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UglyTruth

the festering wingnuttery is always good for laughter.

Nothing wrong with laughter, Griff, but if you don’t have your facts straight it can come back to bite you.
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June 11, 2013 12:51pm
Weihana

UglyTruth (1,005) Says:
June 11th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Better luck next time eh

The fail is yours, Weihana. Gold has intrinsic value.

So does paper. But this is irrelevant to their use as a currency.
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June 11, 2013 12:54pm
James Stephenson

Have you ever tried eating gold?

No, but I’ve had that booze with the gold flakes in.

If the money supply is arbitrarily fixed (as it is with gold) then you will get deflation. This in turn is associated with recession and under-investment.

What banks need is not Gold: they need appropriate regulation to control the supply of money.

Money supply is not fixed with gold, the point is that there’s just a finite speed at which it can be increased. Whatever money you use, whether it’s gold, salt (as the Romans used) or Cigarettes (as used to be used in Prisons), it needs to have a certain set of properties: intrinsic value, easy to store, easy to divide, easy to asses its genuiness etc etc. Nobody in history legislated to make gold a currency, it just evolved as the best solution by a kind of Natural Selection.

Some smart people out there think they can come up with a better commodity base than gold, I’m inclined to believe that there was nothing broken with gold, it doesn’t need fixing or re-inventing.

Oh, and deflation isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Do yourself a favour and read Peter Schiff.
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June 11, 2013 12:56pm
TheContrarian

“Gold has intrinsic value.”

What intrinsic value does it have?
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June 11, 2013 1:11pm
UglyTruth

So does paper.

You mean plastic right? we don’t have paper currency here anymore.
Gold can stored, coined, used industrially, and re-used. Plastic currency ends up in the tip.

But this is irrelevant to their use as a currency.

No, the utility of currency is convenience and that the value of the token remains reasonably steady.
The intrinsic value of gold is a hedge against supply and demand forces.
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June 11, 2013 1:14pm
liarbors a joke

Interesting reading I must say…

http://1law4all.co.nz/2013/06/11/if-you-have-any-questions-about-tuhoe-go-and-read-your-history/
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June 11, 2013 1:18pm
TheContrarian

any object’s value is only assigned by the collective value put on something by its consumers.

“Gold can stored, coined, used industrially, and re-used.”

If that is the value standard you are assigning it then iron would make more sense as a currency as it has far more uses.
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June 11, 2013 1:18pm
Weihana

James Stephenson (1,510) Says:
June 11th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

Money supply is not fixed with gold, the point is that there’s just a finite speed at which it can be increased.
Whatever money you use, whether it’s gold, salt (as the Romans used) or Cigarettes (as used to be used in Prisons), it needs to have a certain set of properties: intrinsic value, easy to store, easy to divide, easy to asses its genuiness etc etc. Nobody in history legislated to make gold a currency, it just evolved as the best solution by a kind of Natural Selection.

I agree with the comparisons to cigarettes etc. This does not imply it is the best solution.

Some smart people out there think they can come up with a better commodity base than gold, I’m inclined to believe that there was nothing broken with gold, it doesn’t need fixing or re-inventing.

There is something wrong with gold. It cannot be adjusted when the demand for money changes. This is why the monetary supply contracted so heavily in the US during the great depression in order to maintain this standard with harmful consequences.

Oh, and deflation isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Do yourself a favour and read Peter Schiff.

I agree it isn’t necessarily a bad thing. How much is a pentium 2 chip and 8mb of RAM worth today? But in this case it is a bad thing. It can reduce the net worth of banks and borrowers, thereby reducing the flow of credit, and thus reducing real activity.
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June 11, 2013 1:25pm
James Stephenson

If that is the value standard you are assigning it then iron would make more sense as a currency as it has far more uses.

It’s one of the properties that a currency needs. Iron rusts, so fails the “storability” criteria, it is also available in far too great quantities, so its value as a medium of exchange is probably lower than its value as a material to make cars out of.

But in this case it is a bad thing. It can reduce the net worth of banks and borrowers, thereby reducing the flow of credit, and thus reducing real activity.

Meh. It increases the net worth of savers, and I don’t buy the argument that people put off spending because they think something will be even cheaper tomorrow (people still buy PC’s right?). Deflation is an illusory monster created by those that want to be able to steal from us via inflation.
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June 11, 2013 1:40pm
Weihana

James Stephenson (1,511) Says:
June 11th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

Meh. It increases the net worth of savers, and I don’t buy the argument that people put off spending because they think something will be even cheaper tomorrow (people still buy PC’s right?).

A top of the line PC today is better than a top of the line PC of yesterday and having it now is much better than having it tomorrow.

Deflation is an illusory monster created by those that want to be able to steal from us via inflation.

I disagree. It can be a real monster. Lower prices lead to lower production which leads to lower wages and demand which leads further to lower prices.
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June 11, 2013 1:53pm
Stuart

“It Is Rarely Appropriate for a Criminal Defendant to Slap His Lawyer on the Butt”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/10/chad_johnson_former_nfl_player_earns_jail_time_after_slapping_his_lawyer.html
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June 11, 2013 1:58pm
TheContrarian

“Iron rusts, so fails the “storability” criteria, it is also available in far too great quantities”

Quite right.
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June 11, 2013 1:58pm
James Stephenson

Lower prices lead to lower production which leads to lower wages and demand which leads further to lower prices.

Deflation means the value of a dollar is increasing. Why does it matter if wages fall in dollar terms if the value of that dollar is increasing and prices are falling?
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June 11, 2013 2:05pm
Manolo

Something for dime: 🙂
http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8672781/porn-star-filmed-revenge-shoot-at-former-school
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June 11, 2013 2:36pm
Weihana

James Stephenson (1,513) Says:
June 11th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

Deflation means the value of a dollar is increasing. Why does it matter if wages fall in dollar terms if the value of that dollar is increasing and prices are falling?

Go back to what you said:

“It increases the net worth of savers, and I don’t buy the argument that people put off spending…”

If you are saving what are you not doing?

If you reduce spending then others reduce selling and employment… which reduces demand which further reduces prices… and your spending… and their selling and employment…

I suppose it’s like the PC. Yes today’s top of the line PC will be much cheaper in a few years but I have to sacrifice the next few years to get there. Similarly I can save and then launch a business without borrowing but I sacrifice the time to do so, which sacrifices real activity in the interim.
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June 11, 2013 2:43pm
wreck1080

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8780873/Extravagance-during-bankruptcy-a-mistake

Former rich-listed property developer Jamie Peters admits his extravagance during his bankruptcy period has “aggravated” regulators, but he believes the $150,000 given to him by an associate was only just enough for him to survive.

Now, this shows the farce that is bankruptcy. Why on earth would an associate give him $150k (that is all that is declared at least)?

Is it possible that this is in fact a debt repayment as opposed to a gift and therefore should have been forfeited to his creditors? I wonder if this was investigated in more detail.
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June 11, 2013 3:25pm
Colville

Stuff has a piece on food in French schools. Dunno why I read it but…

First two comments laughed at the photo they had up..basically deep fried food and sauce… in 30 minutes those 2 comments have vanished and the photo has been changed!

History revisionists!
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June 11, 2013 3:32pm
thedavincimode

Colville

Makes a change from some white trash non-entity announcing that the new current is “the one”. In fact, if they changed to decent recipes and ditched absolutely everything else, they might make a go of their pay wall.
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June 11, 2013 3:41pm
iMP

OMGosh, what planet is Aaron Gilmore now on…?

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/rocket-gilmore-orbiting-strange-planet/
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June 11, 2013 5:01pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old Member called Gilmore
Growled like a bear with a head sore
Got pissed and threatened a waiter
Said John Key would sack him later
But it was he who left the floor for the door.
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June 11, 2013 6:15pm
liarbors a joke

Courtesy 1law4all…mindblowing

Did you know…
This list of Maori only privileges, which are fully or partly funded by you, the tax payer, provides some of the examples we have found to date. The list will be added to as we become aware of others.

Race based funding in 2011 alone cost $1.324 billion
Cash payments for “co-governance” nets iwi tens of millions annually
Whanau Ora is a new programme costing over $40 million a year
Nearly $600 million is spent every year promoting the Maori language
When the Maori Council takes on the Crown, you pay for both sides
When tribal elites negotiate with the Crown, you pay for both sides
Auckland’s “super city” legislation set up an unelected Maori Statutory Board with big, expensive ideas and undefined powers
Tribal elites now control over $37 billion assets, mostly thanks to overly generous treaty settlements, of which “their people” see little if anything
The New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000 has clauses giving Maori priority for health treatment
The Resource Management Act has clauses giving tribal elites veto power in building and development.
Maori only Schools
Maori only education scholarships
Maori only housing projects
Maori only prisoner programmes
Maori only positions in government agencies
Maori only consultation rights under the RMA
Maori only co-management of parks, rivers, lakes and coastline
Maori only seats on local councils
Maori only local government statutory boards
Maori only local government liaison committees
Maori only seats in parliament
Maori only welfare (Whanau Ora)
Maori only health prioritisation and initiatives

Race Based Funding

Maori Affairs Vote (allocation)

The Minister of Maori Affairs is responsible for appropriations in the Vote for the 2012/2013 financial year, covering the following:

a total of over $23 million for provision of advice, including second opinion advice and contributions to policy advice led by other agencies, to support decision-making by Ministers on government policy matters; and provision of other services to Ministers to enable them to discharge their portfolio.
a total of nearly $14 million for the design, delivery and management of community investment programmes, the Maori Business Facilitation Service, and administration costs of the Land Management Unit.
a total of nearly $7 million for an integrated programme of community level social assistance to Maori whanau through the provision of services by Whanau Advocates (Kaitoko Whanau and Oranga Whanau); Maori Wardens and related entities.
a total of nearly $8 million for strengthening relationships with Maori with emphasis on facilitation, brokerage, provision of local level information and co-ordination.
a total of nearly $75 million for the promotion of Maori language and culture through direct funding of broadcasting entities (Te Mangai Paho, Maori Television Services and Te Putahi Paoho) and Te Taura Whiri I Te Reo (Maori Language Commission).
a total of just over $10 million to purchase the services of the Maori Trustee.
a total of nearly $3 million to progress Maori economic development initiatives across tourism and productive sectors.
a total of just over $14 million for funding Maori Potential through community investment programmes and the Rangatiratanga grants.
a total of over $4 million for specific Maori Potential programmes including; Iwi Housing Support, Maori Registration Service, Maori Wardens, NZ Maori Council and Maori Women’s Development Fund
a total of $500,000 for addressing Treaty and contemporary claims related matters.
a total of $43,000 for various legislative payments administered by Te Puni Kokiri, and
a total of over $2 million for departmental expenditure.
The Minister for Whanao Ora is responsible for the following appropriations:

a total of nearly $49 million for activites associated with implementing, developing and evaluating whanau ora service delivery ($9 million) and the purchase of the whanau ora service delivery capability and whanau support ($40 million).
That adds up to an annual taxpayer provided budget of over $2 Billion !
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June 11, 2013 6:22pm
Griff

You can add half the justice and socalwelfare costs to your list
as maori take up around half of both socal services.
Multi billions of costs to support stonageism.
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June 11, 2013 6:32pm
liarbors a joke

What do we do about it then..
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June 11, 2013 6:37pm
Redbaiter

“What do we do about it then..”

Stop voting for Labour and their socialist/ racist partner National.

They are the politicians who have foisted this separatism upon NZ.
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June 11, 2013 6:44pm
mikenmild

The 1lick4all crowd forgot to complain about the Maori All Blacks.
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June 11, 2013 6:49pm
liarbors a joke

showing your fuckwittery again milkmike..shouldnt you be in bed?
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June 11, 2013 6:53pm
Redbaiter

I think Milky Nasska and TDVM are all in bed together.
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June 11, 2013 6:55pm
mikenmild

Stop it Reddy, you’ll make me go weak at the knees.
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June 11, 2013 6:58pm
Redbaiter

Milky as weak as your knees might be, Kevin still loves to have his head between them. When he can jostle Nasska out of the way that is.
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June 11, 2013 7:00pm
Griff

I Will vote for a halt to racism.
If another few thousand do it Will effect the policy of the government.
Democracy is not racist one man one equal vote.
The constertuanal review seems to have died under the weight of maori involved.
It still worry me that the expectations based on the work done by the maori panel Will fester for decades.
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June 11, 2013 7:02pm
mikenmild

Even if Nasska, DVM and I were in a loving relationship, how would it affect Reddy? Apart from dying of jealousy of course.
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June 11, 2013 7:05pm
Redbaiter

Grief, you’ve got to vote for the Watermelons because they are the only party fucked in the head enough to give the myth of man made climate change the same credence that you do.
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June 11, 2013 7:07pm
Redbaiter

“Even if Nasska, DVM and I were in a loving relationship, how would it affect Reddy?”

Down votes.
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June 11, 2013 7:08pm
nasska

Well that’s simple to sort out Reddy…..just add three “up votes” to compensate….

….& a few extra for the trouble we’ve put you to. 🙂
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June 11, 2013 7:12pm
Griff

I would rather eat myself than vote green
most of them have no clue about economics or climate change.
Bunch of bone wearing idiots who would give the country to moari.
National backs ets I don’t.
The distance from our trading partners means our economy is uncompetitive now if we lead the change away from carbon it will cripple our terms pf trade.
We should follow closely not lead on agw.
So no griff does not vote green
he used to vote act
except he can not stand banks and hates conservatives.
socal liberal economic right like most sane people.
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June 11, 2013 7:29pm
mikenmild

Labour voter then Griff?
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June 11, 2013 7:30pm
Griff

Has reddy noticed that us progressives seldom give ticks?
😆
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June 11, 2013 7:33pm
Redbaiter

“So no griff does not vote green”

Grief is a liar. He lies about man made climate change.

He lies about Redbaiter upvoting himself.

He lies constantly without conscience or shame.

Why would he not lie about who he votes for?
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June 11, 2013 7:44pm
Griff

Meh
dpf knows who votes and when.
I don’t lie reddy
don’t need to
all i give is the consensus scientific opinion.
Wingnut blogs are not my source for AGW information unlike most on here.
Ffs WUWT has been posting the collapse pf AGW theory for years .
still has to publish any valid proof of conspiracy by scientists.
Skeptical sience has published many papers WUWT 0 😆
Wonder why ?
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June 11, 2013 7:58pm
big bruv

“He lies about Redbaiter upvoting himself.”

“Megalomania is a psychopathological disorder characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence, “Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs”
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June 11, 2013 8:03pm
nasska

Definition of love at first sight:

A girl just walked past you who was so pretty that you forgot to look at her tits.
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June 11, 2013 8:03pm
Johnboy

No sign of Mara tonight? 🙂
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June 11, 2013 8:25pm
Johnboy

“Definition of love at first sight”:

Johnboy bought best looking ewe in show without checking her teeth! 🙂
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June 11, 2013 8:28pm
Colville

Reddy upvotes himself (I mean why the fu*k would you bother?) and he is the only one to use strange made up names for other commenters. Odd. Almost Liarbore voterish behaiviour. Is he a plant? and those things ignore the fact that 98% of his rants are not rooted in reality.

Sheesh Reddy…if you wanna love your self a bottle of lube and change hands at 99. Go for it.

Just dont give us a commentary!
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June 11, 2013 8:35pm
nasska

Lambing at the end of next month JB…..or “grooming” as some of you know it. 🙂
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June 11, 2013 8:36pm
Colville

Johnboy…I thought no teeth and a flat top head was perfect? 🙂
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June 11, 2013 8:38pm
Johnboy

Haven’t you been reading Michael Douglas’s story Colville? 🙂
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June 11, 2013 8:44pm
Griff

Calf suck for the cow heads.
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June 11, 2013 8:56pm
Redbaiter

“I don’t lie reddy”

You lie all of the time.

You lie about man made global warming and you lie about Redbaiter upvoting himself and using other nicks.

There has never been any proof of any of these allegations, yet you repeat them as if they are undeniable fact.

When you know there is no proof and they are mere assertions with the latter two being particularly baseless.

This makes you not only a liar but also a coward.

Nothing that comes as a surprise of course, but no harm in having it confirmed.
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June 11, 2013 9:02pm
Redbaiter

Hey Jerkoffboy, the sheep jokes are so lame.
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June 11, 2013 9:03pm
mikenmild

Nearly cocoa time for Reddy, I think. Probably just time for a couple more invective-filled rants before Mum sends him off to bed.
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June 11, 2013 9:04pm
thedavincimode

Speaking of Michael Douglas, why am I reminded of the movie “Falling Down” in which we saw the progressive (oops!) emotional and psychological disintegration of the main character?

In the movie, it ended with the death of the main character. In real life, this type of mental failure is more likely to result in the committal of the individual concerned as a consequence of numerous incidences of masturbation in a public place.

Be warned. Stay away from the parks in Tauranga.
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June 11, 2013 9:10pm
nasska

The pensioner flats on Devonport Rd must be a “no go” area too Davinci. 🙂
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June 11, 2013 9:12pm
Johnboy

The river flats at my place are safe other than during tupping.
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June 11, 2013 9:14pm
Johnboy

Still no Mara?

Hope she’s OK! 🙂
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June 11, 2013 9:15pm
thedavincimode

I’m not that familiar with Tauranga nasska. Nor am I familiar with the wharf at the Mount where one of our fellow correspondents no doubt plies his trade.
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June 11, 2013 9:16pm
Johnboy

Jeeze Leonardo. You’re not trying to tell us the beautiful Mara is a ship girl surely?
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June 11, 2013 9:18pm
mikenmild

Still with the Mara = Redbaiter? Any more evidence?
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June 11, 2013 9:19pm
nasska

Being sent to school dressed in his big sister’s hand-me-downs during the formative period of his life was a bitter blow to young Reddy’s psyche Davinci.

I guess seeing out his declining years on the game was inevitable. 🙂
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June 11, 2013 9:20pm
Redbaiter

Davaselinemode-

So now, not happy to lie about who I am, or where I live, or using sock puppers, or upvoting myself, you actually stoop to making false allegations of public sexual offending.

What a disgusting cowardly cretin and no wonder this blog has gone down hill. Goes to show what you can get away with if you’re a Nat party suckhole doesn’t it gayboy?
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June 11, 2013 9:23pm
mikenmild

The Reddy doth protest too much, methinks…
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June 11, 2013 9:26pm
Griff

Red seems just a little unfocused today
do you think we should contact a mental health crisis team?
Being caught wanking ticks in public seems to have upset him.
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June 11, 2013 9:26pm
nasska

Poor Reddy!

Go & have a sook……email the headmaster. 🙂
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June 11, 2013 9:31pm
Johnboy

Just a gut feeling Milkey….Like Winnie and Dunnie! 🙂

Read for yourself:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mara&defid=6257720
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June 11, 2013 9:32pm
thedavincimode

Russell

Who did you think I was referring to?
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June 11, 2013 9:44pm
thedavincimode

nasska

I guess he’s just spent too much time in the $10 a blow job booth at the CCCP fund raisers.
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June 11, 2013 9:47pm
Redbaiter

“The Reddy doth protest too much, methinks…”

Hah hah.

Not really.

I know the true meaning of this chain of lies.

It means that Davaselinemode and his cronies are unable to defeat me in argument or logic, so the only avenue left open to them is to try and discredit me with a smear campaign.

It is a gutless cowardly action of course, but it also shows how desperate they are, and helps prove my theory that one person commenting in a persistent and logical manner on various blogs can have an effect on country wide political outcomes.

In fact that is the very reason that Kevin comments here. He sees all his good work in clouding the issues and shaping opinion to favour JK and National being torn to shreds and it drives him crazy.

He sees my upvotes and he can’t, in his isolated little gayboy Wellington beltway urban liberal world cope with the fact that his view is not the universally accepted truth, so he lies and smears and conducts his Alinksky style campaign to try and discredit me. And all the time he just digs himself into a deeper hole.

Fancy a Senior National Party adviser stooping to that sort of behaviour.

It is as I have always said, the amoral progressive rot in the National Party goes right to the core.
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June 11, 2013 9:49pm
thedavincimode

are unable to defeat me in argument or logic

Scene CCXXVIII

Enter General Custard, stage left.
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June 11, 2013 9:52pm
Pauleastbay

Come in Exile

Red needs to be defeated by fact, knowledge and truth not a smear campaign. All words that he is a complete stranger to.

Those nasty men wouldn’t get away with those cowardly smears in Singapore would they Red?
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June 11, 2013 9:53pm
nasska

Quick….. to the escape pod. I think Reddy’s finally tipped himself over the edge! 🙂
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June 11, 2013 9:54pm
thedavincimode

I imagine that General Custard is lamenting the fact that this high-powered debate isn’t taking place over at the bad parking blog where he could register mega up votes for the cause.
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June 11, 2013 9:58pm
Griff

Rofl
he’s slipping into paranoid delusion.
Reddy the battle you fight was done and dusted when the original redbaiter died discredited and disowned sixty odd years ago.
Ffs you called griff a coward
griff thinks for himself and is often the only one supportingn AGW on kb
that’s not the action of either a coward or a sycophant.
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June 11, 2013 10:03pm
Johnboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63ghuHTCX4
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June 11, 2013 10:06pm
Redbaiter

“that’s not the action of either a coward”

A coward is somebody who knowingly participates in a smear campaign based on lies and false allegations.

Further proof you are a coward Griff is the fact that you would make such allegations without any basis at all and it does not worry you one iota.

No one with any self respect or honour would stoop to such things, yet here on KB we have a collection of progressives who identify themselves by their collective lack of morality who gladly and shamelessly will lie through their teeth if they think there is an advantage in it.

That’s what makes you a coward Grief, and its what makes your buddies cowards as well.

Shame really.

I’ve had some serious disagreements on KB in the past, but never have they sunk to this level.

As I said, it is desperation by losers who are feeling the heat.
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June 11, 2013 10:11pm
thedavincimode

Johnboy

You big paluka. That quite brought a tear to me eye. I was so over-whelmed I went back and gave Russell a tick for his 9:49pm. Looks like his internet connection is down and he couldn’t do it himself.
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June 11, 2013 10:12pm
Redbaiter

Paula, I am already more than aware that you do not have the intelligence to understand the argument on Singapore. No need to continue to supply proof
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June 11, 2013 10:13pm
thedavincimode

I’ve had some serious disagreements on KB in the past, but never have they sunk to this level.

Rose-tinted glasses now on special at the Mount Maunganui wharf convenience store (hours 10:00pm to 6:00am).
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June 11, 2013 10:14pm
nasska

He’s back online Davinci….there’s another up vote! 🙂
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June 11, 2013 10:17pm
thedavincimode

I am already more than aware that you do not have the intelligence to understand the argument on Singapore.

The would-be champ raises his head from the canvass without realising that the crowd left days ago while he was still unconscious.
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June 11, 2013 10:19pm
Pauleastbay

Red

You still think you didn’t get owned by Exile on Singapore ?. he dealt to you that soundly I was almost feeling embarassed for you at the end.

..and helps prove my theory that one person commenting in a persistent and logical manner on various blogs can have an effect on country wide political outcomes.

You are insane no doubt about it and although that can be a joyous thing for some your massive delusional state really concerns me. You might start acting out against the commie smear patrol thats marching up and down outside your house.
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June 11, 2013 10:22pm
thedavincimode

The balloon’s gone up nasska. He’s sent the SOS out and kowtow has come good. Saves me the trouble.
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June 11, 2013 10:22pm
Johnboy

I’ve never considered Cockatoos as partners till that lovely song though I have heard the joke about the old bloke and the punk with the Mohican! 🙂
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June 11, 2013 10:24pm
nasska

The Godwhacks will be burning the midnight oil Davinci.

Night all….it’s been fun. 🙂
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June 11, 2013 10:30pm
thedavincimode

Johnboy

I know that was you on his 10:13pm. Ya big softy 🙂

Just proves that we’re all family here!
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June 11, 2013 10:30pm
thedavincimode

Goodnight nasska. Try not to think about the fact that while you sleep, down on the wharves at the Mount someone will be staring into the sky and dreaming about you.
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June 11, 2013 10:33pm
Redbaiter

What the fuck is wrong with your head Jerkoffboy that you post such a nice song here???

It just make pearls before swine seem such an inadequate expression.
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June 11, 2013 10:34pm
Johnboy

I think I’ve fallen in love with Mara Red and I’m losing the plot cause she’s not here tonight.
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June 11, 2013 10:40pm
Manolo

Nanny-state and its proponents never rest:
Safekids director Ann Weaver said requiring children to wear a helmet would reduce the risk of serious head injuries.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8783974/Push-to-make-scooter-helmets-compulsory
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June 12, 2013 6:42am
Andronicus

There once was a man they called Farrar,
Whose wit was as sharp as an arrar,
He’d write in his blog,
And the left he would flog,
Though sometimes he was pushing a barrar
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June 12, 2013 8:43pm
Andronicus

Then there was a creep called Redbaiter,
And, boy, was he a hater,
Obscene and abusive,
And always intrusive,
But he’ll get his sooner or later
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