Norman goes nasty

June 1st, 2013 at 2:10 pm by David Farrar

Andrea Vance at Stuff writes:

And he launched an astonishing personal attack on Prime Minister , who he says is “divisive and corrosive” and “irritated if we are not all grateful for him generously agreeing to be PM.”

He added: “So next time you see John Key smiling, remember he’s not smiling because he likes you, he’s smiling because he’s giving favours to his mates while undermining your democracy.”

And Isaac Davidson at NZ Herald writes:

Green Party co-leader has made a rare personal attack on Prime Minister John Key, comparing him to former Prime Minister Robert Muldoon

You could say a lot about the policies put forward by Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald, but you know that they never would have carried out the sort of personal smear attack Russel Norman is now doing with the Greens.

Once upon a time the Greens boasted that they didn’t do personal attacks. I presume they’ll never make that claim again.

I can only presume it is desperation as Russell sees his long awaited dreams of being a Minister slip away.

His speech resembles one of the more angry rants you often read at The Standard. That is because it was probably written by one of the authors at The Standard.

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104 Responses to “Norman goes nasty”

  1. Fisiani (980 comments) says:

    The Greens have never been in Government. They have never had a Minister. They have had less success than the Maori Party, the ACT Party and United Future. They have has as much power as Brendan Horan.
    They are desperate. Truly desperate. They were formed in 1990 and have been powerless for 23 years. They will try any tactic to try to win in 2014. They believe that they can deceive enough people to vote for fuzzy environmental reasons and be unaware of their plans to put the NZ economy in reverse.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,161 comments) says:

    Norman needs to ask Trevor Mallard and Mike Williams how personal attacks on John Key win votes…

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  3. Henry64 (81 comments) says:

    Obviously feeling the pressure, plus there are the articles in today’s Horrid attacking Whaleoil and others, a concerted/combined left-wing attempt to undo the damage of recent polling results.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10887752

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10887749

    The comments at ‘The Press’ link to the same stuff article are illuminating:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8745796/Greens-accuse-Govt-of-crony-capitalism

    The article that really should put a shiver down the spine of everyone is this one:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10887745

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  4. nostrils (53 comments) says:

    When Robert Muldoon was in power, Russel (give me back my flag!) was still shitting yellow!

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  5. dime (9,607 comments) says:

    Bahahahaha ha what a loser

    Has any journalist ever done a piece on just whose jk mates are? We keep hearing it from the left but I’d like to see names and faces please.

    Or am I one of jks mates? Rich and employing people. How evil.

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  6. Pete George (23,167 comments) says:

    Once were tree huggers – respected sincere envirionmentalists.

    Now you’d be forgiven for thinking that Trevor Mallard was giving Clint lessons, and that Eddie and James Henderson were PR partners.

    The Standard has gone semi Green – lprent has promised he will vote Green next year, and half the authors are programmed by him. The Daily Blog is becoming bombastic Green.

    About all that’s left for Labour are the tumbleweeds blowing coldly down Red Alert.

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  7. somewhatthoughtful (455 comments) says:

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  8. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Most of the comments in the Press on his speech are supportive of Norman.

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  9. Ryan Sproull (7,056 comments) says:

    Is John Key going to be okay? Is someone staying by his side to offer him support?

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  10. All_on_Red (1,466 comments) says:

    Norman’s singing to the choir- which says a lot about the mind set of the choir. Lefties all over the world are just plain nasty and vicious. Just look at how many “liberals” aka Democrats in the US are very happy about the IRS targeting and harassing conservative owned businesses and lobby groups. They actually want them to do more.

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  11. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    As I’ve always said He is is a nasty little Aussie Ginga man who was a failure in politics over there and came to spread his poison here.

    Adopted by the traitorous greenies he has found his true place in the world. :)

    ps: His funny little beady eyes are still far too close together for my liking. :)

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  12. RF (1,324 comments) says:

    Panic stations.. Wussel is scared that the Green Party will not be in any future Govt and is striving for publicity by attacking JK.

    Pathetic little worm.

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  13. tom1980 (35 comments) says:

    No experience in the real world, no knowledge of history or economics, never been a productive member of society. Not even a New Zealander. And yet he thinks he can attack a genuine New Zealander who has pulled himself up by his bootstraps and been successful in the real world? Sorry Wussel, another big fail.

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  14. Nookin (3,157 comments) says:

    “… Or is it only dirty politics when you’re on the receiving end?”

    Perhaps you could give us examples of John Key engaging in personality politics?

    This was all to be expected. Norman paid lip service to any semblance of ethics at the time of the last election when he condoned vandalism. He has made it clear this week that he wants to be Minister of Finance and his churlish response to Shearer’s comments bring back memories of the “give me back my flag” tantrum.

    I wonder how he can pretend to be anything other than divisive or corrosive when he leads a party which actively supports the right to strike for social, economic and political agendas regardless of whether they have any implications for employment. No doubt he would have been out there trying to promulgate strike action to force the government to change it policy on asset sales had such a law being in force. He must hate employers, business and commerce. He seems intent on bringing the country to a standstill. I suppose there is no need to earn money if Norman has a printing press.

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  15. Colville (2,152 comments) says:

    No National Party hoarding will be safe from the gweeny vandals this time around.

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  16. MikeG (411 comments) says:

    So in a post about how personal attacks are not good, all we have in the comments section are personal attacks! Is anyone prepared to defend the accusations of crony capitalism and lack of democracy?

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  17. Ross12 (1,235 comments) says:

    As I said on the thread below Norman is following Gillard’s tactics. Come September we will how much the voting public took heed of those tactics in Australia ( yes, I know it is not the only issue for Gillard but the tactics of personal attacks have switched off the Auusie public). Norman wiil switch off voters here except for the die-hard Greens. I’d love to hear Jeanette Fitzimmon’s views on the speech –it is certainly the opposite to the way she and Rod Donald operated.

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  18. dime (9,607 comments) says:

    Mike – oh no, personal attacks on a blog! That’s the same as the leader of the opposition getting stuck in to the prime minister. Exactly the same.

    Please list explicit examples of crony capitalism and the lack of democracy for us to defend.

    If you’re talking about 08 when the greens helped to out law free speech then I can’t defend that.

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  19. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Only when we start getting real green folks repulsing the hi-jacking of our hallowed Aotearoa Ecozone by a fuckin Aussie commo bastard MikeG ! :)

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  20. Reid (16,071 comments) says:

    Wussel and the west of the lefties have become visibly increasingly emboldened in recent weeks as their smear campaign at Key which began several months ago has gathered pace (as they see it) until (as they see it) it has reached a crescendo of unstoppable freight-train-like momentum causing Wussel, the most advanced of the advanced thinkers, to launch this, the coup de grace, the final assault on the summit of the hated Key popularity mountain, which must be conquered, nay destroyed, if the lefties are to have any hope at all in 2014.

    Unfortunately for Wussel, he’s applied exactly the same standards of analysis he applies to every single political issue he ever thinks about, which is, he’s mistaken his own wishful thinking as to what he’d like the issue to be, for what the issue really truly actually is, and he’s conflated the two and become all confused. As have all the other “advanced thinkers” on the lefty side.

    For their “crescendo” has in fact been comprised merely of almost every single political journalist, almost every single political scientist, assorted school children and the lefties themselves, but no actual members of the public who do any voting. That’s the thing Wussel and his advanced thinking has omitted to factor in.

    Oh dear.

    He probably needs a really good political strategist to avoid this sort of thing in future. Can I suggest to Wussel who I’m sure will read this, that he looks up a guy called Simon who lives in Hawkes Bay? Apparently he’s very good and I hear he may be very available quite soon.

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  21. MikeG (411 comments) says:

    Dime – I don’t think that you really need me to list examples, but for starters:
    1. Canterbury for a lack of democracy
    2. Crony capitalism – Sky City, Warner Bros

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  22. dime (9,607 comments) says:

    Can’t say I give a rats ass about Canterbury :) someone else can address that.

    I think you’re mistaking common sense for crony capitalism. The left fucked with the hobot, we were going to lose it. I know, you’re going to say that we weren’t going to lose it blah blah blah it’s been done to death.

    Crony capitalism would be more like the greens giving special subsidies to their mates to create highly inefficient green jobs.

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  23. Henry64 (81 comments) says:

    MikeG

    The so-called crony capitalism – job creation, working with business. That’s where jobs come from, from businesses who decide to invest money to expand, buy more plant and/or hire more people. More people in employment is good for the economy as a whole, and it’ll increase the government’s tax take, meaning that there’s more to spend on the services that they’ve been elected to provide.

    What about the recent food in schools programme? Is that ‘crony capitalism’ in your eyes?? Or, is it a sensible choice for the government to partner with business, utilising their existing supply chains and infrastructure to get food into lower decile schools for those kids that are hungry?

    This government is making choices to advance economic growth, working with business and that is good for all.

    There are plenty of governments of other countries doing deals to encourage business to invest and boost in the local economy, so hardly gross corruption. If money was actually changing hands, then that would be corruption.

    The facts don’t back up Norman’s rhetoric. Low interest rates, low inflation, unemployment down, steady economic growth and some confidence for business to invest in new plant and additional employees. The main bugbear is the housing bubble in Auckland and Christchurch, but what goes up must come down. Not really a good time to buy. I’d rent and save more towards a deposit until the bubble bursts.

    Plus a recent TV3 poll that showed that 55% trust a Key/English combo on the economy over a Shearer/Norman combo at 37% tends to support the idea that the wacky Greens are not wanted anywhere near the Treasury benches by the majority of NZers.

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  24. niggly (812 comments) says:

    Wussel Norman, the new nasty version of Helen Clark!

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  25. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    More evidence of who the true “fundamentalist moralists” in society really are.

    Once upon a time Norman would have sought stake burning for that godamn witch!!

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  26. Henry64 (81 comments) says:

    Mike G – both examples you quote resulted or will result in jobs for NZers. As for Canterbury, ECan is functioning fine without elected officials for now thanks.

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  27. Inky_the_Red (743 comments) says:

    The Green compare the current National PM to a former National PM and that is considered nasty?

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  28. Nookin (3,157 comments) says:

    MikeG

    Who are Key’s cronies? Is it your position that as soon as Key does something you don’t like, the other parties become cronies?

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  29. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Even I have to admit he is better lookin than Helen niggly! :)

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  30. alloytoo (457 comments) says:

    @ MikeG

    1. Why are the taxpayers required to bail out those budgers who couldn’t be bothered to get their own insurance.

    2. And how many opposition bludgers scored WRC tickets from Skycity or Hobbit premiere invites from Peter J…..

    Seems to me Wussel’s never done a good deal, wouldn’t know a good deal if it bit him on the arse, and is insanely jealous that JK has the nous and connections to do these deals.

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  31. radvad (689 comments) says:

    Did anyone else notice the simmering anger in Norman when he was interviewed about the pre budget announcement that the books would be in surplus possibly next year. He had the shits because he knew that alone would win it for National next year. Also he was quite gleeful when MRP shares dropped below $2.50.
    You only have to scratch Norman skin deep and you find a nasty shallow little man.

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  32. MikeG (411 comments) says:

    So the ends justify the means! That’s not a great way to build a good community.

    Why not support the railway engineers in Dunedin? – that would have provided jobs for NZers.

    Henry – aren’t we often told on the blog that the Govt doesn’t create jobs. Are you wanting the free market to provide everything? The food in schools program hasn’t required a law change like the examples I mentioned.

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  33. All_on_Red (1,466 comments) says:

    There is no such thing as “Crony Capitalism”. If its cronyism its not capitalism.

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  34. Pete George (23,167 comments) says:

    Norman also goes lying.

    In a Green Party conference speech today Russel Norman makes a highly questionable claim.

    Stopping free speech at sea
    Of course, as far as the environment is concerned, it doesn’t end there.

    John Key has now banned protest at sea.

    To ensure nothing stands in the way of the oil profits of other big foreign multinationals, the Government has passed new laws under urgency to ensure those who stand up to defend our oceans and beaches from a devastating oil spill will go to jail or face a heavy fine.

    He did this after Steven Joyce met with Shell Oil and Shell complained about protesters.

    Overnight, National took away our constitutional right to freedom of speech.

    As far as I know this is blatantly false.

    Protest is still allowed at sea, but the law was changed to enforce keeping a safe distance from vessels carrying out their lawful business.

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  35. Colville (2,152 comments) says:

    Whanau Ora is crony capitalisim!

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  36. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Brown cronies are good trendy cronies currently Colville! :)

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  37. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    “ps: His funny little beady eyes are still far too close together for my liking. :)”

    ps: ps: I forgot to mention his squeaky little woman’s voice when I penned the above! :)

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  38. Keeping Stock (10,161 comments) says:

    Spot the difference between the 2008 version of Russel Norman and the 2013 edition

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/spot-difference.html

    Pardon me Russel, but your hypocrisy is showing…

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  39. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Nasty little scumbag. Hope he has no deposits/shares in those Aussie Banks! :)

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  40. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    “…Protest is still allowed at sea, but the law was changed to enforce keeping a safe distance from vessels carrying out their lawful business….”

    That’s true PG. And it’s also a matter of safety for both sides.

    The other thing is this:

    The Greens may have forms of protesting, marching, sailing ect but they still can only be of one type : Legal and lawfull protesting.

    The police have the job of controlling protesters and do a very good job considering that lots of laws are broken by protesters when protesting. The police are very tolerant in that area when handling ‘sit-ins or standiins’ and street marches. These are generally expected as ‘forms’ of protesting by the public. Legal, reasonable and effective forms.

    Yet the Greens have a very poor public image of illegal protesting, trespassing on private business land, sabotaging the operations of businesses from operating by climbing buildings ect, vandalism of scientific research products, and Russle Norman is on the public record for implying that these are by ‘the enviromental activist wing’. But to keep being effective they have to keep getting more outragous. The public don’t vote for the legalisation of unlawful protesting – nor do they like paying the cost to police it.

    And I believe that is also why these laws have come into place: the police HAVE to draw the line with the Greens – even just on the single matter of the police budget. Cheers Pete.

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  41. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    How is the pole dancing going Harriet old chap? :)

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  42. Elaycee (4,322 comments) says:

    Its hardly surprising that the once card carrying member of the Australian Socialist Workers Party has revealed his true colours.

    His lunatic policies have been totally debunked.
    The polls confirm the Gween / Red alliance is not attractive to the electorate at all.
    He has been becoming increasingly fractious in recent months… probably the result of his lack of traction in the polls.

    So now he has a crack at the most popular Prime Minister we have had for decades.

    Not a recommended tactic… hopefully it’ll all come back to bite him on the arse!

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  43. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    DPF, you are right; Rod Donald would never have stooped this low.
    Maybe Wussel aspires to become a ginga Winston?

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  44. Harriet (4,614 comments) says:

    Terrible. I pulled a ham string while upside down with legs spread wide, then fell.

    And burst a silicon bag in my left breast. :cool:

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  45. Tom Jackson (2,479 comments) says:

    Norman’s singing to the choir

    You meant “preaching to the choir”.

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  46. Tom Jackson (2,479 comments) says:

    Or am I one of jks mates? Rich and employing people. How evil.

    My guess is your line of business is literacy optional…

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  47. Nookin (3,157 comments) says:

    Norman’s comment that the government has “banned” protest at sea is dishonest. There is no other word for it. Here is the section. What the section stops is deliberate interference or damage. It also prescribes a “no go” zone of up to 500 m. The actual distance will depend on the circumstances of every individual case.

    If ever this section is considered in court, you can reasonably expect that the court will recognise the absolute right to protest but will observe that the right is subject to rights of, by way of example, Shell, to undertake lawful activities without damage or interference. This is the problem with the Greens. They do not recognise that anybody else has any rights if they are in any way inconsistent with what the Greens believe in. If the Greens cannot ban it legally, then they take the view that they can disrupt it regardless of the consequences and the financial costs.

    [101BInterfering with structure or operation in offshore area
    (1) A person commits an offence if the person intentionally engages in conduct that results in—
    (a)damage to, or interference with, any structure or ship that is in an offshore area and that is, or is to be, used in mining operations or for the processing, storing, preparing for transporting, or transporting of minerals; or
    (b)damage to, or interference with, any equipment on, or attached to, such a structure or ship; or
    (c)interference with any operations or activities being carried out, or any works being executed, on, by means of, or in connection with such a structure or ship.
    (2) A person commits an offence if—
    (a)the person is the master of a ship that, without reasonable excuse, enters a specified non-interference zone for a permitted prospecting, exploration, or mining activity; or
    (b)the person leaves a ship and, without reasonable excuse, enters a specified non-interference zone for a permitted prospecting, exploration, or mining activity.
    (3) In prosecuting an offence against subsection (2), it is not necessary for the prosecution to prove that the person intended to commit the offence.
    (4) A person who commits an offence against subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction,—
    (a)in the case of an individual, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding $50,000:
    (b)in the case of a body corporate, to a fine not exceeding $100,000.
    (5) A person who commits an offence against subsection (2) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000.
    (6) For the purposes of subsection (2), the chief executive may specify a non-interference zone by notice published in a fortnightly edition of the New Zealand Notices to Mariners (under Part 25 of the Maritime Rules).
    (7) A notice must specify—
    (a)the permitted prospecting, mining, or exploration activity to which the non-interference zone relates; and
    (b)the locality of the activity; and
    (c)the area of the non-interference zone to which the activity relates (which may be up to 500 metres from any point on the outer edge of the structure or ship to which the activity relates or, if there is any equipment attached to the structure or ship, 500 metres from any point on the outer edge of the equipment); and
    (d)the period (which may be up to 3 months) for which the notice has effect.
    (8) The chief executive, when determining the area of a non-interference zone for the purposes of a notice, must take into account the nature of the activity, including the size of any structure or ship to which the activity relates and any equipment attached to the structure or ship necessary for the carrying out of the activity.
    (9) No proceedings for an offence against this section may be brought in a New Zealand court in respect of a contravention of this section on board, or by a person leaving, a foreign ship without the consent of the Attorney-General.]

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  48. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    I take it then Elaycee that as a discerning fellow you too have noted he has a squeaky little voice and eyes that are far to close together.

    You too have probably assumed that his only natural home having been poo-hooed in OZ is the Greenie Party of Godzone/Aotearoa.

    The really amazing thing is that 10% of our populace are so fuckin dumb that they vote for a mob led by him?????

    I will listen to the talkback more to see if I can discern a recessive gene common to Greenie and Winnie supporters! :)

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  49. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    “And burst a silicon bag in my left breast. :cool:”

    Look on the bright side Harriet darling.

    If enough drained into your gob while you were inverted you should be able to comment nonstop for five years before your jaw seizes from lack of lubricant! :)

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  50. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    I’m trying to remember who this sort of thing reminds me of most? Surely the critic is not mirroring the behavior of criticized?

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  51. wally (63 comments) says:

    Johnboy (10,868) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    ps: ps: I forgot to mention his squeaky little woman’s voice when I penned the above!

    All lefties have that girly man voice. Just listen to red radio.

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  52. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Depends which end of the ax handle you are closest to Judith. :)

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  53. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Gareth also has a squeaky little voice now you have reminded me Wally. :)

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  54. Elaycee (4,322 comments) says:

    @Johnboy – Yup. To me the beady eyed one also needs to have a decent blow of his nose – something is stuck in there that makes his voice resemble the racket made by a cat when you attempt to use it as bagpipes. Not nice at all.

    It’s only marginally better that the baritone that boomed down on us for the nine long years of the socialist winter. 8O

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  55. davidp (3,551 comments) says:

    Labour election policy, 2008: Attack John Key personally. Result: Fail!

    Labour election policy, 2011: Attack John Key personally. Result: Fail!

    Green election policy, 2014: Attack John Key personally. Result: TBD.

    Russel Norman is like a third rate Trevor Mallard.

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  56. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Kevin Hague has a very deep and manly sort of voice of course! :)

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  57. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (383) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 3:41 pm
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    Of course there is crony capitalism. Whilst you are right is it cronyism, extending the concept by the addition of ‘capitalism’ is a perfect way to describe those who have obtained their wealth through government favours, as opposed for example, to those who made their wealth by utilising the opportunities provided by free markets.

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  58. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    davidp (2,751) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 5:05 pm
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    But that same tactic has worked so well for John Key, and best of all, it seems to be really annoying and worrying all the smurfs. ;-)

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  59. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    Johnboy (10,871) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 5:02 pm
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    You’re cute – why don’t you just call me Baa-baa-ra!

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  60. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    When crony wealth creation gets extended to boring, fatarse writers sitting alone in their cold attics I guess it will all be OK! :)

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  61. All_on_Red (1,466 comments) says:

    hmm, when favours are given which create financial gain that is pure cronyism. When the market is left unfettered to operate without interference or skewing of the playing field that is pure capitalism. In that context the expression crony capitalism is an oxymoron.
    But hey given common usage I can see why people conflate the two. Unfortunately cronyism is common just like pure capitalism is uncommon today. Regretfully. The fucking socialists are always meddling with the system to chip away and undermine free markets.
    But back on topic.
    Russell Norman is a fucking ****,
    Doo da doo da

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  62. Johnboy (15,415 comments) says:

    Lets get honest here folk.

    The scumbag lefties are just pissed that they don’t get shoulder tapped for the high paying jobs cause they never went to public schools.

    Once they take over and shoot the glitterati all will be put back on a level playing field.

    Lenin knew that! :)

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  63. projectman (206 comments) says:

    Norman goes nasty because he is being shown up as a hypocrite of the highest order.

    Now look at this comment from a report in the NZ Herald today:

    “Chapman Tripp solicitor Linda Clark wrote in a think-piece this week that if Labour formed a government with Greens next year, three Green MPs were likely to be part of the Cabinet.

    She said that Greens co-leader Russel Norman was likely to become Economic Development Minister…”

    Economic Development Minister? Give me a break. The Greens oppose everything to do with economic development (no, printing more money isn’t economic development).

    The Green’s stance is, in essence, one of economic sabotage (or perhaps economic treason is a better term).

    However, a significant proportion of the voting populace will continue, unquestioningly, to let themselves be led by the left-wing or anti-Government activism of the MSM, so who knows where it will go.

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  64. dime (9,607 comments) says:

    “My guess is your line of business is literacy optional…”

    bahaha oh no, i dont think girly man likes me. i think that sort of comment reveals how you think. no doubt one of those lefties who is just smarter than everyone else.. but cant seem to make money! jealous loser.

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  65. Shazzadude (516 comments) says:

    Hang on a second, THAT’s nasty, but devilbeast isn’t?

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  66. tvb (4,235 comments) says:

    They have started measuring the curtain before they have moved in. They will be competitive in 2014 but providing there are no major stuff ups and the economy shows steady improvement National should get back in.

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  67. Changeiscoming (154 comments) says:

    JK has never cared what the greens say before so I doubt it very much whether he gives a rip about them and what they say now.

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  68. duggledog (1,417 comments) says:

    John Key really needs to fuck him up.

    Come on National organise a snap debate and wipe the floor with him like he did to Goff in the Christchurch one. Do it old school with an impartial moderator, 1970s Frost / Norm Kirk / Marshall styles. TV1 would be up for it. He is basically goading you into a fight. Step up man! The electorate love a good scrap

    Russell Norman is the co-leader of a political party with a lot of support from fashionable young ning-nongs and column inches for miles and bugger all else. Never held any power, just a lot of white noise. Baboons barking on the hilltops.

    And the ‘Dr’ is for writing some bull shit about that loser Anderton who Hulun used to lead round on a bit of string.

    It just shows how little Norman knows about NZ that he compares Muldoon to Key. They are nothing like each other, and the world Key is operating in is completely different to 70s / 80s NZ

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  69. Judith (8,243 comments) says:

    Changeiscoming (31) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    ————————-

    Obviously that is not so. According to TV3 News, John Key had just contacted them to give a statement regarding what Russell Norman had said – doesn’t sound like someone that couldn’t care less, to me.

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  70. wat dabney (3,715 comments) says:

    “irritated if we are not all grateful for him generously agreeing to be PM”

    How dare an ordinary person come in and be PM over the claims of the self-appointed full-time crony political class?

    It must be most frustrating, Russel.

    Your squeaky tantrum is fully justified.

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  71. OneTrack (2,758 comments) says:

    “Norman’s comment that the government has “banned” protest at sea is dishonest.”

    No, lets be more direct and correct. He is lying.

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  72. OneTrack (2,758 comments) says:

    “According to TV3 News,…”

    Well that would convince me, NOT. TV3 News is just another name for the Green Party public relations department.

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  73. Pete George (23,167 comments) says:

    A curious Standard view:

    Excellent speech. I’ve never been that keen on Norman. He’s a bit too centrist for my liking. But good on him for calling National out for it’s anti-democratic, crony capitalist ways. Norman is my idea of a liberal – basically for individual rights and a fair go for all, not very radical left.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/a-fighting-liberal/#comment-642101

    I wonder if Karol means not very radical left in comparison to Metiria Turei. Or Martyn Bradbury. Or John Minto.

    And in a major nod to individual rights the Greens banned the use of any perfume at their conference.

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  74. OneTrack (2,758 comments) says:

    “How dare an ordinary person come in and be PM over the claims of the self-appointed full-time crony political class?”

    And Key hasn’t even got the basic requirement for being a politician – a political science degree. How dare he indeed.

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  75. Yoza (1,654 comments) says:

    “… irritated if we are not all grateful for him generously agreeing to be PM.”

    I do hope John is alright. That was ever so rude of that naughty Russel Norman to say nasty things about someone as important as John Key. What completely baffles me is why the opposition don’t spend more time expressing their heartfelt gratitude for Key’s benevolent administration of state power.

    What we need is a ‘weep for the creep’ campaign to kick in every time one of those dirty devil-worshiping communists in the left-opposition say howwid things about JK-Thin-Skin.

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  76. wf (391 comments) says:

    In the end, Russel won’t prevail, because he is an Aussie. It’s not the we don’t like Aussies, it’s just that we like our independence, and if we wanted an Aussie PM, it’d most likely be someone a bit like the one we’ve got now.

    We resisted their attempted takeover way back (when?) and I don’t think feelings have changed now.

    The greens must be getting SO frustrated. They keep trying to nail John Key, and all he does is acknowledge their concerns – it’s a free world after all – and it must be driving them mad.

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  77. wat dabney (3,715 comments) says:

    Key’s a bit like the UKIP’s Farage in this regard. The more the corrupt political class attacks him the more people like him.

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  78. WineOh (575 comments) says:

    Interesting the use of the word ‘corrosive’ … last reserved for Don Brash by Helen Clark. That had as much effect then as it does now. Brash got sunk by the underhand Brethren campaign, not by school yard name calling.

    In any case, virtually every international study has NZ in the top 10 of LEAST corrupt countries in the world, so the calls of Cronyism should be consigned to the slowly growing pile of turds that come out of the Greens corner. Ignore & move on, it only gets traction if we give it oxygen.

    If I were in the Greens camp, I would be looking at what got them the most positive movement in support, it wasn’t slagging off the PM and current government that despite national disaster and financial crisis appear to be steering the ship pretty well. They should stick to the positive messages around economy building and inclusiveness that appeals to people far more.

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  79. OneTrack (2,758 comments) says:

    “They should stick to the positive messages around economy building and inclusiveness that appeals to people far more”

    But they aren’t for economy building. Or inclusiveness.

    We have a fair idea of what they would shutdown out of hand. We also have a fair idea of what they would do to the corporate and small business sector – increased company taxes, increased ETS taxes, increased minimum wages and increased compliance costs across the board. Result -massive company closures and job losses.

    How will the Greens resolve this problem. Apparently some mythical thing called “Green Jobs”. What is a “green job”? A number of years after they first articulated the term, I have not seen one example of what a “green job” would look like. And our useless/biased media haven’t even asked the question either. Which all implies that there is no such thing and it is just another sop to the useful idiots. The only example of a green job that the Green Party seems to have is being a beneficiary. No wonder Russel Norman thinks money printing is a good idea – he has no other way of paying for those “jobs”.

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  80. adze (1,942 comments) says:

    Norman will always be the Minister for Flag Retrieval. No-one can take that away. :)

    Seriously though, it would be nice if the opposition actually attacked policies rather than John Key all the time. Key has clearly never been fazed by cheap opposition attacks, and why would he? They have always helped him in the polls, if anything.

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  81. doggone7 (746 comments) says:

    Justice Minister Judith Collins says that National would not be implementing any of the Electoral Commission’s recommendations on the Review of MMP. The Nats will simply ignore the Commission’s recommendations. There’s virtually no public response.

    Russel Norman makes a personnal verbal attack on John Key and there’s widespread apoplexy. Would Muldoon have acted as John Key has in dealing with the Electoral Commission’s recommendations? Yes? In that context is it fair to compare them? Yes.

    Did the vast majority of National party members think that Muldoon was near to a God and loved the way he acted? Yes. So why the upset when their present leader is being compared to him?

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  82. Chuck Bird (4,738 comments) says:

    Where is the frog to stick up for Norman?

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  83. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    I would have thought the greens would love a PM like Muldoon. He was the most socialist PM we ever had and the architect of the most planned economy this side of the Iron Curtain, which nearly broke us.

    I don’t know how Norman gets away with it. He would have been no more than 14 when Muldoon was last Prime Minister, and he was living in Australia at the time, given he did not move to NZ until 1997.

    I put out a challenge to any journalist to ask Norman in what way is John Key, an avid free market progressive pragmatist who has just conducted a share float of state assets, and a policy of having private companies feed our children,was like Muldoon, a controlling interventionist who gave us Think Big to build up state assets, Wage and price freezes, devalualtion by Decree and Carless days. Come to think of it, if any politician wants to take us back to the days of Muldoon, it’s bloody Russell!

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  84. UpandComer (517 comments) says:

    What is corrosive is that the Greens want to destroy the economy out of principal, because they have an anti growth paradigm.

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  85. UpandComer (517 comments) says:

    That’s the other thing, what John is going is actually good business, that’s why the Chinese respect John and would laugh their heads off at Russell Norman.

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  86. Paul Marsden (989 comments) says:

    Russel Normans utterings have become so bizarre of late, I seriously wonder about his state of mind

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  87. Pete George (23,167 comments) says:

    I think a major problem with Norman is he has been swotting hard on economic issues but he’s got no practical experience or knowledge. That shows in how he talks about it, he has learnt some things in isolation but doesn’t know how everything interrelates.

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  88. skyblue (203 comments) says:

    Where are the solutions to making NZ a better place Russ? You have not got any. The fact that all he could do was attack JK confirms this. Global warming hoax is unravelling, tax take is up etc. Our economy is in quite a sweet spot and only going to get better. Remember Russ did say we have too many cows in NZ (something about their farting). This has, excuse the pun been a real cash cow for NZ during the GFC era and helped keep NZ aflot.
    This good news is really getting to Green fuckwits. Also, NZD now under 0.80 vs USD without printing. Makes Russ and his BERL mate Banana look like complete idiots.

    I think the luck of the Greens under the Tasmanian Twat is turning fast and the pressure is showing. I reckon more than his hair will be turning red as the blood pressure increases.

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  89. Andrew McMillan (49 comments) says:

    Green Party values #6 (of 13): Engage respectfully, without personal attacks

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  90. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    David Farrar seems to think that Rob Muldoon was a great PM. No surprises there. Didn’t the same Mr Farrar attack Helen Clark for her increasingly dictatorial behavior? Hypocrisy much?

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  91. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Ross69, when DPF writes regarding Normans comparison to Muldoon “You could say a lot about the policies put forward by Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald, but you know that they never would have carried out the sort of personal smear attack Russel Norman is now doing with the Greens”, what part of that makes you think that DPF thinks Muldoon was a great PM?

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  92. Keeping Stock (10,161 comments) says:

    It’s time for the media to actually start asking some hard questions of the Greens. Not all of them are communists, although most have strong leftist leanings.

    The Green’s male co-leader Russel Norman is also far to the left-a former member of the marxist-leninist Australian Democratic Socialist Party, so most Greens were probably unwilling to push public acceptability too far.

    However, while Metiria Turei’s image is not as tarnished as Sue Bradford’s, she is still a serious radical in her own right.

    While Bradford and Norman represent the Green’s dominant socialist wing, Turei comes from the party’s militant anarchist wing.

    Metiria Turei came to activism in the early 1990s, a time of comparatively high unemployment and slow economic growth. After dropping out of Teachers Training College, Turei became active with the Palmerston North Unemployed Rights Centre-part of a nationwide network of similar organizations Te Roopu Rawakore o Aotearoa.

    Virtually all of Te Roopu’s constituent organizations were founded by members of either the pro-Chinese Workers Communist League, the pro-Soviet Socialist Unity Party or the pro-Albanian Communist Party of New Zealand.

    By the early 1990s, most of these organizations were on the decline and radical anarchists became more prominent. Nandor Tanczos was involved in Hamilton’s Te Roopu affiliated Beneficiaries Unemployed movement (BUM), while Christchurch anarchist Gaye Dyson headed the national organization in 1994. Dyson later when on to join the Green Party and served as Metiria Turei’s Parliamentary executive assistant, almost up to her death in 2004.

    In May 1990 Turei led Unemployed Workers’ Centre protests outside local Labour and National Party rooms in Palmerston North over benefit cuts by placing piles of bones on office doorsteps. Other protests involved regularly including occupying Business Roundtable offices in Wellington and in Auckland, camping in merchant banker Michael Fay’s yard and swimming in his pool. In 1992 Meteria Turei became National Co-ordinator of Te Roopu Rawakore.

    The anarchism of the time is little understood. Most think of it as a punk movement involving little more than Mohawk haircuts, safety pins and spray painted anarchy symbols.

    In reality it was a radical leftist political movement, akin to communism, but contemptuous of socialist bureaucracy and hierarchy. Anarchists considered themselves “real” revolutionaries.

    Nandor Tanczos described what anarchism meant to him in a 17th July 1989 article in Waikato University student newspaper Nexus entitled “Anarchism and the Real World“

    The anarchism I agree with most is anarcho-syndicalism (“syndicalism” meaning revolutionary unionism)….

    Anarcho syndicalism, to me, is organised anarchism, libertarian socialism.

    Rather than sit back and wait for “The revolution”…anarcho-syndicalism was born when anarchists got their hands dirty in the day-to-day class war-as agitators, educators and organisors.

    Real change will never occur on the say-so of smiling judges, top-cops or multinational murderers. A free society will only be built on the ruins of class rule and the laws that protect it….

    Anarchism is seen in practice as the most militant and practical section of the working class movement.

    Anarchism is not a game. It’s a movement based on class struggle, against class society, for the liberation of all humanity…

    By 1992 Metiria Turei was at Auckland University doing papers in Anthropology and Maori Studies, before moving on to Law.

    In the 1993 general election, Turei stood for the McGillycuddy Serious Party in the New Lynn electorate. She stood for the McGillicuddy’s again in 1999, after standing at number 4 on the Aoteoroa Legalise Cannabis Party list in 1996.

    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2009/05/green-party-file-9-anarchist-metiria-turei-wins-greens-co-leadership/

    Sadly, the NZ media has such a love affair with the Greens that they are able to see past these things. Metiria Turei has been carefully packaged so as not to scare the horses, but having the likes of her and Norman running the country sends a chill down this blogger’s spine.

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  93. Nostalgia-NZ (4,997 comments) says:

    Reds under the beds is so last century KS. Pick up the pace and get a mohawk.

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  94. Keeping Stock (10,161 comments) says:

    Reds under the beds is so last century KS. Pick up the pace and get a mohawk.

    You obviously haven’t seen my receding hairline Nostalgia :D

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  95. Nostalgia-NZ (4,997 comments) says:

    I thought we might welcome a few passionate trespassers in the swimming pool KS.

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  96. mikenmild (11,233 comments) says:

    You find Trevor Loudon to be a reliable sopurce KS?

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  97. thedavincimode (6,582 comments) says:

    In May 1990 Turei led Unemployed Workers’ Centre protests outside local Labour and National Party rooms in Palmerston North over benefit cuts by placing piles of bones on office doorsteps.

    KFC?

    Other protests involved regularly including occupying Business Roundtable offices in Wellington and in Auckland, camping in merchant banker Michael Fay’s yard and swimming in his pool.

    I couldn’t possibly say it, but I know what we’re all wondering.

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  98. Floyd60 (88 comments) says:

    Nasty? David, you are obviously quite angry about this. Surely the worst that he could be accused of is fomenting happy mischief.

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  99. doggone7 (746 comments) says:

    Johnboy; “The really amazing thing is that 10% of our populace are so fuckin dumb that they vote for a mob led by him?????”

    Hang on a minute more than 40% voted for John Banks!

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  100. coge (179 comments) says:

    Russel hasn’t been the same since his flag was confiscated.

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  101. rouppe (932 comments) says:

    So next time you see John Key smiling, remember he’s not smiling because he likes you, he’s smiling because he’s giving favours to his mates while undermining your democracy.

    Didn't Norman support the Electoral Finance Act? That was one of the most undemocratic things I've ever seen seen in NZ

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  102. V (686 comments) says:

    Russell Norman, ponching around the country calling himself a Dr, when all he did was write a thesis on the Alliance party.
    Yet he troops around trying to foster a fraudulent impression his doctorate gives him some sort of economic credentials … rather like that dr of history michael cullen.

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  103. PTM (45 comments) says:

    And I thought that in his case it was an abbreviation of Debtor!
    Got it wrong I guess.

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  104. Left Right and Centre (2,861 comments) says:

    Both co-leaders are spouting the same slogans in all their media dealings. So it’s a cynical selling exercise. It’s the same message flooding strategy as Burger King. The fact that I use BK as an example is testimony to the fact that their advertising clearly works.

    Who really pulls the strings within political parties though? It’s not as if the GP co-leaders sit down by themselves and nut out what they want to pull nek minute, eh? They have advisors and planners, analysts, spinners… entourage, market testing… it’s a machine. They’re a part of a political machine. Same as the rest. The leaders are only the shop window. Just MCing the whole shibang. They’re merely the reception area front of house staff. The nice friendly more socially acceptable front of house staff. In nice clothes.

    You’ve got to love them- party policy to have one male and one female leader. Why? Why not two male or two female? Why have leaders at all? Why not a leading group? The extreme PC party.

    The ‘why does John Key smile’ campaign. They’ve sure delivered those lines in a wooden box. Geez… it’s so over-rehearsed. Bunch of amateurs.

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