Inappropriate 2

May 2nd, 2013 at 10:35 am by David Farrar

Joelle Daly at Stuff reports:

A lawyer friend of Christchurch-based MP was so embarrassed by the politician’s behaviour after a bottle and a half of wine that he wrote an apology to hotel staff.

Sources close to the Heritage Hanmer Springs hotel said Gilmore called a waiter a “dickhead”, handed over his business card and made a comment along the lines of “Don’t you know who I am? I’m an important politician.”

Gilmore’s carry-on prompted Christchurch lawyer Andrew Riches to leave the waiter an apology note the next day.

Hotel management declined to comment yesterday, but a source said when Gilmore ordered more wine while settling the bill, the young man refused, saying they had had enough.

Gilmore then insulted the waiter, the source said.

However, the National Party backbencher yesterday called the incident a “misunderstanding” and denied he used his position as a politician.

While “some inappropriate comments might seem to have been made”, they had been apologised for, he said.

I understand Aaron has also now apologised on Twitter, and will be apologizing to the Prime Minister.

It’s not at all a good look, and a reminder that MPs are in the public spotlight and need to be mindful of that. I recall one MP lamenting to me the worse thing about being an MP is that is some jerk cuts them off in traffic with a dangerous maneuver, they can no longer give them the fingers!

I have little doubt the Whips have been in contact with the MP, and stressed the desirability of no repeat occurrences. I also imagine the PM is very unimpressed. It is no secret that after he became PM he spoke caucus about expected behaviour in a number of areas.

Still some way to go to beat the behaviour of Dover Samuels who actually pissed in a hotel corridor (and allegedly on a hotel staff member he was annoyed at), but this is not a competition you want to win.

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184 Responses to “Inappropriate 2”

  1. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    Who expects any different standard of behaviour from MP’s these days?

    I think they are almost all the most offensive arseholes.

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  2. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    It’s not at all a good look

    I can’t stand that expression.

    What something looks like is irrelevant.

    It’s what it is that matters.

    And this is rude, boorish behaviour by someone elected to represent NZers.

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  3. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    Sounds like someone we would be better off without. Which makes me wonder why the Greens haven’t snapped him up!

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  4. RRM (10,021 comments) says:

    I cringed when I read this in the paper this morning. What a little tosser.

    I have had the misfortune once of dining with a group where there’s been a dick who thinks it’s clever to give the waiter arseholes all the time, even though the service was great. I had to say something eventually. I forget what I said, but it killed the conversation, and his girlfriend had a dirty look on her face for the rest of the evening :-)

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  5. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Gilmore’s “apology” is of the Paul Henry variety – not really an apology at all:

    I’ve apologised again for any offence that may have been taken from the behaviour of my group and I that a waiter may have received on Sat.

    A genuine apology would be something like “I apologise for getting drunk and being arrogant and offensive.”

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  6. coge (190 comments) says:

    If you can’t handle your piss, you’re best to stop drinking.

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  7. Redbaiter (9,609 comments) says:

    To be perfectly correct, it is actually extremely rude and presumptuous to apologise on behalf of anyone else.

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  8. rouppe (982 comments) says:

    An apology in Twitter is not an apology. It is much more intense to have to apologise to someone while standing right in front of them. Because then not only do the words have to be right, but the demeanour and attitude presented have to be right.

    If you’re an arrogant bore to their face, it is so easy to then sweep it away from the keyboard. It’s akin to a letter of remorse from an offender in court. Invariably the offender does not read it to the victim and they just stand there with their head down and a reluctant lip curl on their face.

    At least Paul Henry made his apology on air, by himself and directly to the offended party.

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  9. Ryan Sproull (7,285 comments) says:

    Pity the rehab centre in Hanmer Springs has been shut down. Could have been quite poetic.

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  10. marcw (255 comments) says:

    Yet more evidence (if more was needed) of the total waste of space this MMP system is with unaccountable members (to the electors). What if we campained for a change which required a List MP to get at least 10% of the electorate vote wherever he or she is a resident candidate before they can enter Parliament. That way, there would at least be a semblance of representation – and considering we pay about $500,000 for each of them we should have some say.

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  11. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    “I understand Aaron has also now apologised on Twitter, and will be apologizing to the Prime Minister.”

    What about apologising to the hotel staff?

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  12. Manolo (14,065 comments) says:

    The arrogance of power appears to be consuming some National Party members.
    Five years of it have gone to the head of many Labour lite MPs.

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  13. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    So Catholics can expect an apology from Williamson over his “inappropriate” remarks about Catholic culture.

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  14. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Dickhead, he is now on a list that includes;
    Dover for pissing himself
    Chris Carter for sending a helicopter to collect his tooth brush and … A list too long to type.
    Helen Clark for literally running over her drivers in speeder-gate.

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  15. RRM (10,021 comments) says:

    No, Williamson was spot on in what he said. No apology needed.

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  16. La Grand Fromage (145 comments) says:

    in vino veritas. Getting a bit pissed is fine but this guy obviously thinks he is Berty Big Bollocks. Can’t have people like that running the country as their ego gets in the way of making good decisions. 154 on the next list would be an ideal spot.

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  17. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    The article seems to have removed this little gem from the Android version:

    Gilmore also said: “I can’t be 100 per cent sure of everything I say after having a bottle and a half of wine, but I think someone has misinterpreted what was said.”

    I mean come on, be reasonble, he was pissed! The public is expecting too much of this drunk MP.

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  18. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Williamson was rude and dismissive of his constituents who were exercising their democratic rights and duties,his commnets were actually unforgivable in the context of our freedoms and rights as citizens.

    He was also rude towards a large section of the New Zealand population ,that is Catholics. I think it instuctive that this govt is prepared to risk the catholic voter for the homo.

    That proves the arrogant and out of touch nature of the current leadership.

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  19. Pete George (23,685 comments) says:

    Gilmore digs deeper:

    Aaron Gilmore
    National Party MP

    Media Statement

    2 May 2013

    MP Aaron Gilmore apologises

    National List MP Aaron Gilmore is this morning apologising to staff and patrons at the Heritage Hotel Hamner Springs following a dinner he atended there on Saturday 27 April.

    “As a group of diners our behaviour was at times boisterous and I sincerely apologise for any offence this may have caused any staff and/or patrons”, Mt Gilmore said.

    “I intend to convey my apologies on behalf of the group to hotel staff and understand that Members of Parliament should uphold, and be seen to uphold, the highest of standards at all times”.

    “On this occasion I believe as a group, our behaviour fell short of this mark, and I should have recognised this at the time”.

    “I also plan to pass my apologies on to the Prime Minister for failing to meet the standards I believe National MP’s should uphold.

    That’s another half arsed apology, trying to spread the blame across the whole group and failing to accept full responsibility for his own behaviour.

    Gilmore is still failing to meet the standards expected of any MP.

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  20. Viking2 (11,569 comments) says:

    Any publicity is better than none. And to be frank the Nat.s ain’t had much headline grabbing stuff lately. Indeed its like they are asleep at the wheel.
    The Greens and Labour and more particularly Turei are out front everyday and sometimes several times a day, meanwhile the Nats hide under the toadstools.

    A good polster might actually look at the papers and TV and see that that’s the case and ponder why the Nats are so publicity shy.

    That was Acts problem. Bloody good policy but couldn’t get it out to people.

    If the Nats don’t buck up their idea’s when it comes to creating headlines and creating discussion they will go the same way. Into oblivion.

    Stupid

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  21. rangitoto (250 comments) says:

    The PM should give him the arse card. Not for the original offense but for his pathetic apologies.

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  22. Pete George (23,685 comments) says:

    Manhire has added to his post:

    Postscript: An afterthought. Maybe it was all just research. For guess who said:

    We cannot legislate away New Zealand’s binge-drinking culture, but legislation can contribute to a culture change.

    And:

    We are all worried about the impacts of alcohol; we are all worried about the impacts of alcohol on young people in particular. As one of the youngest members of this House, I have recently experienced and seen many of the things that alcohol can do to young people. In my time as a young man, I have been one of the generation that has been a guinea pig for alcohol laws.

    And:

    Youth are not always the sole problem in regard to drinking. I can tell members that the most scared I have ever been in my entire life was when I was a bar manager in Christchurch, on the night of a male strip revue, and 20 middle-aged women were liquored up to the max, to the extent that I was frightened to leave the building and I locked myself in the toilet. I was the most frightened I had ever been in my entire life. When 20 drunken middle-aged women were chasing me, looking for action, I can tell members that that was the most frightening moment of my life.

    And:

    I have seen many, many middle-aged people out of control from drinking. A number of members of this House have had their problems with drinking, with drink-driving, and with other things needing professional help for their drinking.

    And:

    I enjoy a social drink with my friends and whānau, and I would hate to see a move to restrict too far the law-abiding people who wish to pick up a bottle of wine at the supermarket and enjoy it with good food, or to see a restriction on my ability to know what is the biggest special on wine at my supermarket.

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  23. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (9,131) Says:

    May 2nd, 2013 at 10:39 am
    It’s not at all a good look

    I can’t stand that expression.

    What something looks like is irrelevant.

    It’s what it is that matters.

    Actually, in politics, how it looks is always far more serious than what it actually is-except maybe if it’s criminal.

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  24. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Sounds like Gilmore handles his alcohol as well as Jessie Ryder and Zac Guildford. He might take their lead and get help.

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  25. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    This has a wider loop. Aaron Gilmore is a symptom of a wider malaise within National.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/list-mps-and-national/

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  26. Luke H (73 comments) says:

    “Don’t you know who I am? I’m an important politician.”

    This is not the first time Gilmore has pulled this card. What a slimy individual.

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  27. dime (10,109 comments) says:

    ross – youve never been obnoxious when liquored up?

    its not a good look. reflex says – kick him to the curb. but yeah, most of us have been snapperheads while drunk.

    i think a two strike rule though – if he does it again, hes history.

    now, if i was this MP, id be kicking my mate to the curb. what a prick. why didnt this lawyer friend man up at the time and say “mate, youre being an asshole”. or was the lawyer friend also being an asshole? then felt regret, then thought he would fuck his mate over in the process

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  28. Viking2 (11,569 comments) says:

    dime, a lawyer man up?? oxymoron mate.

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  29. peterwn (3,308 comments) says:

    The other issue is why was he not at the Mainland Conference dinner. OK, it may be ok for ordinary delegates to eat elsewhere, but surely the MP’s there should be at all official functions and interacting with ordinary delegates – who bear the cost of the conference and getting there out of their own pockets.

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  30. GPT1 (2,123 comments) says:

    It’s a pathetic blame everyone else apology with no acceptance of personal responsibility – or even an acknowledgement to Riches who probably didn’t want his note in the paper.

    It wasn’t the group that was refused alcohol and then went for the “do you know who I am” routine.

    As I understand it the note was a follow up to an intervention and apology at the time.

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  31. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    Gilmore’s an important politician. I what universe? Literally a pissed-up git in a backwater.

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  32. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    Gilmore didnt apologise on twitter for his behaviour, he apologised for the group, but they had already apologised on Saturday night.

    Fuck that guy must have had a four day hangover

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  33. wreck1080 (3,964 comments) says:

    This bozo needs to be removed.

    The power has clearly gone to his head and I don’t believe in 2nd chances for such absolute arrogance.

    He is just sorry he got caught.

    I wonder if he is still mates with the whistleblower.

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  34. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    “Don’t you know who I am? I’m an important politician.”

    I’d never heard of this guy.

    Now I have.

    It’s hard to think anything other than “what sort of self-important, jumped-up twat uses the phrase “don’t you know who I am?””

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  35. RRM (10,021 comments) says:

    Don’t you know who I am?

    I’m a bum on a seat; one of John key’s house bitches. One Voting Unit on behalf of the National Party. No-one’s elected me their representative in parliament, No-one’s ever weighed up the alternatives and then picked me, no-one’s ever listened to me speak and shouted “Hear, hear!”

    I should really just shut the fuck up, and stop abusing New Zealand citizens who pay my salary, and put my podgy, boozy little snout back in the trough, and do as I’m told.

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  36. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    “Do you know who I am?” If he really did say that, he will literally never live it down; that’s a “Tuku’s underpants” sort of moment. Gilmore was never very popular in the House anyway; now, whenever he gets up to speak, you can predict with as much certainty as it’s cold in winter time what the sledge will be….That’s one pissed up night out he’ll wish he’d never had…

    He didn’t actually add “I’m an important politician” surely…did he?

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  37. Graeme Edgeler (3,290 comments) says:

    “Do you know who I am?” If he really did say that, he will literally never live it down;

    Will it matter if he actually said it?

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  38. Paul Williams (880 comments) says:

    Graeme, nope.

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  39. kowtow (8,776 comments) says:

    Hey RRM you put it so well @132 to think the tossers you described ,Gilmore one of them,redefined marriage!

    And that last sentence is Williamson to tee; “Shut the fuck up” and listen to his constituents who bothered to write to him.

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  40. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    There must be plenty more people on the National list who no one knows who they are……

    They will now have the distinction of not being on record as having stated it.

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  41. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I don’t think it was crime of the century. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t big note after a bottle and a half of wine.
    If you’re too loose, your stomach will boil the next day from dumbass remarks due to wine and bravado and you don’t do it again.
    For a while anyway.
    Of course, if he’s a serial prick then that is another matter.

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  42. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    How about a bench system for these List MPs – so they can dropped back to oblivion.
    At least they may become accountable to their colleagues. They sure as hell don’t seem to be accountable to the public.

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  43. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    It’s amusing to me that this post follows immediately after a blog post that attempts to downplay the negative aspects of alcohol consumption.

    :-)

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  44. freedom101 (510 comments) says:

    Apparently airline check in staff live for the day that someone uses the line “Do you know who I am?’. It gives them the chance to announce over the PA system “Could someone please help as there’s someone here who doesn’t know who they are”.

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  45. Neil (589 comments) says:

    Maybe he will suffer the consequences of Paul Quinn and be sent to the bottom of the list rankings.
    He seems to have a high opinion of himself- not others.
    It’s those marginal guys who seem accident prone and are just lucky to be there who seem to be the victims of foot in mouth disease – remember people like Paul Quinn,Gilbert Myles,Cam Campion,Hamish McIntyyre,Alamein Kopu,Richard Prosser and the fellow from NZ first who was the weather announcer. Just not up to it !!

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  46. Richard Hurst (873 comments) says:

    Congratulations to the staff and management of Hanmer Springs Hotel for:

    1. Obeying the Sale of Liquor Act and the terms of their liquor license.

    2. Remaining professional in the face of drunken, arrogant provocation from a stupid little nobody in a job that is beyond his limited ability and competence.

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  47. Pete George (23,685 comments) says:

    But wait, there’s more.

    Andrew Riches calls Gilmore to account, and dobs him in deeper…

    “He threatened to have the Prime Minister’s Office intervene and end the waiter’s employment. His business card was presented to verify his identity.”

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/andrew-riches-responds.html

    Not sure the PM can just move on from this.

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  48. LiberalismIsASin (290 comments) says:

    Well these guys have no morals. If they believe two guys sodomising each other is a marriage then quite frankly I am not surprised that their behaviour is immoral as well.

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  49. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    The Aaron Gilmore Hanmer Springs thing just got legs. I’d say this List Mp is now gone. A nice quiet resignation will be in order…

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/the-gilmore-thing-gets-legs-hes-gone/

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  50. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    He threatened to have the Prime Minister’s Office intervene and end the waiter’s employment. His business card was presented to verify his identity.

    If that’s true, then that is totally unacceptable.

    Next on the list, please.

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  51. Sofia (867 comments) says:

    Prime Minister Key, regurgitating an explanation offered by Gilmore –
    I think it’s a bit disappointing. He [Gilmore] was clearly involved in a group that was involved in some slightly unruly behaviour…. he acknowledged he was part of a group that did not meet that standard and has apologised.”

    Christchurch lawyer Andrew Riches, Media Statement – 2 May 2013 :
    I felt compelled to leave a private note of apology directly in relation to one incident at the conclusion of the night where Mr Gilmore attempted to use his status as a Member of Parliament to his own advantage once he had been denied further alcohol service. He threatened to have the Prime Minister’s Office intervene and end the waiter’s employment. His business card was presented to verify his identity.

    So Gilmore appears to have mislead Key who, repeating Gilmore, now misleads the public.
    But then maybe Key’s handling of Banks indicated it is a shot worth trying.

    Key said he could not recall any other similar incident involving Gilmore.
    Déjà vu – shit! again!

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  52. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Gone by lunchtime. Or maybe dinner time.

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  53. Pete George (23,685 comments) says:

    Sofia, Key’s comment was before Andrew Riches’ media statement was released, so he didn’t know those details.

    Key now should have a revised response. Or perhaps he’s organising a suitable response from Gilmore.

    Who is Claudette Hauiti?

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  54. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    “Still some way to go to beat the behaviour of Dover Samuels who actually pissed in a hotel corridor (and allegedly on a hotel staff member he was annoyed at), but this is not a competition you want to win.”

    Now however, I’d say that Gilmore may well be gaining the lead in that competition.

    What a fuckstick.

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  55. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Gone by lunchtime. Or maybe dinner time.

    Agreed. Acting like a complete plonker is one thing, but dobbing in your mates (“our group”) and then the PM, well, there’s not a lot coming back from that.

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  56. radvad (772 comments) says:

    This creep has committed 3 separate sackable offences without even trying.
    1. His big noting.
    2. His pathetic attempts at an apology.
    3. Threatening the waiter with the Prime Ministers office.
    His boisterous behaviour may be stupid but is not sackable. If he had fessed up, owned it and apologised unconditionally then I would support him. Instead he should now be gone by lunch time and Key risks looking weak if he does not act.

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  57. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Yup, the biggies are:

    a) misleading the PM’s office (subsuming his culpability within “group” guilt who were innocent and mostly not even there)

    b) Impugning the office of the PM by using it to bully a waiter over more alcohol.

    The omission of those facts to Wayne E as office chief, is an act of falsehood. AG can no longer be trusted.

    NEVER never draw the Pm into your ‘pants-downs.’

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  58. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    NEVER never draw the Pm into your ‘pants-downs.’

    Or your medicine ball routines (From “Labour Handbook For New MPs”) :)

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  59. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    I have to agree our Aaron is in deep do-do…and no swiss balls in sight.

    Everyone who says you don’t draw the PM into stuff like this – especially when you are bullshitting – is spot on. Key would have been angry enough having to defend some twerp who’d clearly got pissed and made an arse of himself…now that it turns out he was invoking the power of the PM’s office to try and get more booze….

    Interesting illustration of the fact that you can make a million or two – I believe Gilmore has plenty of smash – and still be an arse, and a dishonourable one to boot. Like many, I had a bit of sympathy for him this morning – just a tiny bit; I always hoped they DIDN’T know who I was in such situations – but now….I do a very good line in well written resignation statements….

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  60. Bob R (1,393 comments) says:

    What a tool – why do we need so many MP’s anyway?

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  61. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Bob R: Short answer, we dont. Despite what Professor Sir Geoffrey says, we functioned perfectly well with 80.

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  62. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    A bottle and a half of wine? at say 12%.
    He must be a serious lightweight when it come to drinking or he had had a lot more than that.

    Instant Arsehole/Just add alcohol.

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  63. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Aaron Gilmore, if you are reading this then you need to know that you have no future at all in the party and this government.

    Quite clearly you are a dickhead and the house would be a better place without you. Just resign and piss off back to Chch.

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  64. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    That MP ( whoever he is) should remember the Dictum of never piss off a waiter.

    They piss in your drinks and shit on your gravy if you try to be a wanker to them

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  65. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    On the basis of the latest allegation that Gilmore threatened the waiter that Key could get him fired if the waiter did not serve Gilmore more wine, this provision of the Crimes Act comes into play:

    311 Attempt to commit or procure commission of offence

    (1) Every one who attempts to commit any offence in respect of which no punishment for the attempt is expressly prescribed by this Act or by some other enactment is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years if the maximum punishment for that offence is imprisonment for life, and in any other case is liable to not more than half the maximum punishment to which he would have been liable if he had committed that offence.

    (2) Every one who incites, counsels, or attempts to procure any person to commit any offence, when that offence is not in fact committed, is liable to the same punishment as if he had attempted to commit that offence, unless in respect of any such case a punishment is otherwise expressly provided by this Act or by some other enactment.

    If what Andrew Riches now says is correct, there is a high likelihood that Gilmore is criminally liable for attempting to procure the waiter to breach provisions of the Sale of Liquor Act.

    I predict there will not be a happy ending for Aaron Gilmore.

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  66. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Update from a reliable source in the Beehive: PM royally pissed off with our Aaron, but his job is safe for now…reason unclear…And apparently Gilmore has plenty of smash – according to Gilmore. But Gilmore and the truth are apparently not the closest of friends…my source put it somewhat more harshly…What did Rowan Atkinson say? “I wouldn’t trust any of you to sit the right way on a lavatory”..

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  67. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Update from a reliable source in the Beehive: PM royally pissed off with our Aaron, but his job is safe for now..

    One assumes his list position will be somewhat different next year.

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  68. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Not A Happy Gilmore

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  69. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    toad: piss off back to your swamp…at least the Nats “out” their members when they misbehave…Where is Darren Hughes these days, does anybody know? He’ll be on some public tit somewhere, suckling away…Which government agency is paying Sue Bradford these days? She must be so pleased her Bill cut child abuse by 50%…

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  70. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Imagine my surprise.. someone from Chrsitchurch be an arse, I suppose being arsehole is better than shagging donkeys or being a Port Hills gropher or being Jim Anderton

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  71. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Thank God you never included sheep shaggers there PEB! :)

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  72. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Is it my imagination or does Gilmore look like a fucking tosser with seriously woolly hair?

    What the fuck is the Nat Party doing hiring a wanker like that? :)

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  73. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    I have said a number of times, recently, that the media are going to do a job on National. You can expect far more of these stories.

    Mark my words…

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  74. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Must be short of wine drinkers since Lockwood went to London to investigate the cellars of Jonathons NZ House! :)

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  75. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Toad

    Tell me why the two Green MP’s who were stealing from the tax payer by claiming a housing allowance they were not entitled to were not sacked?

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  76. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Kea

    The media can do all the stories they want, but Who the Fuck is Aaron Gilmore anyway? – he s a nobody list MP thats who. I had to look him up when I saw this first come out and find out what party he belonged to.

    The worst thing the PM can do is do anything. Clark would be planning legislation be ban grog by now. Gilmores an arse, now lots more know this

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  77. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    big bruv 7:27 pm

    Oh, FFS, bruv. That was nowhere near criminal. It was a mistaken interpretation of the Parliamentary Service rules, the Greens identified it themselves, outed themselves about it, and paid the money back.

    Nothing like the Gilmore circumstances, where he allegedly coerced a waiter in a restaurant to serve him more wine in breach of the Sale of Liquor Act, under threat of losing his job if he did not.

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  78. Viking2 (11,569 comments) says:

    As long as the Nats rise to the occassion and run around like chooks with their heads off everytimer some stupid lefties in the Press make a fuss then they will continue to be driven by Labour and the Greens.
    They should either say fuck off nothing to say or better still start to take the initive and fire shit right back, Too much mister nice with those pricks.

    Same after they were first elected. Instead of shoving it right up Labours arse and shafting them forever they kowtowed and played nice. Remember discussing this at the time on KB.

    You can bet if Labour and the Greens go back they will show the Nats. no mercy (nor the rest of us whilst they introduce their ludite policies.).

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  79. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Tell me why the two Green MP’s who were stealing from the tax payer by claiming a housing allowance they were not entitled to were not sacked?

    Like the Double Dipper from Dipton?

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  80. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Toad

    “Oh, FFS, bruv. That was nowhere near criminal. It was a mistaken interpretation of the Parliamentary Service rules, the Greens identified it themselves, outed themselves about it, and paid the money back”

    Come on Toad, stop telling porkies. The Greens did not out themselves at all, they were caught with their hands in the till and should have been sacked. They stole from the tax payer Toad, at the very least they should have been sacked.

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  81. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    So English should have been put into stocks? OHHHH Yeah! “cheap tomatoes”

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  82. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    frankdb 7:51 pm

    In the case of Double Dipton Bill English, there was an investigation by the Auditor-General, which found that although the payments were unlawful, English had acted on official advice and was not criminally liable.

    As far as Jeanette Fitzsimons and Catherine Delahunty are concerned, there was no official complaint made at all (and I am certain that if anyone on this site genuinely thought there were grounds for one, they would have made one). The Greens identified the mistake themselves, fronted up to it, and Jeanette and Catherine paid back the money.

    Both these occurances are very far removed from the Gilmore circumstance, which is essentially an allegation of attempting to intimidate an restaurant employee to break a law he was statutorily obliged to uphold.

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  83. weizguy (118 comments) says:

    Hey Garrett – perhaps when you’re the one with assault and drink driving convictions and your departure from parliament was due to something you actually did (stealing the identity of a dead baby to fulfill your international espionage fantasies) you might be a little more circumspect when it comes to throwing stones.

    Odious.

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  84. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Ah yes…I had forgotten all about Phillida “Where do I live again?” Bunkle…She got a job on the tit as I recall…as with that hairy faced thing from Christchurch …then of course there is that National figure with the sonorous voice who had a spot of bother with his taxi chit book…last I heard he was Laying a course to the courts of Law to get the suppression order varied so he could discuss it…must be very complex; as I recall it took about three days for me to get mine varied…

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  85. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Toad you simply cannot go on repeating that lie. The Greens were outed, they were caught stealing from the tax payer and only paid it back when the media became aware of it.

    Like all socialists both of those MP’s felt they had a right to tax payer funds, they were well aware of what they were doing and should have been prosecuted.

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  86. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Sabotaging the retirement incomes of hundreds of thousands of elderly New Zealanders by fucking the stockmarket is of course fair game for the Aussie, greeny, ginga, ethnic bonewearer party eh Toady? :)

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  87. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Toad, FFS he knew what he was doing was MORALLY wrong and paid it back. Remember our new honest and accountable government? Where is it?

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  88. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    David Garrett 8:11 pm

    Pissed again, David? You are starting to write like the unlamented PhilU – just without the line breaks.

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  89. Longknives (4,881 comments) says:

    To deserve that much abuse from a National MP the waiter must have been one of those despicable ‘Catholics’.
    What’s worse- He was probably ‘heterosexual’ as well (very unfashionable in this day and age)..

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  90. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Johnboy (10,430) Says:
    May 2nd, 2013 at 8:16 pm.

    Good one dickhead. show some evidence.

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  91. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Toad

    Wow…so that is what a raw nerve looks like!

    Does the truth hurt Toad or is it more that you are sulking after reading the latest polls?

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  92. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    big bruv 8:14 pm

    If you are alleging that, produce the evidence backing it. I know there is none.

    But if you want to go down that path, make a complaint to the Police or Auditor-General and see how it goes.

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  93. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Actually slimy one, I have been off the piss for about 8 months…not that it’s any of your business.. and whenever I had had a few more than I should have, I never played fast and loose with the taxi card, or forgot where I lived…

    What’s your name again? You actually work at Toad Hall in Bowen House dont you? Or have the sons and daughters of Gaia moved since my day?

    And if we are talking intoxicants, when did you last partake of the sacred herb? Or have you got one of those intractable medical conditions that only ganga can treat?

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  94. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    frankdb:

    Nobel prize for debater of the night tonight! :)

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  95. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    frankdb

    Were you down at the picket line yesterday?

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  96. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Fuck this is becoming fun tonight BB! :)

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  97. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    ‘To deserve that much abuse from a National MP the waiter must have been one of those despicable ‘Catholics’.
    What’s worse- He was probably ‘heterosexual’ as well (very unfashionable in this day and age)..’

    Probably his biggest mistake was that he didn’t look like one of the Topp Triplets either.

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  98. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Toad

    While I am on about crimes…..

    Did Meteria ever actually state publicly that she was not part of the group who damaged National party property in the run up to the last election?
    I know you remember this because one of your staff was given the seal of approval by the ginger Aussie wanker and placed on fully paid leave while you “investigated” the crime.

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  99. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    He should have shaved! :)

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  100. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Johnboy.

    It’s always fun. If you really want to get a good laugh ask Toad or one of the other watermelons about Dame Susan Devoy…ha ha

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  101. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    Johnboy.

    I know it is an easy mistake to make given the amount of facial hair but Delahunty is actually a chick.

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  102. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    If only the Chinks had shot the prick while he was wrapped in the Tibetan flag! :)

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  103. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    ah yes BB ! This plethora of Green “infringements” – let’s be charitable – is starting to remind me of the old legal dictum: Never explore in cross examination a topic in which you don’t already have all the answers…

    And I was actually talking about the female Labourite who had more five pm shadow than me…and a bloody big wart…

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  104. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Toady used to be into “Dirty Sanchez”! :)

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  105. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Maybe a bit of yodeling could have helped or a spot of daisy chains around the dance floor, but no kissing.

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  106. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    …and talking of 30 year old killings…sorry, wrong thread…

    And I realise I am wrong to refer toad back to his swamp…thats frogs I am thinking of..what is a toad’s natural habitat? He should know FFS, they know the habitat of every other firkin thing…

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  107. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    DG

    I have only scratched the surface. There are many other examples, the one about Nandor smoking illegal drugs in the house comes to mind as well.

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  108. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Try this David! :)

    http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Habitat-for-a-Toad

    Bear this in mind though! :)

    Toads are amphibians and thus absorb many things around them into their skins, including oils and toxins on your hands. Toads also secrete toxins on their skins. This is not usually deadly to people, but certain toads can’ kill other pets (even large dogs!) Therefore toads should not be frequently handled.

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  109. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    The tearful wee chap.

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  110. MT_Tinman (3,257 comments) says:

    David Garrett (3,654) Says:
    May 2nd, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    …and talking of 30 year old killings…sorry, wrong thread…

    And I realise I am wrong to refer toad back to his swamp…thats frogs I am thinking of..what is a toad’s natural habitat?

    The business end of a large golf club?

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  111. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @David Garrett 8:20 pm

    You actually work at Toad Hall in Bowen House dont you?

    I worked temporarily at Bowen House for a few weeks to assist with each of the the election transitions in 2005 and 2008.

    On the latter occasion, I met you in a Bowen House lift (the only time we have ever met) and you told me a racist joke about Pacific Islanders going through NZ border security, having never met me before.

    Do you recall that?

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  112. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    I think toad must have run away. Back to their very own heavily censored website where no dissenting opinion is allowed.

    Come to think of it, why is it that all left wing websites do not allow anybody to post an opinion they do not agree with?

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  113. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    You a friend of Russell’s you big brave….shooter?

    Yes, of course…I was always in the habit of telling racist jokes to people I had never met..specially smelly ones with dreads…was that you?

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  114. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    DG

    Are you suggesting that Toad is telling lies again?

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  115. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Pity none of my legal colleagues are here…I was just musing about an interesting legal scenario…totally hypothetical of course…s.48 of the Crimes Act allows a person to, in self defence, use “such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.” A subjective test you see, not an objective one.

    BB: Never met the man,. so far as I know…he is supposed to be a man, isnt he? But by God, there were some odd smelly characters in the lifts going to their floor….Delahunty apparently washes her hair in her own urine…a beauty treatement I am told…its working well…

    Now, back in law school all those years ago, I recall a few examples of what “reasonable in all the circumstances as he believed them to be” might mean…For example, while a man may find it necessary – and the courts may find it reasonable – to use a baseball bat on a large younger male intruder armed with a knife, that would not be reasonable if the intruder was a similarly armed slightly built woman.

    What if your uninvited caller was – purely hypothetically – a convicted killer mercifully released from the pokey on life parole…? Such a person would, one would think, pose a great deal more danger than the large young man with a knife…Would it be reasonable force to plug said person on sight?

    What do the panel think? Sorry guys, all sorts of odd diversions amuse lawyers…

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  116. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    So you would whack Toady with a sparrow feather then Garrett?

    Life for you! :)

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  117. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    My apologies chaps…perhaps I have got the DT’s from alcohol withdrawal after all…that para beginning BB: was supposed to be at the end…referring to a different odious fellow..

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  118. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    The reason I have only a small number by my name compared to you FUCKTARDS, DICKHEADS, and whatever you wads call each other is because I actually work in creation. I make things that sell and create business because people need what I create and sell. My other job is fixing physical problems that everyday people have and making their lives bearable by repairing their houses at a reasonable cost, and in my case often free. I’m not a greenie but I believe that we do need to work together. But if our Messiah is a currency trader from a failed house of doom. we are fucked

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  119. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Johnboy (10,438) Says:
    May 2nd, 2013 at 8:16 pm
    ——————-

    As the retirement funds had not yet been invested in the power companies, how could they have been sabotaged? Or are you suggesting that they are non-productive or not safe where they are?

    Prone to dramatic exaggeration much? If you wait a minute someone will be along with their violin to accompany you.

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  120. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “is because I actually work in creation. ”

    Forgive us FUCKTARDS and DICKHEADS for doubting you Oh Lord!!! :)

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  121. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Colleagues of the disbarred, angry, little fella.

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  122. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    10,441 my point

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  123. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Johnboy (10,438) Says:
    May 2nd, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Jeeze you’re a bit slow tonight Iscariot. Made your supper last I guess? :)

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  124. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Menzies Hallet for example (Why, who else?) Imagine in 15 years he came calling uninvited at Rancho Garrett…a convicted cold blooded killer, but in his dotage…What sort of threat would he pose? What response would be justifiable if one saw him sidling down the long drive? Wasn’t the murder weapon a pistol? Easily concealed…dont need to be fit to fire a gun…even a broken down old man could do it…

    Sorry…just realised I am not in GD…must be those DT’s again…don’t want to get demerits…

    but funny that nostalgic chap should refer to stature…lots of convicted killers were of small stature…Wickliffe for example, 5’1″ in his socks I believe…

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  125. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    Toad, you’re such a knob, aren’t you. Let’s suppose for a moment that David did tell you that joke. You do realise that at the time he was married to a Tongan woman, don’t you?

    And I guess you think Billy T was racist all those years ago for telling jokes about maori fellas. Because if you tell a joke about a different race than yours, well you’re a racist.

    And if you light fires in breach of a fire ban you’re an arsonist. I’m sure Jeanette will want to hear that.

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  126. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Jesus (apt perhaps) talking of angry little fellas, that frank fellow sounds like he needs a good dose of inhibace…

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  127. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    My streetsweeper is only 40″ including its magazine? :)

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  128. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Johnboy: Yes, I used to have one of those…I had a pet name for it too, but I won’t share it…the amphibian might not approve…

    NK: Actually the Tongans have a whole pile of jokes about the Samoans…and the Asians, and the palangis…But their favourite ones are at the expense of the Samoans…. that’s “up home” of course…down here all “Pasifika” people just love each other, and form interdemoninational choirs and share hymns…

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  129. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Garret. If anyone needs a kick up the arsehole to be projected into the orbit of reality it is you, you dimwitted shallow reject.

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  130. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    frankdb. Nominee for the Nobel Prize for most intellectual comment of 02/05/13!!!!!! :)

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  131. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Actually I see everyone else is all over the shop, despite this not being GD…and our host surely wouldn’t single me out for demerits over more deserving..offenders?

    So back to my little legal conundrum…Being a protective father of young children, I think I’d probably adopt the “take no chances” approach if a convicted killer like Menzies ever came calling…what do the panel reckon?

    Oooh frankie…you’re so brave! ” Dimwitted Shallow reject”, by god sir, that stings…

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  132. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    You’re a tough guy frank talking anonymously like that. You must be very brave.

    You turd.

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  133. Nostalgia-NZ (5,281 comments) says:

    Protective fathers lock their families out of the house these days?
    Who would have thought.

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  134. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I’ll give the old Winchester Defender an oil and whip it up to you David! :)

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  135. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    I will front up to anyone of you typists

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  136. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Shit I’m out in the face of a threat like yours frankdb. :)

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  137. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Anyone Anywhere in AK . Whale Banned me when I called his fat arse out……. Anyone anywhere.

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  138. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Whales are very wise I have heard! :)

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  139. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    Ha ha. Frank. Another angry lefty. The Right is in charge, and you just get angry and issue threats. You know you’ve lost the battle when you start issuing threats.

    Turd.

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  140. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Right wingers will be saying, but we are whimps that need the state police to protect us if we start to lose.

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  141. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Sorry frankdb. I missed the point of your last comment as I was off shitting myself.

    Could you repeat it?

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  142. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    FFS

    I just checked that frankdb wasn’t my 16 year old son on the computer beside me. 16 year olds call it each other out.

    But you sound too tough for me frank, you are a fucking legend or a fucking womble I ‘ll think about it, na you’re a fucking womble.

    Sorry DG your argument I just got bored

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  143. NK (1,257 comments) says:

    Unlike Helen Clark frank, who arranged the sacking of Commissioner Peter Doone and put her own in charge. Nice try.

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  144. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Come on you pussies, stop wanking,(ctrl shift n) and start doing good for your communities.

    Not LEFT or RIGHT

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  145. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Righto Frankie, I’ll play…Kanohi Road RD Kaukapakapa…old villa house down a long drive…What sort of time shall I expect you?

    Johnboy: Diastop old man…worked a treat when I was a drinker….

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  146. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I’ve got two Streetsweepers if you feel threatened PEB. :)

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  147. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Actually Frankie, please dont think me soft, but could you make it next week? I have the kids for the last week of the hols, and I prefer my daughter not to see me dealing with vermin…

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  148. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    In the old days people would issue challenges and it would be settled with swords or jousting. a show of strength. but you feeble typists are saying that you are now better because you can spell better and type faster?

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  149. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    After tonight there is no doubt at all that KB represents a most amusing part of lifes rich panoply! :) :)

    Farewell all. :)

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  150. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Hold on a minute…did I just see a 180 degree turn? Wasn’t frankie talking about “anywhere any time”? Now when I have named a place and a time – a few days hence, its true – now we’re talking about jousting and typing speeds? Damn, I am getting more than a little slower as age wearies me, but I’m more than a tad confused….

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  151. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    David Garrett:

    That would be the classic bait-and-switch. When “frankdb” is exposed as nothing but piss and wind, he quickly changes the subject.

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  152. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Frank

    At least admit you’re pissed, that would explain you a wee bit. Bcause if you are like this straight goodness gracious

    Whale did’nt ban you for calling him out, he banned you because you are tedious

    .

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  153. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Nostradamus: Bait and switch you say?

    Any morning next week would do Frank…the name’s on the fence at the top of the drive, but if you cant read, just ask anyone for “the three strikes joker’s house”…and if they look blank, try “the c…who used to be an MP”…there you go, can’t say fairer than that….

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  154. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Whale banned me after I called him out ONCE

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  155. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Both shottys are on the courier with two boxes of ammo David. Hope they get there before Frank does.

    Go with God….We are all praying for you! :)

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  156. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    So, frankdb, let’s see what you’re made of.

    1. Provide a link to the thread where, in your mind, you “called out” Whale on something of enormous significance.

    2 Confirm whether, and if so when, you’ll “front up” to David Garrett (having issued the challenge above which David immediately accepted).

    What – no link and no confirmation? Is that called wimping out? Are you a wimp?

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  157. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Obviously frank you are leaving a rich legacy on the blogosphere.

    Hopefully by calling out bloggers and commentators who are teasing you unmercifully but you are too stupid to pick up on will compensate you a wee bit for what appears to be a rather sad existence.

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  158. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Given the original content of this post, I’m wondering if frankdb’s lawyer friend will be writing a letter of apology tomorrow

    :)

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  159. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Shit guys, I’m really lost here… a bit rusty on the terminology too…All this talk of “calling out”…Who called who out here? I thought he was challenging all and sundry to a showdown “any where in Auckland”…so I oblige with an actual address, and a choice of times…then we start whining about how someone can type faster….Now we’re discussing a blog he’s banned from…Que? What have I missed?

    Does “anywhere in Auckland” only go to the end of the northern motorway? Would I have to travel for him to sort me out?

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  160. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Need “shottys” eh john. can’t handle a real MAN punch up?

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  161. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Bet you shortened them so you look tough too. Piece of shit.

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  162. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Frankdb:

    can’t handle a real MAN punch up

    Wow – a legend in his own mind!

    Still waiting for the link and confirmation – see 9:53 pm comment above.

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  163. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Get with the programme.

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  164. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Too exciting for me I’m afraid, franks not only calling people out he’s shouting as well

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  165. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Generally I prefer to fuck sheep but I am starting to think that you may make an amusing interlude frankdb! :)

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  166. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Frankie…! Over here!

    I am not referring to shottys, shortened or otherwise….when can I expect you? You’ve obviously selected yourself as the weapon..”a real MAN punch up..” Christ, I’ll have to try and remember some of the old moves…

    Hello Frank…! I dont know how I can be more specific about the venue for the showdown…its the first road on the right, past the pub as you head north…

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  167. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay:

    Actually the “MAN” in block capitals reminds me of that scene from Shrek.

    Shrek: [observing a giant building] That must be Lord Farquaad’s castle… Do you think he’s maybe compensating for something?

    I imagine the “Lord Farquaad” part would go right over frankdb’s head, too.

    :)

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  168. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I really must hit the hay, much as I am hugely amused with frankdb. Night all! :)

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  169. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    David, dear… Have you covered up whatever was stinking in your offal pit?…

    Just asking :)

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  170. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    “Toad

    Tell me why the two Green MP’s who were stealing from the tax payer by claiming a housing allowance they were not entitled to were not sacked? ”

    Oh come on Bruv….there is no need to deflect..that’s a Slater strategy, I would never have thought you were on the same level as that cunt.

    Stick to the issues, the greens weren’t pissed and going around threatening peoples jobs, and having an inflated self worth.

    You’re far far far better than that

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  171. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Ah Wahine! Just the woman!

    Help me out here….you’re a woman of the picaresque world south of the isthmus…Have a look back up the thread…This young fellow was “calling me out” I think (Well, to be fair, it was an invitation addressed to all and sundry), but then when I provided a venue and a choice of times he was suddenly talking about something else…now he can’t seem to see my messages at all…can you? What have I got wrong here? Help me out?

    Oh, and yes, a bag of lime and half a metre of soil got rid of that stink…) Got to have another hole drilled now though, dammit…

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  172. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    I think frank dropped his balls, David… Poor wee mite…

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  173. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    It would appear so Wahine…or perhaps his honour is so besmirched he’s on his way out now…oh, well, the dogs will let me know if he’s arrived, and I have the spotlight charged up…

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  174. Griff (8,194 comments) says:

    Oh, and yes, a bag of lime and half a metre of soil got rid of that stink

    Is that why phillu has been absent?

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  175. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Hmmm… Frankdb… is this you?

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  176. David Garrett (7,548 comments) says:

    Well, my horlicks is kicking in, so I must away…If I don’t reappear tomorrow, someone better track down Frankie’s ISP thingie…

    Gad Nostra…he looks like a dangerous customer….perhaps some no-doz to counteract the horlicks….

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  177. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Oh Dear. OK read the hand. You Kniclke head metal typist really didn’t get it.AN iM pissed but i stay with my ststements and I have really good gossip on moore

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  178. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Read the hand? Dude, if you wanna sound hip, it’s “talk to the hand”… And the only people that use that term these days are trannies, and it’s “talk to the hand, girlfriend!”.

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  179. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    It warmed up a little this week in Lake Wobegon, making for some good snowball weather…

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  180. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    frankdb (78) Says:
    May 2nd, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    The reason I have only a small number by my name compared to you FUCKTARDS, DICKHEADS, and whatever you wads call each other is because I actually work in creation. I make things that sell and create business because people need what I create and sell.

    He is a drug dealer. A user too judging by his comments :)

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  181. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Busted Kea I’m a dmubo

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  182. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Hey come over and get some herbs

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  183. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    busted so bad

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  184. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    To be perfectly correct, it is actually extremely rude and presumptuous to apologise on behalf of anyone else.

    I apologise on behalf of Redbaiter.

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