South Island settlements now complete!

April 20th, 2013 at 2:37 pm by David Farrar

Chris Finlayson has announced:

Today’s signing between the Crown Ngāti Tama ki Te Tau Ihu at Onetahua Marae in Golden Bay marks the final deed of settlement for historical claims in the South Island, Negotiations Minister Christopher Finlayson announced.

“This government is committed to resolving all historical Treaty grievances, and so it is a monumental occasion as we sign the last outstanding deed of settlement for historical claims in the South Island,” Mr Finlayson said.

This is the 62nd deed of settlement signed by the Crown since 1990. It is the 36th to have been signed since November 2008.

“This government is committed to just and durable settlements of these grievances in a timely fashion,” he said. “We have increased the rate at which settlements are being reached, so that full and final resolution of these issues is accomplished sooner for the benefit of Māori and all New Zealanders.” …

“Over the past four years the completion of all historical settlements has gone from being a vanishing point constantly beyond the horizon, to being recognized as an achievable goal that is now well advanced,” Mr Finlayson said.

The only major area which has a settlement yet to progess is in Northland, where Iwi find it difficult to agree on who does the negotiation.

Over around 25 years, the settlements will total around $1.5 billion. That is not a huge amount of money considering the Government is spending around $70 billion a year.

I expect the final historical settlement to occur in this decade. That will be a very good thing. Many Iwi such as Ngai Tahi have gone from grievance mode to achievement mode.

The completion of historical settlements will not mean an end to Treaty issues. There will still be arguments over resource consent issues, water rights, airwaves and the like. You can’t pass a law saying people are not allowed to argue!

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45 Responses to “South Island settlements now complete!”

  1. Viking2 (11,416 comments) says:

    All full & final then. Just like the 3 or 4 settlements ,over the same land, that went before.

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  2. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Full and final; heard it before.

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  3. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    “….You can’t pass a law saying people are not allowed to argue!…”

    Good.

    Just this very week……..we too had our identity and intellectual property stolen. :cool:

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  4. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Chris is a lovely little chap. Keen on operatic stuff. Obviously totally deluded though! :)

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  5. wreck1080 (3,884 comments) says:

    Its largely a joke.

    Maori are moving on to local co-governance (see the top gear debacle in northland, and the taupo ironman event ).

    Then, it will be national co-governance, 2 sets of laws based on skin colour.

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  6. Chinarugby (87 comments) says:

    Give it a bone Harriett – you boring old trout. Youv’e ranted at us long enough – take a day off luv.

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  7. Kea (12,413 comments) says:

    You can’t pass a law saying people are not allowed to argue!

    No but you can enforce existing laws regarding equality and not giving special rights on the basis of race.

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  8. Nigel (512 comments) says:

    Maoridom is facing a split I suspect, those north of Auckland & the rest. I hope that changes.

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  9. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    Ngai Tahu is not a very good example David. They have had settlements in 1868, 1906 1943 (full and final by act of parliament) and 1996. In addition they have had an allocation of fisheries assets, a top up to the 1996 settlement, 25m for possible losses from changes to the ets , all of the greenstone in the South Island and $6m recently from the aquaculture settlement.
    Bear in mind that Ngai Tahu only arrived in the South Island in the 1730’s and at the time of the treaty was signed numbered around 2-3 thousand, scattered mostly around the coast. Neither were they signatories to the treaty.
    There is no way they were owners of the entire South Island in 1840.
    What is important is that any settlements are actually justified based actual history not politically expedient manufactured history. Otherwise they just cause more & more racial division.

    Don’t think for a moment that it stops with this round of settlements as we also have a situation where as a result of the so called “partnership model of the treaty” more and more power is being transferred to unelected Iwi groups. They will keep pushing for more and unless the brakes are applied it will only get worse.

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  10. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    The Ngai Tahu settlement, by National ,has a relativity clause.That was triggered recently.

    Some people are very generous with taxpayer’s money!

    That settlement established a charitable trust.It must be on e of the biggest in the country.Property,tourism,the fisheries etc. Massive money spinners.Why do they need a relativity clause?

    The folk who run the charity pay themselves very handsomely,thank you very much.

    How much is disbursed to it’s beneficiaries?

    I presume the businesses are paying charity tax rates.

    Our shit MSM need to get cracking on these issues…..oh no that would be racist.

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  11. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    Over around 25 years, the settlements will total around $1.5 billion. That is not a huge amount of money considering the Government is spending around $70 billion a year.

    Not huge.

    $1.5 billion.

    *vomits*

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  12. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    The idea that the settlements are “complete” is not exactly true (in money terms anyway).

    At least a couple of tribes have “relativity” clauses written into their “settlements” which mean that the government steals “x” million from us to give to them every few years. By “relativity”, what is meant is their settlements relative to those of other tribes.

    Those “top-up” clauses should never have been agreed to – they are a permanent *racist* rort.

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  13. Peter (1,699 comments) says:

    “Full and final” for a little while. Then it all starts again.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

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  14. BeaB (2,118 comments) says:

    I think, for what it’s worth, that we can all be proud that we have this process that respects everyone involved and puts right shameful acts in the past. Whatever our views, I am proud to be part of a country that seeks to do the right thing.

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  15. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Many Iwi such as Ngai Tahi have gone from grievance mode to achievement mode.

    Apart from being absolute bullshit, this statement takes it’s key wording directly from John Ansell’s Treatygate commentary – Achiever / Griever.

    DPF’s new script must include ensuring Ansell doesn’t get any traction.

    We can expect lots more on this topic as the spectre of a National-supported racist constitution looms large.

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  16. lilman (953 comments) says:

    PISS OFF- TROUGHERS THE LOT.

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  17. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Skin colour has nothing to do with it, wreck1080…

    I’ve yet to see a dark skinned Ngai Tahu :)

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  18. Steve (North Shore) (4,547 comments) says:

    Complete for this decade, then we start the next round for the next generation who think they were treated unfairly.
    This will never stop and the Moari know it

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  19. BlairM (2,321 comments) says:

    Bear in mind that Ngai Tahu only arrived in the South Island in the 1730′s and at the time of the treaty was signed numbered around 2-3 thousand, scattered mostly around the coast. Neither were they signatories to the treaty.

    Well the last statement is not true – of course they signed the Treaty! They signed it on 30th May 1840 at Akaroa. And Ngai Tahu have been in the South Island since the 17th Century, not the 1730s, as if that matters to any definition of their property and their rights to it. And they were few in number for a reason – Te Rauparaha decimated them in the 1830s. Again, this has nothing to do with their right to their property.

    Maori generally tended to prefer the warmer weather of the North Island, as to the majority of New Zealanders today. Doesn’t mean nobody owned the South Island just because there weren’t as many people.

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  20. Manolo (13,586 comments) says:

    “Full and final” until the next generation of Stone Agers comes asking for more.

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  21. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    @BlairM

    Apologies for the mistake around the treaty signing. In terms of the move to the South Island Te Ara says-
    “Hostilities eventually broke out, and in the early 18th century some Ngāi Tahu, led by Pūraho and his sons Maru and Mako, left the North Island for Te Wai Pounamu (the South Island).”
    The fact that Te Rauparaha decimated Nagi Tahu numbers is irrelevant when the treaty was signed they only owned and occupied a tiny portion of the South Island.

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  22. wiseowl (869 comments) says:

    What I do not understand DPF is why you do not want the truth.
    As has been spelled out by other posters what we have been fed about historical settlements doesn’t match the historical truth.
    Someone like yourself should be championing the truth.You have the ability to research the truth.
    Why do you roll over and accept the deception and dishonesty????????

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  23. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    What a cynical lot! All those other full and final settlements were invalid because [insert latest academic/fashionable theory] and THIS round of full and final settlements really WILL be durable..

    Gotta go…large plump poaka flying past the window that would look good in the hangi….

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  24. pq (728 comments) says:

    quote Fararr

    Many Iwi such as Ngai Tahi have gone from grievance mode to achievement mode. ”

    Go on Farrar, please tell us what Ngai Tahu have achieved for their people, what of this wealth have the chiefs shared. Maori down here say its nothing

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  25. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    pq: As Richard Prebble once said, “the average Maori never saw so much as a snapper out of the Sealord deal”…and it’s the same with all the other “full and final” settlements…enrichment for the tribal elite; your average decent Maori joker seeing little or nothing…and it will ever be so….

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  26. Joseph Carpenter (214 comments) says:

    Chris Finlayson is flat out lying. He knows damn well that this Government is still currently secretly negotiating with some Iwi over a future settlement for water rights and Ngai Tahu is front and centre in those negotiating and making a claim – and I have absolutely no doubt it will be a big one. Aren’t we lucky to have a such dishonest lying prick leading the settlement process on the Crown’s behalf.

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  27. Steve (North Shore) (4,547 comments) says:

    Once you own “Park Lane” and “Mayfair” you hit the Bank with Mortgages and “someone else” pays.
    Oh don’t forget the rent gained after the Hotels

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  28. Graeme2 (102 comments) says:

    “Gotta go…large plump poaka flying past the window that would look good in the hangi…”

    Please DG try and save us non Te Reo speakers some time. Had to google Poaka definition. Rather have it on a barbeque than a hangi though.

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  29. pq (728 comments) says:

    you are a propagandist Farrar, its the road downhill, with pretence and deceit, and manufacture and blab.
    You might achieve the Quixote medal of unmerit this way, and that would be bad

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  30. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Perhaps given the near universal cynicism about this really being “the last of the South Island settlements” our gracious host might feel inclined to come on and tell us why he believes that…

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  31. wiseowl (869 comments) says:

    Yes.While the Crusaders are being dealt to by the Highlanders DPF can cogitate on this one and then reveal the truth.

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  32. MT_Tinman (3,136 comments) says:

    Over around 25 years, the settlements will total around $1.5 billion. That is not a huge amount of money considering the Government is spending around $70 billion a year.

    Yes it fucking is!

    This is not spending, as in something that benefits the nation as a whole, this is simple theft, paying off a small, noisy, disreputable group in hope that it will go away.

    It won’t, certainly not until the free money supply runs out.

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  33. Paul Marsden (996 comments) says:

    If you believe this, then you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden. Every body in the entire, legal profession from Finlayson down, have vested, commerical interests ensuring the TOW continues for all eternity

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  34. Jack5 (5,053 comments) says:

    It may be jumping the gun to say South Island Treaty settlements are now complete.

    The original Ngai Tahu settlement was for $170 million, with a clause that entitled Ngai Tahu to a top-up payment once all treaty settlements topped $1 billion.

    I understand the relativity clause for Ngai Tahu is for 16.1 per cent of all treaty settlements over the treaty total of $1 billion, with another 17 per cent for Waikato-Tainui.

    The Government confirmed six months ago that Ngai would now get a $170 million top-up. The question is how many more are to come.

    In the last few months, too, Mark Solomon of Ngai Tahu has been discussing “fresh water from a Ngai Tahu perspective”.

    Incidentally, Tim Watkin reports on Pundit (link below) that in Q and A Solomon said that since settlement in 1994 Ngai Tahu has redistributed “getting up to” quarter of a billion dollars amongst its members. The focus seems to be education, with 981 tertiary scholarships

    Watkin says Mark Solomon made a “striking point” on Q and A in answer to the question: “Do you believe that is iwi’s role, to become the brown social welfare?”

    Solomon’s response, Watkin writes, was:

    No, I do not. I do not believe that at all. Iwi, Maori, like all other citizens of this country. We are taxpayers, and we have the same right to access to Crown funding for social delivery as every other sector of society.

    I’m not sure this squares with Ngai Tahu’s business group exemption from tax as a registered charity. At the Charities Commission web site you will see the Ngai Tahu group registration as a charity covers 35 tribal entities, including, for example: Ngai Tahu Holdings Corporation, Ngai Tahu Property Investments, Ngai Tahu Finance, Ngai Tahu Forestry Estates, Ngai Tahu Seafood, Ngai Tahu Vineyards, etc.

    The link to Watkin at Pundit:

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/should-iwi-become-the-brown-welfare

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  35. pq (728 comments) says:

    Watkin says Mark Solomon made a “striking point” on Q and A to the question: “Do you believe that is iwi’s role, to become the brown social welfare?”
    Solomon’s response, Watkin writes, was:
    No, I do not. I do not believe that at all. Iwi, Maori, like all other citizens of this country. We are taxpayers, and we have the same right to access to Crown funding for social delivery as every other sector of society.

    anyone with guns out there ?

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  36. pq (728 comments) says:

    fuck you Mark Solomon and all you Ngai Tahu leaders

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  37. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    pq: Interesting, isnt it? They are “taxpayers and have the same rights as other citizens…” when it suits them, but “special” for other purposes…

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  38. Jack5 (5,053 comments) says:

    Another reason why Ngai Tahu treaty settlements will continue for a long time: the tribe negotiated first and second purchase rights to all Crown assets held in the South Island at the time of the settlement if and when the Crown decided to sell them. There is no end date to this.

    On the topic of Chris Finlayson and the Ngai Tahu settlement, it maybe worth recalling yet again this from Finlayson’s maiden speech to Parliament on November 17th 2005.

    …For many years I was involved in Treaty litigation. In particular I acted for Ngai Tahu in its claim against the Crown. The proudest moment of my professional career was being at Kaikoura on 21 November 1997 when the former Prime Minister, Jim Bolger, and Sir Tipene O’Regan for Ngai Tahu signed the Deed of Settlement….

    Finlayson seems now to be in an unusual position as Minister of Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, in that he will be the signatory of a top-up payment to Ngai Tahu that he himself negotiated for them.

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  39. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    Hah- This $1.5 billion is just a drop in the bucket.
    Just wait until the Constitution changes and New Zealand become an Apartheid hell-hole…after Parliament has sung Maori songs and patted itself on the back the fun is really going to begin as New Zealand (sorry ‘Aoteroa’) becomes the new Zimbabwe.
    Thankfully I have the resources to get the hell out…God help any non-Maori person who is unfortunate enough to be stuck here.

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  40. Manolo (13,586 comments) says:

    Another nail in Labour Lite’s coffin.

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  41. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    Tarian Turia : Tribes Treaty Claims 1.5% of what was taken. Settlements can’t be full and final.

    Nati apa Treaty Claims. Our young people have taken that settlement through and because I have particular views about settlements I’ve had to remain [“ “] or I’ll put our young people off. But they have worked constructively with our government and they’ve got about 1.5% of what was taken. TT says “no government cant expect people settlements to be full and final if justice isn’t served.”

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/ckpt/2008/09/05/waatea_news

    You will note Willy jackson talking about how much Nghai tahu are owed. It is based on aboriginal title to the whole south island (no less).

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  42. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    I believe it is cashed up iwi’s role to provide welfare topups and subsidise state payments If they can.

    It’s called exercising sovereignty. The proviso being you have to be living within your rohe or committed to doing so, if in study/training outside your tribal boundaries.

    Shouldn’t be too hard for Ngai tahu who ‘own’ Te Waka o Maui eh?

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  43. backster (2,152 comments) says:

    Ngai Tahu haven’t been paid for their water yet.

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  44. pq (728 comments) says:

    gulp

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  45. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    Wait there is more wai 262? The funa and flora
    you also have to factor in all costs of the koha hui and ho ha ongoing

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