Campbell vs Peters

June 11th, 2013 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

If you want some humour, watch this interview of Winston Peters by John Campbell. Not sure whether it is more funny or sad.

Peter George has a transcript:

Campbell: How did he breach national security?

Peters: Well he leaked information on a very important report, to do with the malfunction of the GCSB, that’s the Kitteridge report, and then there’s the matter of moral within the GCSB, a separate matter, no no no, let me finish, you want to know how I’m going to give you a snapshot, just three, not all of them, just three. And the third one was he made reference to someone he should not have made reference to on the question of the GCSB appointments.

Campbell: Ok, let’s go through these things one at a time. The Kitteridge report, it was going to be made public.

Peters: I know what you’re trying to say, and some of your colleagues are doing the same, they’re saying…

Campbell: No wait a minute, I’m not trying to say anything, it’s a statement of fact

Peters: …over the last twenty four hour, a repetitive argument he just broke the embargo…

Campbell: You’re hearing fact, you’re hearing fact…

Peters: …let me tell you why it’s not fact, and I’m sure you’re interested in that, the ah Fairfax outlet said it was a secret report, and it was, the second thing is it was described in the State Services and parliamentary record of being such a document in it’s past precedence. Then you’ve got the fact an investigator appointed by the National Party, said as well it was classified and highly sensitive…

Campbell: Mr Peters, look, I can’t sit here and let you spout nonsense to me, absolutely, I’m going to read what David Henry said, verbatim quote. 

“On the afternoon of 27th March Mr Dunne was given a numbered copy of the Kitteridge report” – which was going to be made public – “but not the classified appendices”.

In other words he didn’t have classified material. No, you know that. Why are you sitting here tonight saying that he did?

Peters: Because you haven’t asked any questions about what happened by way of conversation within five MPs, including the Prime Minister who sat on the Intelligence and Security committee, you don’t know that, and I don’t think Mr Henry bothered to ask as well which is why I raised questions about the way he was conducting this inquiry.

I’ve been on that committee, I know something about what I’m talking about and I know what international ramifications are, and I’m not going to stand by while cynical people who said from day one there was nothing in this, now repeat that he merely broke an embargo. I’m sorry, this is out number one security agency, it interrelates with international agencies and our respect and integrity is on the line, and it’s important.

He just couldn’t answer the question, so did the normal bluster.

Campbell: Ok, what evidence is that?

Peters: That’s the evidence that backs up what I’m saying, and every day it unfolds, you will find that out.

Campbell: What evidence is that?

Peters: Well it’s evidence of, ah, improperly liaison meetings with disclosure of secret, confidential, private information, not just in one area but in a number of areas.

Campbell: Do you have the emails?

Peters: I’ve told you from day one that I have the evidence sufficient to make allegations, both to you, inside parliament because you wouldn’t publish it otherwise, and outside parliament… 

Campbell: Yes or no, do you have the emails?

Peters: Well of course I’ve got information I need to back up my…

Campbell: Yes or no, do you have the emails?

Peters: No no no, you’re not going to know, what I want you to tell me is why you aren’t asking the Prime Minister, Prime Minister, why can’t we see the information that you won’t show the public.

A nice calling of Peters’ bluff.

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44 Responses to “Campbell vs Peters”

  1. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Classic Winston tactics, and I thought John’s interview showed them up very nicely.

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  2. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Remarkabaly from that performance 3 News managed to find one coherent statement from Peters and that’s what they headlined – Peters: Dunne’s leak ‘illegal, totally improper’.

    But the claim they have highlighted is (according to lawyers) false.

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  3. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Great interview by Campbell. He exposed Peters to be the bluff-and-bluster merchant that the NZ First leader has been for years.

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  4. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    One of the few times Campbell did a good job. Peters has next to nothing. Enough to throw the dung and he got lucky some of it stuck

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  5. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    And ironically…

    Some have claimed that Peters has scored a major hit on Dunne, although the Henry report was going to expose Dunne’s dalliances anyway.

    But anti-Peters sentiment has helped give the ailing UF membership a major boost. I’ve heard there will be an announcement today of numbers that might be the envy of other small parties. It’s not a recovery, yet, but it’s a very encouraging reprieve.

    Thanks Winston.

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  6. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Every single interview of this old scrote should be prefaced with a question asking when he is going to repay the 157k he trousered. Every single time.
    The feeble minded flock that follow him need reminding every day. Most of the mouth breathers that vote for him seem to have a memory half life of around 1 week.

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  7. PaulP (150 comments) says:

    Was also funny that at one point he said there was five things (MPs or something) and he held up three fingers. Can’t speak, can’t count.

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Peters also said “I live and die by this issue”. If he can’t now produce a transcript of the e-mails between Peter Dunne and Andrea Vance, the political undertakers might well be taking an unhealthy interest in Peters’ dimensions, and the digger might be fired up :D

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  9. Alan Wilkinson (1,878 comments) says:

    At least you can’t call Winston a party hack. He couldn’t care less about the party or anyone or anything else, it is all about him.

    @BBill, brilliant!

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  10. SPC (5,636 comments) says:

    If the Peters source is a leak of the Henry report he has not seen the emails. If his source is in the GCSB (the same but what was in them can be inferred), then the emails were under surveillance and this is why he claims the PM knows what is in them (Key only denies having seen the emails not knowing what is in them, someone who has can tell him what was in them).

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  11. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    The GCSB should not know what is in the emails, it is illegal for them to spy on New Zealanders, and it would be particularly abhorrent for them to spy on MPs and journalists.

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  12. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Question: with the accusation from the pensioner that Dunny’s act was “illegal”, does that open up the prospect of legal action from Dunny against Winny?

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  13. iMP (2,387 comments) says:

    Hager has the emails, from the same person who hacked Don Brash’s emails, and it’s all a conspiracy which is how I’d describe Winston’s grey pinstriped suit.

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  14. SPC (5,636 comments) says:

    Pete George

    And the GCSB has never placed New Zealanders under surveillance … and does not have the legal right to do so ….

    And the GCSB has no connection to Echelon that uses word search (“GCSB”?) to surveillance communications around the world, including locally.

    And what about the emails form offshore to Vance?

    A few years ago President George W Bush gave the FBI Director an order to illegally spy on Americans, he carried it out. Later Congress gave backdated approval for the spying – they could have impeached the President and imprisoned the FBI Director. This is the Congress that approves their spying and makes it “legal”.

    And proposed legislation gives the GCSB the right to spy on New Zealanders …

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  15. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    Watching Winston question John Key in Parliament, it seemed to me that his left hand holding the papers was trembling, and when he put them down he leant on the left arm and clutched the left hand firmly with the right. Maybe a symptom of the night before , what else could it be. His questions were garbled and garrulous as ever.

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  16. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    What Winston has failed to mention is that if he has seen the emails then, unless he got them from the reporter, he is likely to have been shown them by someone who illegally accessed or disclosed them. If he has them in his possession then he quite likely has them illegally. Perhaps Dunne should complain to the Police.

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  17. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The GCSB should not know what is in the emails, it is illegal for them to spy on New Zealanders

    You cannot be serious.

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  18. rdc (3 comments) says:

    There is one thing, that Winston almost said that I agree with, just because the goverment says the report was to be made public, doesn’t mean it actually was, is there any evidence that prior to the leak, they were planning to release it?

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  19. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    PaulP

    That was just Peters having a senior moment. He must have lost track of where was and thought he was ordering a treble.

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  20. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    ross69 – yes I am serious, that’s what the whole Kitteridge thing was about, the GCSB was found to have been spying on New Zealanders (on behalf of others) illegally.

    rdc – they were definitely planning to release it, but I’m nor sure if they were planning to release or would have released the whole report or not.

    Once the report was out there was no point in not releasing the whole report officially.

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  21. 3-coil (1,220 comments) says:

    Dear old Winnie – this is the reptile that John Key is no longer ruling out as a future coalition partner. Start praying now that National don’t have to swallow that particular dead rat!

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  22. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    Typical Peters, lower than a snakes arsehole

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  23. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    I believe you are in computers or something PG…judging by that spin: “this is all good for the membership of UF!” You have a brilliant career waiting for you at Crosby Textor, or someone like them..

    Barnsley Bill: Spot on…”Mr Peters, where’s the 158 K.?” Everyone time they interview him about anything…But what a pathetic lot of sheeple we are…except for the 0.01% of political geeks who inhabit these things, the people have all forgotten about it! He has successfully made it last years’ news…

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  24. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Where did National get it’s $158,000?…… and heaps more where that came from. The problem with the party political system is that if you will do the bidding for certain interests your fortunes are assured.

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  25. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Peters says he has something “otherwise this car is traveling a long way on an empty tank”.

    We need NZ First to counter Harcourts Shanghai (on the one hand), phoney greens and getmeintotheUN on the other.

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  26. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    hj

    Do you have a criminal record? You seem to have the requisite indifference to standards of behaviour.

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  27. Pete George (23,591 comments) says:

    Campbell could be interesting tonight:

    @rebeccawright

    “I will sue you. I will sue your programme.” Tonight @CampbellLiveNZ

    https://twitter.com/rebeccawright/status/344327744500412416/photo/1/large

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  28. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    “You seem to have the requisite indifference to standards of behaviour.”

    That’s rich coming from someone as amoral as yourself.

    And if all you have to offer is speculation on the character of other commenters, always at the expense of the issue being discussed, maybe you should just shut the fuck up altogether.

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  29. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    General Custard talks tough :roll:

    You seem to be turning into a bit of a stalker Russell. I didn’t even turn up at GD yesterday and there you were – gobbing off about your clever lubricant epithet. You aren’t dreaming about me now are you. Too scary.

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  30. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    “You seem to be turning into a bit of a stalker Russell.”

    That’s rich once again Kevin. You’ve been stalking Redbaiter like some kind of crazed homosexual creep for more than a year. Filling this blog with hundreds if not thousands of completely off topic comments. Just like now. Not that you’d ever feel any shame about it.

    That retards like you represent the National Party today is why its just another mainstream left wing political force that by its state of abject political confusion allows Winston Peters to get popular traction.

    If the Nat Party was worth a pinch of goat shit Winston would have been history 6 years ago.

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  31. Griff (7,799 comments) says:

    Reddy has lost any respect
    imagine ticking yourself up
    what a total twat .
    Here is one for you red
    this is a liberal blog DPF is a socal liberal as are most sane commentators
    you are a retarded conservative so in reality its you that should f off.
    Why don’t you just post on true blue you are quite welcome to post your retarded bullshit on your own blog
    except no one reads it other than a few sycophatic arse lickers .
    Some conservatives on here earn respect and generate traffic to their blogs you don’t.
    All you generate is your own arse licking green ticking.

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  32. thedavincimode (6,800 comments) says:

    The self parody continues …

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  33. nasska (11,579 comments) says:

    Things getting you down Baity? Give yourself a few more “thumbs up”….go on….you know you deserve them. :)

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  34. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    Talking on thumbs Nasska, why don’t you take your own out of Thedavaseinemode’s arsehole? Another gayboy whose laughable posturing as a a right winger has weakened National and allowed Winston the opportunity to hang around.

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  35. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reddy seems to be gearing up for a virtuoso performance. Ready to vote, everyone?

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  36. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    “You’ve been stalking Redbaiter”

    I recently read somewhere that referring to oneself in the third person is a sure fire sign of megalomania.

    Seems about right.

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  37. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    Heck, ain’t that a surprise.

    The commie Milkie is here quick as a flash to help his buddies Narsekisa, Bigot Bruv and Thedavaselinemode.

    Birds of a feather.

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  38. nasska (11,579 comments) says:

    See what I mean Reddy….one little tick & I bet you feel all gooey inside.

    Feel the love. :)

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  39. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    :) :) :)

    Gosh Narsekissa, you’re just so uproariously funny.

    How do I know that?

    Because you’re always claiming to be.

    :) :) :)

    Apparently all it takes is a few smiley faces, and you’re qualified as a Kiwiblog comedian of the first order.

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  40. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reddy is always on at folks for being off topic, so I thought I should look upthread and respond to his comment on this post. Um…

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  41. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    One little “eyes too close together” prick interviewing another “wrinkles getting even closer together” prick.

    Some of you bastards should get a proper hobby! :)

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  42. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    For you Red… :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ………….! :)

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  43. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Pete George (17,828) Says:
    June 11th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Campbell could be interesting tonight:
    ……
    Campbell had some problem with the computer and couldn’t bring us… (as I understood with one eye on the program).
    What gives Pete George?

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  44. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    tone wrote:

    dodgy dunnne and badboy banks are on the run many thanks!
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Peters-Dunnes-leak-illegal-totally-improper/tabid/367/articleID/300949/Default.aspx

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