Labour on Police

May 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Mr Faafoi said the latest Ten One  magazine showed more than 50 sworn officers had resigned around the country in the past month.

“It’s the sheer number and the experience of these officers that’s of concern,” he said.

A meaningless number. The Police have around 11,500 staff. How many staff normally resign in a month? What has been the rate for the last year. A month’s figures by themselves may be a blip.

Mr Faafoi said the problem stemmed from cost-cutting and he was not surprised that there was nothing extra in the recent Budget for police.

Actually the Police were given an extra $4 million in the Budget for operational spending, and since 2008 their funding has increased by $173 million which is considerable, even more so when you consider the structural deficit inherited from .

“It was more about the National Party’s mates than hard-working Kiwis and that extends to the police as well,” he said.

I think Labour came up with this slogan before they saw the Budget and are too lazy to change it. Is Kris really saying $100 million for home insulations for low income families is helping National’s mates, not hard working Kiwis? I thought Labour used to claim they cared for low income families. Does he think the extra $1.6 billion for health is restricted to National’s mates? And the $900 million for education? And please Kris tell us how the $2.1 billion extra for Christchurch is for National’s mates. sounds like National has lots of mates, and Labour has none.

As a result communities were not feeling as connected to police as they did in the past and Mr Faafoi believed this could have resulted in the drop in reported crime.

Trying desperately to spin his way out of the fact that not only is reported crime down, but serious violent crime is significantly down – and the notion that serious violent crimes are not being reported is laughable.

Mr Faafoi said Labour had a track record of looking after police officers and would look to rebuild the public’s confidence in the organisation.

Really. Please tell us about this track record. Labour’s opposed almost every law change that the Police have supported such as three strikes.

 

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41 Responses to “Labour on Police”

  1. Mobile Michael (452 comments) says:

    Is Grant Coward standing for Labour in New Plymouth?

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  2. beautox (422 comments) says:

    What a dickhead he is. Will fit right in with labour.

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  3. Planna ha ha (5 comments) says:

    Total Muppet!!

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  4. hubbers (139 comments) says:

    Is it normal in NZ to have a “news” article that repeatedly quotes one sides spokesperson and doesn’t even say that they tried to talk to the minister?

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  5. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    labour spin/lies, they are getting boring and this bloke is a moron

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  6. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Labour had a track record of looking after police officers”
    I wonder how many lefties actually support “looking after” police officers.

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  7. Souvlaki (45 comments) says:

    I shouldn’t be I guess, but I continue to be staggered by the intellectual dishonesty that spews continually from Labour, like untreated diarrhoea !

    If you believe a fraction of their propaganda,you have to be ‘intellectually challenged’ ….it is a source of disappointment that at least 30% of voters are soooo undiscerning :-(

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  8. JeffW (326 comments) says:

    ” sounds like National has lots of mates, and Labour has none.”

    Well said, if only it were literally true, the country might have a chance.

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  9. Tauhei Notts (1,721 comments) says:

    “The intellectual dishonesty that spews from Labour like untreated diarrhoea”.
    Souvlaki; that is the quote of the week!
    Stee nee yasou.

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  10. sparky (235 comments) says:

    What BS reporting from Labour’s Mr Faafoi. Show’s the lack of Brain matter, the Labour party displays.

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  11. anonymouse (716 comments) says:

    This would be the same Mr Faafoi, who as the local MP was invited to the police college graduation earlier this year, but decided to skip it to attend a BBQ being hosted by Labour for journalists……..

    Yeah, I can really feel the love for the police from Mr Faafoi, ( even when the police college is in his electorate)

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  12. RRM (9,932 comments) says:

    Really. Please tell us about this track record. Labour’s opposed almost every law change that the Police have supported such as three strikes.

    I think if you’re a Labour spokesman, and you say something is true, then by definition it is true.

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  13. greenjacket (466 comments) says:

    Well, unless National get to 50% next election, then this fool will be the next Minister of Police (either this idiot or a Green).

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  14. Redbaiter (9,080 comments) says:

    Gosh the Nat cheer squad is out in force on this thread.

    The sad truth of this is that even if National did have friends in any real NZ business, they’re doing fuck all to help them.

    Compared to what they could or should be doing.

    Key and his flunkies (with a few exceptions) are just another bunch of brain-fucked commies like Labour, cuddling so close together on the political spectrum you could hardly force a knife blade between them.

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  15. Fox (206 comments) says:

    Is Kris really saying $100 million for home insulations for low income families is helping National’s mates, not hard working Kiwis?

    Fletcher Building has a monopoly on insulation material due to Building Standard stipulations banning the importation of cheaper Australian Pink Batts on account of them being the wrong shade of pink.

    So the entire $100 million will end up with Fletcher shareholders, most of whom of course are National Party members.

    Does he think the extra $1.6 billion for health is restricted to National’s mates?

    This is earmarked solely for breast enlargements for the National Party Wives Club.

    And the $900 million for education?

    New political advisors, PR managers, consultants and speech writers for Hekia Parata.

    And please Kris tell us how the $2.1 billion extra for Christchurch is for National’s mates

    Most of this will be spent on a new McDonalds, Burgerking and KFC, so Gerry Brownlee has somewhere to eat.

    #HUMOR

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  16. Nookin (3,352 comments) says:

    Please don’t argue with Mr Faafoi. Please remember that he’s been everywhere, man.

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  17. RRM (9,932 comments) says:

    Gosh the Nat cheer squad is out in force on this thread.

    The sad truth of this is that even if National did have friends in any real NZ business, they’re doing fuck all to help them.

    :lol: And here’s the Conservative Party’s spokesman on “Real” NZ business… (as opposed to virtual, imaginary or fake business.)

    Why don’t you go and suck on a lemon?

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  18. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    National has lots of mates

    Would be a good election slogan if Labour go negative.

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  19. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    When did the NZ Police start supporting the three strikes legislation?

    I can remember them being quite critical about it. Greg O’Connor (head of the Police Association) described it as a political gimmick.

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  20. Redbaiter (9,080 comments) says:

    “(as opposed to virtual, imaginary or fake business.)”

    Many so called “businesses” in NZ are underpinned by corporate welfare or services to government.

    A situation that steadily rots a country’s economic wellbeing while simultaneously undermining democracy.

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  21. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    “Labour had a track record of looking after police officers”

    lol yeah the cops loved it as everything become more and more PC. they made the cops jobs harder.

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  22. Redbaiter (9,080 comments) says:

    “lol yeah the cops loved it as everything become more and more PC.”

    FFS, get real.

    National are just as bad.

    Jude Collins for example is just another Klark style feminazi with a worrying disregard for individual rights.

    What is her anti-bullying legislation if not the most sickening PC crap?

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  23. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    So youre saying when labour were in govt the cops didnt hate the changes because national in your opinion are also shit?

    interesting logic.

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  24. RRM (9,932 comments) says:

    Jude Collins for example is just another Klark style feminazi with a worrying disregard for individual rights.

    And she doesn’t even have Clark’s good looks either… :-)

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  25. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    We can airbrush some for her RRM.

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  26. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Much as it pains me, I am with Gump on this…I met with Greg O’Connor during the fight to get three strikes in place, and he was very dismissive of it. When I called him a few months ago to ask if he had altered his view after seeing it working, he got abusive, called me a wanker, and told me he wouldnt take my calls in the future.

    As you would expect, every time I see a uniformed policeman, I ask them how THEY (as opposed to their Labour aligned union man) think it’s working. They either won’t say – because they are terrified of being seen as political – or if they accept my assurance that their comment will be unattributed, they all wholeheartedly support it. I have not met one officer who is against it.

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  27. mikemikemikemike (325 comments) says:

    I’m curious as to why DPF thinks 50 people (who do one of the most maligned jobs around) resigning in a month is a meaningless number? I also recall the last time some dip shit tried to explain away an increase in violent crime as a ‘blip’ was was rightly stomped on by anyone with a brain (I think they also tried to blame the heat or summer or reality TV or something idiotic).

    I won’t go into Fa’afoi, the fucker already takes my taxes, I can at least still refuse to give him any of my time or thoughts.

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  28. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Labour spin is fooling the common man on the street and they have started to believe Shearer is their saviour. National and John Key better watch out….

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  29. Viking2 (11,484 comments) says:

    DG. I noticed that O’Connor was absent from the comments this morning, with his Deputy having the say. Sounded like a more reasonable person.

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  30. dime (9,977 comments) says:

    “I’m curious as to why DPF thinks 50 people (who do one of the most maligned jobs around) resigning in a month is a meaningless number?”

    because we dont know what the norm is.

    not a lot of cops stay until they are 65.

    my brother was a cop for 11 years then resigned to do something else. no story there

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  31. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “……my brother was a cop for 11 years then resigned to do something else. no story there….’

    Vice squad story…….by chance Dime? :cool:

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  32. mikemikemikemike (325 comments) says:

    Ah righto – on reflection I guess if 50 sworn officers had left because of the same or similar reasons there would be a story, but I guess without context it is meaningless. I took his original line for a ‘who cares?’ tone. My bad :)

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  33. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Well, there is one problem where DPF quotes the *total* police numbers vs. the number of *sworn* staff who left.

    But taking the 2008 figure of sworn staff from wikipedia (probably increased since) and the number from Labour *12 (probably high) we get a figure of 7.1% turnover.

    I’m not HR expert, but that does not seem to indicate mass dissatisfaction – in fact quite the opposite.

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  34. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    Of course I am not impartial re 3S, but O’Connor’s continuing opposition to it – as opposed to the “cop in the car” who thinks is a fantastic idea – is in my view further evidence that our Greg has been in the job too long, and ought to get on trying to get in parliament, along with his cousin Damian, which I am told is his ambition.

    Mike: Yes indeed… it’s like the recent trumpeting of “only” 50 odd murders last year…without mentioning there were 10 of them fifty or sixty years ago.

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  35. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Funny how Kris Faafoi doesn’t mention the obscene amount of paperwork police have to do as a possible factor in these resignations. I guess that means Labour think that’s not a problem worth worrying about.

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  36. Muzza M (291 comments) says:

    Absolutely scrubone, I have a mate who left the force because of that very reason.

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  37. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    It is over 20 years since I was in the Police and at that time about 20 left a month with spikes and lulls. The number of Police was less than 5,000 so fifty seems about normal. I know Greg, a good guy, and a good cop, but he would be alone among his former work colleagues if he wasn’t enthusiastic about three strikes from inception to implementation.

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  38. David Garrett (7,311 comments) says:

    backster: I suspect O’Connor’s opposition is more down to his political alignment – he apparently wishes to be a Labour MP – rather than any reasoned opposition. Labour of course, are committed to repealing 3S if – God help us – they are in a position to do so after the next election.

    Chester “all they need is love” Borrows is strongly opposed to it too. It seems once cops get out of the cars they forget what its like out there.

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  39. PhilP (163 comments) says:

    “Key and his flunkies (with a few exceptions) are just another bunch of brain-fucked commies like Labour, cuddling so close together on the political spectrum you could hardly force a knife blade between them”.

    Redmasterbator is “shooting” off again.

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  40. UrbanNeocolonialist (288 comments) says:

    50 out of 11500 = 230 months or about 19 years to replace all at that rate. Sounds about right for typical length of service in Police.

    Total non-issue driven by innumeracy of Politicians, Media and general public.

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  41. Sponge (183 comments) says:

    “I’m curious as to why DPF thinks 50 people (who do one of the most maligned jobs around) resigning in a month is a meaningless number?”

    It is totally meaningless. For all we know there were 200 resigning a month for the last 10 years. It is a totally meaningless figure without context.

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