Lady Thatcher a Kiwi by marriage!

May 5th, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

A little known fact is that ’s father was born in New Zealand. That made Denis a Kiwi, and hence a Kiwi by marriage.

Thomas Thatcher was born in 1848 and emigrated to New Zealand in 1878. He founded Atlas Preservatives, originally a sheep dip and weed killer manufacturer.  His son Thomas Herbert Thatcher was born in New Zealand in 1885 and married Lilian Kathleen Bird, a secretary at Atlas. Their son was Denis Thatcher.

Thatcher Street in Castlecliff is named after Thomas Thatcher and Thomas Herbert attended Wanganu Collegiate from 1894 to 1897, when they moved back to England.

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18 Responses to “Lady Thatcher a Kiwi by marriage!”

  1. Mighty_Kites (83 comments) says:

    No thanks, the Brits can keep her

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  2. kowtow (7,960 comments) says:

    This was not a little known fact.

    It is a fact that our lame stream media deliberately hid(IMHO)

    Given the fact that every plane ,train crash or shipping disaster in the world is trawled by our shit media for a “Kiwi” on board it was no surprise to me that when Denis died back in the day they ignored his obituary that included the Wanganui connection.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/politics-obituaries/1434154/Sir-Denis-Thatcher-Bt.html

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  3. Harriet (4,619 comments) says:

    Thanks for that DPF.

    A good mate of mine here in QLD is Scottish, and he hated Maggie -and Denis – and Mark – and Mark’s sister – so I always wind him up over them.

    I noticed on GD when she died that people said Denis had a link to NZ but I forgot to ask them what it was.

    Now that I know, I can tell my Scottish friend – “…if the Scots Irish had been more welcoming to the English who later emmigrated to NZ, they would not have had reason to return to England, and therefor, Maggie would have been our problem – not yours!…” :cool:

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  4. alex (301 comments) says:

    @Mighty Kites – Snap was about to say the exact same thing.

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  5. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Not much wrong with a bloke who likes to give sheep a good deep dipping now and again! :)

    As for killing weeds who can argue with that! :)

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  6. James Stephenson (2,096 comments) says:

    I’m married to a 5th generation Kiwi, permanently resident here, with two Auckland-born children. Which makes me as “Kiwi” as…a really not at all Kiwi thing.

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  7. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    Auckland-born children?

    I’ll have to think about that! :)

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,184 comments) says:

    Until eighteen or so months ago, I was living just around the corner from Thatcher Street. I’m pretty sure that I have read that Governor-General Sir Jerry Mateparae grew up in Thatcher Street as well.

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  9. Johnboy (15,602 comments) says:

    I’m not sure that Lady Thatcher invited too many darkies round the corner to 10 Downing KS! :)

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  10. Snarkle (118 comments) says:

    I think it was comedienne Jo Brand who pointed out that “Lady Thatcher” sounds like a device for tidying up unwanted pubic hair

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  11. magsta (313 comments) says:

    Historian Diana Beaglehole has written a beaut little article about meeting Denis Thatcher and the Wanganui connection. it was published in the Wanganui Chronicle last year
    http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/news/our-link-iron-lady/1555406/

    I grew up in Manuka St, just around the corner from Thatcher St…. Decile 1 country….. I discovered years later.

    Maggy Wassilieff

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  12. Viking2 (11,284 comments) says:

    Might be some Thatcher blood in the locals then?

    “he would castigate “pinkos” who stood in the way of the reforms his wife planned for Britain, and he believed that the Labour Party and its members were, broadly speaking, Communists (unlike his wife, however, he did not support the death penalty, viewing it as “absolutely barbaric”).

    Their son Denis was born three years after their marriage, and was educated at Mill Hill, where he was academically undistinguished, but acquired a love of rugby that he retained throughout his life.

    Sounds like he would have been a damm good Kiwi.
    A good read.

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  13. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    Melanie Philips has a good piece on the Mail Online website today about how she used to work for the Guardian as a journalist and was a leftie – until Thatcher came to lead, and her mind slowly changed.

    I come from the kind of family in which it was simply unthinkable to vote Conservative. For my parents, the Tory Party represented the boss class, while Labour supported the little man — people like us.

    My father was haunted all his life by the poverty he endured growing up in the old East End of London in the Twenties and Thirties.

    His family of six lived in two rooms; he never had enough to eat. He left school at the age of 13. 

    As a university-educated young woman with hippie-style hair and an attitude, I, too, generally toed the standard Leftist line in the late Seventies and early Eighties. 

    Poverty was bad, cuts in public spending were bad, prison was bad, the Tory government was bad.

    The state was good, poor people were good, minorities were good, sexual freedom was good.

    And pretty soon I had the perfect platform for those views when I went to work as a journalist on The Guardian, the self-styled paper of choice for intellectuals and the supposed voice of progressive conscience.

    The paper and I fitted each other perfectly. If I had been a character in one of the Mister Men books, I would have been Little Miss Guardianista.

    Those of us who worked there had a fixed belief in our own superiority and righteousness. We saw ourselves as clever and civilised champions of liberal thought. 

    I felt loved and cherished, the favoured child of a wonderful and impressive family.

    To my colleagues, there was virtually no question that the poor were the victims of circumstances rather than being accountable for their own behaviour and that the state was a wholly benign actor in the lives of individuals.

    It never occurred to us that there could be another way of looking at the world.

    Above all, we knew we were on the side of the angels, while across the barricades hatchet-faced Right-wingers represented the dark forces of human nature and society that we were all so proud to be against. 

    But then Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979; and although at The Guardian it was a given that she was a heartless, narrow-minded, suburban nightmare, I found myself listening, despite myself, to a point of view I had not heard before. 

    These Thatcherites were not the usual upper-class squires, but people whose backgrounds were similar to my own. 

    They were promoting the values with which I had been brought up in my Labour-supporting family — all about opportunities for social betterment, hard work, taking responsibility for oneself. 

    I always believed a good journalist should uphold truth over lies and follow the evidence where it led.

    Trudging round godforsaken estates as the paper’s special reporter on social affairs, I could see the stark reality of what our supposedly enlightened liberal society was becoming.

    The scales began to fall from my eyes. I came to realise that the Left was not on the side of truth, reason and justice.

    Instead, it promoted ideology, malice and oppression. Rather than fighting abuse of power, it embodied it.

    Increasingly, I saw how journalists on highbrow papers write primarily for other journalists or to impress politicians or other members of the great and the good. 

    MORE

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  14. peterwn (3,215 comments) says:

    Perhaps Labour and the unions should be thankful that Dennis did not choose to come to NZ with bride in tow. NZ would have been in for interesting times if Maggie had got involved in NZ politics.

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  15. Matt (1 comment) says:

    Sometimes I am not proud to be British but I am Patriotic. One of those few times I am not proud is when I see people bagging a dead person who achieved so much for our great nation (and others in the wider world) against much adversity. Dont stoop to our level Kiwi’s..

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  16. davidp (3,558 comments) says:

    As a semi-home-grown heroine, I think we need a statue of Margaret Thatcher in NZ. Maybe a large one, in bronze, outside the home of that vile comedian bloke who was spewing his nastiness on Twitter a couple of weeks ago?

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  17. Paul Marsden (990 comments) says:

    Lots of NZ connections it would seem. David Boddy from New Plymouth, was also her personal press secretary (or, something very similar) for a number of years around late 1970′s/ early 80′s

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  18. RRM (9,667 comments) says:

    He Got The F*ck Out Of Wanganui as soon as he finished school – so there’s some sense in that family then..

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