Poor prisoners

June 1st, 2013 at 6:27 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Gang tensions are believed to have sparked the on-going prison riot at Spring Hill jail south of Auckland, where inmates are setting fires and damaging cells.

But who is to blame? It isn’t the gangs. Oh no. According to the , it is the Government. Andrea Vance tweeted:

Greens say double bunking and smoking ban to blame for heightened tensions in .

This would be hilarious, if it were not so tragic. The smoking ban by the way has been in place for two years, and the double bunking for three years.

Yet the Greens have divined they are to blame for the riot!

Nothing to do with the gangs. For gang members are just victims of society, as are those poor prisoners who can’t smoke and have single cells.

Imagine the fun with a Green Minister of Corrections!

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46 Responses to “Poor prisoners”

  1. Dave Stringer (183 comments) says:

    I thought it was their only having standard definition 28 inch TVs in their cells, and having to share a phone!

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  2. duggledog (1,349 comments) says:

    Now I can tell you the Corrections boys will be quietly sorting them out tonight. There will be a few bruises in the morning, but they won’t be on some of the big, big Lomu sized staff that knock around in there.

    No worries.

    Maybe Russell Norman can stop by and help? And possibly John Pratt as well?

    They wouldn’t last two minutes as they are a pair of panty waists.

    And by the way, the riots aren’t because of smoking bans or double bunking, it is because the inmates are fucking rock apes.

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  3. Nostradamus (2,943 comments) says:

    Greens say double bunking … to blame for heightened tensions in prisons.

    But if we take away double bunking, then what happens to inmates’ conjugal rights? :)

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  4. wally (61 comments) says:

    I thought it was because they don’t have the rugby channel.

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  5. Bob (479 comments) says:

    Imagine the fun with Green ministers of anything. If Norman and Turei keep talking the way they did at their conference people will turn off. I suspect their popularity will plummet. I can’t see Labour being happy to join with them but have no choice.

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  6. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Now I can tell you the Corrections boys will be quietly sorting them out tonight.

    Yeah, it’ll be worth every cent of the $million plus payouts.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?ObjectID=3591579

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  7. Harriet (4,513 comments) says:

    “……Greens say double bunking and smoking ban to blame for heightened tensions in prisons….”

    While Auckland want to build seven story apartments and John Key wants to ban smoking – throughout the entire fucken country!

    Following Wussles logic – we’re now facing an IMPENDING FULL SCALE CIVIL WAR! :cool: :cool: :cool:

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  8. OneTrack (2,598 comments) says:

    “Imagine the fun with a Green Minister of Corrections!”

    Yeah, crime wil go through the roof with people clamouring to get it for all the freebies and perks on offer. Only if your skin is brown of course.

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  9. Steve (North Shore) (4,498 comments) says:

    Put the elderly in jail and put the criminals in rest homes

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  10. big bruv (13,271 comments) says:

    It is interesting that the stinking Greens are having their love in behind closed doors. With those bastards it is always what they don’t say that is scary.

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  11. RF (1,270 comments) says:

    Bob. 6.57pm

    All is not lost for the Greens as they had 160 turn up to their conference. Best turn out for years as they usually meet in a phone box. This could mean a land slide victory… not !!!!

    Break out the carrot wine ..

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  12. freemark (441 comments) says:

    “This would be the equivalent of Robert Muldoon in 1978 guaranteeing the profits of tobacco companies for 35 years – we would still have smoking in the workplace.”

    This is from the unwanted Australian’s speech at the Gween Conference.. so is he for or against smoking?

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  13. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,811 comments) says:

    Give Quiche a Chance.

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  14. simo (150 comments) says:

    Hey Russell Mugabe the Chief Green Taliban, his ancestors should know a thing or two about convicts and rioting? If he states publicly such clearly dodgy and unsubstantiated comments about this unrest at Springhill Prison, MSM has to take the blame for printing it without any validation.

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  15. Doug (405 comments) says:

    Must be time to privatise more Prisons.

    Private prison gets a ratings tick.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10873858

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  16. Paul Marsden (986 comments) says:

    Once, I gave the Greens a smidge of credence. Nowadays, they are just a JOKE. What a pathetic, sad bunch of losers.

    The sooner NZ see’s the back of them, the better off we all will be.

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  17. Reid (15,939 comments) says:

    MSM has to take the blame for printing it without any validation.

    Yeah but they won’t, simo. They never have before.

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  18. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    >Greens say double bunking and smoking ban to blame for heightened tensions in prisons.

    I heard that heightened tensions in prisons were a well known effect of global warming or climate change or whatever it is called this year. Nothing that $10billion worth of windmills won’t fix.

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  19. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    I am sure Peter Williams QC will wade in on Monday as well standing up for the poor prisoners, I bet some of them were his clients.
    Should have sent the Army in for an exercise in civil dis-obedience.
    It looks like more guards were injured than inmates, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887827.
    ‘Three Department of Corrections officers and two prisoners have been treated for non life-threatening injuries.’
    I bet the rioters were of European extraction, yeah right.

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  20. Aamy (8 comments) says:

    Perhaps they could relieve the tensions by giving them double beds instead of double bunks? just sayin…

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  21. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    Aamy – under a Green Government this will happen as they will propose compulsory homosexuality to keep population increases under control.

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  22. Aamy (8 comments) says:

    I hear ya Skyblue, and if Metiria Turei gets her way, they’ll be teaching them how to grow cannibas in the prison garden so they can all have those great horticultural skills she’s so fond of. Mind you, I hear smoking dope is good for chilling people out, so there goes your rioting!

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  23. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    stoned and getting arse fucked at the same time. Gee some Queen Street queers will be lining up for a prison sentence.

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  24. Aamy (8 comments) says:

    Now theres an idea – the gov can start charging them for the privilege of going to prison, instead of the taxpayers having to support them!

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  25. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    Maybe tax the Pink dollar. Government needs more tax.

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  26. Honeybadger (150 comments) says:

    Skyblue had the right idea, they should have sent the army in, for ‘civil disobedience’ practice, and if a few should have been hurt, well too bad

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  27. skyblue (197 comments) says:

    Or killed, oh what a shame. A few less rapists and women beaters.

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  28. duggie (20 comments) says:

    Be careful what you wish for skyblue … first they killed the rapists and women beaters, but I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t – you know the rest.

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  29. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Hand-wringing, bleeding-heart, do-gooder Luddites for whom the criminal come first.
    To hell with the victims, the offenders are the ones suffering, appear to be the driving idea of these communists.

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  30. Toa Greening (20 comments) says:

    Springhill is in the Waikato not the “south of Auckland” as reported by the Herald. It really annoys me when media makes these unecessary links to South Auckland.

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  31. Toa Greening (20 comments) says:

    This is what happens in these supersized 5 star prisons. Government is currently building the king of all supersized 5 star mens prison in Wiri South Auckland.

    When the Wiri mens prison was announced in 2010 it was under the illusion that more prisons were required due to capacity. However since then Government realised that prisoner numbers were declining and they actually had enough capacity in the existing prison system for another 30 plus years. So instead of taking the prudent view and cancelling the new build government decided to start closing down the smaller regional prisons as they believed them to be inhumane…..

    What we have is an ideological driven government making up excuses to build supersized 5 star private prisons at any cost. They really do not care.

    Locals fought hard against this prison. We managed to ekkk out a social impacts committee to manage the social impacts of building a prison in an impoverished area like South Auckland. The reports I have read to date paint a gloomy disastrous picture of long term social change for the area. Of course the Correction Department is pretending there are no effects and singing the praises of the economic benefits.

    It is decisions and ideologies like this which continue to create impoverished communities.

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  33. Tookinator (214 comments) says:

    So how come ‘Sheriff Joe’ in the US has no riots in his tent city, where inmates have to wear pink and when he cancelled their “Sky’ subscription it was challenged as being a ‘right’ for the prisoners to have cable tv – so he had it set on the weather channel!

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  34. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    Hj – fascinating doco well worth a watch.

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  35. mumzee72 (8 comments) says:

    Spare a thought for families with loved ones in Spring Hill … I know my partner is minimum security yet we have had no contact since Saturday morning as these idiots get all the phone lines shut down on behalf of prison. And to clarify a few of the know-it-all’s … not everyone in there are gang members or rapist’s, some are in there because they have lost their way and are trying to rehabilitate … Isn’t that what prison is about?
    Maybe for some, you might want the death penalty brought back or maybe just 20 lashings for the brown.
    Try watching “Songs from the Inside” to understand the meaning Rehabilitation …

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  36. Aamy (8 comments) says:

    Well, the do-gooders in society seem to think prison should be where you go to rehabilitate. Personally I think prison is where you go as punishment for the crimes you have committed. It’s not meant to be some cosy warm hideaway where you go to learn how to behave in a civilised society. You already know that but choose to break the law anyway. These guys are adults, they know right from wrong. It’s a place where you are sent to keep you away from society because you have lost your right to be a part of it through your own actions.

    If they can rehabilitate you while you are in there so you don’t re-affend, then good. But the main reason you get sent away is so that the rest of us can feel safe on the outside!

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  37. Honeybadger (150 comments) says:

    Aamy (6) Says:

    June 3rd, 2013 at 8:57 pm
    Well, the do-gooders in society seem to think prison should be where you go to rehabilitate. Personally I think prison is where you go as punishment for the crimes you have committed. It’s not meant to be some cosy warm hideaway where you go to learn how to behave in a civilised society. You already know that but choose to break the law anyway.
    These guys are adults, they know right from wrong. It’s a place where you are sent to keep you away from society because you have lost your right to be a part of it through your own actions.

    Well said Aamy, well said! I dont know if anyone here has seen any of the doco’s on Russian prisons, but they sure know how to treat prisoners. Personally, I think it is about time we stopped pandering to some of these thugs, and treat them in the way they deserve. And Mumzee, do you really think some of these thugs are in there for rehab? Ask the killer who killed twice, two seperate times, jailed two seperate times, do you think he was ‘rehabilitated’? For the very very few, rehabilitation may come about, for most, not….

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  38. mumzee72 (8 comments) says:

    Maybe if you like Russia prisons so much to think they do it right, you should be on the next plane out. Some of these guys haven’t had good role models or even schooling to know the difference between right or wrong. If you took a good look out of your suburban closet you seem to lock yourself in you would see that shit happens in the world and it is cheaper to rehabilitate than throw away the key.
    And you talk about choosing to break the law … Is that what it’s called when someone protects his wife and kids and then jailed for it.
    And I ain’t no do gooder … but if you are one of the “civilized”? Then I hope you don’t go to church coz that would bring shame to God.
    And do you know why it’s called a Correction Facility and not Punishment Prison? It’s to try correct the behavior … I do agree there are thugs in there but not all … and as for the 29 rioters, since they seem to enjoy the warmth of a cozy fire … send then to the beautiful snow capped Facilities in the South Island … far away from the gang connections

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  39. Honeybadger (150 comments) says:

    mumzee72 (2) Says:

    June 3rd, 2013 at 11:54 pm
    ‘Some of these guys haven’t had good role models or even schooling to know the difference between right or wrong.’

    Ahhh, so it isnt their fault mumzee? who can we blame then? you? me? the old chap down the road?
    you really mean when one of them bashed their ‘old lady’, or cooked up some meth, or drove drunk, they didnt know what they were doing was wrong?
    You need to get a grip on reality

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  40. mumzee72 (8 comments) says:

    No Honeybadger you need to get a grip, I said some need to be there but not all … learn to read properly.

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  41. mumzee72 (8 comments) says:

    Maybe you could blame the DICTATING RUSSIANS

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  42. Aamy (8 comments) says:

    They are in prison because of they made bad choices. There are plenty of people out there who have not had good role models yet they manage to live within the law.

    until these guys stop with the victim mentality, always blaming others for their bad choices, and start taking responsibility for themselves and their actions, then they will never be rehabilitated.

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  43. Honeybadger (150 comments) says:

    Thank you AAmy, yes they made bad choices and have no one to blame but themselves. The victim mentality has been done to death. I am guessing we all know people who have not had good role models who have made their own way in the world and have made ‘good’, who did they blame when things just did not go to plan? I bet they sat down and rethought things and got on with it, without breaking the law
    Who do I blame when things dont go right? me! and I get on with it without resorting to criminal activity. Think about it mumzee

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  44. mumzee72 (8 comments) says:

    they aren’t blaming anyone else … asking for a few humanly rights is not shifting blame.
    maybe for u who neva makes mistakes must b good feeling huh

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  45. Aamy (8 comments) says:

    Don’t be silly mumzee72. We all make mistakes – it’s just that for most of us they’re not the kind that get us sent to prison. They’re more like forgetting to get the washing before it rains, stuff like that.

    Besides, I don’t see how you can rob someone by mistake, or beat someone up by mistake, or sell drugs by mistake. Those are not mistakes, they are choices. Bad ones.

    Why are prisoners asking for rights? did they ever consider the rights of the person they offended against? What about our right to feel safe in our homes, or walking down the street?

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  46. Honeybadger (150 comments) says:

    Awww Aamy, I tried to respond to mumzee hours ago, but got caught up doing other ‘stuff’, mind you, you have said everything I was going to say anyway.

    Mumzee, Ive never said Ive never made mistakes, but the ones I made, never led me to prison, and if they had, I would have had no one to blame but myself

    And what human rights are they asking for mumzee? I still think our prisons are too soft…..

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