Mike Bush

May 15th, 2013 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

asked in Parliament:

Hon Trevor Mallard: Will she rule out supporting as a candidate for the soon to be vacant commissioner’s position, in light of his appalling judgment in reading those comments out in that eulogy?

Hon ANNE TOLLEY: We currently have a commissioner, and it would be inappropriate for any politician, at any stage, to make any comments about the future employment of any of our outstanding police commissioners. I am amazed that that member would sully the name of the one of the top serving police officers in this country.

I am one of those who think Mike Bush made a mistake in reading out the comments from Bruce Hutton’s service record. But hell it was the man’s funeral. Of course you are going to say nice things at a funeral.

Labour seem to be saying that one error of judgement, not even directly related to policing duties, means Bush should not be eligible to be Commissioner.

Apart from the unfortunate politicising of the appointment, I think that is a woeful attitude. Bush is highly respected by rank and file officers, and had a great record as Counties-Manukau District Commander. On his watch (helped by extra police officers) crime fell significantly in Counties-Manukau.

An article on his record in the Police is here. It includes a fall in crime, busting major drug rings and 100% resolution rate for homicides. Labour would have all of that count for nothing because of a comment at a funeral!

Look at what has happened to crime in Counties-Manukau. It was once almost a no go area.

  • Total offences down from 56,041 in 2009 to 44,699 in 2012 – a 20% drop in three years
  • Violent offences down from 6,579 to 5,803 – a 12% drop
  • Robberies down 30%
  • Thefts down 22%
  • An increase in the resolution rate from 43.05 to 47.5%

As I said, I thought the funeral comments well ill-judged. But I believe you judge someone on their overall record of 30 years service, and Labour is not serving the public interest by trying to pressure him out of a job.

 

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61 Responses to “Mike Bush”

  1. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    There will be another reason. They probably saw his name on a National Party donations list.

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  2. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    “Rule out” questions are often insidious but this is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Are they saying that in government they will refuse to appoint Mike Bush regardless of qualifications? Must have been a quiet day for questions.

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  3. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    But hell it was the man’s funeral. Of course you are going to say nice things at a funeral.

    Well, you are if you’re a cop who thinks that AA Thomas is a cold blooded killer. I suspect Mike Bush thinks that is so. What does AA Thomas think?

    “As the second-highest ranking police officer in New Zealand, it is totally inappropriate for him to commend the actions of a man whose actions not only twice led to my wrongful prosecution, conviction and imprisonment for almost 10 years of my life, but who perverted the course of justice, and committed a number of other serious criminal acts,” Thomas said.

    Hmmmm he doesn’t sound too happy.

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  4. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Of course you are going to say nice things at a funeral.

    Unless you’re Margaret Thatcher. :)

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  5. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    An article on his record in the Police is here. It includes a fall in crime, busting major drug rings and 100% resolution rate for homicides

    He achieved all of that on his own? Little wonder police numbers are falling when one person can do everything.

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  6. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    Really? Aaron Gilmore made “one error of judgement, not even directly related to policing political duties”.

    The only difference is that Aaron hasn’t had a glittering career at anything.

    Mike Bush could easily have said nice things about Bruce Hutton without making the stupendous gaffe of saying someone who perverted the course of justice and deliberately sent an innocent man to jail had “the highest ethical standards”. That was flat out insulting.

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  7. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    Clearly Mike Bush is not in the frame as Howard “tits on a bull” doubtful video promoter, Mr reliable Broard Mark II, should the unthinkable happen, November 2014.

    Wonder what “the muss actually is scared of.

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  8. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    I’d like to know why ex hard nosed journo, press sec extraordinaire and Labour spokesperson for Police, Kris Fa’afoi, didn’t ask this of Tolley and was content to play the grinning chimp to Mallard’s organ grinder?

    If he can’t call the incompetent and out of her depth Tolley to task, he hasn’t a shit show against a sharper hammer.

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  9. OneTrack (3,121 comments) says:

    The nasty party strikes again.

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  10. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    If Mike Bush had scalped freebee rock concert tickets at inflated prices to young girls in the back bar of a seedy hotel I don’t think he would be suitable for any Public Office.

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  11. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    So now we want to censor what’s said at funerals………

    is there no end to this media led state intrusion into just about bloody everything?

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  12. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    What is the thug Mallard up to?

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  13. Fentex (986 comments) says:

    Of course opinions expressed by a person about a police officers quality of work is relevant to their selection as a police commissioner.

    He stated personally and explicitly so therefore appears to think that a police officer who perjures themself and fabricates evidence can be good police officer and honourable person.

    How can that not be relevant to his consideration as a police commissioner?

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  14. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Ah Ducky, youre such a knob. Judge not lest etc etc…

    Assault
    Flogging tickets
    Ms M. Setchell

    You make such a worthy representative of us all.

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  15. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    The following was not out of Hutton’s service record.

    Last month, Deputy Commissioner Mike Bush declared at Hutton’s funeral that, “it is a great tragedy and irony that a man of such great character should have been subject to those accusations”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10881539

    The comment from the Hutton’s service record just might have been acceptable on its own but not combined with the above comment.

    It is known that many older police still believe Thomas is guilty. I have just met one personally The word accusation means that Bush believes that Hutton did not plant evidence.

    Bush should be obliged to answer if he believes Thomas is innocent and was entitled to compensation due to the police planting evidence and acting improperly in other ways to obtain a conviction.

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  16. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    kowtow

    No, Mike Bush can say whatever he wants at funerals or anywhere else.

    He should however accept any consequences…

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  17. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Pollywog said

    If he can’t call the incompetent and out of her depth Tolley to task, he hasn’t a shit show against a sharper hammer.

    If scuttlebutt like this is the only thing that Labour has to question Mrs Tolley on Pollywog, I’d say that far from being “incompetent and out of her depth”, Anne Tolley is doing an outstanding job as Police Minister.

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  18. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    I see this headline, and all it makes me think of is GOOD BUSH / BAD BUSH…

    http://cf.mp-cdn.net/2f/99/84ebcce54c40d21054a8c1ef0870.jpg

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  19. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    I do also like the fact that ross69 is so quick to leap into the fray. ross, I’m almost certain given you strike me as a fairly intelligent if misguided individual that you must cringe at Mallard’s conduct. The man is a waste of oxygen, providing a clear role model for euthanasia if ever there was one. For someone that is as clearly as erudite (and yet obviously unsophisticated when it comes to questioning political policy) as you, I’m sure that not only is that cringe almost a shudder, but a constant reminder of how far from reality the left live…

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  20. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    Mike Bush has balls.

    The media and politicians don’t like that.

    They want pussies to bully.

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  21. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    @ kowtow

    Do you think Hutton planted the cartridge and if not the he acted properly in the Arthur Thomas case. I assume you accept Arthur Thomas is innocent.

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  22. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The beauty of all this is the last person giving a fuck about it will be Mike Bush.

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  23. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    I suggest you all buy Truth tomorrow for the real story about Labour’s attacks on Mike Bush.

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  24. niggly (830 comments) says:

    Trevor Mallard moralising about “appalling judgment” and pointing fingers? Seriously?

    Hmm, Erin Leigh and dozens of other instances come to mind …

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  25. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    backster>If Mike Bush had scalped freebee rock concert tickets at inflated prices to young girls in the back bar of a seedy hotel I don’t think he would be suitable for any Public Office.

    Good point. Gilmore was a dickhead and is gone. Mallard is also a dickhead, but hangs around like a bad smell. Why are the standards for Labour MPs so much lower than for National MPs? You pretty much have to lock up Labour MPs before they’ll resign, and even then their colleagues will still defend them.

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  26. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    I’m afraid I am with rouppe and others on this one…As rouppe says, there are plenty of nice things Bush could have said about Hutton without saying what he did say…and then totally disingenuosly claiming it was “an extract from Hutton’s service record”…Make no mistake: Bush said what he said as a signal that whatever the Royal Commission said, whatever the (lack of) ballistics evidence establishes (I guess since the planted cartridge case actually had nothing to do with the murders it is not strictly speaking evidence at all), the Police as an organization still believe, as they always have, that AA Thomas is a double murderer.

    That may actually be true – the only person alive who knows for sure whether it is true is AA Thomas himself. Demler’s second wife died without fanfare a few months back. What IS true beyond any doubt is that the cartridge case was planted, and that at least on the balance of probabilities, and probably beyond reasonsable doubt, Hutton and his mate Johnstone planted it.

    Unlike many if not most here, I have read the Royal Commission’s report, parts of it more than once. The Police heirarchy can slice and dice it any way they like – the cartridge case was planted, and Thomas is accordingly entitled to be regarded as innocent, which also happens to be the legal position.

    PEB and any other former cop can opine all they like, or give glowing testimonials or whatever, the above are the facts. And if Bush DIDN’T know he was giving a signal like that, which I don’t believe for a moment, then no, he doesn’t have the brains to be the Commissioner. End of.

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  27. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    First they came for Gilmore and you weren’t happy about it DG but tonight you are happy to feed the beast.

    Before Peter Marshall we had had, not only two of the worst Commissioners ever but two who where totally in the pocket of the labour party. Mike Bush made a statement at a funeral as he was entitled to, he is not answerable to politicians for that. It may transpire that he might not get the top job, Viv Rickard may but I would much rather have him there than some labour toady. Like I said above he will be the last person in the country to give a fuck about this anyway. He’s talented, very talented which is lot more than can be said for the likes of mallard and other committee men .

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  28. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    Despite what you just said PEB one would wonder why a chap of the giant intellect you claim he has would proceed in a southerly direction and say “allo, allo, allo” and then feel his own collar! :)

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  29. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    I’m not sure if this is really “one mistake”.

    He praised someone who was a known bent cop. Even walking in the door was a mistake, let alone giving a speech, let alone being seen praising the guy.

    We do not need this guy as police commissioner, we need someone who will kick out bent cops, not praise them.

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  30. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    “I am one of those who think Mike Bush made a mistake in reading out the comments from Bruce Hutton’s service record. But hell it was the man’s funeral. Of course you are going to say nice things at a funeral.”

    Yeah, but not at the wake when you can say what a fucking arsehole he really was.

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  31. Nostalgia-NZ (5,222 comments) says:

    ‘then no, he doesn’t have the brains to be the Commissioner. End of.’

    Impossible to disagree with.

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  32. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Ah, frank the fighter is back…I don’t disagree with you PEB, and I have no reason to doubt what you clearly know of the man by virtue of personal knowledge…I agree that the previous two Comms were Helen’s little boys…but all of that is irrelevant! Let me ask you…do YOU accept that the Royal Commission got it right, or do you think they were somehow hoodwinked, and poor Bruce was unfairly maligned? If you do think that, do you know why Bruce didn’t do anything about it at the time, as Morrie Davis and others did re the Royal Commission on Erebus when it said nasty things about them?

    Because if you, like me, think the Royal Commission got it right, and Hutton and Johnstone were bent, then Bush had no business saying what he said…or if he thought he did, he is not a fit person to be Commissioner of Police. The Crewe murder enquiry is a black stain on the record of the New Zealand Police, and until they face up to that, and do their best to make amends, guys like me will never entirely respect them.

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  33. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Jb

    You are making the mistake of believing that people really give a flying fuck about what keyboard jockeys like us think.

    Fuck scrubone look back at what you had with Broad and Robinson, you had cops that did what Helen said. If you are happy with that good on you. Mike Bush did not praise a serving member of the police, he was referring to someone who had retired prior to his even joining the police. People stood up at Lange’s funeral and said nice things about him. I’ve been to a few funerals and I’ve yet to go to one where the eulogy says’ he was prick glad he’s in the box’.

    Cabinet will make the decision on the next Commissioner of Police. Its not a decision made by the police. Like I said Viv Rickard is well in the mix , he’s from Auckland too so that works.

    We’ve had a PM who committed a criminal offence but what someone says at a funeral is all the news, gracious its not just the left who are petty.

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  34. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Ahh, David the pompous little git that wont ever go away.

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  35. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    Whatever PEB. Most folk that are aiming for high office usually temper their comments with that in mind.

    Bush seems to have made an error of judgement. It’s no sweat to me as I am not in the running for high office.

    It just suggests that he lacks a certain skill that the Commissioners job will require.

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  36. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    DG

    I have a view on the Thomas thing but we had about 18 days just recently on that. Commissions do get shit wrong, we’ve just had one that apart from a few here most think clearly got it wrong.

    This is about the funeral of a retired constable who held the rank of Inspector with a detective designation, like I said above, at your funeral and mine hopefully what people really thought about us won’t be talked about until they are on the piss.

    Mike Bush was designated to attend and represent the police and perhaps the Officers Guild, he made a statement addressed to the family, not retired cops, not retired politicains and sundries.

    Mallard is a a convicted assailant and people generally mention him in the same breath as scum sucking bottom dwellers, I rest my case.

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  37. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    Frankendeeb. KB’s new hard man. :)

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  38. Nostalgia-NZ (5,222 comments) says:

    If Hutton wasn’t guilty the first thing he would have said when the cartridge case was found on a second search was how the f did that happen, and consider if it be could be relied upon – Muerant and other facts have said no. Secondly, when it was discovered that the cartridge case was manufactured after the Crewe murders then he would have thrown everything at finding out how it got there, remembering that the distribution of ammunition is traceable, an ‘innocent’ OIC would have got to the bottom of it. The reason he didn’t because he was at the bottom of it and knew that there is no explanation other than it was planted.

    ‘Evidence’ found in ‘subsequent’ searches is an international characteristic of miscarriages of Justice, the Royal Commission saw that, as would any reasonable person interested in the truth rather than a ‘position’ that needs to maintained.

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  39. Nostalgia-NZ (5,222 comments) says:

    ‘Bush seems to have made an error of judgement. It’s no sweat to me as I am not in the running for high office.’

    What about ‘lower’ office JB, say the out house?

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  40. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    I’ve always done my best work in the lower areas N-NZ! :)

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  41. Nostalgia-NZ (5,222 comments) says:

    You’ve done a sterling job JB.

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  42. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    PEB: I am genuinely interested in your views on the questions I posed re the Royal Commission and Hutton and Johnstone’s integrity or lack thereof.

    As I said above – at somewhat greater length – there are plenty of things Bush could have said about Hutton without lamenting the fact that he was in the frame after the Thomas RC…

    Frank: Go away silly boy…but just in case you are still wanting a rumble “anywhere in Auckland” as you said the other day, please do come on out…If Kaukapakapa is too far, I would consider making a house call…I am an old fashioned kind of guy…(Gosh, I hope I havent offended Russell…)

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  43. Johnboy (16,722 comments) says:

    I’ve never done a Sterling job Nosty. I do it cause I have a Yen for it! :)

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  44. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Unlike many if not most here, I have read the Royal Commission’s report, parts of it more than once

    TOOT TOOT – nothing like blowing your own trumpet!

    The report is on line and has been available free to anyone for at least six years!

    But you’ve read it more than anyone else !!

    This is just one of the many pdf’s of the report available on line ! (of course they are all there for Mr Garrett’s benefit, and no one else has ever read them!

    http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/r.christie/thomas_royal_commission_1980.pdf

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  45. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    PEB, do not many police think that Thomas is still guilty?

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  46. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    David (the Jackel) Garret, As an ex unelected useless list mp who should have fallen on his pen knife before being forced out of parliment as a national embarrassment, you have the temerity to call me out. Fuck you dead baby boy name thief! Edit..You hypocrite!

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  47. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Chuck, no one cares I wouldn’t think, I was 10 in 1970 and I don’t, the average 24 year old today wont even know about it.

    I don’t think there would be anyone still serving who was serving at the time ( John Palmer maybe).

    Serving police are one, very apolitical and two generally too tied up with today’s stuff.

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  48. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    People stood up at Lange’s funeral and said nice things about him.

    Yes, but Lange wasn’t a corrupt cop who planted evidence in the knowledge that an innocent person would be convicted of double murder. Surely you can see there’s a subtle difference.

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  49. Griff (7,822 comments) says:

    Peb splutters
    No disruspect Peb
    ssparation between police and scuritiny
    issue betwixt your view and others

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  50. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    You’re still avoiding the question PEB…and I’m afraid you are being disingenuous. From your comments in the past, it is clear you were a long serving officer with his finger on the pulse. I am sure you are aware that the Police heirarchy have never accepted the Royal Commission’s report – it is quite irrelevant that there are few or any serving officers in the force today who were there at the time.

    Judith: Blowing my own trumpet? I find it’s best to READ documents before critiquing their contents. It won’t surprise me if you don’t think that necessary.

    Frankie: By crikey you are a scary chap, and no mistake. And very original in your criticisms of me.

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  51. Harriet (4,990 comments) says:

    The position of Commissioner of Police combines two functions, that of chief constable in charge of policing and cases, and chief executive responsible for assets and budgeting.

    They are answerable to the government of the day, and given the nature of politics, and the seperate nature of policing; that of gaining the trust of the public, it would then be best not to ‘serve’ the government of the day. :cool:

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  52. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    I have a view on the Thomas thing but we had about 18 days just recently on that. Commissions do get shit wrong, we’ve just had one that apart from a few here most think clearly got it wrong.

    @PEB, Your view unfortunately appears to be shared by Mike Bush from his comments. The Commission did not get it wrong about Arthur Thomas being innocent and evidence being planted. Unfortunately, the police did not do the right thing and prosecute Hutton.

    I cannot see anyone with an IQ above room temperature who has looked at the evidence in the Thomas case believe that Thomas was not innocent and that evidence was not planted. If Mike Bush did not anticipate the upset his comments would cause Thomas and how bad a look they were considering that the police were supposed to be investigating who really murdered the Crews he has no business being Police Commissioner.

    Suppose Clint Rickards died and Mike Bush said in a eulogy excerpts from Rickards earlier career and comments implying Richards should never been charged. I bet the Minister of Police’s comment would be different.

    I do want play down the effect of rape but the effect of an innocent man spending over 9 years in jail because of corrupt police is at least just as great.

    If Mike Bush believes the Commission was wrong and that Hutton did not act inappropriately in the Thomas case he should not be a Deputy Commissioner let alone Commissioner. You do not rewrite history because someone has died.

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  53. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    …scrubone look back at what you had with Broad and Robinson, you had cops that did what Helen said. If you are happy with that good on you.

    **facepalm**

    You’ve actually read my comment and proceeded to accuse me – on the basis of said comment – of holding the exact opposite position I outlined.

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  54. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Update: Ah, reading your comments I understand. You think that there are two types of cops, bent pro-national and bent pro-Labor, and if I criticism National ones then clearly I want the worse Labour alternatives.

    Here’s an original thought – how about we get rid of bent cops of all stripes?

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  55. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Chuck: good comment, and good analogy with Rickards…there would be a lot more impressive stuff in his backstory than Hutton’s…but if any senior cop did as you suggest at Rickards’ funeral there would be an outcry.

    I find it very disturbing that a guy like PEB, clearly well above the intelligence of your average plod, and even after years out of “the job”, still parrots the party line…do these guys have some hitherto unreleased evidence that conclusively proves AA Thomas is guilty? If so, why don’t they don’t release it? By leak if necessary…

    They appear to not so much get trained as indoctrinated at Police College…if this is the heirarchy line, then we must toe it…Dangerous…

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  56. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    how bad a look they were considering that the police were supposed to be investigating who really murdered the Crews he has no business being Police Commissioner.

    That is the core of this issue. Guilt or innocence of Thomas isn’t the point. Bush’s comments were unbelievably stupid and if he is either unable to appreciate the wider implications of his comments, or simply made them from a sense of duty, obligation or whatever, then he is simply not fit to be Commissioner. If he really felt he needed to say anything, he could have said it privately to the family.

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  57. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Aaron davinci, welcome back!

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  58. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    Cripes Manolo. That’s a bit below the belt!

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  59. Chuck Bird (4,897 comments) says:

    I find it very disturbing that a guy like PEB, clearly well above the intelligence of your average plod

    David, I do not know what you base your assessment of PRB on. If someone cannot get better than 15% in math they may be good at rote learning but not have the type of intelligence requiring logical thinking that is needed to investigate a serious crime.

    I have often thought that the qualities that are useful to the average plod are less than useful for a detective. A cop going to a domestic or an unruly crowd should be able to make a quick decision and stick to it even if it is wrong. A detective investigating a serious crime should be able to change his or her opinion quickly with new or conflicting evidence.

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  60. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    PEB “……clearly well above the intelligence of your average plod…….”

    Over estimating the former and an insult to the latter.

    Your “average plod” is actually a hell of a good guy ,doing a difficult job at the best of times.Lawyers tend to hold themselves in very high regard,a regard not shared by many outside the profession.

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  61. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    @TrevorMallard
    The Police know who I am – or is that “known to the Police”

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