Greens see racism everywhere

May 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The Green Party has called the independent report on the 2007 Urewera raids damning and said a dramatic overhaul of police culture was still needed.

The review, released today, labelled police actions ”unlawful, unjustified and unreasonable”.

The party’s police spokesman, Dave Clendon, said it was not okay to “descend like masked ninjas” on a small community, adding that police thinking about the raids had not fundamentally changed.

He believed racial discrimination played a part on the abuse of rights and illegal detention of innocent people.

“Would the police have raided Remuera in Auckland, or Khandallah in Wellington in the same way?” he asked.

Ummm. Engage brain before operating mouth,

Can anyone think of a high profile raid a couple of years ago in Coatesville? One that involved armed police and helicopters? I’m pretty sure the targets were not Maori, but German and Finnish.

And according to the 2006 census, the ethnicity of Coatesville is 80% European, 4% Maori, 3% Asian and 12% other so the claim from the is quite unfounded.

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71 Responses to “Greens see racism everywhere”

  1. david (2,557 comments) says:

    why oh why can’t the media challenge this drivel at source rather than mindlessly putting it out to the public?

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  2. anonymouse (715 comments) says:

    I was fairly sure that the police raided a certain house in Abel Smith street as part of this operation,

    Which is pretty much smack bang in the middle of white-hipster-ville

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  3. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    I have an idea for an excellent B movie now.

    In fact I can see the poster already:

    Grotesquely fat white playboy millionaire, with a machine gun in each hand. Alongside him, his unlikely comrade-in-arms, a scarily-tattooed and almost as fat darky, also with a machine gun in each hand, and belts of ammo crossing his chest.

    Both coming at you all barrels blazing, out of a background of a burning cityscape and cop helicopters taking shots at them. While sinister crooked police chief looks on sinisterly from behind a pair of aviators, and 4 days’ worth of stubble, and a good suit worn in an “I don’t care” style….

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  4. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Did the police put roadblocks around Coatesville and search all the people coming in and out?

    [DPF: The Police acted wrongly in the Urerewa case. But what I am responding to is Clendon's claim they would not send in armed ninjas to other areas. They did.

    I suspect a big difference is that only one property was involved in Coatesville, not multiple]

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  5. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Comparing the Dotcom raid to the Ruatoki one is ridiculous. The former involved one house. The latter involved roadblocking an entire town, the population of which is overwhelmingly Maori.

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  6. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Can anyone think of a high profile raid a couple of years ago in Coatesville?

    Yeah I can think of one in the last 40 years. I guess that disproves Clendon’s point. Somehow.

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  7. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    The Greens are a race and class enemy to the majority of New Zealanders.

    A ‘Green” vote is a vote against white middle class New Zealand.

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  8. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Comparing the Dotcom raid to the Ruatoki one is ridiculous. The former involved one house. The latter involved roadblocking an entire town, the population of which is overwhelmingly Maori.

    A mere technicality :)

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  9. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    I still have not heard a single plausible explanation on what these morons where doing with their guns and bombs .. can anybody PLEASE help?

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  10. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Fucken stupid greens. End of story

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  11. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    The police roadblocked Aramoana on 13/11/1990. Not many Maoris living down there… ;-)

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  12. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    I ‘m sure if Kyle Chapman and his mates were overheard talking about attacking things/people and indeed seen running around the bush with guns and bombs he/they would also be subject to entense police attention.
    What shits me about all this is that the negative attention the cops are getting could mean they hesitate in future and a terriost attck does happen under our noses .. where will TOAD and the like be then I wonder

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  13. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    I was fairly sure that the police raided a certain house in Abel Smith street as part of this operation,

    Which is pretty much smack bang in the middle of white-hipster-ville

    Yep. But no roadblocks. No detained school children. In that area.

    This is Clendon’s point: when they raid places in one area, largely Maori, they lock down the whole community, take photographs of everyone in the area etc.

    When they do it in the white area you point out, they do it completely differently, just focusing on the house and criminals, not on everyone else.

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  14. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Clendon Twerp !

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  15. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    Now look here, I’m as appalled as anyone about the way the Police conducted themselves in course of their operation –

    (Er, wait a minute! Actually i’m not appalled atall!!)

    The main point that struck me about all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth and ‘mea culpas’ arising out of the Police operation in the Ureweras is that, now it’s all over, everyone seems to be forgetting that the focus of the operation was on what to all intents and purposes was an embryonic armed uprising – or, at least, an armed gesture of some sort – by a bunch of people whose behaviour required a short sharp response. (That they were clearly soft in the head is neither here nor there.)

    What if they’d been left to carry on? What if some innocent citizen(s) had eventually been hurt or even died through some irresponsible cowboy-like behaviour by one of Iti’s crowd?

    It’s said that eternal vigilance is the price of freedom – and if the dangerous behaviour of a few nut-cases indirectly inconvenienced some of their neighbours through necessary reactive legitimate law enforcement – then so be it.

    That’s all part of that ‘price of freedom’.

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  16. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @kowtow 12:24 pm

    A ‘Green” vote is a vote against white middle class New Zealand.

    No, it is a vote against bigotry and prejudice. Although perhaps in the circles in which you move, kowtow, there is not much difference.

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  17. Nigel Kearney (1,013 comments) says:

    FFS they are talking about the treatment of people not involved and who were not targets or suspected of any wrong doing. Who just happened to live in the same town as the suspects. Maybe the approach used was necessary, but I think a reasonable person might wonder if a raid on a property in Remuera would include similar treatment of the neighbours.

    Having said that, somebody should compile a list of things that are now racist. Just a couple I have noticed recently:
    – Giving an IQ test to a job applicant
    – Offering somebody fried chicken
    – Displaying your country’s flag

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  18. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    This is Clendon’s point: when they raid places in one area, largely Maori, they lock down the whole community, take photographs of everyone in the area etc.

    When they do it in the white area you point out, they do it completely differently, just focusing on the house and criminals, not on everyone else.

    Isn’t that just a function of the fact that operation 8 was targetting a suspected armed, MAORI nationalist militant group of uncertain size?

    As opposed to one fat fuck (and his 3 mates) sitting in his counting house, counting his money?

    Yep. But no roadblocks. No detained school children. In that area.

    Armed insurrection is big boys’ stuff. I’m not surprised the authorities didn’t muck around.

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  19. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Isn’t that just a function of the fact that operation 8 was targetting a suspected armed, MAORI nationalist militant group of uncertain size?

    As opposed to one fat fuck (and his 3 mates) sitting in his counting house, counting his money?

    In Abel Smith Street?

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  20. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Armed insurrection is big boys’ stuff. I’m not surprised the authorities didn’t muck around.

    Armed insurrection (or conspiring to have an armed insurrection) would be treason. The police have never ever stated that they were looking at treason charges. So perhaps the police didn’t think they were looking at an armed insurrection.

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  21. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    Sorry I’m still thinking of Dotcom.

    Presumably there were grounds for believing the people involved in the bum house in Abel Smith Street were not armed and dangerous?

    And yes I mean ‘armed insurrection” in the very loose sense of a bunch of fuckers with guns and some sort of plan to do something other than a bank robbery, against the govt. Not in the strict sense.

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  22. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    detained school children? OMG!!!!!! DETAINED!!!

    those poor kids. no doubt their lives are now ruined and will end up needing compensation until their dying day.

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  23. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Presumably there were grounds for believing the people involved in the bum house in Abel Smith Street were not armed and dangerous?

    They went in with the AOS.

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  24. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    anyone else find it strange how many maori are speaking out baout the detained children? how bad it was etc

    some maori baby gets beaten to death by a proud tribal warrior and there is silence.

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  25. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    This is Clendon’s point: when they raid places in one area, largely Maori, they lock down the whole community, take photographs of everyone in the area etc.

    You say “when they raid” is if it’s a modus operandi. Are there more examples of this raiding strategy that could be linked to the ethnicity of those being raided or is this a one off?

    No chance that’s it related to the geography of the area? I’m pretty sure they closed off the gates at the Coatesville mansion, if there are only two roads out of Ruatoki and you’re worried about the targets of your raids fleeing, it doesn’t seem unreasonable. Plenty of the actions to do with the raids did sound unreasonable, just like the Coatesville raid, but conflating that with massive institutional racism is a pretty nasty card to play politically.

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  26. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    The far left has a lot of trouble understanding what is and is not racism. Personally I find people who see racism everywhere very annoying. With teenagers it is now common to declare any perceived injustice against them to be ‘racist’ regardless of what race they are or who is supposedly being unfair. The word has become synonymous with ‘unfair.’

    I for one really dislike being called racist for stating that all people should be treated equally under the law regardless of their race or ethnicity.

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  27. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    detained school children? OMG!!!!!! DETAINED!!!

    Read the report, and get back to us when you are willing to let your kids go through the same ordeal.

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  28. RRM (9,920 comments) says:

    They went in with the AOS.

    Sorry you’ve obviously read this in a lot more detail than I have.

    I think it’s drawing a very long bow to look at operational details of how the police approached two dangerous situations, and say that in one scene they had armed cops plus a cordon, at the other scene they only had armed cops and no cordon, therefore there is institutional racism in the police.

    When there could have been any number of nuts & bolts technical details around the two operations that could explain why one scene required a different response than the other.

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  29. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    I’m amused disturbed to see the number of people here trying to justify actions that the Independent Police Conduct Authority determined were “unlawful, unjustified and unreasonable”.

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  30. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “……The party’s police spokesman, Dave Clendon, said it was not okay to “descend like masked ninjas” on a small community, adding that police thinking about the raids had not fundamentally changed……”

    Idiot!

    That’s coming from the police spokesman for a political party who’s entire voting base has appeared before the courts!

    For spitting at police.

    Assualting police.

    Disobeying police.

    Swearing at police.

    Destroying police property.

    Vandalism of public property.

    Graffitti.

    Hindering businesses and individuals from going about their lawful business.

    Sabotage of private business property and assets.

    Drug taking.

    Endangering life on the open seas.

    Well Clendon, it’s not okay for the Greens to descend on the police and the public like a bunch of hooligans, vandals & thugs either! Grow up! :cool:

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  31. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    I think it’s drawing a very long bow to look at operational details of how the police approached two dangerous situations, and say that in one scene they had armed cops plus a cordon, at the other scene they only had armed cops and no cordon, therefore there is institutional racism in the police.

    I agree. The comparison may raise questions, but it doesn’t get close to providing answers.

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  32. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    Yes Toad at 12.53, but those comments referred to the peripheral conduct, not the principle reason for the operation. I’m one who will always believe the police acted correctly in mounting the operation. It is a shame the peripheral activity caused some disquiet though.

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  33. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    @ Nigel Kearney (358) Says:
    May 23rd, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    “Giving an IQ test to a job applicant”

    How is that racist?

    It would be good if one was given to all prospective judges and senior police officers.

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  34. noskire (842 comments) says:

    dime (6,237) Says:
    May 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    detained school children? OMG!!!!!! DETAINED!!!

    those poor kids. no doubt their lives are now ruined and will end up needing compensation until their dying day.

    dime, compensation will need to be at the least extended to several generations of the affected whanau for this gratuitous, unlawful and outrageous assault of civil liberties and emotional distress.

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  35. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    The Greens are biased:

    Kerry Tankard will be well known to some readers.

    She is a Wellington based anarchist, connected to the 128 Abel Smith Street crowd. She also worked with three of the “Urewera 17″ Simon/Rongomai Bailey, Emily Bailey and Marama Mayrick, on the anarchist/Green Party supported radical environmentalist film Kotahi Ao.

    Tankard, is also a Green Party activist and often posts on Green Forum under the name Katie.

    She posted this on Green Forum, the day after the October 15th anti terror raids.

    Location: Aro Valley, Wellington

    Activist arrests in Wellington Posted: 16 Oct 2007 21:36

    In the interests of supporting those who have been arrested, discussions were held last night at 128 Able Smith St.

    I am re-posting a statement verbatim from Indymedia Collective, as a response to those who are concerned or confused about what is being said in media and local gossip.

    Quote:

    This morning I opened the herald to see what the bullshit the media were spinning about the raids and saw a comment allegedly from a flatmate of one of the activists arrested yesterday in Auckland.

    I thought it would be obvious not to comment to the media but apparently not.

    I guess I just want to remind people not to talk amongst themselves and speculate and especially do not talk to the media. They are not your friends and they will use you to get the inside scoop.

    This was obvious in another article I got forwarded this morning from Bomber’s blog. He was sniffing around last night at Unite and had cornered some less experienced activists and was asking them what was going on…

    As someone quite rightly put it last night....’if not one talks, everyone walks’.

    It is not gossip it is fucken serious and some of our comrades are facing a long time behind bars, it would be good if people could remember that.

    Now is an important time to remember AND PRACTISE those good old rules about security culture and solidarity!

    The media are easy to ignore however the filth is a different story and it is likely that they will want to ‘talk’ to some people. If you are concerned about this and don’t know what your rights are etc… please seek the advise of an experienced activist who you TRUST. Maybe we need to have a workshop around this sometime in the next few days so that everyone is confident.

    Love and solidarity!

    Please respect the very serious position that the arrests have put some of our very dear friends in.

    We have already seen a former policeman, Detective John Dewar, convicted for perverting the course of justice in the Shipton/Schollum/Rickards case; we know they lie.

    The case at hand is under District Court strictures, there are suppression orders in place. We would prefer activists not to be branded as terrorists, in the face of Police PR and dubiously executed search warrants, and media clutching at straws to create a “good story”.

    To all who have offered support, thanks on behalf of activists who do not have access to these forums. A legal fund has been started, and practical support for the arrestees on remand has begun.

    Kerry Tankard

    (Katie)

    Member

    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2007/12/evidence-of-green-partyanarchist.html

    “The appalling” [my neighbour called him that] Keith Locke:

    “I would feel much more comfortable in the company of those arrested in the raids (including my good friend Rangitai Bailey) than I would among some of my fellow MP’s in Parliament” “…if people are looking for political violence they should look there” “were are winning the war of public opinion..”

    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/09/green-party-file-3-keith-locke-supports.html

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  36. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Apprehending that his question may not be rhetorical, one is happy to assure Mr Clendon that the good folk of Khandallah have sufficient regard for the law, although one rascally gentleman was once seen putting his rubbish out earlier than allowed by Wellington City Council. Thus, the very prospect of a raid in that suburb is unthinkable. One does not purport to answer the question insofar as it relates to Remuera. But one does doubt that in deciding whether to conduct any form of raid, the Police first check on house values, school deciles, or local ethnicity demographics.

    One also extends a warm invitation to Mr Clendon to boil his stupid head. RSVP.

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  37. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “A ‘Green” vote is a vote against white middle class New Zealand.”

    Is that true? If you can convince me I might consider voting for them!

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  38. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Presumably there were grounds for believing the people involved in the bum house in Abel Smith Street were not armed and dangerous?”

    While that’s true, if the police believed that, then the search warrant they had issued to search for firearms and explosives was invalid and the raid unlawful.

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  39. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Read the report, and get back to us when you are willing to let your kids go through the same ordeal.”

    flicked through the report. ummm sounds scary!?

    “some children had to stand in front of the car they were traveling in and have their picture taken”. my god. just awful stuff.

    “some children were distressed at seeing the armed police” – i cant believe the children had to see cops with guns. those poor little buggas

    “children were detained during searches of houses” – once again, terrible. they should have been free to go outside and play or go next oor or walk around. that would have been much safer.

    thats basically what i picked up by searching the word “children” in the report.

    feel free to cut and paste all the evil shit i seemed to have missed.

    but to answer your question – Dimes family wouldnt have to go through that cause they are not trash

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  40. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    one more thing – funny how toad only appears in certain threads now. as the greens got more preposterous he clearly had to retreat.

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  41. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    Police accused of fiddling under age girls:

    Kerry

    23 Apr, 2008 at 1:10 am

    ‘Janice’

    The point of the anarchists wearing masks, myself included, was to show solidarity with our Tuhoe friends, who were masked to show that even masked women can appear threatening to grown adult conference attendees – how much more threatening were masked, armed AOS officers, when they shut down the community of Ruatoki at gunpoint on 15th October 2007, and terrorised every woman and child in the district, and not a few of the men as well?

    I have spoken to mothers and grandmothers who were there that day; and since these matters are still sub judice, and I am not the PM, who breaks such legal niceties whenever she pleases, I won’t say what was done to girls under the age of 16 in Ruatoki that day, by Police officers. Or the details of how the children were treated while their parents were being questioned.

    I will say that on that day, 15th October 2007, parents at Te Aro School received a completely different reception from the AOS officers who used their school as an operational base.

    No children were threatened with guns as their neighbours were questioned, no white families were made to kneel in the street at gunpoint while being shouted at through loud-hailers.

    When Valerie was arrested, they didn’t even handcuff her.

    Not so in the poor, brown, working-class rural town of Ruatoki.

    I am ashamed to be a 7th generation pakeha New Zealander, that this was done and publicised as some kind of attempt to keep my country safe for nice, white, liberal ‘non-terrorist’ citizens, when a definition of domestic terrorism didn’t even exist in our law (as stated by the Solicitor-General in his decision handed down November 8th, 2007).
    I am embarrassed to be a graduate of VUW, where I was taught Tuhoetanga as part of my first year Maaori language courses, by Pou Temara of Ngaai Tuuhoe at Te Herenga Waka Marae, where I, tau iwi, am considered tangata whenua; where I first learnt the meaning of Tino Rangatiratanga, where I first understood the great injustice done by the mistranslation into Maaori of the articles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
    I have read a lot of history and politics, since then, and learnt from those who have had their histories handed down through the generations. I have stayed involved in Green Party politics, simply because of their fundamental respect for the ratification of all the Articles of the Treaty.

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  42. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    dime.. Toad will be waiting for fresh instructions from his master Clint.

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  43. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    Funny how Toad gets to use the racism attack, projection much Toad ? Given that the left are the major practitioners of identity politics in NZ, and identity politics is essentially racial profiling writ large, the only institutionally racist party in NZ is the Greens, for all their protestations to the opposite.

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  44. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    If armed police dressed in tactical response gear kicked my door in and held me or my family at gun point because some wacko up the road was running around the bush in camo clothing I would take a dim view and would probably drag them through the courts for the fear and humiliation they caused.

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  45. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    KevinH – humiliation?

    would you scream racism?

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  46. Michael (909 comments) says:

    When was the last time Police did a random breath testing checkpoint in Ruatoki? They do them all the time around Wellington, and we’re not overwhelmingly Maori. The Police especially do them at the Plimmerton Weigh Station as part of recruit training, and Plimmerton must 80% white.

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  47. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    Quoting Green peace activist involved in something dodgy in the bushes.

    “I am ashamed to be a 7th generation pakeha New Zealander, that this was done and publicised as some kind of attempt to keep my country safe for nice, white, liberal ‘non-terrorist’ citizens, when a definition of domestic terrorism didn’t even exist in our law (as stated by the Solicitor-General in his decision handed down November 8th, 2007).
    I am embarrassed to be a graduate of VUW, where I was taught Tuhoetanga as part of my first year Maaori language courses, by Pou Temara of Ngaai Tuuhoe at Te Herenga Waka Marae, where I, tau iwi, [foreigner] am considered tangata whenua [a person who belongs in that place]; where I first learnt the meaning of Tino Rangatiratanga, where I first understood the great injustice done by the mistranslation into Maaori of the articles of the Treaty of Waitangi.’

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  48. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Sam Buchanan (432) Says:
    May 23rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    “A ‘Green” vote is a vote against white middle class New Zealand.”

    Is that true? If you can convince me I might consider voting for them!

    No don’t, the Mana party really needs your duck loving – anarchist vote.

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  49. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “the only institutionally racist party in NZ is the Greens”

    What was that about leftists screaming ‘racism’ at every given opportunity? Seems tro me that these days, it’s the right that keeps trying to use the word as an all-purpose condemnation of things they don’t like – left parties, opposition to FTAs, et al.

    “The Police especially do them at the Plimmerton Weigh Station as part of recruit training, and Plimmerton must 80% white.”

    I think that might be because the police training college is nearby, rather than targetting any particular group. And the weighbridge is on SH1 north of Plimmerton, so it’s hardly targetting Plimmerton residents or any other community in particular.

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  50. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    I didn’t know the Mana party liked ducks! Good on ‘em! (still not going to vote for them though)

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  51. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Graeme E>When they do it in the white area you point out, they do it completely differently, just focusing on the house and criminals, not on everyone else.

    Ruatoki was an armed offender situation, and I suspect the exact number of armed offenders was not known to the Police with any certainty. It’s similar to the Napier siege which involved a cordon. The Napier locals certainly weren’t allowed to go about their day to day business for at least a couple of days, and I suspect that (at least in the early stages) people leaving the cordon would have been stopped and questioned, in case Molenaar or an associate were trying to leave the scene of the shooting.

    The people of Ruatoki should be pissed off about the situation. But they should be pissed off at Morse, Signer, Iti and the other wannabe revolutionaries who decided to play out their fantasies in their town. They should also be pissed off at some of their neighbours who knew what was going on but didn’t take steps to stop or report it. And they should be pissed off at Helen Clark and her minions in the Labour, Green, and NZ First parties who were in government at the time. And who, remarkably, want us to forget that they were responsible so that they’ll get to form a nationalist anti-foreigner coalition again.

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  52. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    This is Clendon’s point: when they raid places in one area, largely Maori, they lock down the whole community, take photographs of everyone in the area etc.

    When they do it in the white area you point out, they do it completely differently, just focusing on the house and criminals, not on everyone else.

    Easy to find out.

    Clendon is saying it is institutionalised practice of the police to conduct raids on a racial basis so non-white areas will typically be subjected to a cordon and dragnet approach.

    The Armed Offenders Squad have been called in to action in Otara, Mangere, Petone a few times in the last dozen years. How many of these raids have involved setting up a cordon, detaining and photographing everyone within a two block radius?

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  53. toms (299 comments) says:

    I must say David Farrar is spending a lot of time – again – attacking the Greens. Those internal polls must be looking ugly. I can smell the electoral desperation wafting off my screen.

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  54. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Just as an aside… Am I the only person who finds it funny that the same people who think running around the Ureweras while shooting guns and throwing molotov cocktails is just a bit of harmless fun are the same people who think US gun rights are insane?

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  55. dishy (248 comments) says:

    toms, the MSM gives those lying Green fuckers a free ride. Somebody’s got to call them out.

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  56. sbk (312 comments) says:

    “a lot of time …attacking the Greens”…not speaking for the man,but given the amount of shit the greens have come up with,it is not hard…pure gold for a political blog.

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  57. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Did they say anthing about the groups plans to launch sudden violent attacks, using explosives, guns and napalm, against NZ citizens ? How about them killing Pakeha to get the trainies used to killing ? (nothing racist there ?)

    The issue is not the actions of the Police. I believe the Police exercised excessive restraint. The fact Tama Iti is still stealing oxygen from our planet is evidence of that.

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  58. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    John Key has just announced that there are no grounds for compensation for those affected in the raids because the Police believed they were acting lawfully at the time.
    Unfortunately for John Key that is a ridiculous statement to make because it is a common argument criminals use in courts to receive favourable treatment when being sentenced.
    The fact is the IPCA has found that the Police acted unlawfully and in an unreasonable manner, both of those findings being sufficient to warrant seeking damages. The government has two choices, fess up and settle or go through a lengthy protracted civil suit where the damages awarded would be considerable.

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  59. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Mr Key may be taking his cue from those Waihopai saboteurs. They also thought that they were right.

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  60. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    I must say David Farrar is spending a lot of time – again – attacking the Greens. Those internal polls must be looking ugly. I can smell the electoral desperation wafting off my screen

    Well, at the last election Mr Farrar went hysterical over the prospect of Winston being elected….and look what happened. I imagine the Greens will be delighted with Farrar’s bleating. Obviously the government isn’t performing, otherwise he’d be gloating.

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  61. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    For the innocent people in the area, who weren’t aware of what was going on it must have been pretty frightening.

    I remember when three prison escapees were on the loose near Tairua. A friend of mine was staying with the local minister and his wife. She went with the wife to take her three small children to school and were stopped at a police road block. They were in a station wagon and there was clearly nothing in the rear of the car – just the two women in the front and children taking up all the back seat.

    Four heavily armed police officers in full protective gear, including head gear, approached the car and pointed their automatic weapons at the occupants from four corners of the car.

    The kids screamed.
    The ministers wife, 5’2″, normally a very quiet, meek and mild person, jumped from the car, backed one of the armed officers up against a tree and told him if he ever pointed a f**king gun at her children again, she’d shove it up his f**king arse.

    The escapees were found miles away – staying just a few metres from the main police group – where they had been for days.

    The IPCA has found the actions were wrong regarding the Ureweras. I don’t think we have any choice but to support that decision – especially as none of us were there to witness just how frightened those people may have been by the manner in which the police acted.

    The police – we love to hate them and hate to love them. Who would want that job!

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  62. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    “Would the police have raided Remuera in Auckland, or Khandallah in Wellington in the same way?” he asked.

    As a Khandallah resident, I certainly fuckin’ well hope so.

    A note to the Police. If you see people “practicing” with assault weapons and Molotov cocktails down the Ganges Road shops, I want you to shoot to kill.

    You have my full and unqualified support.

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  63. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Judith>The police – we love to hate them and hate to love them. Who would want that job!

    I have a friend who is a copper in the Northern Territory. There was a gun murder there last year, and the perp who had a background in the military legged it in to the bush with a pile of guns. The police cordoned off a large area. My friend said it wasn’t a great feeling manning a roadblock in the middle of nowhere at night, when the driver of the car slowing down towards you might shoot you at point blank range.

    On the whole, I’d balance the police officer’s right to stay alive over an unstable woman’s concerns that police might be holding guns while they took a look in her car. They’re protecting her too… It isn’t outside the realm of possibility that an armed offender is hiding under a blanket in a footwell, holding her children hostage in order to force her to drive him out of the area. She’s lucky she wasn’t restrained while the police carried out their search.

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  64. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    [DPF: The Police acted wrongly in the Urerewa case. But what I am responding to is Clendon's claim they would not send in armed ninjas to other areas. They did.

    I suspect a big difference is that only one property was involved in Coatesville, not multiple]

    Clendon didn’t say sending in ‘armed ninjas’ was racist – he said the way police treated uninvolved people was racist. It was you who brought up the Coatesville example as a counter-argument to Clendon – now you are saying it doesn’t apply.

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  65. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    davidp (2,736) Says:
    May 23rd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    ———————

    I totally agree,
    The point was that this woman was so frightened, she acted in a manner completely foreign to her. Her fright didn’t allow her to rationalise the situation, or stop and think of possibilities. Who in their right mind would charge a police officer carrying a loaded gun?

    I was thinking about how the people complaining about the Urewera Raid might have felt – when we are in extreme stress/frightened, we don’t always stop to think why someone is doing the job they are – or what the consequences might be etc. That comes later. Rationality and fright, don’t usually come together.

    As I said, who would want a job like the police have – I’m not sure which would be worse – an escaped prisoner or an irrational mother ‘protecting’ her cubs.

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  66. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    Over heard – Two of Keith Locke’s (and the Green’s) “dear friends”


    “Tuhoe wouldn’t have popular support for a bombing campaign in New Zealand.”

    Reply: “It would in Tuhoe though … What about if we did a bombing campaign that blew up Waihopai spy base, power dams, gas facilities, TV stations and radios … It’s a strategy that’s gonna be f…… urban warfare. We are training in the wrong place.”

    First speaker: “What’s going to be the strategy?”

    Reply: “Strategy will divide, will divide Aotearoa … extreme violence and extreme f…… actions too.”

    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, June 23, 2007.

    http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq

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  67. hj (7,015 comments) says:

    KevinH (949) Says:
    May 23rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    John Key has just announced that there are no grounds for compensation for those affected in the raids because the Police believed they were acting lawfully at the time.
    ……………..
    Ahhh! there’s bias for you:

    http://www.webcitation.org/5TKxD2fdq

    The Dominion Post | Wednesday, 14 November 2007

    Suspect tells another it would be good to kill Pakeha to get trainees used to killing. Also suggests making their own tracer ammunition and using tungsten projectiles to go through a “cop vest” and through “his f…… mate”.

    Bug in vehicle, recorded April 6, 2007.

    “Get someone to assassinate the prime minister, the new one, next year’s one. Just been in office five days, bang … Yeah. John Key … just drop a bomb … Just wait till he visits somewhere and just blow them … They won’t even find you.”

    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, August 17, 2007.

    “They want to start blowing shit up. You know, they want to blow up power plants, gas plants, Telecom, petrol f…… places and shit like that.”

    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, June 23, 2007.

    “You know like the IRA in England … it’s gonna happen here … I’m ready to die, mate. I’m gonna hurt this country, I’ve had a gutsful … I wanna leave this planet making sure that I’ve done a f…… huge amount of harm to this country.”

    Suspect recorded on bugged phone, May 26, 2006.

    “It’d have to be a, some sort of f……, sudden f……, because what it’ll do, it’ll come down on the thinking of the people, they’ll think it’s al Qaeda … It’s gotta be sudden and it’s gotta be brutal.”

    Other suspect says: “Don’t piss around with cities or doing the bush thing … just go to Parliament.”

    Two suspects in bugged vehicle, August 17, 2007.

    “I heard you talking about the napalm shit.”

    Response from unknown man: “I’ll make some and bring some next time round, show everyone how to make it.”

    Conversation in bugged vehicle, September 16, 2007.

    “No, I’m teaming up with the Maoris, we have to … I’ll come and see ya, I can’t f…… take the white man on without the c…s … I’m declaring war on this country.”

    Bugged cellphone, May 22, 2007.

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  68. OneTrack (3,095 comments) says:

    “As I said, who would want a job like the police have – I’m not sure which would be worse – an escaped prisoner or an irrational mother ‘protecting’ her cubs.”

    Or the Green party being in power in 2014 and proceeding to tie your hands at every opportunity to enforce the law. For example, any investigations into marijuana, drugs or maoris will be quietly dropped. Well, they are “entrepreneurs”. Who would want the aggravation – anything you did, someone would just have to whisper “racism” and the standdowns would start, along with the inquiries and public vilification. And how many police will simply head for the airport to avoid it.

    Fun times.

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  69. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    I must be racist then; I have a strong dislike of Green people :P

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  70. Francis_X (147 comments) says:

    I betcha if this raid had had happened under a Labour government, most of you would be bleating Labour Nanny State!Or Helengrad. Or something.

    Oh, wait…

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  71. Nighthawk (1 comment) says:

    Not surprised that all you can say is ‘Well there was a raid in a white neighbourhood so it can’t be racist’. Pull your head out!

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