The Gilmore e-mails

May 10th, 2013 at 5:45 pm by David Farrar

Andrea Vance at Stuff reports:

Embattled National list MP was warned by a Government department over inappropriate emails.

The emails were not sexually explicit but had an “inappropriate tenor”, the Ministry Of Business Innovation and Employment said.

Gilmore was employed as a contractor for the the-then Department of Building  and Housing from May to November last year. He was a senior policy analyst. …

Days before Gilmore’s contract ended, ministry deputy chief executive Andrew Crisp was alerted to the emails between Gilmore and the Treasury staff member.

“Mr Gilmore was advised verbally that in the public sector context the tone of his emails was inappropriate,” Crisp said.

He was told his contract would not be renewed because of this.

And what did they say:

In the emails from Gilmore to a Treasury analyst, he wrote: “I’ve worked at Treasury though I saw the light and left as a senior adviser at 24.”

He boasts he was the youngest MP on Parliament’s finance committee “and made a few million as a GM in the private sector in-between”.

Gilmore went on: “I think I have a reasonable understanding of what ministers need and what works and how Treasury should operate.”

He chides the recipient saying: “Playing games and being secrecative [sic] witholding information and then bullying and whiteanting [sic] people when they don’t do what you want is how most people see you and is what I have seen too, not as a good Treasury analytic policy maker.”

In an earlier email, dated November 15, he says: “You may want to consider your perchant [sic] for firing off messages to all and sundry trying to undermine people … given my background and that I go back into Parliament on the govt side in the New Year I’m happy to talk about this with you at some stage, as this behaviour is far from productive.”

Gilmore also took exception to being corrected on a figure, writing: “Most of what I have said has been shown to be right once it has been debated …

“I am sure this sort of thing will come back to haunt you if you want your career to reach its full potential.”

There is a certain bullying pattern here.

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65 Responses to “The Gilmore e-mails”

  1. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    Very detailed report from the lovely Andrea. Now we know why she didn’t have time to report on Labour’s rorting of the laws covering electoral donations.

    Keep it up, Andrea. You’ll be on a party list quicker than you can say “Kris Fa’afoi”.

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  2. Ryan Sproull (7,134 comments) says:

    Suuuuuuuuuuch an entitled prick.

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  3. iMP (2,384 comments) says:

    Welcome to the piranha shoal DPF; we’re hopefully picking things clean.

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  4. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Presumably no alcohol to blame here.

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  5. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    Happy Gilmore is a self opinionated tosser

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  6. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Maybe we should see what Mr Gilmore was responding to before we jump to conclusions. There may have been some merit with what is in the emails.
    We’re only seeing the bits that the reporter wants us to see.

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  7. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Also, sometimes being an arsehole is necessary when you have to deal with some people, especially when they’re closed minded. It shouldn’t disqualify someone from holding political office.

    Maybe John Key should stick up for his team instead of being gutless and hanging them out to dry over something that seems pretty trivial.

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  8. Andrew M (50 comments) says:

    Gazz, did you read the actual email trail?

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  9. Monique Angel (291 comments) says:

    Totally agree with @gazzmaniac. Still waiting to hear the details of the wrongdoings that disqualify Gilmore from holding office.

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  10. Sponge (176 comments) says:

    Gazz you have a point but not in this case. Gilmore is a bell end of the highest order and it shows in his emails.

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  11. Manolo (13,755 comments) says:

    What are Key and Labour Lite waiting to expel this arsehole from Caucus?

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  12. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Questions re Gilmore : 1. Did he get off his butt and go a visit the waiter and apologise to him/her in person ?
    2. If no to 1 then did he call the person to apologise ?

    If no to 2 then the criticism of his behaviour is warranted.

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  13. Monique Angel (291 comments) says:

    Fuck this is unbelievable. It’s like a mass case of national bullying.
    Gilmore’s only real crime is being an arrogant cunt. Whether it’s the complaints of a treasury no tits Numpty (assuming the sexual thing was invoked because Red Blanks was a girl)? Or whether it’s a tenant or that silly cunt Riches, there is no proof of corruption of moral fibre. Yet.
    The only consensus from these groups is that Gilmore is arrogant.
    Fuck. Bring it on. Chances are he might be of the variety that could get things done in Parliament unlike the knitting circle members of English, Ryall and co

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  14. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Andrew M – I’ve just had a quick look through the email trail linked from the Stuff article. I can’t see anything that looks bad, although it looks like all the interesting bits are blocked out in red. Mountain, molehill?

    Maybe the other party should take a spoonful of cement and harden the fuck up.

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  15. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Gilmore is an arrogant prick who clearly has a false sense of entitlement. I can see how the National Party would think he’d fit in well.

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  16. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Gilmore for PM!
    Along with Bob “left testicle” Clarkson!

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  17. Manolo (13,755 comments) says:

    ross69, I never thought I would say it, but you’re a very perceptive comrade.

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  18. Kea (12,812 comments) says:

    The Gilmore chap does not sound like the sort of person I respect. Too impressed with himself and thinks he is better than the rest of us. However, the same could be said about many others on both sides of the political spectrum. This is a huge beat-up and the beginning of a media campaign to bring National down.

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  19. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Gilmore’s only real crime is being [a] … cunt.

    If only he were that useful.

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  20. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    This is a huge beat-up and the beginning of a media campaign to bring National down.

    The Nats are pretty safe if this is the campaign to bring them down. The lowest ranked least liked MP gets pissed and makes an arse of himself, really, not the stuff to bring governments down.

    Gilmore gives the impression he would be toxic where ever he is – its just fun watching politicians get the boot put into them

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  21. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    And what’s with secrecative [sic] and perchant [sic]? Christ, it seems he may have been on the turps at work.

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  22. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Monique
    You talk so sweetly and eloquently. A question though. How do you come across when you really want to make a point?

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  23. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Gazzmatic & Monique: You are totally missing the point. The big issue is that Gilmore is a compulsive LIAR. He lies to his party and to John Key his leader. He clearly can’t be trusted. In any business situation his position would be untenable. Add in the factor that he is a politician, then he is also lying to NZ citizens, the people he is supposed to serve.

    Not only that, but he is incredibly stupid! When he was asked about the e-mails by the reporters, it was obvious they were setting a trap. Gilmore totally fell into it – stupid! Then when he was asked again, he kept lying – duh!

    And then of course there is DPF’s point – that he is a bully. When things don’t go his way he threatens and uses his position of power.

    Oh and he is an arrogant tosser too!

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  24. OneTrack (3,089 comments) says:

    This is getting so – BORING. Honestly, who cares.

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  25. Kea (12,812 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay , yes I agree. But the general public are influenced more easy than the cynical KB crowd ;)

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  26. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    He has proved 2 things that he misjudged that skeletons would fall out of the cupboard, that he’s disloyal to the party, probably disloyal full stop. He was an accident waiting to happen, even had he been smart enough to be fulsome with the truth knowing there were many wildcards if he was untruthful, not bright enough to understand that – something else was always going to be around the corner to undo him. Had he told Key that he’d done the “don’t you know who I am and the PM will hear about this,’ explaining that it was just plain stupid and apologise I don’t think he’d be on the outer now. The similarities between war and politics: a liar is always the enemy.

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  27. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Gilmore is clearly a tosser but that hardly differentiates him from most other pollies so I wonder why he’s being biffed under the bus with such alacrity.

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  28. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Aaaaah! The latest comic opera from Gilmore and Sullivan.

    But has anyone noticed the Public Service’s infatuation with the weasel words ‘appropriate’ and ‘inappropriate’?

    Someone should sent these guys a thesaurus. With the vast array of vocabulary available to them, couldn’t they find something better? Like ‘improper, inept, out of line, wrong, overbearing, uncalled for, boorish etc etc?

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  29. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    Gilmore – death by tray

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  30. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Anyone with any knowledge of Gilmore’s career care to comment on the accuracy of the career claims in these emails?

    I’ve known a few Treasury advisors in my time. I’ve known some very clever ones, and some not so clever ones. What is clear though is not one of them ever made Senior Advisor by 24. Few make it out of the Trainee Analyst ranks by that age!!

    Not even NZ’s beloved State Services Commissioner who has one of the largest heads….er…… brains……. in the public service made it up the ladder that fast in the Treasury.

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  31. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    First rule of politics, don’t lie to the boss and make shit come his way.

    Gilmore failed this; everything else is fluff.

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  32. greenjacket (465 comments) says:

    Ross69 wrote: “And what’s with secrecative [sic] and perchant [sic]? Christ, it seems he may have been on the turps at work.”

    Ross69 criticises someone for poor writing skills – hilarious.

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  33. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    hope he stays til the bitter end!

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  34. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    Among his many and manifest faults is a lack of grammatical knowledge. “Sorry your wrong”. I mean, come on. Being intelligent, i.e. understanding grammar, means understanding the difference between “your shit” and “you’re shit”. Clearly he is shit.

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  35. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Grammar is important! Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your Uncle jack off a horse.”

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  36. hamnidaV2 (247 comments) says:

    Gilmores just your average Tory. you can always a tell a Torys a Tory by the sense of entitlement, dress sense and hair style.

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  37. Johnboy (16,517 comments) says:

    Say what you like about young Aaron but at least he doesn’t take it up the butt like most of young Labour.

    Appropriately or inappropriately as that may be in these enlightened times! :)

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  38. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull#

    “…..Suuuuuuuuuuch an entitled prick….’

    Is he Married – yet? :cool:

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  39. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    Gilmore will not fly with the Gnats for much longer.

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  40. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    “This is getting so – BORING. Honestly, who cares.”

    I agree.

    The most interesting thing to me to observe how low the bar is for admittance to the National Party.

    It just amazes me that this sleazy uneducated ill mannered utter dumbarse had the arrogance to assume to be a representative of the people and that the National Party apparently endorsed that ambition.

    With drooling morons like Gilmore filling its ranks, its no damn wonder that National stands for nothing these days.

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  41. Johnboy (16,517 comments) says:

    You could offer him a large dowry Harriet! :)

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  42. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Gilmore’s a list MP so whether people – voters – like him or not is irrelevant. It’s between him and his party.

    Now Gilmore’s been politically lynched over the Hanmer leer up, National must want him out of Parliament rather than having him sit on for another 18 months, likely unco-operative and sulking. The only way they can drive him out is to crush his spirit.

    If anyone’s whipping along the MSM lynch mob, could it be the National Party officials?

    Now we’ll see what Gilmore’s made of. Can he tough it out?

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  43. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    ‘Say what you like about young Aaron but at least he doesn’t take it up the butt like most of young Labour.’

    Thanks for that confirmation of your personal experiences JB.

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  44. Johnboy (16,517 comments) says:

    I thought you seemed familiar N-NZ. Was it the 69 Labour Party conference when we were both young and gay? :)

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  45. Floyd60 (92 comments) says:

    In November 2011 Aaron was quoted as saying “I didn’t come into politics to be a career politician. I came into politics to get some things done and changed.” See http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6051525/MP-philosophical-about-chances

    He seems to have realised his aspirations rather suddenly. He will not be a career politician and he has ‘done and changed’ the meaning of the word dickhead.

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  46. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    the leader of young labour is hot

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  47. johnbc (15 comments) says:

    Adolf @7:21, They often emphasize it with a ‘”clearly” inappropriate so that it is clearly obvious to everyone except the most myopic.

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  48. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Where do political parties get these people from? Don’t they do a background check?

    Probably not. Let’s face it, even Garrett got through.

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  49. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    “Where there is smoke, there is fire”

    Emails such as this one written by Gilmore do not get into the public domain by accident, more so by design. Gilmore is a hot potato and is being given the “kick in the arse treatment”. Clearly he is unsuitable as an electorate MP, and he doesn’t possess the political acumen to function effectively as a list MP, his career as an MP is over, finished, he is being shown the door and should do the right thing and take it before another blunder forces John Key’s hand.

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  50. hj (6,996 comments) says:

    If only he had watched his “p”‘s and “q”s he could have been a useful politician (to the self-serving). Sigh!

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  51. UpandComer (536 comments) says:

    This is getting silly now. So they dig up some emails he sent, without any context, where he laid it on a bit heavy. Sure he’s a prat, but he doesn’t deserve this actually. Lets have a look at some of Andrea Vance’s emails, shit she probably has some direct to the Labour party saying she’s doing her best for them. Lets have a look at all your emails too while we’re at it, and see if we can’t find a few bits and pieces of you guys getting on your horses and having a wee champ. Nah NZ loves a good feeding frenzy doesn’t it. I bet Ross 69 has some absolute treasures in his communications. Yes I know he sent those emails in a particular capacity, but shit this is getting pretty vicious now.

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  52. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I agree Up and Comer.
    The whole thing is very distasteful.. It long since moved from being an investigation to being a witch hunt..Witch hunts are very mean. They are also dangerous..They say more about the pursuers than they do about the pursued.
    So Gilmour is is a fantasist. NZ has always produced a lot of these people..They often have glittering but usually short lived careers in Aussie. All Gilmour needs to do is find a new frontier. Go forth young man and leave these piranhas behind.
    The whole thing reflects very badly on Key..If he was a decisive leader, he would have sacked Gilmore immediately..Now he looks like he is almost enjoying the persecution which is currently going on..Not a good look for any kind of leader.

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ johnbc (9) Says:
    May 10th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Once upon a time, the media used to report the facts, and let the common people decide what we should think about them.

    Now we are told what and how we should think, and the facts are few and far between, manipulated and chosen for the impact rather than exactness – like ducks in a row with gimpy smiles, we all roll over and say ‘that’s nice’.

    The desire to sell copy being far more important than the detailed relaying of absolute knowledge, – ‘clearly’ they think we’re obviously all too stupid to form our own opinions, so emphasise the things they’d like us to feel.

    Personally, I would like to see the tone of the senders emails – before we hang Mr Gilmore.

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  54. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Emails such as this one written by Gilmore do not get into the public domain by accident, more so by design.

    It is always handy to keep a little ‘something historical’ about your fellow ‘friends’, just in case there is a need to assist in creating a diversion in a time of great need – Aaron Gilmore isn’t the only MP with a file at the ready in case a ‘need’ should arise. They all carry little notebooks entitled “I remember when you…”.

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  55. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    KevinH: “…he doesn’t possess the political acumen to function effectively as a list MP…”

    How much political acumen is that?

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  56. oob (191 comments) says:

    I’m astonished at Aaron Gilmore’s literacy level. My view is that it’s well below an acceptable standard for an official and may even be below an acceptable standard for a parliamentarian.

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  57. Redbaiter (8,810 comments) says:

    Oob, he’s along way ahead of many on their list.

    As I said above, shows how the standards within National have deteriorated.

    They stand for nothing because they are a collection of fools.

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  58. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Brendan Horan is now supporting Aaron. Soon they will be the kingmakers.

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  59. Warren Murray (311 comments) says:

    This issue is lurching into tragedy. The guy’s political career is over and now he’s unemployable. Very sad for him and his nearest and dearest.

    On thursday Bryce Edwards questioned whether National was deliberately undermining him as everyone knows, they didn’t really want him back. Seems they couldn’t manage him so they’ve sat back and watched him self destruct. Although he’s brought this on himself, i feel sorry for him and his family. He might be a prat, but the way everyone is acting, you’d think he was the anti christ.

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  60. 3-coil (1,219 comments) says:

    Do the Nats now approve of departmental papers being leaked/released to the media jackals like Andrea Vance when it suits their cause…and the Nats will bite their tongues and there will be no more bleating when some departmental Labour flunky releases a “gone by lunchtime” type revelation to the media?

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  61. wreck1080 (3,906 comments) says:

    I had a woman boss a few years back who was far worse than this.

    She was a hysterical shrieking and bullying monster who showed no respect for any of her colleagues, except for the ones she required to keep her job.

    She damaged the project in so many ways I cannot believe the bosses never fired her.

    Fortunately I was never in her targets but I felt pity for those who were, generally no fault of their own.

    So, these emails look pretty tame compared to what I’ve seen out there.

    Still nasty nonetheless.

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  62. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    @Duxton
    Gilmore hasn’t learned the difference between being in public office and private office. In public office you are required to maintain a high level of diplomacy and behaviour. In private you can behave like a tyrant if you so choose.
    Regretfully, through experience, New Zealand businesses are riddled with these Machiavellian characters and that is in my view why this country has been so slow to develop to it’s full potential.

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  63. Honeybadger (209 comments) says:

    Gilmore should have used John Banks and John Keys excuse….’I dont remember’……..

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  64. frankdb (150 comments) says:

    Gilmore should just come out of the closet and admit it.

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  65. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Well he has apparently resigned what a storm in a tea cup (again) The punishment does not befit the ‘crime’ in my opinion.

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