Editorials lash Norman

June 5th, 2013 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Dom Post editorial:

If ’s purpose in likening to former prime minister Sir Robert Muldoon was to demonstrate that the Green Party is now as eager to make personal attacks as other political parties, his speech to the Green Party’s annual conference in Christchurch should be judged a triumph.

And their problem is one you lose a brand attribute, it is very hard to get it back. If the Greens ever again proclaim they don’t do personal attacks, people will and should laugh.

If, on the other hand, the Australian-born and educated co-leader of the environmental party was attempting to convince voters he shares their experiences, it was an abysmal failure.

When Muldoon was Prime Minister, Norman was running around Australia promoting Marxism.

However, to suggest Mr Key’s personal style is akin to that of Sir Robert is to do nothing but betray ignorance.

The two could not be more different. Sir Robert was a micro-manager; Mr Key delegates. Sir Robert snarled; Mr Key smiles. Sir Robert banned journalists from press conferences, insulted foreign leaders and once punched a demonstrator outside a meeting. Mr Key occasionally gets a little tetchy.

“Divisive and corrosive” Sir Robert certainly was, although, ironically, his command and control approach to running the economy was probably closer to Green Party policy than anything seen since he was voted out of office in 1984.

That’s a good point. Many of the economic policies of the Greens are Muldoonist.

The curious thing about Dr Norman’s attack is that it is he who has resorted to the Muldoonist tactic of attacking the man and Mr Key who has responded by playing the issue.

The Press editorial is similar:

The strident personal attack by the co-leader of the Greens, Russel Norman, on Prime Minister John Key at the weekend may have gone down well with the 100 or so faithful he was addressing at a party conference in Christchurch.

But to most others, even those on the Left, it will have seemed strikingly ill-judged. It introduced an unpleasant personal note not heard since the days, oddly enough, of Robert Muldoon, the man whose name he invoked to make an invidious comparison with the present prime minister.

Both have concluded that it was Norman, not Key, who was exhibiting Muldoon type qualities. That’s some political genius to achieve that.

Norman can perhaps be forgiven for not understanding the truly corrosive nature of many of Muldoon’s actions – the nasty personal attacks on political opponents, the shatteringly divisive Springbok tour, the disastrous economic policies, the final unwillingness to relinquish power after political defeat. Norman did not come to New Zealand until five years after Muldoon’s death and 23 years after he fell from power. But the memory of the toxic nature of much of what happened under Muldoon is still strong to those who lived through it, and to many who heard of it later. And they know perfectly well that nothing done by the present Government can remotely be compared.

So why did he do it? Desperation?

It suggests, too, that Norman is not entirely confident that he can make electoral headway on policies alone. The Greens in recent months have made a lot of the running on Opposition policy, particularly economic policy, so much so that a pollster asked a question suggesting that Norman was Bill English’s opposite number on finance rather than Labour’s finance spokesman, David Parker. Much of this (a radical loosening of monetary policy, a government-run electricity market) along with Labour’s own policies (government housing projects), has been seen by many analysts as taking the Opposition on a lurch to the Left.

The latest opinion polls, which showed little reaction to the policies, disappointed the Opposition. The answer to that disappointment should not, however, be a resort to personal attack. That really would be an undesirable step down the slippery track toward Muldoonism.

Imagine what he would be like if he got to be Finance Minister!

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81 Responses to “Editorials lash Norman”

  1. alex (298 comments) says:

    Honestly, right now New Zealand needs a Muldoon type figure, who is willing to invest in energy infrastructure for the future. All Key seems to want to invest in is roads.

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  2. greenjacket (346 comments) says:

    “So why did he do it? Desperation?”
    Russell Norman really hates John Key personally – all that has happened is that Norman’s venom for Key is now public.

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  3. dishy (199 comments) says:

    Norman reminds me of many things. A rare wave of politeness allows me to mention only one: the sorcerer’s apprentice, whose numeorus attempts to solve a problme all made it worse. Norman should quit while he is behind.

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  4. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    How is anybody supposed to invest in “energy infrastructure for the future” when the Green lobby doesn’t want coal, because it’s dirty; wind, because it’s ugly; tidal, because it probably scares dolphins or something and nuclear, because it’s “dangerous”?

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  5. hannity (138 comments) says:

    ‘When Muldoon was Prime Minister, Norman was running around Australia promoting Marxism’

    At 13 years old?, he must have been fit.

    Got any more green ‘secrets’

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  6. RRM (8,988 comments) says:

    I think if enough of us hold hands in a circle, we can harness Gaia’s magical energy…?

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  7. lofty (1,295 comments) says:

    @greenjacket, not only does norman personally hate Mr John Key, PM, but if you read the watermelon blog sites and comments from their 120 supporters on other “right” aligned blogs, the whole 120 membership hates him…..a small price to pay ;-)

    Having broken one of their core values…..there is no going back.

    The 2 headed hydra will bring down a terrible terrorism upon us, such as has never been witnessed before.

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  8. symgardiner (11 comments) says:

    This will cost the Greens 2-3% in the next poll. Basically most of their non-core.

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  9. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Perhaps someone with better knowledge than I of the Muldoon years can make a list of similarities between Muldoon and Russell Normal. Here’s a start:

    – Believing that NZ can control exchange rates.
    – Price controls.
    – Wage controls.
    – Controls on imports.
    – Protectionist policies.
    – “Think Big” projects.

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  10. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    To steal an expression from Helen Clark when describing John Campbell. He is a little creep. In fact he is a toxic little creep. I have some well meaning green friends who just do not believe where the creep is coming from as what he has been saying is totally against their beliefs.

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  11. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “I have some well meaning green friends”

    lol..is there such a thing..

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  12. Viking2 (10,703 comments) says:

    HMM,
    con men are usually very likeable people.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10888430

    and then of course there are a bunch of other issues that are called pragmatic rather than what they should called.

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  13. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    Interesting that even on Frogblog the Norman/Muldoon approach has been criticised by a majority:
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2013/06/02/general-debate-june-2-2013/

    I got an email from Jeanette Fitzsimons yesterday asking for campaign money for the Greens. I suspect Greens thought she would distract from the Norman invasion and weedle cash out of old Green supporters.

    I told her how disappointed I was with the integrity of the new Greens compared to the old Greens. I asked if she would consider making a comeback – no response yet.

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  14. wiseowl (571 comments) says:

    Q st farmer.
    You just can not compare Rob with Norman.
    The times were completely different and with issues like the price of petrol increasing something like threefold, well it didn’t make things that simple.
    It was Douglas that screwed the country in 84 when he let all his mates know he would devalue the dollar.That’s what caused the run of currency out of NZ.
    I had occasion to meet him several times and found him to be scary but at the same time extremely intelligent and a very caring person.That is he cared about the average kiwi.
    We should be thankful for the so called think big projects.
    Norman is a nothing.

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  15. Paulus (2,292 comments) says:

    You cannot expect the corrosive Norman would ever let Janette back.

    She is too honest a Green person, and I expect could never respect Norman and his coterie of mainly women,white, middle class, well educated, mixed nationality members.

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  16. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    All Key seems to want to invest in is roads.

    Do the Greens offer unlimited koolaid at their conferences? You’re near to drowning.

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  17. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  18. peterwn (2,933 comments) says:

    alex – See this:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8748176/Transpowers-Strange-a-hard-act-to-follow
    If this is not energy infrastructure investment – I do not know what is. As far as other energy infrastructure investment you are mentioning – the key thing is for the Government to set the appropriate regulatory climate so that people have confidence to invest. The Government should not be exploring for oil and gas, mining phosphate from the Chatham Rise, building power stations etc – this is best left to private enterprise.

    Of course the Greens are doing their level best to scare off investors in these things – they must make up their minds – do they want jobs or not. The only jobs the Greens want are soft high paid jobs investigating this that and the other with little or no accountability. They do not want *real* jobs which produce for the economy, you have to work hard and are acutely accountable for your mistakes.

    it can be difficult for people to talk about

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  19. b1gdaddynz (264 comments) says:

    It is a pity that we no longer have a Green party! Yes they may call them selves “The Greens” but they are far more socialist than environmentalist! Making nasty personal attacks is the result of having an ineffective policy platform!

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  20. dishy (199 comments) says:

    ross69: It’s heartening to know that John Key sometimes seeks better ways to use his time than wasting it on biased, idiotic, mischievous journalists who’d rather smear him than give us decent, balanced, researched stories.

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  21. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

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  22. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    When Muldoon was Prime Minister, Norman was running around Australia promoting Marxism.

    When Muldoon became PM in ’75, Norman was 8 years old. Those damn Marxists, they breed ‘em young. :)

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  23. dishy (199 comments) says:

    wiseowl: I agree. Remember, too, that Muldoon was enough of a Kiwi bloke to be strongly supported by the likes of the Mongrel Mob and Black Power. I’d like to see Norman bowl into gang headquarters and start his hideous bleat. I really would like to see how that works out for him…..

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  24. Komata (966 comments) says:

    FWIW: Something which seems to be being overlooked is that Rob Muldoon had seen war service (WW2) and as with many of his generation, came home after war’s end with a desire to make NZ better than it had been bfore he went away (remembering that he was a ‘depression kid’, who had seen things become very, very hard during that time). As such he identified with the ‘normal kiwi bloke’, because, as far as he was concerned, he was one. He’d fought alongside them and knew their aspirations and dreams. It should also be recalled that a large part of his electorate was in Glen Innes/Tamaki/panmure. These are of course, all low-socio-economioc areas largely inhabitted by PI and Maori, yet he really believed that he had an an empathy and an identification with them. Certianly, with time he DID become obnoxious and a bit out of touch (a common trait amongst pollies BTW), but to the end, he still believed that he was ‘an ordinary Kiwi bloke’ who had had the good fortune to both survive the war, be able to attend university and give something back to his country in gratitude. It’s this latter bit which is largely overlooked. If you view his actions vis a vis ‘think Big’, the World Bank and his attempt to ‘protect’ NZ from what was going-on beyond our shores (and resist the creeping socialist octopus) as part of this ‘giving back’ aspect, his actions are actually quite reasonable and logical.

    And as for (Sir) Roger Douglas (and his mate Richard Prebble) ? ‘Turncoat’ is a word that comes to mind (but that’s another story).

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  25. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Really? So when Key compares the Greens’ policies to Hugo Chavez and North Korea, he is playing the issue?

    Yes, really. Even your own example does not have Key attacking Norman personally. As you admit, he was attacking the Greens’ policies.

    Norman, on the other hand, resorts to personal attack.

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  26. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    dishy said

    Remember, too, that Muldoon was enough of a Kiwi bloke to be strongly supported by the likes of the Mongrel Mob and Black Power. I’d like to see Norman bowl into gang headquarters and start his hideous bleat. I really would like to see how that works out for him…..

    Maybe the Mongs or the Blacks could help Russel to get his flag back :P

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  27. Matt (221 comments) says:

    Hi David. I know it’s on the talking points, but would it be possible at all to refrain from constantly asking us to imagine what it would be like with Russ in charge of the Treasury? We get the picture. Thanks.

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  28. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    “if the member is trying to make some other allegation, then yes, I knew Ian Fletcher. I went to school with his brother…His brother was way brighter than Grant Robertson” ~ John Key

    Yeah, queenstfarmer, nothing personal in that at all. It must be uncomfortable wearing that eye-patch. :)

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  29. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    “We should be thankful for the so called think big projects.”

    Are you insane?

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  30. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    Obviously someone is getting nervous and desperate.

    John Key has been compared to Muldoon for years –

    this one dated 2011 – http://bestjobsboard.com/category/john-key/page/5/

    another 2010 – http://thestandard.org.nz/tag/robert-muldoon/

    and here’s one from 2007 comparing Helen Clark to Muldoon

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/38028/Former-Labour-leader-likens-Clark-to-Muldoon

    I guess you lot don’t get out much eh?

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  31. kiwi in america (2,330 comments) says:

    ross69
    Its you who is wearing the eye patch – there was not a scintilla of anything personal in Key’s attack – it was aimed fair and square at how he saw the Green’s policy – I’m struggling to recall any public speech of Key’s where he has even mentioned Norman by name. Norman however made his attack pointedly and blatantly at and about Key – its good to see the mainstream media calling out the odiousness of Norman’s Muldoon comparison. The Greens have just surrendered a key electoral advantage – one nurtured carefully and successfully over decades by Fitzsimmon and Donald – that of operating above the beltway cesspool of personal attacks. The Greens recent success was heavily reliant on new often young low information voters not died in the wool tree huggers or socialists who form their base of about 5% – playing big old party politics runs the real risk of turning this demograph off or at least keeping them at home on election day.

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  32. kiwi in america (2,330 comments) says:

    Key spoke the truth – I went to school with Ian Fletcher’s brother – he was indeed brighter than Robertson and was Dux in his 7th form year! Telling the truth is hardly an attack.

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  33. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    “‘When Muldoon was Prime Minister, Norman was running around Australia promoting Marxism’

    At 13 years old?, he must have been fit.”

    Was Muldoon out of power in 1980? or are you just another lying shit head lefty. thats what i thought.

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  34. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    queenstfarmer (423) Says:
    June 5th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Norman, on the other hand, resorts to personal attack.

    —————————————-

    So when John Key calls another MP a ‘worm’, that is being nice is it?

    Get over yourself. John Key is the same as the rest of them, and they are all as bad as each other. The only decent one is now in London – arise Sir Lockwood!

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  35. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    “Really? So when Key compares the Greens’ policies to Hugo Chavez and North Korea, he is playing the issue? Key regularly attacks the man.”

    lmao who is this greens person? how could anyone personally attack mr greens? hes a good bastard haha

    or are you worried that chavez would be offended to be compared to the commie greens?

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  36. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    “When Muldoon became PM in ’75, Norman was 8 years old.”

    Muldoon did a lot in that one year he was PM.. oh wait.

    its fuckin hilarious watching the lisping left grasp at straws.

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  37. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    A good letter to the editor:
    Anyone thinking of voting for the Greens and their junior partner, Labour…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/8756644/Letter-The-Greens-and-the-junior-partner

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  38. kiwi in america (2,330 comments) says:

    Judith
    The point is that the Greens including Norman traded for years heavily on the pure above the mucky fray of sledging politics – they can do longer do this.

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  39. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    “It is a pity that we no longer have a Green party! Yes they may call them selves “The Greens” but they are far more communist than environmentalist!”

    fify

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  40. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    @ross69, obviously someone needs to take you aside and explain the difference between humour and invective.

    As a former co-leader of the Values Party I am sorry to say that the Greens under Norman and Turei are an intellectual and ethical disgrace to the original foundations of the movement. They are utterly unscrupulous fanatical Reds, not Greens. Their strategy and objectives are entirely Red – Green is just a useful tactic.

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  41. Fisiani (851 comments) says:

    The Greens have been given a free ride so far. All the talk in previous elections was about what nasty Labour would do. The Greens were allowed to freely pick up the votes of the naïve recycling mothers of Karori Kelburn and Remuera.
    The Greens are an easier target to aim at in 2014 Green =backwards= less jobs= no progress= stagnation.
    That Green scum on the pond is due to stagnation.

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  42. Liberty (211 comments) says:

    “When Muldoon was Prime Minister, Norman was running around Australia promoting Marxism”
    Norman is still running around promoting Marxism. But he now does it under a shroud of Green
    Because that gives the warm fuzzy to the great unwashed. The reality is
    The Green Party is no different to the old socialist unity party. The Green leaders have only
    Swapped cloth caps for designer clothes. Under the thin veneer they are still hard core commies.

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  43. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (1,901) Says:
    June 5th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

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    Well I guess that entirely depends on your opinion of Rob Muldoon, doesn’t it? Obviously DPF thinks it an insult, along with many others.

    I happen to think he was a hard working, intelligent, and successful individual, who made it to the position he aspired to – at bit like John Key, has done. Their politics at times are very similar, sometime not so.

    Like it or not, you would have to be stupid not to see the similarities between them. It’s entirely subjective as to whether you take that as an insult or not.

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  44. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    “Matt (185) Says:
    June 5th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    Hi David. I know it’s on the talking points, but would it be possible at all to refrain from constantly asking us to imagine what it would be like with Russ in charge of the Treasury? We get the picture. Thanks.”

    Maybe you could give us a quick rundown then Matt. Because I don’t see that a lot of people really think about what a “Green”(sic) government would actually look like in NZ. They might start to get a feel for it when they lose their job or when the banks run out of money due to the run on their funds (as per Greece). The latter might even happen a bit quick for Russels printing press to keep up.

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  45. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Judith:

    So when John Key calls another MP a ‘worm’, that is being nice is it?

    Where did John Key call someone a ‘worm’? Or does someone just think that he did, and therefore that becomes your only example?

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  46. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    It’s subjective isn’t it. Just like saying John Key is like Muldoon – could be either a compliment or an insult – depending on your interpretation.

    I guess its all open to interpretation, but the media at the time decided John Key was referring to Phil Goff as the worm – they were about to meet for another debate.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iPHPbJnwXc?rel=0&w=560&h=315

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  47. Akld Commercial Lawyer (138 comments) says:

    If I can be permitted to hive off at a slight tangent, I have been alerted to an interesting paper published by the chair of the Electricity Authority – Dr Brent Layton. See https://www.ea.govt.nz/about-us/news-events/media-releases/5jun13/

    In short, he does a Martin Guptill to some of the so-called underpinnings of the Power NZ snowjob and that of some of the cheerleaders who came out in support of the Greens/Labour proposal suggesting that it had some air of credibility.

    From where I sit, any suggestion that Parker presents as a credible finance spokesman is a beltway myth that has been shattered, indeed shattered from the time that he lined up looking sheepish at the first announcement. And at the risk of diving into what is a very political debate any suggestion that Dr Norman is the on-course substitute defies belief. This country deserves a credible opposition and has less than a year to find one in order to have any hope of a rational debate come election time. We already have one Winston, further descent into tedious (and typically baseless) personal attacks rather than meaningful policy backed up with credible evidence simply drags everyone into the swamp. Regardless of your personal convictions – I cannot see how bog-wallowing helps anyone.

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  48. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Judith, are you just making this up, or do you genuinely believe it?

    the media at the time decided John Key was referring to Phil Goff

    Where are the examples of “the media” (not some opposition-aligned blogs) “deciding” that John Key had called Phil Goff a worm?? There aren’t any, because he didn’t, and you know it. On the other hand, we have numerous editorials and columnists rightly blasting Norman’s idiotic and plain wrong personal attack on John Key.

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  49. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    Key is nothing like Muldoon. Politics was always absorbing when Muldoon was PM. All present politicians are bores in comparison to ol’ Piggy.

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  50. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Red is quite correct…..it is crony capitalism and the Government has no business being involved….its a private sector matter for the market.

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  51. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    arise Sir Lockwood!

    I think everyone can agree on that one. He was clearly IMHO the best speaker New Zealand has ever had, and has set the bar extremely high for his successors.

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  52. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    “When Muldoon became PM in ’75, Norman was 8 years old.”

    Muldoon did a lot in that one year he was PM.. oh wait.

    Who cares what Muldoon did? According to DPF, the 8 year old Norman was spreading Marxism throughout Australia. He must have been one clever kid.

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  53. ross69 (3,637 comments) says:

    Norman however made his attack pointedly and blatantly at and about Key

    I might take you more seriously if you give examples. Merely comparing Key to Muldoon apparently is not a personal attack.

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  54. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    queenstfarmer (425) Says:
    June 5th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    … (not some opposition-aligned blogs) …

    ————————–

    Really? You tube is some opposition aligned blog? WOW, the opposition has got very powerful all of a sudden! :-)

    When they (those not in government) do it is ‘nasty’, when National do it, it is fair criticism. What a joke! They are all doing it, all as bad as each other, and one only has to watch the way Key performs in the house to see a very ‘nasty’ side of him (one that is not unique to him, but to give him the halo you’re trying to, is rather pathetic)

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  55. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    @ross69, you don’t have to be that clever to realise that by the time Muldoon lost the 1984 election, Norman was 17. However, it does seem he didn’t join the Socialist Workers Party until 1986.

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  56. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Judith is so deluded that she doesn’t even know what “the worm” is. You can pretend it’s what ever you want it to be but it doesn’t help your argument when everyone else knows exactly what it is already.

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  57. Matt (221 comments) says:

    OneTrack: Not saying I disagree with the sentiment… The Greens being anywhere near the pursestrings let alone in charge of them would be a disaster. It’s just the repetition that gets me. Are you saying you haven’t noticed?

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  58. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    labrator (1,345) Says:
    June 5th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
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    Of course I know what the ‘Worm’ is. It was the media tech device that was used to measure the audience response.

    Fact is, I didn’t put that on You tube, and the media at the time made something of it. Just like the media at this time is making something of what Norman said.

    The other two examples that I posted as well as the you tube clip demonstrate that this sort have thing has been done before, isn’t new and it won’t be the last time.

    The only people that are deluded here, are those that are acting like a bunch of pathetic school girls and feigning ‘insult’.

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  59. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    Muldoon had a rare political gift, and one that is pretty much extinct these days. He was, in my view, a son of a bitch, but I liked and respected him nonetheless. He was also in no way a political coward, and would happily stand up to members of the public giving him a hard time, whether he deserved it or not, and what’s more, he liked it. To top it all, he had a conscience and was willing to follow it in public and unapologetically. It’s hard not to feel some affection for such a character.

    And he had the best laugh of any politician, ever.

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  60. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    The only people that are deluded here, are those that are acting like a bunch of pathetic school girls and feigning ‘insult’.

    Can you quote one commenter here that has taken insult? I’ve only seen people commenting on the political idiocy. Maybe you could find it after you find the contemporary editorials about John Key calling Phil Goff a worm.

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  61. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    While other politicians campaigned in almost empty halls Rob Muldoon used to pack out all the halls, have them hanging from the rafters and crowds outside unable to get in, he got 6,000 on one occasion packed into a woolstore. His demonisation only started after his death and by the left wing media he despised. I met him once with a problem on behalf of others, he understood and re-acted immediately. He was a man and a leader for his times and in many ways had the same concern for the under-dog as John Key.

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  62. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    “Of course I know what the ‘Worm’ is”. Your earlier comments indicate something completely different.

    “So when John Key calls another MP a ‘worm’, that is being nice is it? “

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  63. doggone7 (487 comments) says:

    Russel Norman’s naivety sees him not understand that you don’t tease the teacher’s pet and you don’t kick the family dog.

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  64. kiwi in america (2,330 comments) says:

    ross69
    “I might take you more seriously if you give examples” – read the Press and Dom editorials and then John Armstrong at the Herald – they might give you a few hints. They saw Norman’s speech for what it was. Even reliably left leaning Tom Scott, a famous nemesis of Muldoon’s, saw the analogy as over the top. The post Greens conference reporting has mostly been about Norman’s nasty turn and the way the media were excluded from almost all sessions (as opposed to National who allowed media in almost all sessions) rather than policies …which were more spending promises (backed by as yet unnamed taxes) anyway.

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  65. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    Ha, had a look at the video posted by the People’s Front of Judith.
    The uploader titles the clip “John Key calls Phil Goff a worm”. In the opinion of the People’s Front of Judith this counts as evidence.
    In my opinion this shows the flaky character of the People’s Front of Judith. I suspect the youtube uploader was having a laugh, and not even seriously asserting that Key called Goff a worm.

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  66. queenstfarmer (696 comments) says:

    Judith, you are playing dumb – a little too convincingly.

    You haven’t been able to give ANY example of the media commenting on the ‘worm’ name-calling that you allege.

    The fact that you regard not accusing someone of something they didn’t do as giving them a “halo” simply confirms your partisan posturing.

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  67. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    Russell has got to get his audience right. No use trying to ‘run down’ JK by comparing him with Muldoon.

    For up to the minute reactions in a country pub somewhere.

    The guy in the black singlet to his mate. ‘See poncy Russell has been trying to run down old piggy.’

    His mate. ‘Silly bastard.’

    ‘Yeah.’

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  68. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    queenstfarmer (426) Says:
    June 5th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
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    Jeez, you call me dumb.

    The ‘worm’ example was simply to point out, as did the other two examples which you conveniently ignore, that PM’s being compared to Rob Muldoon was nothing new, and has in fact been going on for some decades.

    However, you have successfully managed to detract from that point, which was probably your intention – given that the examples prove that Norman has done nothing more than many others – including those opposing Helen Clark.

    Nice deflection – no doubt you have fooled the foolish! Your undying loyalty will no doubt be applauded. :-) Tick tock!

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  69. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Hi Judith,
    I had a look at the you tube video. It looks to me like Key was referring to the “Worm” as in the audience opinion measuring device also being present at the next debate, not to Phil Goff being a worm. I think its a pretty big stretch to accuse Key of that.
    Just sayin

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  70. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    To ask ‘why did he do it’ is to miss the point.

    This is the real Russel Norman.

    The mask slipped.

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  71. Slipster (14 comments) says:

    Today’s Greens clearly lack the courage. They should stop being shy and rename themselves something like the Eighth Komintern or the Fourth Reich. After all, with their movement rather strong in Germany and matching policies and ideology, that would be a perfect match.

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  72. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Haterz gonna hate…

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  73. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    You are right about that Black. The Greens really are a bunch of haters . Most socialists are.

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  74. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Know a lot of socialists A.O.R or are you just makin shit up ?

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  75. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Do you ever read what you write? QED

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  76. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    So that’s a No on the socialists and a Yes on the makin shit up…

    Btw…do you even understand what you read ? FCKTRD

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  77. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    Ha, by your own words.Thanks for proving me right. You just can’t help yourself . Hater.

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  78. RobbieR (1 comment) says:

    I’m a bit lost here. Perhap someone can give better understanding. Being old enough to remember the Muldoon era, and even met the man a couple of times, where is it that Norman was wrong in his critquing Key as being like Muldoon? I thought Norman was on the money.

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  79. Slipster (14 comments) says:

    RobbieR, roll back to the top and check the post by queenstfarmer (it’s post #9). It lists some similarities between Russel’s and Muldoon’s policies. Check them out and answer yourself – how many of them apply to JK? There is your answer.

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  80. OlderChas (19 comments) says:

    A little anecdote about Muldoon. He was visiting my (military) Mess in a semi-official capacity and wearing his RSA badge on his lapel. In those days renewal of your annual subscription was recognised by the issue of a clip-on “year” insignia. I noted that his was more than a year out of date – and was presumptuous enough to mention it. He looked at the badge with (I think) genuine surprise, looked me in the eye and said “Heh Heh – so it is sonny. But do you think anyone would be brave enough to try to throw ME out of an RSA?” Under that steely eye – I wilted!

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  81. Left Right and Centre (2,388 comments) says:

    Rob Muldoon died in 1992…. fell from power 1984…

    Editorial says Norman came here five years after Muldoon death… 23 years after he fell from power

    23 minus 5 = 18. But it was 5 years after his death and therefore 1997 minus 1984 = 13 years after Muldoon fell from power. Not 23.

    It’s a small error but still… makes you wonder….

    And he’s from Australia. And? Half the pricks filling up Auckland like a bad smell can’t speak two words of Anglo so compared to them an Aussie is a virtual Kiwi… fair dinkum.

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