaps DF could be one of his regular guests along with , Kevin Hague, Russell Norman all the other benders ,and carpet munchers that are in Parliament . As Damian Oconnor put it so beautifully once trouble with Labour is that they are run by a gaggle of Gays and trade unionists. Trouble with National is that they are pandering to every pressure group are losing all of their moral fiber, and have no intestinal fortitude at all they are rapidly becoming a nothing party rather than a conservative party

    [DPF: Your comments reflect so much more on you than anyone else. You seem to think that one can't support same sex marriage without having gay desires. That says more about you than, anyone else]

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  95. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    Agree cossack stomper, the National party was once a conservative party that cared about things like mum and dad and the kids. Now it has been taken over, as Labour has been, by liberals who care nothing for conserving the wisdom of the past and run roughshod over ancient institutions like marriage.

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  96. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    [DPF's interjections reflect far more on him than those he interjects on! :) ]

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  97. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    I say to you, David Farrar, you are denying something that was not said. I too am in Williamson’s electorate and while I disagree with what’s happened I could have shrugged it off. There was no need to insult me personally; my wife feels the same way. I am a committed atheist, by the way. I haven’t spoken to many people here but all feel cheated and insulted.

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  98. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    I don’t think many people understand the objections. It’s partly lack of intellect but it’s also psychological on two levels. Some softies don’t want to see it while homosexuals have something wrong with the brain.

    There are two aspects to marriage. First is the common law marriage, based on history. Second is the legal entity, the piece of paper.

    You can change the paper but you cannot change the traditional meaning. These fools have given homosexuals the paper but not the marriage. They can’t. Common law marriage is man and wife.

    What many say about their marriage is true. It has not changed. But there is a disconnect between the concept and the name now.

    In a generation or two marriage will be only a piece of paper. Probably perforated for arse cleaning.

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  99. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    “Probably perforated for arse cleaning.”

    I really am starting to like you Dennis old boy. :)

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  100. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Jesus, Johnboy, am I that bad?

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  101. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    Perhaps Someone wants to crawl onto the Ellen Degenerate Show with BigGob.

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