Bob Jones on culture of entitlement

June 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

writes in the NZ Herald:

The Dom, as it’s colloquially known, plumbed the depths last year with a ridiculously over-the-top full-page photograph of a Queen’s Counsel caught driving over the limit; justifiable treatment only if he’d won the Nobel Prize or climbed Everest naked.

But it topped all previous idiocies recently when it devoted 90 per cent of the front page to a mind-blowingly non-story relating to a mortgagee house sale. Across the top it ran three photographs of a weeping Mrs Fesuiai.

Underneath, the bold-type lie, “An $800 debt spirals into $79,000″. I say “lie” because it transpired the original $800 car tyres loan back in 2003 was subsequently added to by further borrowings “to cover family events, gifts and other expenses”, in Mrs Fesuiai’s words. The interest rate quoted is the standard one for hire purchase, credit cards and the like.

I blogged on this story at the time.

But back to Mrs Fesuiai. It transpires, despite the lender’s overtures to accommodate her and her husband, both in full-time employment with their children grown up and gone, she remains obstinate, refusing to make payments, thus forcing the lender to pursue a mortgagee sale.

Their house has a valuation of $250,000 and they have equity in it of $120,000.

I researched the lender, Finance Now, and discovered it’s owned by one of our most respected and oldest banks, the Southland Building Society, formed in 1869. Last year, it was awarded the Financial Institution of the Year honour at the Roy Morgan Research Customer Satisfaction Awards. That’s quite a tribute, hardly suggesting usury.

Indeed.

All of this raises two issues. First, the incompetence of the Dom in insulting its readers with such front-page rubbish, a classic case of a newspaper creating the “news”. But it also highlights the mindset of many of our citizens with an unjustified sense of , an attitude the Dom promoted in presenting Mrs Fesuiai as a victim, which she most certainly is not.

Some media delight in finding and promoting victims. Campbell Live has turned it into a daily art.

Consider the account in this newspaper recently regarding the Avondale College ball. The school wants to prevent pupils attending whose parents haven’t paid the annual “donation” of $175, despite paying $110 for the ball ticket.

The Herald ran a photo of a Mr Tony Hunt and his crestfallen daughter. “This is extortion,” Mr Hunt complained.

In response, the board of trustees chairman correctly pointed out that the ball was an extra-curricular activity, thus they could set their own terms but “in the case of hardship the school would come to the party”.

The account did not detail Mr Hunt’s financial circumstances; still, one questions his priorities if he forks out $110 for a ball ticket but won’t chip in a tax-deductible mere $3.50 a week to aid his daughter’s education, as the parents of all but three of the college’s 2700 pupils have done.

Only three out of 2,700. That’s pretty good. No surprise the school doesn’t want to reward those who don’t.

State schools are substantially funded by the wider taxpaying community but across the land parents chip in a further $100 million annually in donations. But not Mr Hunt, because in his mind he is entitled to an education for his daughter at everyone else’s expense and to expect him to contribute is extortion.

How have we descended to this situation where so many citizens feel no moral qualms in living off their fellow citizens’ toil? Our welfare society’s excesses are morally bankrupt and we all know it.

Sir Bob on the mark.

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113 Responses to “Bob Jones on culture of entitlement”

  1. Manolo (14,031 comments) says:

    Two things can be blamed for today’s sorry state of affairs:
    1) a far too generous welfare state, exploited by bludgers and idlers; and
    2) a socialist mentality foisted on the masses by sucessive Labour and National governments.

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  2. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t expect to agree with Jones too often, but he is bang on with these two stories.

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  3. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Our welfare society’s excesses are morally bankrupt and we all know it.”

    I would disagree on this point. We do not all know it. Many children have grown to adulthood by means of immersion in the Dewey patterned education system. A system that does its best to eradicate morality by means of promoting such concepts as moral relativity and other Marxist/ Progressive devices.

    Sadly a large part of our population now has no understanding of the basic moral tenets (derived from our Christian ancestry) that once made NZ one of the best countries in the world.

    Today, as Bob points out, its a crime ridden welfare addicted shit hole and we have the anti-morality brigade, the Progressives and the Marxists, to blame. Not only for their work in education but also for their work in the political make up of ALL our political parties.

    And of course in the media (John Campbell is just the tip of the iceberg).

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  4. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Sadly a large part of our population now has no understanding of the basic moral tenets (derived from our Christian ancestry)

    What an idiotic thing to say. Religion has been the single biggest hurdle in developing morality and advancing mankind. Thankfully few Christians follow the bibles morality and are ok people, in spite of what the bible clearly instructs them to do.

    You are a moron Red. Instead of thumping the bible try reading the thing.

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  5. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Religion has been the single biggest hurdle in developing morality and advancing mankind.”

    Yeah, and look how well things went when the atheists took over. Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot. Really showed us all how wonderfully moral atheist governments are.

    (BTW, get an education will you you retard. I have said many times on this forum I am agnostic, and agnostics do not thump bibles.)

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  6. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    School donations are a farce. I read the accounts for my kids (decile 10) School. It only got a 60% collection rate on donations.

    I’ve always paid it as a mater of course. Plenty of well people appear not to

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  7. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    its a crime ridden welfare addicted shit hole

    Red, No it is not. NZ is one of the safest easiest places to live in the world. Even our economy is in better shape than most. There are some serious issues, but it is far from a shit-hole.

    You are a bitter twisted man throwing tantrums because not everyone shares your vision of an authoritarian uptopia. You really belong on the far left as they are your closest ideological match.

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  8. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I suggest that the teachers pay parents $1 for every spelling or grammatical error the former make in the notes they send home.

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  9. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    You really belong on the far left as they are your closest ideological match

    No way. He’s yours for life.

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  10. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “NZ is one of the safest easiest places to live in the world.”

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_ass-crime-assaults

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur-crime-burglaries

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_per_of_saf_wal_in_dar-crime-perception-safety-walking-dark

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  11. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Oh look, a link to an ass crime graph. This should be fun.

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  12. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Yeah, and look how well things went when the atheists took over. Stalin. Mao. Pol Pot

    You idiot. They were driven by socialism not atheism. Atheism is not a belief system.

    And spare me the cowardly “agnositic” crap. Either you believe in something or you do not. Grow a pair and pick a side. The default is atheism unless there is evidence. I see no evidence and so I do not believe. I do not hide behind the absurd “agnostic” label like a gutless appeaser, because I believe in truth. You just want to keep a foot in the door with religious conservatives. You are full of shit.

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  13. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    Really Kea.
    I agree with you that NZ, comparatively speaking, is still a good place to live, despite the inroads that the liberals and progressives are making in destroying our society.

    But you really do have to get of your hobby horse of denigrating Christianity and spreading lies and falsehoods. The Roman Empire before Christianity was starting to implode through moral decay, slavery and the like, and it was Christianity that held things together with order instead of chaos. It has done for 19 centuries – but Marxism, modernism and relativism are starting to collapse our society again – not Christianity.

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  14. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ass-crime-assaults

    :lol: Yes Weddy, like you I would feel so much safer walking the streets of Port Moresby or Islamabad than Wellington.

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  15. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “No way. He’s yours for life.”

    Like you Tom, Kea constantly attacks Redbaiter. This makes him one of yours. The idea that to be against a few things like institutionalized racism and welfare and global warming makes one a right winger is long outmoded. Kea is a Progressive and he’s therefore on your side of the political fence. Its why whenever there’s any serious disagreement on social/ political policy, you’ll find Kea Nasska Thedavincimode Griff etc all aligned with you guys. I’m you’re real enemy, because I do not buy into the suffocating ideological conformity of Progressivism, and I know you know that.

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  16. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    No way. He’s yours for life.

    Tom, I have no idea why Red thinks he is “right”. The little retard has the most authoritarian views I have ever heard. He mistakenly thinks right means conservative and appeals to some sort of religious inspired golden age of morality in the past, that never actually existed. I do not think he is much of a reader.

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  17. Rightandleft (670 comments) says:

    New Zealand supposedly has a free public education system, so the father is right to think his daughter should be entitled to free education. A donation is by definition voluntary. The school should thank those who donate, not punish those who don’t.

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  18. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “You just want to keep a foot in the door with religious conservatives.”

    Of course I do. They’re decent good moral people who are a massive force in combating the left. Progressives like you on the other hand are too confused about where you stand, have too much in common with the left and are therefore in any political battle just worthless white ants. In the battle for liberty I’d take a Christian any day over a Marxist besotted Progessive.

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  19. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Rightandleft –

    And she HAS received a free education.

    School ball is a social function not education.

    Although there are LESSONS to be had there:
    (1) There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
    (2) If you’re not paying for the lunch, you are the lunch.

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  20. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi, you would be forgiven for thinking that I have a problem with Christians. I actually do not. Though I am uncomfortable with religion generally for well considered reasons. However, I acknowledge that the need to believe in “something” is a very human trait. I work with an ordained Minister. We agree on most things about society, family and life. I largely believe what he believes, but it is not informed by God in my case.

    You will only see me “denigrating Christianity” in response to people claiming the moral high ground on the basis of their beliefs. Seldom will I fire the first shot.

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  21. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Rightandleft, as RRM points out, the school ball doesn’t count as part of her free education.

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  22. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “The default is atheism unless there is evidence.”

    If the default is atheism and you have evidence for this then tell me how the star system Sirius was formed. Tell me what is at the end of this universe. Tell me where time is headed. Tell me what was here before the perceived “big bang”.

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  23. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Red, Saudi Arabia has religious inspired law. Same God and everything as the Christians have. Big on law and order, light on charity and very conservative.

    Why do you not go there and spread your message of hate morality ?

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  24. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Lessons to learn from the school ball continued…

    (3) Use condoms
    (4) There’s only so much fun to be had at social functions based around drunken teenagers
    (5) pack raping some poor fellow in the rear with a broom handle is NEVER ok
    (6) Setting fire to your mate’s grass skirt in the toilets is NEVER ok
    (7) For the love of God, USE CONDOMS.

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  25. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    If the default is atheism and you have evidence for this then tell me how the star system Sirius was formed.

    No idea. Look it up.

    Maybe it was formed by little Fairies and Trolls ? Are you agnostic about Fairies and Trolls Red ? If not, why ?

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  26. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “They were driven by socialism not atheism. Atheism is not a belief system.”

    Socialism is a sub group of totalitarianism. Any field of competing ideas denies totalitarians the complete control they seek. All leftists from Marx onwards desired to eliminate religion for it would provide a competing belief system and therefore undermine totalitarian communism.

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  27. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “No idea. Look it up.”

    Look it up where?

    That is why you are a troll. You constantly fall victim to your own attempted traps.

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  28. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    …then tell me how the star system Sirius was formed….

    Ooh – I know the answer to this!

    An omipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator being made it.

    (Or are you perhaps referring to the crowd-funded SIRIUS “documentary” about area 51 and alien technology…? )

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  29. simonway (387 comments) says:

    I think the school should allow that kid to buy a ball ticket, but at a special increased price to reflect the fact that her parents haven’t paid the donation while (just about) all the other kids’ parents have. Say, perhaps, $285. That ought to cover it.

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  30. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Oh there’s RRM jostling for attention again.

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  31. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Although some discredited quack theory about the collapse of an accretion disc under gravitiational forces is also put forward by some corrupt scientician-types (no doubt trying to perpetuate their own funding streams…)

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  32. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Oh there’s Redbaiter jostling for attention again.

    ( ‘Cause no-one reads Truebluetumbleweedz.com, so you have to do it here :-P )

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  33. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    All leftists from Marx onwards desired to eliminate religion for it would provide a competing belief system and therefore undermine totalitarian communism.

    I 100% agree with that.

    You have just acknowledged that religion is used to control the masses. It always has been a political system not a spirtual one. All of the rotten unelected kings & queens had the church on their side helping to oppress the masses and keep them in servitude. In many countries today religious advisors still hold the power behind the throne. Many “believers” think this also and are opposed to organised religion for that very reason.

    Religion has done more to stamp out democracy than socialism has.

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  34. simonway (387 comments) says:

    Kea: I’m a leftist and I generally wouldn’t be in favour of policies to actively suppress religion. Though I’m very critical of post-Mao China, I prefer their strategy of trying to co-opt religious bodies, so that they support the regime.

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  35. Rick Rowling (815 comments) says:

    mikenmild (6,681) Says:
    June 4th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    I wouldn’t expect to agree with Jones too often, but he is bang on with these two stories.

    I wouldn’t expect to agree with Mikenmild too often, but he is bang on with this comment.

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  36. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Kea: I’m a leftist and I generally wouldn’t be in favour of policies to actively suppress religion.

    I support religious freedom. I do not support your second idea of religion supporting regimes, but I guess if that is what the majority of folk want it is democratic.

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  37. Rightandleft (670 comments) says:

    They are specifically banning her from the ball for not paying the voluntary donation. I was not even commenting on the school’s decision to ban her. I was commenting on Bob Jones claiming the father has a misplaced sense of entitlement. I’m saying the father is right to feel his daughter is entitled to a free education and the school shouldn’t take punitive actions against him for failing to do something entirely voluntary. If the ball is covered by the donation then charge a slightly higher amount to those who haven’t donated. Barring them entirely is wrong.

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  38. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    the higher amount is $175.

    education is free. ya just dont get fries with that.

    3 people out 2700? what a piece of garbage this guy is

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  39. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    More money for pokies, ciggies and lotto again is it ?

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  40. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    “More money for pokies, ciggies and lotto again is it ?:

    that is how a lot of poor people roll.

    only poor white people though. not one brown person rolls like that. that would be racist.

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  41. scrubone (3,104 comments) says:

    Some media delight in finding and promoting victims. Campbell Live has turned it into a daily art.

    I recall the coverage of Close Up and CL after the Feb quakes. CL was relentlessly negative.

    But I’d also point to Fair Go who these days seem as likely to side with the scammers as they do with the scammed – so long as the person who’s doing the scam is a “consumer”.

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  42. Fentex (1,015 comments) says:

    I’m not so sure he’s right about the dance. I agree that the parent in question seems a bit of a dick, but the idea that the dance is an extra-curricular event so doesn’t need to adhere to equal treatment of all students is a bit suspect to me.

    That sort of logic seems very spurious. The school is the school is a school and it seems an abuse of position to be a school implementing demands beyond legal requirements for participation in something it organizes.

    What if the child paid for the dance but their parent didn’t provide the donation? Attempting such fine slicing of responsibility and authority may please lawyers but is a morass of moral and ethical diffilculties best laid to rest by not attempting them.

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  43. scrubone (3,104 comments) says:

    All of the rotten unelected kings & queens had the church on their side helping to oppress the masses and keep them in servitude.

    You’re claiming that not once has “the church” stood against “the state” and have always enabled them.

    Boy, it must be a shock to your system when you pick up a history book!

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  44. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    You’re claiming that not once has “the church” stood against “the state” and have always enabled them.

    Where did I claim that ?

    There were times when the church struggled for power and control over people, in competition with the state. They still do that today in fact.

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  45. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Maybe that’s how a few poor people roll dime.

    But hey, if it fits your narrative then go ahead…

    Echo rinse, repeat and regurgitate.

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  46. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    If the default is atheism and you have evidence for this then tell me how the star system Sirius was formed. Tell me what is at the end of this universe. Tell me where time is headed. Tell me what was here before the perceived “big bang”.

    I don’t know. What I do know is that some smart people have some ideas, called hypotheses, about what was before the big bang, and that there is some evidence to support them. What I also know is that those same people will be happy to reject those hypotheses if there is evidence to suggest another answer or to disprove their answer. That is the scientific method, which differs significantly from religious dogma.

    How the fuck did this thread get to be about religion?

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  47. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “That is the scientific method, which differs significantly from religious dogma.”

    It was never about religious dogma, it was about Kea stating (falsely) that he had evidence to support his default atheist position. He said his opinions were based on truth, but when asked to answer those questions, said he didn’t know the answer. An answer he doesn’t know that is truthful. Some verbal gymnastics.

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  48. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    BWAV, you can’t seriously be accusing anyone of racism. You are by far the most racist poster I have ever seen on Kiwiblog.

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  49. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, now now stop telling wee lies.

    We are born atheists and we are taught religion. Which religion is an accident of birth. No believe in religion is the default position. Just as no belief in the Tooth Fairy, Trolls, Goblins and other nonsense is the default position.

    Get it through your head retard. There is nothing special about the Christian God. Non belief in that God is not a statement about anything and is not a belief. Any more than not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    Even naming someone an “atheist” is absurd. How about just calling them “reasonable” or “considered” or ” honest” instead.

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  50. big bruv (14,135 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi.

    “The Roman Empire before Christianity was starting to implode through moral decay, slavery and the like, and it was Christianity that held things together with order instead of chaos.”

    You bloody bible bashers don’t seem to have any issue at all telling bare faced lies.

    The old testament actively encourages slavery, it talks at length about a mans chattels which include his slaves.

    Morals, values and decent society preceded the bible and the con man who called himself the son of god.

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  51. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Even naming someone an “atheist” is absurd.”

    You said above it was your “default positition”. You just said you were “born an atheist”. You’ve been talking worthless shit all day and each time you’re called on it you just move on to something else. You’re just a rabbiting Marxist troll.

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  52. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Yeah they lie alright. We even see it in the bible with Mary the lying slut bullshiting about getting knocked up, because she did not know who the father was.

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  53. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Hay Red you never did tell me if your an “atheist” or “agnostic” about the Tooth Fairy ?

    I am actually God so I know what I am on about. Anyone who disagrees (I am God) is a communist atheist denying the truth. How else can you explain Sirius and all of creation ?

    Without me you would have no morality and be lost. This is true because I wrote it down.

    (Bet you are all confused now Reddy)

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  54. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    No, I’m not confused.

    You’re just a very superficial troll.

    Always have been always will be.

    What’s to be confused about?

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  55. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    That’s right Red, just avoid the points that show you up and hope people won’t notice.

    I try to understand what it is you stand for, but so far it appears to be nothing. When ever your ideas are tested against your own prophesied beliefs you crumble and throw a tantrum.

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  56. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    Reddy/Kea
    Get a room and get it out of your systems. Can’t you see that you love each other?

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  57. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “I try to understand what it is you stand for”

    You shouldn’t worry yourself unnecessarily. It takes a little intelligence to understand Conservatism, so it will no doubt always remain a mystery to you.

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  58. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Red, If you are representative of Conservative thought then I suggest it shows “little intelligence”.

    What exactly do you think being Conservative means ? The Taliban are Conservative. As have been many authoritarians.

    You are entitled to be Conservative and an authoritarian. I just ask that you stop self identifying as being on the right of the political spectrum. You are not one of us buddy, trust me.

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  59. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    mikenmild , Red seems stressed lately. I think the Compulsory Sodomy & Gay Marriage Act is taking its toll on the old bugger. He has never had so much lovin :)

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  60. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “The Taliban are Conservative.”

    Showing once again the absolute paucity of your political perceptions.

    And of course reaching out to your comrade Milky again.

    See it is just as I say.

    Milky and his openly commie mates are not really the trouble any longer. They’re gone. The enemies of freedom are the fake right, those who steeped in the mores of Progressivism, and narrow in their outlook and perceptions, continue to reach out to the left for support and sustenance. They are the real enemy. Always have been.

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  61. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Almost everyone is to Redbaiter’s far left.

    And you need to understand, that he is right, and everybody else is wrong.

    Just ask him :-)

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  62. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    The question might well be is there a real Redbaiter? I’m inclined to believe that Redbaiter is actually an artistic collective, funded by Creative NZ to amuse us all.

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  63. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    RRM knew on election night 2008, that Weddy’s impotent, visceral loathing of the leftwould soon be re-directed at the right, for being not right enough, in all manner of ways that would doubtless soon become apparent.

    And what do you know…? :lol:

    He is a man defined by his hatred. He knows nothing else. You won’t find a positive comment by Weddy anwhere. He has my pity…

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  64. big bruv (14,135 comments) says:

    “The Taliban are Conservative.”

    An absolute statement of fact, and all the more reason to denounce all religion.

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  65. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Red, I am not really concerned about left/right. I like good ideas. If milky the commie has a good idea, then I support the idea. Simple as that. You can not change anything by focusing entirely on points of difference. You bring about change and get people on board by building on common ground.

    Imagine you raising an army (to fight the communist gays) The first thing you would do is shoot all the volunteers for being traitors because they had a different view on giving milk to kids or something.

    You are really quite nutty :)

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  66. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Kea the troll moves on from yet another defeat.

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  67. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Milky the commie had a good idea last year. He told me HOBM were in with a chance! :)

    It’s taken a while! :)

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  68. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    HOBM still in with a chance this year, JB. Wainui I’m not so sure about.

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  69. big bruv (14,135 comments) says:

    Mike and Johnboy.

    Both of you had better get used to the idea that the mighty Ories will be this years champs.

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  70. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

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  71. Than (487 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter – You went with Alpha Centauri rather than Sirius last time.

    But the answer is the same; gravity. Gravitational forces pull clouds of gas together into a star, large stars go supernova resulting in widespread nucleosynthesis (via endothermal fusion reactions) of heavy elements, … blah blah blah… which was the result of the big bang.

    Would I be correct to guess your next question will be “what caused the big bang”?

    The answer is, we don’t know. And because (by the most widely accepted scientific models) time only started with the big bang, even the concept of a cause creates philosophical problems. It’s difficult to talk about a cause preceding an event without time for both to occur in.

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  72. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    Sir Bob forgets that the same level of obstinacy is exhibited by countless crooked directors of failed finance companies appearing in the courts on fraud charges involving millions of missing dollars. That same level of misconstrued self entitlement is apparent. Following the same line of reasoning as applied by Sir Bob I conclude that the right wing tory system is morally corrupt and we all know it.

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  73. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    “Would I be correct to guess your next question will be “what caused the big bang”?”

    that presumes the need for a 1st cause.

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  74. Scott (1,817 comments) says:

    yes to all Redbaiter said.

    Kea old chap-must you dominate every thread by posting incessantly? Couldn’t you have your say and then let others post for a while? It just seems bad manners old chap.

    I would add that the culture of entitlement has become all pervasive. Human rights is a concept where we have supposedly all these rights but no commensurate responsibilities. I just do not believe we have all these rights and yet have no responsibility to anyone else. The golden rule would suit us better- “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

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  75. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Scott, you are free not to read my contributions. Just as people are free not to read yours.

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  76. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Write some more Kea! :)

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  77. Lance (2,706 comments) says:

    @red
    Stop feeding the Kea troll. It’s yet other thread jack by the tiresome closed minded pratt.
    The clever little chap is professing himself to be wise…….

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  78. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Scott, you are free not to read my contributions. Just as people are free not to read yours.”

    That is not what he complained about.

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  79. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    Lance

    Kea adds balance….without him, at times, these threads would turn into one sided, Godaddled wankfest.

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  80. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Kea adds balance….”

    Bullshit.

    Like you he is an obsessive troll. I made one very distant reference to Christianity and he homed in on it above every other point and has gone on and on about it all fucking day. As he does every day.

    You obsessive secularists are far worse than any Christians who are much more discreet usually.

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  81. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    ….”You obsessive secularists are far worse than any Christians who are much more discreet usually.”….

    Crap….what’s discreet about Godnutters cutting & pasting Genesis & Revelations & a good part of goes between every day?

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  82. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    I made one very distant reference to Christianity

    No you used Christianity as the base on which to launch into an attack on modern NZ society. It was the central plank of your position.

    Sadly a large part of our population now has no understanding of the basic moral tenets (derived from our Christian ancestry) that once made NZ one of the best countries in the world.

    I suggested things were not so bad here, in spite of a few issues.

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  83. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I like Kea’s.

    I lay on a ridge at near 1800m in the St Arnaud for three hours once glassing a basin for Chamois.

    My only companion was a Kea. It sat beside me, within a few yards at times, watching me like a hawk for the whole time.

    I fooled myself that we were communicating. Once I realised that I was near frozen I clicked that the bird was sizing me up as a large meal.

    I got up to stagger back to camp and a Chamois jumped up right below where I had been lying for three hours and fucked off.

    The Kea kept looking at me.

    I thought about shooting the Kea but he wouldn’t be here to amuse us all now if I had! :)

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  84. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “Crap….what’s discreet about Godnutters cutting & pasting Genesis & Revelations & a good part of goes between every day?”

    I don’t see that. I see you and other secular progressives fastening your jaws on any slight reference to religion even if its a side issue and turning it into the main issue. As Kea did here. You’re smug, you’re not anywhere near as funny as you think you are, and you are trolls and abusers of this forum. I remember it before you obsessive smug unfunny dumbfuck secularists and your mania turned up and it was a lot more intelligent and a lot more fun.

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  85. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    “You obsessive secularists are far worse than any Christians who are much more discreet usually.”

    You obsessive secularists people who do not make up imaginary beings are far worse than any Christians who are much more discreet dishonest and sneaky usually.

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  86. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Evening all

    I see another highly intellectual discourse of opposing views has taken place while I’ve been in the bloody rain all day.

    Like Red says: and it was a lot more intelligent and a lot more fun.

    Sorry but like I said I’ve been at work all day, but I will now try to be funny and intelligent

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  87. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    You should buy an umbrella PEB! :)

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  88. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    …”a lot more intelligent and a lot more fun”….

    You’d need a weird sense of humour to enjoy reading screenfulls of the witterings of D4J, PhilU & yourself day in & day out. It was like a lunatic asylum for the cream of the crazies.

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  89. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Only relieved by my down home Wainui soliloquies! :)

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  90. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    It was horizontal JB

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  91. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    A rubbish sack with three holes works best in horizontal PEB

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  92. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    Excepting those JB! :)

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  93. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    I lay on a ridge at near 1800m in the St Arnaud for three hours once glassing a basin for Chamois.

    Done that myself a few times. I used to live and breathe Chammy hunting. Now I amuse myself by getting called names on KB ;)

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  94. mikenmild (11,664 comments) says:

    “To Wainui or not to Wainui…” Would that be the start of JB’s soliloquy?

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  95. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Who old are you Kea?

    Does the underside of your wings have a delicate hint of green amongst the scarlet?

    Do you respond to the name “Hooky” ! :)

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  96. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    Well, what do you expect Kea? You only got promoted from a Communist to a Progressive last Friday even if you did jump being a Socialist. :)

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  97. Than (487 comments) says:

    Johnboy – Agreed, the view from parts of the St Arnaud range are amazing. I had the opportunity to visit a DOC repeater site above Lake Rotoiti, and the view out over the lake was one of the most amazing sights I have ever seen.

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  98. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Yes Than. I was up on the top ridge of the Rainbow Skifield when I met Kea thirty odd years ago.

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  99. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    I just turned 48 Johnboy !

    Still fit enough to get up there and do it, just that life has changed a lot in my 40’s and I do not focus my life around hunting and guns. Though I am starting to miss it after a few years off. I have had some great adventures and seen some amazing country.

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  100. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    You’re not the Kea I thought of blowing away, he would only have been 2 or 3 in 1978! :)

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  101. Kea (13,355 comments) says:

    Johnboy, I fucked his daughter ;)

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  102. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    I hope your children are as smart and beautiful as he was!

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  103. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    and you are trolls and abusers of this forum.

    Pot, meet black hole.

    Red, you are the most notorious cyber lunatic in NZ, and have been for well over a decade and a half now (right back to when you used to call yourself “Sovereign Individual”.

    You don’t even have a coherent political worldview. Your schtick consists of you constantly labelling anyone and everyone you dislike as some combination of a Marxist, totalitarian communist, socialist, progressive, secular, liberal, notwithstanding the fact that you don’t appear to be acquainted with the actual meanings of any of those terms or the conceptual inconsistencies created by recklessly combining them in the way that you do.

    To top it all, you invariably rant about the authoritarian, anti-freedom, anti-free speech tendencies of New Zealand’s milquetoast “progressive” parties whilst at the same time holding up the Republic of Singapore as an ideal – an authoritarian, one-party state that is routinely on the list of human rights violators and which lacks a free press.

    And you wonder why you are the object of ridicule from both right and left.

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  104. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    Tom, you are the fruitcake.

    An obsessive one at that.

    Do I write endless screeds here giving my personal opinion of you?

    This is probably the third such outburst in a couple of days.

    Why is it so hard for you to understand that I couldn’t give a fuck what some deadbeat commie retard’s opinion of me might be? Don’t you think I have heard a hundred such opinions? Or maybe even a thousand. Why would you think I need to hear the same bigoted partisan opinons once again? FFS..!!

    Really, to me its more concerning that you would abuse the thread to write such off topic stuff than to hear what your view of Redbaiter might be.

    I don’t give a fuck and I don’t think anyone else does either. Get a life you sad whinging pitiful small minded commie. And try and stick to the thread topic.

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  105. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    BWAV, you can’t seriously be accusing anyone of racism. You are by far the most racist poster I have ever seen on Kiwiblog.

    Racism?…no

    Ignorance?….yes!!!

    …and its just as well your opinion doesnt mean shit or i might have been offended.

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  106. thedavincimode (6,869 comments) says:

    And try and stick to the thread topic.

    Bob Hope’s script writers live on.

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  107. AndyC (28 comments) says:

    Meanwhile back on topic. From my kids ex- primary school website (edited for clarity)

    In 2012, the annual Donation requested per student is $475

    A compulsory annual activity fee is payable by all students at the beginning of the year or on their first day of school.In 2012 the Activity Fee is a single fee of $75

    A compulsory annual technology fee is payable by all Year 7 & 8 students at the beginning of the year. In 2012 the Technology Fee is a single fee of $80.

    So that’s an all up bill of $1260. Not too shabby for a “donation”

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  108. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    Winston Churchill on Bob Jones:

    Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night
    into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains —
    and all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is effected
    by the labour and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of those
    improvements does the land monopolist, as a land monopolist, contribute, and yet by
    every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the
    community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to
    the process from which his own enrichment is derived.
    (Winston Churchill, 1909,
    quoted by Barker 2003, p. 116).

    Land tax: options for reform
    By Iain McLean
    http://www.nuff.ox.ac.uk/politics/papers/…/McLean%20Land%20tax.pdf
    Professor of Politics, Oxford University

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  109. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Winston Churchill? Tell me about the firebombing of Dresden and then tell me how he was such a pillar of social justice.

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  110. Redbaiter (9,503 comments) says:

    “So that’s an all up bill of $1260. Not too shabby for a “donation””

    Wouldn’t be so bad if they were actually being educated and not just processed through a bunch of second rate socialist sausage factories staffed by third rate illiterate ignorant of history commies who rejoice in the misnomer of teachers.

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  111. Honeybadger (226 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, back to topic……..But back to Mrs Fesuiai. It transpires, despite the lender’s overtures to accommodate her and her husband, both in full-time employment with their children grown up and gone, she remains obstinate, refusing to make payments, thus forcing the lender to pursue a mortgagee sale.

    and then she went crying to the media? really?

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  112. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Do I write endless screeds here giving my personal opinion of you?

    Your posts contain more personal attacks per square foot than those of any other living human.

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  113. markblackham (13 comments) says:

    Bob Jones is right, but we don’t need to worry as much as all that about the effect of entitlement-driven media stories. A great many of the general public see straight through this rubbish. They know the story is bunk. I increasingly advise my clients NOT to give in to media-driven entitlement but to stand their ground if their position is fair. The general public are reasonable judges.

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