Espiner on Gilmore

May 3rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

writes:

In politics, there are two golden rules all MPs must follow when they have behaved like complete and utter prats.

The first is to apologise. Not a qualified apology – you know, “I apologise if I caused offence,” or a Clayton’s apology, where you attempt to bring others into your circle of shame – “I guess we got a little boisterous” – but a full, no-holds-barred, unreserved, fling yourself-on-the-mercy-of-voters mea culpa. 

I agree. The form of the apology made things worse. I don’t know why some people have such a problem apologising. Hell, I’ve had to apologise many times for my various misdeeds. A statement along the lines of

“I apologise to the staff of the Heritage Hotel for my behaviour on Saturday Night. I regret it, and it will not happen again”.

would have seen the issue die.

There isn’t an awful lot Key can do to Gilmore in the short term, given he has no portfolios to be stripped of and no real responsibility for anything besides his account at Bellamy’s. The Heritage Hotel has said it is unlikely to file a complaint that could trigger disciplinary procedures against him.

But list MPs live or die by the party’s favour, and Gilmore shouldn’t expect a particularly high list ranking next year.

It wasn’t a very high ranking in 2011 either. I would be surprised if Aaron is on the party list in 2014.

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88 Responses to “Espiner on Gilmore”

  1. Chuck Bird (4,848 comments) says:

    I wonder if Gilmore paid for the wine or did we?

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  2. tvb (4,366 comments) says:

    Handling this matter is politics 101. Gillmore can even do that. But he is an mp the Government has a small majority so leave it. It is not a hanging offence.

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  3. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    But list MPs live or die by the party’s favour, and Gilmore shouldn’t expect a particularly high list ranking next year.

    Ah, but should he expect any ranking? You can’t be serious in suggesting he actually make it to the list? If the criteria is so low, then perhaps I should try ;-)

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  4. Nigel Kearney (986 comments) says:

    Who let him write his own apology and then didn’t vet it?

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  5. Alan Wilkinson (1,871 comments) says:

    A proven idiot both drunk and sober will certainly not make the list.

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  6. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Aaron just keeps on digging. The hole just got deeper…(12.12pm 3 May)

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/take-the-fb-site-down-aaron-for-goodness-sake/

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  7. tas (623 comments) says:

    Gilmore is a twit and should quietly disappear. That said, Helen Kelley’s reaction is a bit ridiculous. She says “This issue raises questions on the nature of the National Party.” No it doesn’t; he is #53 on the party list. Aaron Gilmore is nobody.

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  8. RRM (9,838 comments) says:

    Apologising to someone is acknowledging that you’ve done something wrong and that you’ve put him or her out, and asking them to graciously forgive you.

    That is why “apologies” of the form: “I apologise for ANY OFFENCE that my actions MAY HAVE CAUSED …” are not an apology at all, they are self-serving bullshit. And probably lies too.

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  9. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Try this Aaron. HOW to apologise.
    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/how-to-apologise-without-being-cleese/

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  10. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    Why is no taxpayer money forthcoming?

    Whenever the Nats apologise they usually spew our money away at the same time.

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  11. dime (9,865 comments) says:

    Its all over. Hope he has a trade to fall back on.

    Unfortunately for this douche bag hes not from the extreme left (labour/ greens). therefor he may struggle to get a sweet overseas posting to compensate for his loss of income.

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  12. Tristan (63 comments) says:

    Is was interesting watching the Shane Jones apology again…he really went all out and completely disarmed the media scrum. They didn’t have any follow up questions after that huge apology.

    And it seems to have worked out quite well for him, he is likely to be the Maori Affairs minister the next time Labour are in government.

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  13. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly makes some fair comment and then gets into silly politics – Unions call for Gilmore to resign

    New Zealand Council of Trade Unions president Helen Kelly said Gilmore’s behaviour toward the waiter demonstrated his ”completely unacceptable attitude”.

    Gilmore had abused a position of power, she said, and shown an ”absolute disregard for the law, and the respect for working people”.

    He had also not considered the impact the ordeal would have on the waiter and his livelihood, she said.

    ”You put yourself in this young person’s position and that’s a very very difficult position to be in.

    ”In a place like Hanmer where employment is not plentiful it’s a huge threat.”

    Kelly believed Gilmore should face serious consequences for his actions.

    So far Kelly is right.

    ”If he won’t resign I think they should kick him out,” she said.

    No, Gilmore is a list MP and can’t be kicked out,. That’s why Brendon Horan remains an MP despite Winston’s disapproval of him.

    ”This issue raises questions on the nature of the National Party.”

    Not really, no more than Kelly getting involved in petty political pointscoring would raise questions about the nature of the Council of Trade Unions.

    This is clearly the actions of one MP who wouldn’t have been returned to Parliament if Kelly’s Labour Party hadn’t done so badly in the last election.

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  14. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Bar tenders get this shit daily from all sorts of people. Normally they just suck it up as part of the job, and it is. If we all got offended every time someone speaks to us then we would spend all day everyday apologizing to everyone we speak to.

    Grow some nuts you useless lot.

    The worst behavoir of the lot is that hopeless pin stripped lefty who called himself Gilmore’s mate. What a fucking wanker he turned out to be.
    Who other than this type shops his “mate”.
    what a scumbag.

    Whats his deal. Want’s Gilmore’s job?
    Just a complaining lefty?

    Guess anyone who dealt with him will go elsewhere. Wouldn’t/couldn’t
    trust the prick anywhere.

    And Trust is the issue.
    Especially as he claims to be a lawyer.

    Open your eyes and see.

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  15. shoreboy57 (140 comments) says:

    Who were the nutters who allowed this idiot anywhere near a list in the first place?

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  16. Alan Wilkinson (1,871 comments) says:

    @Viking2, agreed Gilmore and his mate seem to deserve each other. They obviously have equally bad judgment.

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  17. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I don’t know why some people have such a problem apologising

    People with ego’s find it very difficult to apologise, possibly because ego and emotional inteligence are inversely proportional.

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  18. Neil (579 comments) says:

    In my political experience those in unwinnable seats and far down the list never get within a bulls roar of the Beehive. However when one party has a massive victory it always drags some flotsam with them- Aaron Glimour,Brendan Horan,Richard Prosser and Eugenie Sage are a few of the current ctowd.When Labor/National are close together this won’t happen.
    What does Gilmore do in real life ?

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  19. david (2,557 comments) says:

    What gets up my nose id that ZB keep playing a soundbite of Barrie Soper during the news bulletins in which he prats on about a huge night out because Gilmore consumed 1+half bottles of wine. How many times has big-noting Barrie boasted on air about his nights out with Winston, Paul Holmes and lots of others in some sort of vanity attempt to become famous by association. You can bet your boots that those nights included the consumption of a great deal more liquor than a mere 1+half bottles of wine.

    Having said that, no excuse for Gilmore’s boorish comments and frankly, if he lost it after that relatively modest amount of booze, he should hand in his man card and slink away into the night – somewhere like Palmerston North might have a vacancy.

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  20. Liberty (261 comments) says:

    One of the good things about the list system is that the Party can bring in people
    With talent. When that person would never win an electorate seat.
    But if that person turns out to be Pisshead and a total fuckwit he should be gone.

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  21. Shazzadude (526 comments) says:

    The lawyer guy who dobbed him in wasn’t his mate-he was annoyed to have been reported as such.

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  22. RRM (9,838 comments) says:

    However when one party has a massive victory it always drags some flotsam with them

    ^^^ That right there is one of the best descriptions of the party list mechanism I have ever seen!! :-D

    “Flotsam”, I’m going to use that one.

    I mean that. Genuine respect.

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  23. jaba (2,137 comments) says:

    if acting like a wanker was enough for an MP to lose their job then the place would be emptied pretty quickly.
    From memory, during Clarks 9 long years in power, she had about a dozen MP’s who should have been fired and for far worse things that Gilmour did. (Mallard/Dyson/Dalziel as examples).
    I guess National have higher standards .. Where were the unions during those times?

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  24. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    THIS is how to apologise :)

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  25. GPT1 (2,118 comments) says:

    Get your hand off it Viking2. Riches didn’t start the story. The media got hold of the apology note and asked him to confirm it was his. He did and refused to comment further. Gilmore then brought the group into his poor behaviour – basically suggesting that Riches and others had also acted up. Quite understandably the details of the incident were released – putting the record straight. Are you saying abusing a waiter for refusing to sell alcohol and using the PM’s office as a threat to have him sacked is acceptable?

    If you are perhaps the phrases applied above apply better to you. Certainly your apparent lack of respect for self responsibility seems more suited to the Left.

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  26. Manolo (13,588 comments) says:

    Forget about the lefty hack I-love-and-miss-Helen Barry Soper. Why doesn’t Key ask for Gilmore’s resignation?

    The poor bugger is a walking corpse and will be a liability to Labour Lite until the election, so Gilmore should be forced to step aside immediately.

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  27. Peter (1,699 comments) says:

    Grow some nuts you useless lot.

    We have.

    We regard anyone who says “do you know who I am?” as being a pillock of the highest order. Such a person is probably more than qualified to join Labour, and should do so without hesitation.

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  28. anonymouse (710 comments) says:

    Gilmore is being a duplicitous c@ck about this

    “As a group of diners our behaviour was at times boisterous, …On this occasion I believe as a group our behaviour fell short of this mark, ”

    This “Group” was in fact 4 people , Gilmore and his Partner and Andrew Richie and his partner, .. Richie is the one who ratted Golmore out, so I will leave it up to the reader to deduce what of the other parties were boisterous….

    Gilmore should man up, go down to Hamner springs apologise in person to the staff and management that were there that night, then front the media and apologise for all of this d$cking around with weasel words…

    I mean this should have been a 24 hour story, but this guy’s inept handing of it has seen it drag on for days…..

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  29. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Slightly adapted Malcolm Tucker quote that might fit this situation.

    On being a good spin doctor:

    “I can only cook with what I’ve been given, you know, it’s like ‘Ready, Steady, Cook’, you give me Aaron Gilmore I’ll give you bangers and mash… But if you give me Collins, well, then I can raise it to a fucking risotto and scallops.”

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  30. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    What a ridiculous side show this is. He showed some bad form after a few drinks. It is only of concern to the person involved and is says nothing at all about his ability as a politician.

    Lighten up prudes. People are arseholes all the time, especially Green and Labour politicians.

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  31. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I hate a drinking companion, says the Greek proverb, who never forgets. The follies of the last debauch should be buried in eternal oblivion, in order to give full scope to the follies of the next.

    David Hume – An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding.

    Leave Gilmore alone. Most people do mildly regrettable things when they’ve had a few too many.

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  32. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    We regard anyone who says “do you know who I am?” as being a pillock of the highest order.

    Being nobody in particular, I do this all the time to bamboozle folk.

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  33. Paulus (2,608 comments) says:

    What part did the “partners” of the two men have to play in this ?

    I know that if I was behaving badly anywhere in public I would soon be called out to STFU inn no uncertain way by my wife (“partner”).

    Could they have been party to this raucous party behaviour allowing Twit Gilmour to show off – nah New Zealand women are not like that.

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  34. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Oh dear, now the Unions are getting involved (Gilmore). This just won’t lay down and die.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/now-its-more-political-gilmore-fix-bayonets/

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  35. Mark (1,480 comments) says:

    Perhaps Key could change the seating arrangements in parliament so that Horan and Gilmore are seated together in Twats Row

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  36. first time caller (384 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly says…Gilmore had abused a position of power, she said, and shown an ”absolute disregard for the law and respect for working people”.

    He had not considered the impact the ordeal would have on the waiter and his livelihood, she said.

    So this is the same Helen Kelly that had such a high regard for the thousands of workers at Weta and Park Rd Post when she tried to stop The Hobbit??

    Sorry, Gilmore is a complete cabbage but she really has no credibility trying to suggest he had no regard for the impact of the waiter’s livelihood! Really? Pot, kettle, black.

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  37. Yvette (2,785 comments) says:

    They won’t attack Gilmore after their own Ruth “rehab” Dyson failed a breath test and was booted out of cabinet by Clark in 2000.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/young-labour-go-nasty-again/#more-93369

    I find it hard to believe Labour is constrained for fear of Dyson’s misdemeanor being discussed again, but mentioning that, how did Gilmore depart the scene – does a man who says “Don’t you know who I am” get his wife to drive him – or would he drive himself, pissed as he was that he couldn’t tell the difference between the man he accused of being a dickhead, and the arsehole he himself was being?

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  38. Zapper (1,019 comments) says:

    I Assume Helen Kelly will be calling for the Labour Party to sack Ruth Dyson? Albeit several years late, but surely she doesn’t have double standards?

    Gilmore should go too, or at least not be added to the list next year. What a dickhead.

    “Do you know who I am?”
    Waiter: Why would I know who you are? What have you achieved?
    “Ummmm…”

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  39. Peter (1,699 comments) says:

    A: “Do you know who I am? ”
    W: “Aren’t you that weatherman from NZ First?”

    Close enough.

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  40. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    I thought this Gilmore guy had longer hair?
    I am really looking forward to seeing him at the Sanfrancisco Bathhouse on Wednesday :-)

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  41. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Surely a quiet hundy$$ slipped to the waiter would have sorted this out then and there FFS !

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  42. RRM (9,838 comments) says:

    To quote the immortal words of forum user ‘Harriet':

    Wanking as we know involves closing the fist around a penis. The hand has an opening at each end to contain the penis in.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/03/still_husband_and_wife_not_just_spouses.html/comment-page-1#comment-1105238

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  43. Yvette (2,785 comments) says:

    OK, silly me [2.17pm comment] – the bugger was at a conference and probably would be driving nowhere.

    So that just leaves his major crime being the weasel words of a ‘group’ apology – the ‘group’ did it, we’re all to blame, aren’t they – which Prime Minister Key swallowed totally and regurgitated to news crews.

    And that of course begs revisiting Key’s total acceptance of John Banks explanation of his circumstances.

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  44. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    Notice how National Party cheerleader DPF did a “qualified” condemnatory post against Gilmore originally yesterday omitting the fact that he did a half assed apology, selectively quoting from the article parts which did not show the full apology where Gilmore blames the group in an attempt to make Gilmore look not as bad, then today after the issue is far more prominent did a post detailing the qualified apology.

    Let’s also not forget the recent post doing a qualified condemnatory post against Hooton, focusing the substance of the attack on some random left-wing hypocrite in order to take attention off Hooton’s incredulous insensitivity. Again, attempting to shift the focus in order to make Hooton’s stupid tweet sound not as bad as it did.

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  45. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Key talking a wee bit tougher…

    @katieabradford

    John Key continues to stand by Aaron Gilmore. Says if a formal complaint made and Gilmore has misled his office, that’d be a serious issue.

    Key says Gilmore “behaved badly” & he’s “very disappointed” in him. Says there’s claim & counter claim. Stronger language than yesterday.

    And a suggestion…

    ‏@elliottnz

    If Maurice Williamson is going on Ellen perhaps Aaron Gilmore should go on Dr. Phil.

    Maybe he could stay in the US, surely New Zealand is too small for him anyway.

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  46. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    IrishBill picked up on one thing Espiner said that hasn’t been quoted here:

    The trouble for National is that Gilmore has played up to exactly the sort of born-to-rule Tory, I’m-more-important-than-you stereotype that John Key has worked so hard to dismantle.

    And he and Standardistas are pushing this to suggest that all of the Government share the same “I’m-more-important-than-you” attributes that Gilmore displayed. Or as ‘fatty’ says,

    Irishbill’s point is that Gilmore has exposed National’s self-righteous assumption of their own superiority.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/giving-the-game-away/

    If this is fair game then it’s also fair to label Captain Mumblefuck’s followers as Private Mumblefuckers.

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  47. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Going back up thread a bit…someone said those with big egos find apologising very difficult…I beg to differ. Of all the many sins I have been accused of, “not having a big enough ego” is certainly not one of them…but then in all fairness, anyone who becomes a poli must have a bigger than average ego since one is, by definition, saying: “I am one of 120 people in this country who by virtue of ABC and my numerous qualities, of which XYZ is but a small selection, am qualified to make laws affecting the rest of you.”

    Well, my ego is bigger than many if not as big as some, but I have never had a problem issuing a heartfelt apology when the circumstances warranted it…and sadly there have been a few such occasions in my life. I actually rather enjoy the righteous feeling of having issued a totally unqualified apology when I was in the wrong…you should try it Aaron…it will make you feel a bigger and better man. And it might just save your career.

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  48. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    And just because it’s funny – it seems that the best Standard example of “I’m-more-important-than-you” thinks he’s not only an expert programmer, but he is also a sleeping expert at making money:

    FFS I did a MBA nearly 30 years ago. Do you think that I have forgotten how to beat the market since that training in finance? It simply isn’t hard. It is also something that is quite boring compared to almost every other activity…

    It is only a complete fool (or the archetypal National loyalist) that thinks that the required degree in personal selfishness and greed to be blind to other people has much to do with skill sets.

    Just imagine, he could be rich and have the best blog if he wanted.

    But ‘Paul’ seems a bit confused.

    Hence the arrogance and superiority within true Nat believers..you only have to read through an average Standard thread just to see this contemptuous and smug approach.

    I don’t think he was as clear as he meant to be.

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  49. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Did you know he requires family members to call him “Lynn Prentice MBA”?

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  50. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    “And it might just save your career.”

    i think that ship has sailed.

    By staying he just gives Labour a target to throw shit at for the next 18 months, plays right into their arrogant toffs meme.

    Key should have fired his ass, not for the incident, but for the appallingly botch of the apology.

    Who’s next on the list anyway ?

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  51. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    Expect more of this trivial non-news for the terminally gullible as the msm tells NZ what to think about National politicians.

    I said it would work and it does, as evidenced by the comments above. And this is from a bunch of folks who are way more savvy than many people.

    Ba Baaaaaaa go the sheeple.

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  52. Yvette (2,785 comments) says:

    So now there are two Gilmore apologies.
    One which said ‘the group did it’, and which the Prime Minister seemed to quote more or less verbatim on ONE NEWS last night.

    And now another which contradicts that –
    “I wish to offer my wholehearted apology for my comments given to a barman following a recent private dinner. They were inappropriate.”
    He said, given recent media comments, he wished to make clear the offending comments were his and did not come from others in his group.

    It would be nice now if the Prime Minister could clear up the apparently wrong impression his repetition of the first apology has given and also ask Gilmore if he did in fact say that he, Mr Key, could be involved in the wine waiter’s dismissal, which may be the lie that Key is hoping no one told.

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  53. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    Pete, you highlight this, and the only reason I can think of is the issue I have with the self righteous bit:

    “Irishbill’s point is that Gilmore has exposed National’s self-righteous assumption of their own superiority.”

    Of COURSE we look down at them. They are fucking socialists and wannabe academics, I mean, HELLO!

    Edit: Lyn P has an MBA? Oh god, Im giving mine back now, please tell me its a Waikato

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  54. Kimble (4,434 comments) says:

    If I was a nothing politicians and I aspired to more, I wouldn’t immediately dismiss the opportunity that relatively minor poor public behaviour would offer.

    You can win an election on name recognition. You can win an election on people reckoning you’re a decent bloke.

    Combine the two; get your name in your paper and then issue an unreserved, witty, self-deprecating apology that shows youre a genuine guy.

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  55. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Aaron Gilmore’s Facbook has been taken down. At least one person appears to be reading my blog (and “a really important politician” at that! …

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/mp-aaron-gilmores-facebook-down/

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  56. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    First world problems.

    Someone made a dick of themselves on the piss. No harm done.

    Life is good :)

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  57. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Sorry Kea, I hve to disagree. While it is certainly not the crime of the century, he has reinforced the impression the public already have about politicians: that they are all pompous, self important twats who think the office itself – as opposed to what they do while holding it – confers some exalted status. The reality, thankfully, is that very few polis are like that – perhaps rather more on the “progressive” side of the house, but still few – but Gilmore has further sullied an already disreputable job.

    (and before the inevitable dickhead starts telling us I did the same thing by my actions, it’s rather difficult to sully an office you are not destined to hold for 27 years in the future) It’s what you do once you have sworn that oath of allegiance to the Queen that matters…and Gilmore has sullied that office rather badly.

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  58. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    GPT1 (1,941) Says:
    May 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Get your hand off it Viking2. Riches didn’t start the story. The media got hold of the apology note and asked him to confirm it was his. He did and refused to comment further. Gilmore then brought the group into his poor behaviour – basically suggesting that Riches and others had also acted up. Quite understandably the details of the incident were released – putting the record straight. Are you saying abusing a waiter for refusing to sell alcohol and using the PM’s office as a threat to have him sacked is acceptable?

    If you are perhaps the phrases applied above apply better to you. Certainly your apparent lack of respect for self responsibility seems more suited to the Left.

    ====================
    Frankly couldn’t care less if people behave badly and care even less that stupid clowns with time to waste prattle on like women at the tub over the behavoir.
    The person who could possibly be offended was the barperson and it is for them to expect an apology.
    That some other twat decides to make a great issue for the dumb and stupid to make a noise over tells us more about his small minded mentallity than his ability to mind his own fucking business.
    That countless other mindless lefties et al spend two days wringing their hands like demented women tells us that NZ is really in bad shape.

    Clearly to many of you have spent your life in a monestery rather than working in a freezing works or a rugby team.
    Poor wee souls.

    And what the fuck has my personal responsibility got to do with a pratt that drinks too much?
    I don’t behave that way.

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  59. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Christ Garret you’re going soft in the head.
    Politicians have behaved that way since time immorial.
    Could name a few for you from over the last 50 years.
    They even behave that way towards one another in the house let alone outside of it.
    At least he didn’t try to deck someone like Tau and Mallard etc
    Or rip someone off like Clark or the taxpayers like Clark and Peters did. We could go on and on about shit politicans.

    Stop defending the indefensible.

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  60. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Viking: Drinking and commenting dont mix old son…you start off telling me I am “going soft in the head” for saying Gilmore’s behaviour is not acceptable, then finish by saying “Stop defending the indefensible” Which is it? Is it OK because it’s been happening “since time immorial (sic.)” or is it “indefensible”? It can’t be both….

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  61. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    David Garrett (3,673) Says:
    May 3rd, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    Sorry Kea, I hve to disagree.

    Join the line ! I am getting pissed on by all sides here ;)

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  62. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    And just to be clear (getting the childrens’ tea while also trying to comment here) it’s not the getting liquored up that is the unacceptable conduct – we’ve all done that – it’s invoking the PM’s office by threatening to get the bloke sacked that crosses the line by a wide margin…FFS I even find myself with some sympathy for the unions’ line on this one…Imagine you’re a young guy from Hanmer Springs – hardly a metropolis – and you’re working at a hotel catering to the attendees of a National Party function…some pompous drunken twat tells you if you dont bring him some more champers he will call the PM’s office and have you fired, and shows you his card which says he is an MP…I dont know if the waiter was a young guy, but he may well have been…not cricket…

    Let’s put it another way…if I had done that, Hide would have torn be another one…two if he’d just been powerlifting…and rightly so

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  63. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Politicans are indefensible DG.

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  64. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    FFS I even find myself with some sympathy for the unions’ line on this one…

    Imagine you’re a young guy from Hanmer Springs – hardly a metropolis – and you’re working at a hotel catering to the attendees of a National Party function…some pompous drunken twat tells you if you dont bring him some more champers he will call the PM’s office and have you fired, and shows you his card which says he is an MP…I dont know if the waiter was a young guy, but he may well have been.

    Anyone with an once of brain power would know that the clown was completely unable to do this.
    That Gilomour was stupid enough to behave this way is correct but FFS HTFU.
    As for the pin stripe who shopped his mate or fellow party member whatever.

    Ya just donn’t do that at all. Well sometimes kiddies do.

    Don’t get in a trench with him. He belongs to the left.

    Oh he is in the left, I forgot.

    Actually , if I was Key I would be asking that pratt to go join the tittle tattle party. After all all he has done is cause grief for the PM by his very actions.
    Stupid prick.

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  65. big bruv (13,727 comments) says:

    DG..

    Well said. BTW, do you still get on OK with Rodney?

    I wish Rodney would get a full time gig with Radio Live, he sure is better than those wankers Garner and Plunket.

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  66. davidp (3,580 comments) says:

    This guy is an expendable List MP with no current responsibilities, and who won’t be trusted with any responsibilities in the future. He has been caught out being an arse. He was given a chance of ending the issue with a proper apology, but he was such an arse he couldn’t even do that. He has now been in the news for a couple of days.

    Key or the party whips need to force him to resign from parliament. The advantages of doing this is that Key can make the case that behaviour that is acceptable in Labour or NZ First is not acceptable in National. It also allows someone to replace him who isn’t an arse, and therefore might take their responsibilities as an MP seriously. The story goes away. There are no disadvantages.

    NZ First has had Horen hanging around like a bad smell for the last few months. I’d hope that by now, parties have signed letters of resignation available for all their List MPs.

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  67. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Nope they should nail the title tattler. Without him none of this would have caused grief.

    Not to say that privately Gilmour should be given a nut tearing experience. But in the end he is his own person and stands or falls on that.

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  68. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Campbell Live did a trashy number on Gilmore tonight. All it proved was that once the media smell blood the sharks more than just circle.

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  69. Yvette (2,785 comments) says:

    Gilmore’s own Facebook page is apparently gone, but not –
    Facebook AARON GILMORE FOR PRIME MINISTER
    https://www.facebook.com/AG4PM
    “They say politics is tough, but I just make shit up so it’s not that hard.”

    Many a true word is spoken in jest

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  70. Yvette (2,785 comments) says:

    davidp – you give several reasons why Gilmour should be dumped

    but then Key and National are dead scared that if he is cut lose, he may not go –
    and the margin is too narrow – John Banks all over again

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  71. Jacob Cohen (46 comments) says:

    Abusing a waiter for refusing to sell alcohol and using the PM’s office as a threat to have him sacked.
    It happened or it didn’t.
    So who is the liar – Gilmore or Riches?
    Be interesting to see if Riches now feels challenged enough to sue for defamation.

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  72. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Key is going to regret not sacking this “blokey”. The waiter/hotel is not backing his story. It’s fulminating…

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  73. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    I haven’t seen Gilmore deny anything. He tried to spread the blame and diminish his involvement initially, but his last apology…

    I wish to offer my wholehearted apology for my comments given to a barman following a recent private dinner. They were inappropriate and given recent media comments wish to make clear the offending were due to my comments and not those of any one of my friends. I am sorry for any offense taken by the hotel staff and others. I have written a formal apology to the Hotel and the Prime Minister. I am also sorry that this behavior has brought shame to me, my family, friends and my work as a MP. The whole episode has been a learning lesson and I wish to move on.

    …says he caused the offense, and he doesn’t dispute any of the specifics.

    Many people want him to move on – from his current employment. Already ranked the lowest of all National MPs his use in Parliament looks likely to diminish, if that is possible.

    It would be better for National to be able to give someone who might have a political future some experience for eighteen months.

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  74. Johnboy (16,077 comments) says:

    Lowering blood alcohol limits to zero for all serving MP’s should solve the problem! :)

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  75. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    If that quote within Lieut. Sensible’s post at 9.11 is an accurate transcription, the Nats have really cut him loose…The grammar is terrible, and the writing itself is even worse. He’s had no help drafting that….His career is over as soon as the election is called if not sooner.

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  76. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    DG – it’s all here: http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/aarons-contradictory-apologies/

    The above quote was posted on Gilmore’s Facebook at am this morning. Both his Facebook and Twitter are longer accessible. If he lasts the next 18 months as an MP it could be a lonely pointless time for him.

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  77. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    In my dreams I imagine Malcolm Tucker having a piece of this toe-rag.

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  78. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    Wow, what a small minded self absorbed bunch of wankers !

    I am way more concerned about the reaction than the behaviour one night after a few drinks. He was sober in the morning, and you were all still prudish wankers without a life.

    There really is no come back from this fake display of offence. Die soon.

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  79. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    Smells like rubbernecking an accident to me.

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  80. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    Griff, yep. It is the beginning of a shit to discredit National.

    He was out of line and I strongly dislike high handed behaviour, but the reaction is manufactured.

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  81. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    Jackels kea cluster round squabbling over “their” kill.
    Every once and a while most normal persons put a foot out of line. Politicians are by definition egotists
    It was a very expensive display of drunken arrogance for Gilmore.

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  82. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    @Griff. Well said, but not jackels, vultures.

    @Kea. Yes, dopey blokey behaves like arse to waiter (usually waitress). Deny story to PM? Key accepts that. He looks foolish too now.

    The media vultures smell death
    Too much alcohol on his breath
    Ought to have chosen humble pie
    Not threaten the waiter: “Do or die”
    He’s naught but a resignation to bequeath.

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  83. Mark (1,480 comments) says:

    Kea (3,933) Says:
    May 4th, 2013 at 12:00 am
    Griff, yep. It is the beginning of a shit to discredit National.

    He was out of line and I strongly dislike high handed behaviour, but the reaction is manufactured.

    Kea, Gilmore was a twat, and a gutless one at that given he was endeavouring to implicate others, and is getting the reaction from both the media and the public that he deserves.

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  84. Kea (12,421 comments) says:

    Mark, the “outrage” is manufactured by the media. That is my concern.

    I am tired of the media telling us that; “New Zelanders are outraged” or their are “concerns” over various matters, when if fact most people don’t give a shit or think the opposite.

    This reached plague proportions during the dark years of the Klark regime. We were continually being told that NZers want this or that, when in fact they did not. The media are manufacturing opinion. I just went down the shop and some rag had this non-event as front page news. Again !

    You are being played.

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  85. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Andrew Riches:

    He threatened to have the Prime Minister’s Office intervene and end the waiter’s employment.

    John Key:

    My Chief of Staff has rung Mr Gilmore this afternoon and Mr Gilmore refuted the allegation.

    Mr Gilmore indicated that he did not believe that he used the words claimed in Mr Riches statement.

    Aaron Gilmore (in the original news item):

    he was “not aware” of being rude or making the alleged comments to the barman.

    He could not be sure if he or another member of his party told the waiter to “stop being a dickhead” while discussing liquor-licensing laws.“I don’t know if that was said by me or another colleague. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t me.”

    He later said, “It may well have been me.”

    However, he later retracted the comment.

    Gilmore has made a stupid arrogant incident into a more serious issue of the Prime Minister’s trust and confidence in an MP. His credibility is highly questionable due to changing stories and apologies.

    Conflicting Gilmore claims

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  86. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Mark, the “outrage” is manufactured by the media. That is my concern.

    The media, eventually, is overdoing it, as they do. But it is serious political issue, as Andrew Riches recognised from the start – and Gilmore kept digging the hole.

    And much of the outrage on this has come from right leaning and National leaning blogs and media commentators. Gilmore is toxic amongst his own.

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  87. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    @Kea. Our perspectives differ on various matters but, sorry, you are just plain wrong on this one. I expect a man to lie to get himself off the hook sometimes, but in this case there were witnesses to his boorish behaviour. Which was bad enough but is ultimately not the point.

    The only thing for him to do was go on TV and weep. “I am going through a bad patch … sob blah blah … forgive me … blah blah sob …”

    Instead he though he could possibly lie to the PM. His judgment is appalling. Come on, Kea, you know that.

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  88. Dennis Horne (2,388 comments) says:

    Key handled it badly too. He should have distanced himself from this: “Aaron has told me he didn’t do it; if I find he did he’ll resign.”

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