Labour says early childhood centres are unsafe

May 14th, 2013 at 7:37 pm by David Farrar

In Parliament today:

: … but I am concerned about students’ safety from being in classrooms with unqualified, unregistered teachers …

Hon Nikki Kaye: Is the member saying that children in early childhood centres are unsafe? Is that what the member is saying? Is that what he’s saying to every single child in an early childhood centre.

CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes.

Go read the full transcript but Chris Hipkins clearly says he believes early childhood centres are unsafe because they also can have unregistered teachers.

Is there no end to the scaremongering?

What is especially appalling is to make such claims when we’ve just had the case in Northland of dozens of kids abused by a registered teacher.

Hipkins would have you believe that will be staffed with pedophiles who have been sacked from state schools. Nonsense. The law allows them to negotiate a proportion of their teachers to be unregistered with the Ministry of Education – if there is a good reason for doing so. There will be the odd exceptional person who can be of great value who may not be a registered teacher. I expect once are up and running, the number of unregistered teachers will be very low.

Also worth recalling that organisations such as Teach for America send tens of thousands of top graduates into schools in low income communities to help inspire and improve learning outcomes. Their graduates are basically all “unregistered” yet many studies have shown they achieve better results.

Anyway back to the main point – is telling parents that their kids are unsafe at early childhood centres. What horrific deplorable scaremongering.

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29 Responses to “Labour says early childhood centres are unsafe”

  1. Souvlaki (45 comments) says:

    No one with a brain will be surprised with the coprolalia spewing from some Labour spokes person.

    They are so disingenuous, I don’t know how the bastards sleep at night!

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  2. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Labour can bang on and on about partnership schools till they are blue in the face. They will start in Jan 2014 and the sky will not fall in.
    Labour can bang on and on about the 90 day right to prove yourself and the sky will not fall in.
    Labour can bang on and on about mixed ownership assets and the sky will not fall in.
    Feel free to add all the other scare stories that have failed to scare the voters

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  3. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Feel free to add all the other scare stories that have failed to scare the voters

    Well in 1999 there were the warnings that Labour would over tax, over spend, over engineer and generally waste NZ’s opportunities…

    Nine years counts as failing to scare voters, I fear

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  4. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    The dangerous thing about schooling in NZ is that most of the teachers are left wing, unionised, labour party wankers! :)

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ Fisiani – actually, the sun has risen every day since Mighty River Power shares were listed on the NZX, and the weather has been stellar. There is certainly nothing to suggest that a sky fall is imminent :D

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  6. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    Smokescreen. Parata is closing schools, especially in Christchurch, to create ‘a demand’ for charter schools. Destructive, unethical, callous. I note few schools are to be closed in Jerry’s patch.

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  7. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Falling rolls have nothing to do with a good beat up of course Floyd60?

    Oh look……..back in time……….Trev Mallard closes half the colleges in Wainuiomata. :)

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  8. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Hm, but taken in full context it appears he may have misspoke.

    Hon Nikki Kaye: Is the member saying that children in early childhood centres are unsafe? Is that what the member is saying? Is that what he’s saying to every single child in an early childhood centre.

    CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes. At least 50 percent of the teachers in early childhood centres have to be qualified and they do not have to be qualified in charter schools. Why should students in charter schools have a lower standard than those in early childhood education? In fact, until this National Government came along, we were working towards having 100 percent qualified teachers in early childhood education. But the Government does not like having qualified teachers, because it has lowered the standard in early childhood education to 50 percent, and now it is removing it altogether for charter schools. Actually, we believe in quality teaching, and we believe in having registered, qualified teachers in classrooms, including in early childhood education settings. That is something that this Government does not support, so now it is going to lower the standard, rather than focusing on how we get more teachers who are qualified and who are filling the skills shortages and gaps that we do have—and we have big gaps.

    Not that Hipkins comes across much more sane in in his full answer. Lots of slander and straw men.

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  9. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Trevor is so good at closing school gates, he has janitors fearing for their jobs after he leaves Parliament

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  10. Mobile Michael (451 comments) says:

    Is it Labour policy to close Playcentres? They have unregistered people there all the time. Totally unqualified! (Apart from being parents.)

    Or does Labour support Playcentre…
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1108/S00105/playcentre-parents-successfully-fight-proposal.htm

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  11. Chaucey (43 comments) says:

    Chris Hipkins is wrong. You don’t have to have 50% registered teachers in all Early Childhood Centres. Is he forgetting the whole Playcentre movement?????
    I get pretty frustrated when politicians start generalising about ECE without stopping to consider the massive amounts of volunteer work that go into running a whole heap of the sector.

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  12. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “I note few schools are to be closed in Jerry’s patch.”

    You really are a dumb bastard Floyd60.

    Gerry’s schools specialise in woodwork and even you must realise how many Chippies the Christchurch rebuild will need! :)

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  13. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    What horrific deplorable scaremongering.

    I thought that was de riguer for Kiwiblog…especially when talking about the prospect of a Labour govt and the end of civilisation as we know it.

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  14. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    ‘What is especially appalling is to make such claims when we’ve just had the case in Northland of dozens of kids abused by a registered teacher.’

    What? Is DPF campaigning to replace registered teachers?

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  15. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    No, after 9 years from ’99-’08, we know it

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  16. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Chippie has spoken brothers. Listen to the Education Minister of 2014. He will be closing the Charter schools in 2014 any way. So there is no point in starting them now.

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  17. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    ….”when talking about the prospect of a Labour govt and the end of civilisation as we know it.”…..

    That would be bad enough Ross but your lot are so bloody hopeless that they’re going to have the Greens & Hone the Halfwit running the show. You would at least have thought that the remnants of Labour could have pulled themselves together enough to provide an alternative government.

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  18. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    In Banks’ own words – regarding his good idea of legislating ‘partner’ schools in to law (or should that read ‘civil union’ schools?) “They can focus on specialist areas of learning, such as art, music or sport, and they can answer a particular need in their community, such as for faith-based schooling or holistic development.” Where has Banks been during the last 50 years? Face down in a pool of German funded champagne I suspect. I wonder if he is intending to ‘lick and rubber stamp’ this bill in to law? See http://www.act.org.nz/posts/education-amendment-bill-second-reading

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  19. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Dont worry about preschools, Chippie, you little fraudster they operate in full view of fellow teachers and the children are 3 and 4 years old.

    Not so lucky was a certain political tyro who only found safety by running down a street in Haitaitai, sans clothes from the dental nurse’s home after a incident with a ginga MP. Such predators have no registration system at all eh.

    James Parker was not an isolated incident just one of the worst exposed and yes he was registered and had become a deputy principal.

    Methinks a partnership school might just be very serious in its HR effort as they will be well aware that the wolves will be waiting for any slipup, actual or perceived

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  20. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Unsafe” is a word that has a special context when used by sleazy little commies like Hipkins.

    Hipkins fears that the kids at early childhood centres with “unregistered” teachers will escape the subliminal and subtle indoctrination into communist thinking patterns that occurs with the “registered” variety.

    That’s what Hipkins really means by “unsafe”.

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  21. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Parata is closing schools, especially in Christchurch, to create ‘a demand’ for charter schools. Destructive, unethical, callous. I note few schools are to be closed in Jerry’s patch.

    Yea, it’s a total mystery why the government wants to close schools in areas people have left, and not close them in areas where those people have moved to. /sarc

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  22. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    Maybe DPF could be operated on by unregistered, untrained and unqualified doctors and nurses when he goes into hospital for his next round of liposuction.

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  23. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Chippie has spoken brothers. Listen to the Education Minister of 2014.

    That’s a terrifying possibility.
    What’s next? Ginga Hughes as Minister of Sexual Affairs?

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  24. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Maybe DPF could be operated on by unregistered, untrained and unqualified doctors and nurses when he goes into hospital for his next round of liposuction.

    …because the level of expertise behind heart surgery is about the same as teaching a 5 year old the alphabet.

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  25. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Are not most of the Schools so far registering for “Charter” basis, Maori ?

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  26. GConnell (20 comments) says:

    Absolutely no scaremongering going on here, what utter nonsense. Labour is not telling parents that their kids are unsafe at early childhood centres. Reading the full transcript which DF omitted, it’s clear what is being said, and what isn’t. Ridiculous claim David. Ridiculous. This entire thread and every comment in it (including mine) is an absolute waste of time.

    “Hon Nikki Kaye: Is the member saying that children in early childhood centres are unsafe? Is that what the member is saying? Is that what he’s saying to every single child in an early childhood centre.

    CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes. At least 50 percent of the teachers in early childhood centres have to be qualified and they do not have to be qualified in charter schools. Why should students in charter schools have a lower standard than those in early childhood education? In fact, until this National Government came along, we were working towards having 100 percent qualified teachers in early childhood education. But the Government does not like having qualified teachers, because it has lowered the standard in early childhood education to 50 percent, and now it is removing it altogether for charter schools. Actually, we believe in quality teaching, and we believe in having registered, qualified teachers in classrooms, including in early childhood education settings. That is something that this Government does not support, so now it is going to lower the standard, rather than focusing on how we get more teachers who are qualified and who are filling the skills shortages and gaps that we do have—and we have big gaps.”

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  27. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    What practical value does it make if a teacher is registered or not? Given the spate of dodgy registered teachers I would think not being registered might actually be better.
    A mandatory police check before being allowed to work with children would seem logical though.

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  28. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    DPF.

    Don’t be selective. Again

    Printing “CHRIS HIPKINS: Yes.” and then cutting off the rest of the answer, which does actually in someone put forward some sensible ideas is scaremongering in itself.

    Annoying. Probably exciting for the faithful constituents of teacher bashing KB, just another boring policitical selective edit to me.

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  29. Peter Reynolds (1 comment) says:

    We were disappointed to read that Chris Hipkins answered ‘yes’ when goaded by Nikki Kaye. But we doubt he really believes that all (or most) early childhood centres are unsafe.

    Our organisation represents almost 1,100 early childhood centres nationwide, It is our view that safety results from a combination of leadership, good staff, good policy, effective management systems, and a well-designed centre environment. We do not believe that 100-per-cent qualified staff is essential for the achievement of safety, and we do believe New Zealand ECE centres are safe for our children.

    For the record, our membership is split on the issue of whether or not it should be compulsory for centres to have 100 per cent qualified teachers.

    Some oppose a compulsory 100 per cent, because they employ non-teachers with skills they consider essential for their particular families. This includes both nurses to help with the care of under twos, and individuals with the sort of community mana that entices into centres low-income families who might otherwise eschew early childhood education.

    From the viewpoint of some centres, such staffing decisions are made in response to problems that are in their face every day, and they would be frustrated by a level of regulation that made such decisions impossible.

    On the other hand some of our members support a compulsory 100 per cent, because they think it essential to maximise quality of service.

    Whichever position is taken, however, I know of no one (private centre owner or community centre manager) who believes that 100 per cent qualified teachers is a prerequisite for the safety of children.

    Peter Reynolds
    CEO
    Early Childhood Council

    The Early Childhood Council is the largest representative body of licensed early childhood centres in New Zealand. We represent both community-owned and commercially owned centres. Our members employ more than 7000 staff, and care for tens of thousands of children.

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